[02:42] <xubuntu569> My dvd drive that used to burn dvd-r's just fine will no longer recognize a blank dvd-r. Can anyone help me? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
[02:58] <w30> xubuntu569, you are going to have fun unless you can figure out what changed.
[02:59] <w30> xubuntu569, does the dvd drive work ok for reading data dvd's and for playing videos and songs.
[03:00] <xubuntu569> I'm sure I will. I've already spent alot of time on the googles but no luck so far. Yes the drive does work for reading DVD's.
[03:00] <w30> you have only one cd/dvd drive?
[03:01] <xubuntu569> This is correct. Only 1 dvd/cd drive.
[03:02] <nagev> forgive me for asking obvious, have you tried a different blank disk?
[03:02] <w30> xubuntu569, does it work with a live xubuntu cd boot?
[03:05] <xubuntu569> nagev, I have tried a different blank disk of the same type. w30, I have used a live cd before, not recently though.
[03:06] <w30> Does anyone know if xubuntu live cd can run entirely in memory so the cd drive is freed up for usage?
[03:07] <w30> I don't remember if that is an option?
[03:07] <Unit193> w30: When booting off the live CD, there will be a little icon at the bottom, hit left shift.  At the next menu, hit F6 then Esc, and type toram
[03:07] <Unit193> (Type toram into the input box at the bottom, that is.)
[03:09] <w30> xubuntu569, try what Unit193 says and see if the dvd drive recognizes a blank dvd with a live xubuntu boot.
[03:10] <xubuntu569> Ok. If it does work what does that mean? Should I do a reinstall then?
[03:11] <crytown> For the past month my update manager has been frozen. It says i have 7 new updates but they won't install and theres no description or filesize for them. My update manager icon is red. Is there a way to repair this?
[03:12] <w30> xubuntu569, maybe you can boot an old kernel if you have any and see if you are a victim of a kernel change.
[03:12] <crytown> i have no idea how to do that i hope thats not the issue. only thing i remember chnaging was updating xfce so i can have dual monitor support
[03:13] <crytown> and that wasnt a stable release but has been working
[03:15] <xubuntu569> crytown, I think that was meant for me. w30 so if an older kernel works I would just have to run an older kernel then huh?
[03:15] <w30> xubuntu569, not necessarily if it works check your device names, drivers, maybe?
[03:15] <Unit193> crytown: Could always update via terminal,  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgradae
[03:15] <Unit193> (But spell that last part right.)
[03:17] <w30> xubuntu569, at least it would eliminate a hardware issue
[03:19] <xubuntu569> w30, ok. I will try that. Thanks for your help.
[03:20] <w30> xubuntu569, you need the right permissions to use the cd/dvd. Those shouldn't change on their own though.
[03:21] <w30> xubuntu569, you could always run your burner app as gksu sfburn or whatever.
[03:21] <xubuntu569> w30, yeah that's one of the things I found on google. It still doesn't work with sudo or gksudo though.
[03:22] <w30> xubuntu569, hmmmmnn...
[03:28] <xubuntu569> w30, Well I will try the live-cd and kernel things you mentioned. I appreciate your help. Thanks.
[03:29] <crytown> sorry i forgot i had this open i think i tried it through terminal with no luck will try again and report back. thanks
[03:32] <crytown> working so far
[10:59] <lnostdal> hi,      "xubuntu-desktop : Depends: software-center but it is not going to be installed" ...   guys; no; the xubuntu desktop does not "depend on" software-center .. ..
[11:00] <knome> lnostdal, yes it does.
[11:00] <lnostdal> why always depend depend ..   just recommend ..      recommended dependencies are installed by default
[11:00] <lnostdal> no it doesn't
[11:00] <knome> that's not how the seeds are built
[11:00] <knome> lnostdal, xubuntu-desktop is a metapackage; feel free to remove it
[11:01] <lnostdal> the what? ..     no; meta-packages are useful – but less so when they are not flexible
[11:01] <lnostdal> anyway ..   i've said what i wanted to say ..  EOD .... tooodles
[11:48] <xubuntu149> Hi to everybody
[11:48] <knome> hello.
