[05:10] <Kilos> morning all and sundry
[05:33] <barrydk> Good morning everyone
[05:33] <Kilos> hi barrydk 
[05:34] <barrydk> How are you Kilos 
[05:34] <Kilos> cold but good ty and you barrydk ?
[05:35] <barrydk> Good just waiting for the cold
[05:35] <Kilos> ai!
[05:53] <Squirm> morning
[05:53] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[05:53] <barrydk> Hi there
[05:54] <Kilos> arent you joining us for the LPI classes?
[05:54] <Kilos> en julle ook barrydk ?
[05:54] <barrydk> Wat's daai?? 
[05:55] <Kilos> http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/sites/default/files/LPIManual_v_09.pdf
[05:55] <Kilos> ons is op #linux-studies
[05:56] <barrydk> Ish ons (ek) oumense leer maar moeilik.
[05:57] <Kilos> haai man ek nog moeilikker maar ek probeer
[05:58] <Kilos> en as mense dit saam doen kan ander help
[05:58] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[05:58] <mazal> More mense
[06:01] <Kilos> met so n sertifikaat kan jy wereld wyd werk kry
[06:01] <Kilos> en beter salaris vra
[06:25] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday 
[06:25] <maiatoday> hi Kilos
[06:59] <magespawn> good morning all
[07:06] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[07:08] <magespawn> how are things? not very chatty here this morning
[07:09] <Kilos> all seems fine so far
[07:09] <Kilos> hopefully prob was the power supply
[07:09] <Kilos> now gone from a 400w to a 350w psu
[07:10] <magespawn> easy fix, if it is
[07:10] <magespawn> that should not make too much difference
[07:10] <Kilos> lets hope
[07:12] <Kilos> all good by you magespawn ?
[07:14] <magespawn> yup, centOS is running fine on the laptop, internet connected and all
[07:15] <Kilos> cool
[07:39] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:40] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[07:40] <Kilos> you got it right
[07:53] <Kilos> hi aquarat 
[07:53] <aquarat> Herro kilos
[07:54] <aquarat> How you?
[07:54] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[07:54] <Kilos> hey you wanna learn lpi with us
[07:55] <Kilos> join #linux-studies
[07:55] <aquarat> Lpi ?
[07:55] <Kilos> linux pro certificate
[07:55] <Kilos> http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/sites/default/files/LPIManual_v_09.pdf
[07:56] <aquarat> I'm gewd... Sitting at satnac at the moment...
[07:56] <aquarat> Lol
[07:56] <Kilos> satnac?
[07:57] <aquarat> It's a Telkom conference
[07:58] <Kilos> ah
[07:58] <aquarat> That lpi guide seems very useful... But I learnt all of that stuff the hard way
[07:58] <aquarat> The only thing I don't know is regex expressions
[07:58] <aquarat> And I can never remember the keys for vi
[07:58] <Kilos> this way you get a certificate thats recognised world wide
[07:58] <aquarat> So I use nano
[07:59] <Kilos> me too
[07:59] <Kilos> and idle
[07:59] <aquarat> ;)
[07:59] <Kilos> hi n8wulf 
[08:00] <n8wulf> Uncle Kilos
[08:00] <n8wulf> how you doing Master?
[08:00] <aquarat> I generally use nano... And if that isn't available I use a combination of head, tail and >> mods
[08:00] <Kilos> good ty n8wulf and you
[08:01] <Kilos> check out idle aquarat works lekker
[08:01] <n8wulf> good good goooood.... ;D
[08:01] <Kilos> no keys to remember
[08:01] <aquarat> Cool... I will :-) 
[08:01] <Kilos> n8wulf, come study with us
[08:01]  * aquarat opens ssh
[08:01] <Kilos> join #linux-studies
[08:02] <n8wulf> Guys, gotta share... I'm using ElementaryOS and it's running too Sweeet
[08:11] <Kilos> hi psyatw 
[08:13] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[08:13] <Kilos> morning superfly 
[08:14] <Kilos> i wish nuvolari would come on
[08:15]  * Kilos needs some centos info
[08:15] <n8wulf> if any of you guys are in need of a lightning fast setup that still looks amazing, do check out www.elementaryos.org
[08:15] <magespawn> later all
[08:16] <n8wulf> centos... what up there?
