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zequence-workI don't have a desktop client at home right now07:36
cubhi zequence-work, so you think you got the job? =)07:44
zequence-workcub: Yep07:53
zequence-workHaven't signed papers yet07:54
zequence-workso, not shouting hi just yet07:54
zequence-workhoping I'll begin on monday already07:54
cubcool08:01
cubdo you know what you'll be doing?08:01
smartboyhwcub, can you zsync the i386 images of the daily? We are starting Beta 1 testing08:05
cubhmm I'm getting a libreoffice bug that from what I gather should have been fixed in 4.1.0 and we ship 4.1.108:05
* smartboyhw will do the amd6408:05
astraljavazequence-work: Nice, and thanks for the linkedin invitation. Pulling for ya. :)08:05
smartboyhwcub, report bug in Launchpad?08:05
smartboyhwastraljava, hello:)08:05
astraljavaHi smartboyhw!08:05
smartboyhwastraljava, I do have a connection with ya on LinkedIn right?08:05
cubAm I reading this wrong? https://bugs.launchpad.net/df-libreoffice/+bug/1206107 at then end it says a new release has been done. But I get the same error running 4.1.108:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1206107 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "LibreOffice should build against system lpsolve" [High,Fix released]08:06
smartboyhwcub, -.-08:06
smartboyhwcub, I recommend you to open a new bug08:06
cubsmartboyhw, yes maybe or should I not comment on the one that's already there?08:06
smartboyhwcub, then you will have to change the status back to New08:07
astraljavasmartboyhw: Yes I believe we do.08:07
smartboyhwzequence-work: Good job on adding a new job in your LinkedIn profile:P08:07
smartboyhwHmm, got a problem, zsync can't recognize the file08:18
smartboyhwPermission denied!?08:19
* smartboyhw can't believe he zsynced the image with sudo, for the god's sake08:19
smartboyhwSigh, have to zsync the image AGAIN08:20
cubhaha08:27
knomechmod?08:30
knome(or chown)08:30
cubclown?08:31
knome<- here08:32
* smartboyhw has to send out the test announcement and make the release notes08:33
cubsmartboyhw, zsyncing i386 now08:39
smartboyhwcub, great08:39
smartboyhwzequence-work, OvenWerk1, cub uh hum do we want upgrade testcases again?08:41
smartboyhwAnd BTW, what new things do we include in this cycle?08:42
smartboyhw(Except the Ubuntu Studio stuff itself)08:43
smartboyhwzequence-work: Please push the testing call to G+ and social mediae08:44
smartboyhwAnd do we seriously recommend it?08:48
smartboyhw(I mean, the upgrade)08:48
cubhow do you mean smartboyhw ? If we won't recommend the upgrade we should it release IMO.08:50
smartboyhwcub, can you rephrase the second sentence?08:51
smartboyhwcub, the upgrade process from 12.10 -> 13.04 is so terrible, we don't recommend it at all08:51
cubAh yes, but an upgrade from 13.04 to 13.10 should be recommended, right?08:52
knomehow is it terrible?08:52
smartboyhwknome, I forgotten, but just doesn't work08:52
smartboyhwcub, we did not test it08:52
knomewell done.08:52
smartboyhwIndeed, I cleared out the testcases08:52
cubOtherwise it's just stupid to do a 13.10 release. "Yes, we have made a new release but we don't recommend anyone to use it" :D08:52
knomethe upgrade tests for 13.10 mean upgrades from 13.04 to 13.1008:53
cubbut I suppose you mean that we recommend a clean installation?08:53
smartboyhwcub, yes08:53
smartboyhwWell, I think we can re-enable it08:53
knomeeven if 12.10 to 13.04 was terrible, i'd suppose many people are on 13.0408:53
knomeif you are forcing a clean installation every time, i'd consider releasing once every year 08:53
* smartboyhw figures out a way to re-enable upgrades08:53
* cub notice his spelling error from before making the sentence very confusing08:54
smartboyhwcub, upgrade test enable08:55
smartboyhw*enabled08:55
smartboyhwWe didn't test that before, so we need help:P08:55
knomethe upgrade tests are a no-brainer, they just tend to take quite a lot of time since you first need to install 13.0408:55
knomeif you are running the upgrade tests on virtualbox, and have the extra space, i'd create some snapshots of 13.04 system so you can get back to the 13.04 state, then repeat the tests with beta 2 and final tests08:56
cubUnless you have vanilla 13.04 in Vbox? Or should the tests be run on a "real" installation as well?08:56