[11:48] <xubuntu149> Can anybody help me how to add russian layout in xubuntu
[11:50] <xubuntu149> I need 2 keyboard languages rus and eng
[11:50] <xubuntu149> I can't find how to add
[11:51] <lderan> you might be after xfce4-xkb-plugin
[11:51] <lderan> if its not installed already, then you can install it with 'sudo apt-get install xfce4-xkb-plugin'
[11:52] <xubuntu149> installed latest ver
[11:53] <xubuntu149> maybe this will help I made migration from Ubuntu to Xubuntu
[11:54] <xubuntu149> Ubuntu I removed
[11:54] <xubuntu149> by terminal command
[11:55] <xubuntu149> in Ubuntu was no problem to add russian layout but in Xubuntu I can't find where I can do this
[11:56] <lderan> think it adds a little flag symbol to the panel, you might have to add it manually. Sorry I can't be of much help at the moment
[11:57] <lderan> do you know how to add stuff to the panels?
[12:01] <xubuntu149> This little flag I have at logon screen there I can see 2 input languages but when I login in to my desktop there is no this one
[12:02] <xubuntu149> I found Thnx
[12:02] <xubuntu149> I added
[12:03] <xubuntu149> now need only setup hotkeys to change language now is only changing by clicking of mouse on it
[12:07] <xubuntu149> After windows it's little bit difficult to understand everythig in xubuntu :)
[12:11] <xubuntu149> solved
[12:12] <xubuntu149>  <lderan> Thnx
[12:12] <lderan> woo \o/
[15:08] <Sakrecoer> Hi! I have set up a netboot using bootp and tftpd-hda. I cannot get the target machine out on internet yet, hence i have set up an apache that serves a mounted version of xubuntu-12.04.3-alternate-i386.iso ... Once the target has identified the custom mirror, i get a message telling me there is a missmatch between the version of the netboot and the cdimage.... any one knows what version i need? My machine supportes PAE
[15:09] <Sakrecoer> the missmatch, allows me to install the system, but without a function kernel...
[15:10] <Sakrecoer> sorry *without a functioning kernel*
[15:12] <Sakrecoer> no matter howmui can't find a 12.04.2 version... nor 12.04
[15:12] <Sakrecoer> *how much
[15:13] <Sakrecoer> * i search
[15:13] <Sakrecoer> hehe.... man.. i type iznogood today...
[15:15] <GridCube> Sakrecoer, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/
[15:16] <Sakrecoer> i have actualy tried with a 12.04.2 i still had.. it gave me the same error...
[15:16] <GridCube> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/xubuntu/releases/
[15:17] <Sakrecoer> hmm.... is it sort of mandatory to use the mini.iso for netbooting with xubuntu 12.04?
[15:17] <GridCube> pretty much yes
[15:19] <Hund> I missed Xubuntu <3 http://fav.me/d6kvja4
[15:19] <Sakrecoer> hehe.... bad moment to ask a question :)
[15:21] <Sakrecoer> yeah.. all those links lead to 12.04.3 ..
[15:21] <Sakrecoer> thanks!
[15:21] <Sakrecoer> :)
[15:21] <Sakrecoer> maybe oh there!! old-release
[15:22] <Sakrecoer> so... having tried with 12.04.3 and 12.04.2, i'm guessing it should be 12.04, unless the issue is something else... :)
[15:22] <Sakrecoer> i'll let you know how it went!
[15:22] <GridCube> Hund, :D submit it to xubuntu-showcase.deviantart.com :D
[15:23] <GridCube> if you change your image licence to CC and you have a wallpaper under CC we can showcase it on the xubuntu.org website, Hund :D
[15:36] <xJamie> hey guys.
[15:36] <xJamie> Is lxnm worth using or should I use a different one?
[16:29] <Sakrecoer> GridCube: earlier you said: "pretty much yes"... but i didn't get if it was "yes, the mini.iso is mandatory for netboot" or "yes its a bad moment to ask questions" :D
[16:29] <Sakrecoer> the folder structure is so confusing for the netboot packages...
[16:30] <Sakrecoer> i've tried all xubuntu 12.04.x iso... all of them missmatch the netboot's kernel expectations...
[16:32] <Sakrecoer> oh...
[16:32] <Sakrecoer> well...
[16:32] <GridCube> Sakrecoer, i meant that i dont know how else you could install from a netboot except from an alternate iso, and as xubuntu doesnt have any alternate iso anymore
[16:33] <Sakrecoer> i picked wrong arichtecture last one...
[16:33] <GridCube> Sakrecoer, you can't get the iso to the machine? boot from usb?
[16:33] <Sakrecoer> i give it another try...
[17:10] <Sakrecoer> slowly losing hope...
[17:10] <Sakrecoer> now i have tried all versions 12.04.x and none match the netboot... :(
[17:11] <Sysi> try the original one, before point releases?