[08:16] <Kilos> its to learn the redhat stuff
[08:16] <Kilos> lpi split into redhat and debian stuffs
[08:23] <n8wulf> ah... redhat... grrr
[08:23] <Kilos> lol but good to know if you can help others with probs
[08:24] <Kilos> i like nuvolari uses centos servers
[08:25] <Kilos> n8wulf, how big is the www.elementaryos.org download
[08:25] <Kilos> and then how much to upgrade
[08:27] <n8wulf> it was 700mb for the standard ISO, that does not include Office though
[08:27] <Kilos> i never use office anyway
[08:27] <Kilos> is it debian based
[08:28] <n8wulf> Ubuntu 12.04 based
[08:30] <n8wulf> they wrote a DE from scratch, Pantheon, and then use whatever else is needed to make it .... wait for it.... Legendary
[08:30] <Kilos> ah
[08:30] <Kilos> so 12.04 packages will work
[08:30] <Kilos> i got 7 gig of them
[08:30] <n8wulf> standard yes
[08:31] <Kilos> cool
[08:31] <n8wulf> no funny stuffs... normal apt-get install or dpkg -i
[08:32] <n8wulf> I made a backup of my /apt/cache before removing kde, then jsut ran a dpkg -i *.deb after the 4 minute install was done... Voila, all Apps running perfect again
[08:35] <n8wulf> I've got to run as well, will look into the Linux learning manual a bit as well
[08:35] <n8wulf> thanx for that, will be great to get a certification with proper background
[08:49] <Kilos> cool cheers n8wulf 
[08:54] <Trixar_za> Did the zombie apocolypse start without me knowing? There are a bunch of abandoned cars standing down the road
[09:16] <charl_> good morning
[09:16] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[09:16]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[09:19] <Kilos> hi charl_ 
[09:19] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[09:19] <Maaz> Kilos: Righto
[09:20] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_ and Kilos!
[09:21] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[09:21] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[09:21] <charl_> Maaz: thanks
[09:21] <Maaz> charl_: Okay :-)
[09:21] <charl_> hi Kilos 
[09:51] <mazal> Oom Kilos is idle an editor ?
[09:51] <Kilos> yes
[09:51] <Kilos> its in the repos
[09:51] <mazal> cli ?
[09:52] <Kilos> ya but it opens a window of stuff
[09:52] <mazal> Will check it , I'm a nano guy also
[09:52] <Kilos> idle has a few other functions i dont think nano has
[09:53] <Kilos> you use idle to write stuff
[09:54] <Kilos> IDLE - An Integrated DeveLopment Environment for Python
[09:56] <charl_> very confusing name that
[09:57] <Kilos> lol
[10:02] <inetpro> anyone have an answer for me for an error: Size of a request header field exceeds server limit
[10:02] <inetpro> posted at: http://askubuntu.com/questions/340792/size-of-a-request-header-field-exceeds-server-limit
[10:04] <Kilos> sjoe what you broke now?
[10:33]  * inetpro likes breaking things
[10:53] <mazal> Oom Kilos that idle seems to be a python editor ?
[10:53] <Kilos> yes
[10:54] <mazal> Looks ok , will try and remember it when I need to edit config files again
[10:54] <Kilos> lol
[11:04] <confluency> IDLE is not well-liked, but to each his own. ;)
[11:04] <confluency> It's called a development environment because it's kind of half an IDE.
[11:16] <charl_> inetpro: did you come right?
[11:17] <charl_> sounds like a client issue to me
[11:17] <charl_> hi DeonP 
[11:17] <DeonP> hi charl
[11:19] <charl_> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/998791/if-modified-since-vs-if-none-match
[11:20] <charl_> http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec14.html#sec14.26
[11:20] <charl_> i can't see why that If-None-Match you have there could be so long
[11:21] <charl_> DeonP: did you get that tunneling issue of yours sorted
[11:26] <superfly> ohi.
[11:31] <DeonP> no :( hitting my head against a wall
[11:34] <inetpro> charl_: actually no
[11:35]  * inetpro just received email from the person who reported the issue
[11:35] <inetpro> she says using IE on a PC works perfectly
[11:35] <barrydk> Inetpro what make and model are you using ?
[11:36] <barrydk> router inetpro 
[11:36] <inetpro> barrydk: make and model of what router?
[11:37] <barrydk> are you not using a router to connect to the internet?
[11:37] <inetpro> barrydk: am just trying to determine the relevancy of the question, you mean what I use at home?