=== smartboyhw changed the topic of #ubuntustudio-devel to: Ubuntu Studio Development Channel | https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio | find Ubuntu Studio stable Releases at https://ubuntustudio.org/download/ | latest current ISO http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/dvd/current/ | Please test 13.10 Beta 1 and especially the upgrade test
cubsame thought knome :d08:57
knomecub, as usually, real hardware is good, but even vbox helps08:57
* knome gets something to eat and drink, will be back soonish08:57
zequence-workThe upgrade messes up some user settings, from 12.10 to 13.0409:00
zequence-workWe need to test upgrading from 13.04 to 13.10 to see if there are similar problems09:00
zequence-workcub: I'll be responsible of their linux machines09:01
zequence-workamong other thing :)09:01
zequence-workfor*09:01
smartboyhwzequence-work: BTW you got the new job right?09:01
zequence-worksmartboyhw: Haven't signed a contract yet, but it seems very likely that I'll get it09:01
smartboyhwzequence-work, great:)09:02
smartboyhwPhew, the images does download very fast:P09:02
smartboyhwWe can finish the image testing by today I think09:02
smartboyhwLeaving room for upgrade tests tmr and Thursday09:02
smartboyhwFor the first time ever, I think we are doing the testing efficently09:03
zequence-workastraljava: Thanks! :)09:07
smartboyhwzequence-work: Are you going to participate in your city's Software Freedom Day event this year?09:08
* smartboyhw is, and going to promote Ubuntu:P09:09
smartboyhwFor a sneak peek, look https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/Beta1/UbuntuStudio (and ignore the upgrade stuff plz)09:18
* smartboyhw just hopes that madeinkobaia can give them some artwork in time09:22
cubsmartboyhw, I won't be able to run any tests until earliest on Friday.:/09:41
smartboyhwcub, why!?09:42
cubI'm very busy at work.09:42
smartboyhwcub, hmm09:42
smartboyhwThat WILL be a problem for our testing:P09:43
smartboyhwcub, can you do the i386 image testing at least?09:43
cubwell I have my our of commute every day, but that's it.09:43
smartboyhw-.-09:43
cubI can't commit to anything this week, no. In case I would fail to keep the deadlines09:43
smartboyhwNow my testing schedule has become completely wrong09:43
cuband I sort of need to keep my job. ;)09:44
smartboyhwzequence-work: I'm proposing to delay the upgrade testing to Beta 2 then09:44
smartboyhwIf we can't get any testing at Thurs09:44
cubIs there a schedule where I'm scheduled in? In that case I would like to see it09:44
smartboyhwcub, no09:44
smartboyhwJust that I was expecting you to test the i386 image:P09:45
cubI might be able, I just can't promise anything at the moment.09:45
cubso I will pitch in whenever I can.09:45
smartboyhwDarkEra, hey, can you help do some i386 image testing?09:53
DarkErasmartboyhw, i would if i had the time. trying to finish a room and then we're off for a holiday09:56
smartboyhwDarkEra, OUCH09:57
* smartboyhw is under-manned this time09:57
DarkEraalso the testing would be hard on this crappy netbook09:57
cubDarkEra, what are you running?09:59
DarkEracub, desktop wise?09:59
cubno the netbook?10:00
cubI use an eee pc 900 most of the time10:00
DarkErait's a older one i have, acer aspire one 150 ZG510:00
DarkErai tested the previous release on it but it was a pain to work on10:01
cub:/10:01
cubseems to be similar to mine10:01
DarkErayep10:02
zequence-worksmartboyhw: Sure. We can wait with the upgrade test10:07
smartboyhwzequence-work, OK10:07
zequence-worksvt.se10:09
zequence-workopps10:09
cub?10:09
knomehehe10:09
cubIt could have been a far worse url10:10
knomelet's not talk about that10:10
smartboyhwzequence-work: xnox posted an email that asks flavours to recommend 64-bit images over 32-bit. Should we do that?10:17
smartboyhwThat will be in effect since 13.10 he said10:17
knomesmartboyhw, that's not what he said10:21
smartboyhwknome, didn't he?10:21
smartboyhwSimilarly I'd like to ask all other flavours to carefully asses their10:21
smartboyhwdemographic and target audience and potentially also adapt similar10:21
smartboyhwmessaging strategy on their flavour websites to promote 64-bit images10:21
smartboyhwby default.10:21
knome"to carefully asses ... and *potentially* also adapt similar messaging strategy"10:22
knomehe's just saying "ubuntu does this, you might want to do it as well"10:23
smartboyhwknome, that's an suggestion isn't it?!10:23
knomenot really.10:23
smartboyhwknome, OK, I thought it is10:23
knomehe's just asking for flavors to consider if this is the sensible thing for them to do as well10:23