[17:11] <Sakrecoer> i've used this howto: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LocalNet and everything, except the kernel version missmatch is working... i just don't get it...
[17:14] <Sakrecoer> i've been looking into using the mini.iso .. but the howto is really obscure...
[17:15] <Sakrecoer> na well.... judging the silence here today i guess it was ment for me to travel alone on this steep road to computerjoy! :D
[17:16] <elfy> Sakrecoer: try this for the mini iso http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/minimal
[17:19] <phantomfav> hi guys, i have a little problem with nautilus, can someone help me?
[17:20] <elfy> you can ask - but many of us will be using thunar as this is xubuntu channel
[17:20] <phantomfav> yes, but i really hate thunar and xfdisplay
[17:21] <phantomfav> so i have decided to install nautilus
[17:21] <phantomfav> the file manager works great
[17:21] <elfy> !aask
[17:21] <elfy> !aask
[17:21] <elfy> !ask
[17:21] <elfy> lol
[17:22] <phantomfav> the desktop manager (lanuched with "nautilus -n") doesn't start
[17:22] <phantomfav> any idea?
[17:23] <phantomfav> i have killed all the process bind to xfdisplay
[17:24] <phantomfav> so now no process manage the desktop
[17:24] <phantomfav> but if i do "nautilus -n" it doesn't start
[17:25] <Sysi> with xfdisplay, do you mean xfdesktop?
[17:25] <phantomfav> yes, i mistake the name
[17:25] <Sysi> you need to remove it from session with session settings, killing it makes it respawn
[17:25] <phantomfav> yes i already do that
[17:26] <phantomfav> i remove it from the session
[17:26] <phantomfav> and saved the actual session
[17:27] <phantomfav> now in my session there are: xfwm4, xfce4-panel, xfsettingsd, xfce4-terminal
[17:27] <phantomfav> but not xfdesktop nor nautilus
[17:33] <phantomfav> This is my question: i have installed nautilus in xubuntu, the file manager works great, but the desktop manager doesn't starts ("nautilus -n") even if i have closed the process xfdesktop in the session, anyone know how to force start nautilus for the desktop?
[17:49] <brainwash> phantomfav: does "nautilus -n" terminate immediately when executed in a terminal window?
[17:50] <brainwash> and does a right-click on the desktop pop up any menu?
[17:51] <yeyeman> Is there a way to fix the tearing?
[17:51] <phantomfav> nautilus terminate after few second
[17:51] <phantomfav> and right click doesn't show up anything
[17:51] <yeyeman> while watching video there's tearing in the middle of the screen
[17:54] <brainwash> yeyeman: use a window manager with opengl compositing or a separate compositor (like compton), maybe it's even possible to activate some sort of "tear free" (gpu driver specific)
[17:55] <brainwash> phantomfav: looks like some issue with nautilus, so this isn't the right channel I guess, try asking in #ubuntu
[17:56] <phantomfav> ok, thanks
[17:57] <brainwash> yeyeman: some sort of "tear free" mode I mean, something the intel driver offers for example
[18:14] <Sysi> disabling compositing from window manager tweaks works
[18:16] <pmjdebruijn> btqw
[18:16] <pmjdebruijn> btw
[18:16] <pmjdebruijn> I have a newer Intel driver backported here https://launchpad.net/~pmjdebruijn/+archive/xserver-xorg-video-intel-testing
[18:16] <pmjdebruijn> use at own risk though
[18:16] <pitlaloose> hi
[18:17] <pmjdebruijn> lo
[18:19] <pitlaloose> i'm looking for some help :) because i'm getting stuck while installing.
[18:19] <pitlaloose> Can someone help me please ?
[18:19] <Sakrecoer> anybody has experience in installing xubuntu alternate with netboot?
[18:20] <pmjdebruijn> please describe your problem with some details, if somebody knows, they'll respond... keep in mind not body keeps an eye on the channel at all times, so please be patient
[18:20] <Sakrecoer> pitaloose: perhaps i can. what is going on?
[18:20] <pmjdebruijn> Sakrecoer: for netboo you're probably stuck with the ubuntu server install, and apting xubuntu-desktop afterwards
[18:21] <Sakrecoer> pmjdebruijn: server up and running...
[18:21] <pmjdebruijn> I meant on the client
[18:21] <Sakrecoer> i have issue with a missmatch between kernel of xubuntu12.04.x.iso and kernel of netboot
[18:21] <pmjdebruijn> since netinstall depends on the debian-installer which last I checked was only available on the server install
[18:21] <Sakrecoer> aaaah
[18:21] <Sakrecoer> now i see what you meen...
