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[02:42] <xubuntu569> My dvd drive that used to burn dvd-r's just fine will no longer recognize a blank dvd-r. Can anyone help me? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
[02:58] <w30> xubuntu569, you are going to have fun unless you can figure out what changed.
[02:59] <w30> xubuntu569, does the dvd drive work ok for reading data dvd's and for playing videos and songs.
[03:00] <xubuntu569> I'm sure I will. I've already spent alot of time on the googles but no luck so far. Yes the drive does work for reading DVD's.
[03:00] <w30> you have only one cd/dvd drive?
[03:01] <xubuntu569> This is correct. Only 1 dvd/cd drive.
[03:02] <nagev> forgive me for asking obvious, have you tried a different blank disk?
[03:02] <w30> xubuntu569, does it work with a live xubuntu cd boot?
[03:05] <xubuntu569> nagev, I have tried a different blank disk of the same type. w30, I have used a live cd before, not recently though.
[03:06] <w30> Does anyone know if xubuntu live cd can run entirely in memory so the cd drive is freed up for usage?
[03:07] <w30> I don't remember if that is an option?
[03:07] <Unit193> w30: When booting off the live CD, there will be a little icon at the bottom, hit left shift.  At the next menu, hit F6 then Esc, and type toram
[03:07] <Unit193> (Type toram into the input box at the bottom, that is.)
[03:09] <w30> xubuntu569, try what Unit193 says and see if the dvd drive recognizes a blank dvd with a live xubuntu boot.
[03:10] <xubuntu569> Ok. If it does work what does that mean? Should I do a reinstall then?
[03:11] <crytown> For the past month my update manager has been frozen. It says i have 7 new updates but they won't install and theres no description or filesize for them. My update manager icon is red. Is there a way to repair this?
[03:12] <w30> xubuntu569, maybe you can boot an old kernel if you have any and see if you are a victim of a kernel change.
[03:12] <crytown> i have no idea how to do that i hope thats not the issue. only thing i remember chnaging was updating xfce so i can have dual monitor support
[03:13] <crytown> and that wasnt a stable release but has been working
[03:15] <xubuntu569> crytown, I think that was meant for me. w30 so if an older kernel works I would just have to run an older kernel then huh?
[03:15] <w30> xubuntu569, not necessarily if it works check your device names, drivers, maybe?
[03:15] <Unit193> crytown: Could always update via terminal,  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgradae
[03:15] <Unit193> (But spell that last part right.)
[03:17] <w30> xubuntu569, at least it would eliminate a hardware issue
[03:19] <xubuntu569> w30, ok. I will try that. Thanks for your help.
[03:20] <w30> xubuntu569, you need the right permissions to use the cd/dvd. Those shouldn't change on their own though.
[03:21] <w30> xubuntu569, you could always run your burner app as gksu sfburn or whatever.
[03:21] <xubuntu569> w30, yeah that's one of the things I found on google. It still doesn't work with sudo or gksudo though.
[03:22] <w30> xubuntu569, hmmmmnn...
[03:28] <xubuntu569> w30, Well I will try the live-cd and kernel things you mentioned. I appreciate your help. Thanks.
[03:29] <crytown> sorry i forgot i had this open i think i tried it through terminal with no luck will try again and report back. thanks
[03:32] <crytown> working so far
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[10:59] <lnostdal> hi,      "xubuntu-desktop : Depends: software-center but it is not going to be installed" ...   guys; no; the xubuntu desktop does not "depend on" software-center .. ..
[11:00] <knome> lnostdal, yes it does.
[11:00] <lnostdal> why always depend depend ..   just recommend ..      recommended dependencies are installed by default
[11:00] <lnostdal> no it doesn't
[11:00] <knome> that's not how the seeds are built
[11:00] <knome> lnostdal, xubuntu-desktop is a metapackage; feel free to remove it
[11:01] <lnostdal> the what? ..     no; meta-packages are useful – but less so when they are not flexible
[11:01] <lnostdal> anyway ..   i've said what i wanted to say ..  EOD .... tooodles
[11:48] <xubuntu149> Hi to everybody
[11:48] <knome> hello.
[11:48] <xubuntu149> Can anybody help me how to add russian layout in xubuntu
[11:50] <xubuntu149> I need 2 keyboard languages rus and eng
[11:50] <xubuntu149> I can't find how to add
[11:51] <lderan> you might be after xfce4-xkb-plugin
[11:51] <lderan> if its not installed already, then you can install it with 'sudo apt-get install xfce4-xkb-plugin'
[11:52] <xubuntu149> installed latest ver
[11:53] <xubuntu149> maybe this will help I made migration from Ubuntu to Xubuntu
[11:54] <xubuntu149> Ubuntu I removed
[11:54] <xubuntu149> by terminal command
[11:55] <xubuntu149> in Ubuntu was no problem to add russian layout but in Xubuntu I can't find where I can do this
[11:56] <lderan> think it adds a little flag symbol to the panel, you might have to add it manually. Sorry I can't be of much help at the moment
[11:57] <lderan> do you know how to add stuff to the panels?
[12:01] <xubuntu149> This little flag I have at logon screen there I can see 2 input languages but when I login in to my desktop there is no this one
[12:02] <xubuntu149> I found Thnx
[12:02] <xubuntu149> I added
[12:03] <xubuntu149> now need only setup hotkeys to change language now is only changing by clicking of mouse on it
[12:07] <xubuntu149> After windows it's little bit difficult to understand everythig in xubuntu :)
[12:11] <xubuntu149> solved
[12:12] <xubuntu149>  <lderan> Thnx
[12:12] <lderan> woo \o/
[15:08] <Sakrecoer> Hi! I have set up a netboot using bootp and tftpd-hda. I cannot get the target machine out on internet yet, hence i have set up an apache that serves a mounted version of xubuntu-12.04.3-alternate-i386.iso ... Once the target has identified the custom mirror, i get a message telling me there is a missmatch between the version of the netboot and the cdimage.... any one knows what version i need? My machine supportes PAE
[15:09] <Sakrecoer> the missmatch, allows me to install the system, but without a function kernel...