smartboyhwStill, I would recommend this for Studi10:23
smartboyhw*Studio10:23
knomesure, that's up for studio to consider :)10:23
knomebut there is no obligation to do so10:24
smartboyhwknome, of course10:24
cubdoesn't that come down to how much RAM you have in the computer and wether you like to run VSTs or not?10:24
smartboyhwWell, I thought that when we mean "ask" we mean not strictly obligating10:24
cubI know you can run 32 bit stuff in 64 bit, but maybe not for the average user.10:24
cubFrom what I have gathered many of the users on the forums and such "just want to boot and record". Not fiddle around with getting stuff to run.10:25
smartboyhwcub, getting stuff to run is the same in 32-bit and 64-bit -.-10:26
cubI'm not so sure.10:26
knomethere might have been installation or such problems with 64-bit maybe 5 years ago10:26
knomewith flash and such10:26
smartboyhwknome, 5 years ago?!10:26
knomefew years back? nah, i never bumped into anything that is 32/64-bit related10:26
knomesmartboyhw, yes, 5 years ago.10:27
smartboyhwknome, I don't think that's still happen now10:27
knomei'm just saying that the argument "i just want to install stuff and not fiddle with it" is not a valid argument for 32/64-bit image choice10:27
cubsmartboyhw, to get wine and whatnot you need to make VSTs run in 64-bit Ubuntu Studio, from what I've seen in the forums (haven't tried it myself) it seems a bit tricky. Something I could plunge down into when starting to look through the workflows.10:27
knomeme neither; as i said, i haven't seen stuff like that in years10:27
cubknome, it might be? If we were to recommend one over the other it might be handy to have som guidelines. Like "If you want to run VSTs without a hassle, install 32 bit." for instance10:28
knomei don't know about VSTs, but if they are problematic on 64-bit installations, you should definitely look at those problems before 14.04 release10:29
cubyeah, I would have to good tests done on that before feeling comfortable to recommend something above another.10:30
smartboyhwSure10:30
cubthough, my personal recommendation is to not use VST. :D10:30
knomeultimately, if no-one ever uses VSTs on 64-bit, it's hardly going to be fixed10:31
smartboyhwzequence-work: When are you gonna send the T-shirt to me?:P12:13
zequence-worksmartboyhw: Sometime by the end of the month12:23
smartboyhwzequence-work, ouch, I want that before the 21st for the Software Freedom Day:P12:26
zequence-worksmartboyhw: Sorry. No can do :(12:29
smartboyhwzequence-work, :(12:36
smartboyhwAnyway12:36
* smartboyhw tests the amd64 image12:39
OvenWerk1smartboyhw: I will try to fit in another 32bit test14:07
smartboyhwOvenWerk1, thank goodness:)14:07
OvenWerk1are we testing daillies running upo to B1, or is respin stopped already?14:08
smartboyhwOvenWerk1, stopped14:08
OvenWerk1good14:08
smartboyhwThe newest daily is the pre-Beta 1 iamge and will NOT be respun unless absolutely necessary.14:08
OvenWerk1The other issue I had with upgrade was that the generic kernel showed up.14:09
smartboyhwHeh, Virtualbox sound is great:P14:09
OvenWerk1this is less of a problem now that we have made lowlatency always default.14:10
smartboyhwOvenWerk1, that will be a kernel issue (which happens in i386 only)14:11
smartboyhwzequence-work will hopefully fix that14:12
OvenWerk1knome: 32bit vs: 64bit: The problem we have with 64bit is that it will not include any 32bit only sw in an iso even though it is generally a possibility to install that sw afterwards.14:13
smartboyhwamd64 passed greatly14:13
* smartboyhw marks it ready14:13
smartboyhwI didn't expect I can test the post-installation in Virtualbox, but it worked!14:14
OvenWerk1knome: the main point in this is with people starting to use linux in their studio after using windows and having an expensive collection of VSTs they want to use.14:14
OvenWerk1wine is still  32bit stuff.14:15
smartboyhwThe biggest problem is Wine:(14:16
OvenWerk1The biggest problem is windows.14:16
smartboyhwOvenWerk1, agreed +114:17
OvenWerk1and perhaps I should say windows sw. to be specific development practices. From dos times developers have felt it is acceptable to go around the os and use tricks to get a feature that the os doesn't support natively.14:24
OvenWerk1These things are invisible to the user.14:24
smartboyhwOvenWerk1, after you do the i386 image test see if there's any time to do an i386 upgrade test from 13.04 => 13.1014:27
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