[18:21] <pmjdebruijn> emphasis on last time I checked
[18:22] <pmjdebruijn> 12.04.2 has the quantal 3.5 kernel backported and 12.04.3 has the raring 3.8 kernel backported
[18:22] <Sakrecoer> it sure dose boot after install, but like you say in server mode...
[18:22] <pmjdebruijn> 12.0.4.1 was the last to _SHIP_ with the original 3.2 series
[18:22] <pmjdebruijn> IIRC
[18:23] <pmjdebruijn> Sakrecoer: that's totally expected
[18:23] <Sakrecoer> so..... are you suggesting that the kernel is there, but i only miss the dektop?
[18:23] <pmjdebruijn> huh?
[18:23] <pmjdebruijn> no?
[18:23] <pmjdebruijn> there is no real difference between server and client on linux
[18:23] <yeyeman> hmm!!
[18:24] <pmjdebruijn> it's just having X11 or not
[18:24] <pmjdebruijn> so it's just a package selection thing essentially
[18:24] <pmjdebruijn> http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/xubuntu-desktop
[18:24] <pmjdebruijn> any particular reason why you want to netinstall a desktop in the first place?
[18:26] <pmjdebruijn> pitlaloose: if you don't describe your problem there really isn't any way we can help you
[18:26] <pmjdebruijn> we're not psychic
[18:26] <pitlaloose> thank you. i'm installing from an iso on my hard drive(/dev/sda3), got the desktop after using grub cli, running well. I launch the installer, go through it
[18:26] <pmjdebruijn> :)
[18:26] <pmjdebruijn> wait
[18:26] <pitlaloose> lol, i' slow sorry
[18:26] <pmjdebruijn> "an iso on your harddrive"?
[18:27] <pmjdebruijn> please describe that in a bite more detail
[18:27] <pmjdebruijn> what did you do exactly
[18:27] <pitlaloose> yep i can't use disk on this machine
[18:28] <pmjdebruijn> you installed from a CD to an USB disk?
[18:28] <pmjdebruijn> or what?
[18:28] <pmjdebruijn> again please describe with more detail
[18:29] <Sakrecoer> hmm.... i'm lagging like i'm on mars...
[18:29] <pitlaloose> so i had formatted my drive in 3 (swap, part for xubuntu and a fat to store my iso copied there on another machine
[18:29] <pmjdebruijn> ok, that's very atypical
[18:30] <pmjdebruijn> but I think I'm there with you
[18:30] <pitlaloose> as i had another drive with grub, i managed to boot this iso
[18:30] <pmjdebruijn> ok
[18:30] <pmjdebruijn> and on the desktop you run the installer...
[18:30] <pitlaloose> exactly
[18:30] <pmjdebruijn> and then...
[18:31] <pitlaloose> but then in the end
[18:31] <pitlaloose> it says "detecting file systems"
[18:31] <pmjdebruijn> in the installer?
[18:31] <pitlaloose> and hang on it for hours
[18:31] <pmjdebruijn> well, it's not really been designed for the case you're working with it
[18:31] <pitlaloose> yep at the end of the process
[18:32] <pmjdebruijn> so I'm not really surprised you might have hit a bug there
[18:32] <pmjdebruijn> any reason why not to install the live-iso to a USB drive, and do an install the regular way?
[18:32] <pitlaloose> usb won't work on thismobo
[18:32] <bazhang> booting an iso via grub to use the installer?
[18:33] <pitlaloose> *usb bootable stick
[18:33] <pmjdebruijn> and installing to the same disk you've booted off
[18:33] <Sakrecoer> haha... days like that... when no robots want to execute and all connections are lagging ... :D
[18:33] <bazhang> yeah, that wont work
[18:33] <pmjdebruijn> pitlaloose: how old is it?
[18:33] <pitlaloose> that's it
[18:33] <Sakrecoer> now i got your answers pmjdebruijn
[18:33] <Sakrecoer> thanks a million.
[18:33] <pitlaloose> 7-8 year
[18:33] <pmjdebruijn> pitlaloose: then are you really sure it can't boot off usb?
[18:34] <pmjdebruijn> anyway? maybe burn a CD/DVD then?