[11:38] <barrydk> think so I think you mentioned a good one in last week but i can't remember
[11:38] <inetpro> ahh
[11:38]  * inetpro trying to think
[11:39] <inetpro> I remember talking about it with someone
[11:39] <inetpro> barrydk: I have an old router that works perfectly but if I had to buy something now I would get a later version
[11:40] <barrydk> i think it is a 220 or something but cant remember the make. I' m looking for one . Think you and kilos and me were talking bout it, but we cant remember
[11:40] <inetpro> can't remember now what it was
[11:40] <inetpro> mind is occupied with other challenges
[11:40] <superfly> e220 ?
[11:40] <barrydk> ag no man think 
[11:40] <inetpro> :-)
[11:41] <barrydk> might be superfly 
[11:45] <Kilos> e220 is an usb modem
[11:45] <Kilos> barrydk, look in your browser history
[11:45] <Kilos> im sure you went and looked
[11:46] <charl_> i used to use one of these : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huawei_E220
[11:46] <charl_> is that what you are referring to?
[11:46] <Kilos> and said ya thats what i need
[11:46] <charl_> it's an hsdpa usb modem for those that don't want to click the link
[11:46] <superfly> I had that, or something similar, too
[11:46] <inetpro> if I remember correctly I have the huawei B960 
[11:46] <Kilos> hes looking for a router that can take an external antenna
[11:47] <superfly> Kilos: 3g router or adsl router?
[11:47] <charl_> i can't recall if it had a place to connect an external antenna or not
[11:47] <Kilos> 3g router
[11:47] <charl_> i used some other 3g modems too that do have that
[11:47] <charl_> if you want a 3g _router_ you are looking for something entirely different
[11:48] <charl_> this is a usb "dongle" lol
[11:48] <Kilos> i think he said he needs eth ports too
[11:48] <charl_> no that's something entirely different
[11:48] <mazal> Yep , proper router that works with Telkom mobile
[11:48] <charl_> telkom mobile, wasn't that wifi?
[11:48] <mazal> Ethernet + wi-fi
[11:49] <Kilos> the telkom one didnt have eth if i member right
[11:49] <barrydk> It must be able to work with mtn, vodacom and 8ta. must have a network port or two or three, must be wireless and must be able to take an external antena. 
[11:49] <charl_> oh, you're looking for a 3g-to-wifi bridge like the mifi ? but then with ethernet?
[11:49] <Kilos> ya you getting there
[11:49] <charl_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MiFi
[11:50] <mazal> Must be one that works with any sim , Telkom , Vodacom , MTN etc
[11:50] <charl_> hsdpa is hsdpa and i thought it was illegal to network-lock devices in s. africa
[11:57] <charl_> you're looking for something like this: http://www.zeroshell.org/
[12:00] <charl_> http://zeroshell.org/UMTS-HSDPA-Mobile-Router/
[12:00] <charl_> good stuff
[12:06] <mazal> http://www.billionsa.com/product/3g/BiPAC7800GZ-3G-HSPA-ADSL2-Wireless-VPN-firewall-Router.html
[12:06] <mazal> Something like that
[12:08] <Kilos> i have a billion. kinda serious thing
[12:12] <barrydk> Die klomp ou toppies kan ook niks meer onthou nie
[12:13] <Kilos> hahaha
[12:13] <barrydk> Only joking think most of us got lots on our minds
[12:19] <mazal> Wie's jou ou toppies ?
[12:20] <Kilos> haha
[12:50] <mazal> Bye everyone , enjoy the evening
[12:50] <barrydk> Buy everyone lekker slaap
[13:10] <inetpro> ai!
[14:11] <Kilos> wat ai! jy nou inetpro ?
[14:12] <Kilos> o dis n huur terug
[14:19]  * Kilos was baie besig met n jong ooi wat nie lam wou laat drink nie
[14:21] <Kilos> nou plof kop
[14:25] <inetpro> Kilos: die man wat die ouer gardes so sleg sê
[14:26] <Kilos> hahaha
[14:26] <Kilos> they dont make men like they used to
[15:10] <nuvolari> *cough*
[15:10] <nuvolari> heard my name
[15:10] <nuvolari> lo oom Kilos 
[15:10] <Trixar_za> Oh hai nuvolari
[15:10] <nuvolari> *hint hint*
[15:10] <nuvolari> oh hai Trixar_za 
[15:10] <nuvolari> how are you?