[18:34] <pmjdebruijn> Sakrecoer: I'm not very experienced with netinstall either, so I'm basically just doing educated guesses :)
[18:34] <pitlaloose> maybe i've missed something but i tried a few hours reading the mobo'sman
[18:35] <pmjdebruijn> which motherboard?
[18:35] <Sakrecoer> its very nice of you pmjdebruijn
[18:35] <Sakrecoer> i need it because the target computers have no other booting possibilities...
[18:36] <pmjdebruijn> pitlaloose: ?
[18:36] <pitlaloose> yep
[18:36] <pitlaloose> P4VMM2
[18:38] <Sakrecoer> they wont boot usb, and i don't have any removable media that could be connected
[18:38] <pmjdebruijn> pitlaloose: hmmm ok... I guess you're limited to doing CD/DVD installs then
[18:38] <pmjdebruijn> Sakrecoer: they have no cd/dvd drives?
[18:40] <pmjdebruijn> anyhow, I gotta run...  good luck to both of you
[18:40] <Sakrecoer> no... its 2 tabletPC..
[18:41] <Sakrecoer> they have possibility to hook up a firewire cd-rom but i wont bother with buying one...
[18:41] <Sakrecoer> tahnks a milion !
[18:41] <Sakrecoer> enjoy AFK!
[18:41] <pitlaloose> thank u
[20:07] <xubuntu978> hello
[20:07] <xubuntu978> i need help..
[20:07] <xubuntu978> :/
[20:07] <Maple__> er
[20:07] <knome> !ask | xubuntu978
[20:07] <Maple__> what with?
[20:08] <xubuntu978> how to install tar.gz? :(
[20:08] <Maple__> You don't.
[20:08] <xubuntu978> what? :? I want install utorrent
[20:08] <Maple__> Open a terminal, 'cd' into the directory in question (by default, you're in /home/dashie/)
[20:09] <xubuntu978> yes
[20:09] <xubuntu978> after that?
[20:09] <Maple__> xubuntu978, FYI, Xubuntu comes with it's own bittorrent client, Transmission; a more functional client's in the repos, known as 'Deluge' and can be installe dwith sudo apt-get install deluge
[20:09] <Maple__> xubuntu978, tar -xvzf <tarball>.tar.gz
[20:09] <Maple__> check the README/INSTALL files if they exist.
[20:09] <knome> xubuntu978, as Maple__ said, xubuntu ships a torrent client already. are you sure that or any of the other applications in the repositories do not fit you?
[20:10] <Maple__> What sort of functionality are you seeking? It might be easier just to use a BT client that's already in the repositories/packaged.
[20:10] <xubuntu978> I need very utorrent :( I don't see readme ir install files
[20:10] <knome> xubuntu978, is there a specific reason you need utorrent?
[20:11] <xubuntu978> I using this soft about 5 years...
[20:12] <Maple__> ...and what functionality do you need?
[20:12] <knome> xubuntu978, most torrent applications are alike
[20:12] <Maple__> Hmm, it looks like mutorrent for linux is a command-line version only.
[20:12] <xubuntu978> Not only utorrent need , I can't install sublime text2 alsow..
[20:12] <Maple__> If you want a GUI, try Transmission or install another client from the repos.
[20:12] <Maple__> hmm
[20:13] <Maple__> you can use the sublime text 2 ppa
[20:13] <Maple__> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:webupd8team/sublime-text-2 && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install sublime-text
[20:15] <xubuntu978> thank you maple!!
[20:15] <xubuntu978> you are the best!!!
[20:15] <Maple__> np xubuntu978
[20:16] <xubuntu978> sorry for my english skils..
[20:16] <xubuntu978> but I have one questions
[20:17] <xubuntu978> I can't understand, why I can't install utorrent whit sudo ?
[20:17] <knome> xubuntu978, if you don't understand what a .tar.gz package is, you shouldn't try to install it
[20:18] <xubuntu978> why? I am new linux user
[20:18] <xubuntu978> yet..
[20:18] <knome> xubuntu978, .tar.gz is a compressed file (just like .zip-files are), and there is no single method of installing such "packages"
[20:19] <xubuntu978> thank you!
[20:19] <knome> no problem
[20:19] <knome> hope you'll find a suitable torrent application from the repositories (and i'm sure you will)
[20:19] <Unit193> !software
[20:21] <xubuntu978> knome, what soft you can recommend with torrents file?
[20:22] <knome> xubuntu978, depends on what you are after. for a simple one, try transmission (installed by default in xubuntu)
[20:22] <Unit193> As said above, transmission comes pre-installed, but there's also many others.