[15:10] <Kilos> lo nuvolari 
[15:11] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za 
[15:15] <Trixar_za> What do you think?: http://user.gigirc.com:81/~brenton/slow_rise.mp3
[15:29] <Kilos> is someone stalking up to a monastory Trixar_za 
[15:38] <Trixar_za> Something like that. I'm trying to hold back and be minimalistic for a potential horror game
[15:38] <Kilos> aha
[15:38] <Trixar_za> I don't actually like horror, but I seem to be stuck on some kind of trip creativity wise
[15:38] <Kilos> good start
[15:39] <Trixar_za> http://imgur.com/gallery/xwjfmVa
[15:55] <WOLFEYES> hey there everyone
[15:55] <Trixar_za> Hi WOLFEYES
[15:55] <WOLFEYES> heya Trixar_za 
[15:56] <Kilos> hi WOLFEYES 
[15:58] <WOLFEYES> hey Dad. :-)
[16:10] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[16:10] <nlsthzn> uncle Kilos , alo :)
[16:10] <Kilos> how can one make kde search for additional drivers from cli??
[16:10] <Kilos> ian battling
[16:10] <Kilos> did upgrade and bottom panel gone
[16:11] <Kilos> where are the kde peeps when i need them
[16:11] <nlsthzn> so additional drivers needed or the bottom panel to come back?
[16:11] <Kilos> i dunno
[16:11] <Kilos> bottom panel would be good
[16:12]  * nlsthzn doesn't know what additional drivers would help to get the bottom panel back :p
[16:12] <WOLFEYES> ha ha ha ha
[16:12] <Kilos> im groping nlsthzn 
[16:13] <Kilos> thought the upgrade dont see the amb video
[16:13] <nlsthzn> well I have a hit from Google ;)
[16:14] <Trixar_za> Oo
[16:14] <Kilos> this is with 12.04 onna lappy
[16:14] <Trixar_za> Kilos is groping nlsthzn? Oo
[16:14] <nlsthzn> eeek
[16:14] <nlsthzn> oO
[16:17] <Kilos> WOLFEYES, wb
[16:18] <WOLFEYES> mummbles
[16:18] <nlsthzn> WOLFEYES, reminds me of that song...
[16:18] <nlsthzn> "Hungry Eyes"
[16:18] <nlsthzn> :p
[16:21] <WOLFEYES> lol
[16:22] <WOLFEYES> WOLFEYES, has hungry eyes lol 
[16:22] <nlsthzn> :)
[16:48] <nuvolari> eek, got sidetracked with production trouble
[16:48] <Kilos> ai!
[16:48] <nuvolari> did you get my mail oom Kilos ?
[16:49] <Kilos> yes ty nuvolari was just reading it
[16:49] <Kilos> cant i use it as is because we might need to install a coupla times
[17:23] <nuvolari> Kilos: how do you mean oom?
[17:23] <Kilos> if i mess up with the testing and commands i might crash it and need to install again
[17:24] <Kilos> we just using it to do the LPI studies
[17:25] <Kilos> is it still upgrading?
[17:29] <Kilos> hi psychicist 
[17:33] <psychicist> hi Kilos 
[17:47] <Kilos> going to kde, will be back
[17:56] <magespawn> good evening
[17:58] <Kilos> hi magespawn still trying to sort ians missing kde panel
[17:59] <magespawn> did he just remove it?
[18:00] <Kilos> he did an upgrade and its gone
[18:00] <Kilos> i dunno if he removed it by accident
[18:01] <magespawn> does he know how to add panels?
[18:01] <Kilos> ive just told him
[18:01] <Kilos> right click add panel default
[18:01] <Kilos> but he is struggling to find things
[18:02] <magespawn> yup then add the launchers and such that you need
[18:02] <Kilos> somehow he got konsole going with unity command
[18:02] <magespawn> yes it is little different than gnome or unity
[18:03] <Kilos> but with no panel i dont know how he finds xchat and konsole and stuff
[18:03] <Kilos> so very slow to reply
[18:04] <Kilos> i think he is using a hammer to open stuff
[18:04] <magespawn> alt-f2 brings up a run box, i think, that you can type commands into
[18:12] <Kilos> he dont have krusader installed
[18:13] <magespawn> sounds like something  went a bit wrong with that install/upgrade
[18:14] <Kilos> yeah
[18:16] <magespawn> i am out of the shop again tomorrow but for pc work this time
[18:17] <magespawn> and not so much driving either
[18:18]  * magespawn heads over to #linux-studies quickly
[18:21] <Kilos> ai!
[20:03] <Kilos> i go sleep and listen for if ian comes back online
[20:03] <Kilos> night all sleep tight
[20:06] <magespawn> good night all