[15:10] <Sakrecoer> sorry *without a functioning kernel*
[15:12] <Sakrecoer> no matter howmui can't find a 12.04.2 version... nor 12.04
[15:12] <Sakrecoer> *how much
[15:13] <Sakrecoer> * i search
[15:13] <Sakrecoer> hehe.... man.. i type iznogood today...
[15:15] <GridCube> Sakrecoer, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/
[15:16] <Sakrecoer> i have actualy tried with a 12.04.2 i still had.. it gave me the same error...
[15:16] <GridCube> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/xubuntu/releases/
[15:17] <Sakrecoer> hmm.... is it sort of mandatory to use the mini.iso for netbooting with xubuntu 12.04?
[15:17] <GridCube> pretty much yes
[15:19] <Hund> I missed Xubuntu <3 http://fav.me/d6kvja4
[15:19] <Sakrecoer> hehe.... bad moment to ask a question :)
[15:21] <Sakrecoer> yeah.. all those links lead to 12.04.3 ..
[15:21] <Sakrecoer> thanks!
[15:21] <Sakrecoer> :)
[15:21] <Sakrecoer> maybe oh there!! old-release
[15:22] <Sakrecoer> so... having tried with 12.04.3 and 12.04.2, i'm guessing it should be 12.04, unless the issue is something else... :)
[15:22] <Sakrecoer> i'll let you know how it went!
[15:22] <GridCube> Hund, :D submit it to xubuntu-showcase.deviantart.com :D
[15:23] <GridCube> if you change your image licence to CC and you have a wallpaper under CC we can showcase it on the xubuntu.org website, Hund :D
[15:36] <xJamie> hey guys.
[15:36] <xJamie> Is lxnm worth using or should I use a different one?
[16:29] <Sakrecoer> GridCube: earlier you said: "pretty much yes"... but i didn't get if it was "yes, the mini.iso is mandatory for netboot" or "yes its a bad moment to ask questions" :D
[16:29] <Sakrecoer> the folder structure is so confusing for the netboot packages...
[16:30] <Sakrecoer> i've tried all xubuntu 12.04.x iso... all of them missmatch the netboot's kernel expectations...
[16:32] <Sakrecoer> oh...
[16:32] <Sakrecoer> well...
[16:32] <GridCube> Sakrecoer, i meant that i dont know how else you could install from a netboot except from an alternate iso, and as xubuntu doesnt have any alternate iso anymore
[16:33] <Sakrecoer> i picked wrong arichtecture last one...
[16:33] <GridCube> Sakrecoer, you can't get the iso to the machine? boot from usb?
[16:33] <Sakrecoer> i give it another try...
[17:10] <Sakrecoer> slowly losing hope...
[17:10] <Sakrecoer> now i have tried all versions 12.04.x and none match the netboot... :(
[17:11] <Sysi> try the original one, before point releases?
[17:11] <Sakrecoer> i've used this howto: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LocalNet and everything, except the kernel version missmatch is working... i just don't get it...
[17:14] <Sakrecoer> i've been looking into using the mini.iso .. but the howto is really obscure...
[17:15] <Sakrecoer> na well.... judging the silence here today i guess it was ment for me to travel alone on this steep road to computerjoy! :D
[17:16] <elfy> Sakrecoer: try this for the mini iso http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/minimal
[17:19] <phantomfav> hi guys, i have a little problem with nautilus, can someone help me?
[17:20] <elfy> you can ask - but many of us will be using thunar as this is xubuntu channel
[17:20] <phantomfav> yes, but i really hate thunar and xfdisplay
[17:21] <phantomfav> so i have decided to install nautilus
[17:21] <phantomfav> the file manager works great
[17:21] <elfy> !aask
[17:21] <elfy> !aask
[17:21] <elfy> !ask
[17:21] <ubottu> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience
[17:21] <elfy> lol
[17:22] <phantomfav> the desktop manager (lanuched with "nautilus -n") doesn't start
[17:22] <phantomfav> any idea?
[17:23] <phantomfav> i have killed all the process bind to xfdisplay
[17:24] <phantomfav> so now no process manage the desktop
[17:24] <phantomfav> but if i do "nautilus -n" it doesn't start
[17:25] <Sysi> with xfdisplay, do you mean xfdesktop?
[17:25] <phantomfav> yes, i mistake the name
[17:25] <Sysi> you need to remove it from session with session settings, killing it makes it respawn
[17:25] <phantomfav> yes i already do that
[17:26] <phantomfav> i remove it from the session
[17:26] <phantomfav> and saved the actual session
[17:27] <phantomfav> now in my session there are: xfwm4, xfce4-panel, xfsettingsd, xfce4-terminal
[17:27] <phantomfav> but not xfdesktop nor nautilus
[17:33] <phantomfav> This is my question: i have installed nautilus in xubuntu, the file manager works great, but the desktop manager doesn't starts ("nautilus -n") even if i have closed the process xfdesktop in the session, anyone know how to force start nautilus for the desktop?
[17:49] <brainwash> phantomfav: does "nautilus -n" terminate immediately when executed in a terminal window?
[17:50] <brainwash> and does a right-click on the desktop pop up any menu?
[17:51] <yeyeman> Is there a way to fix the tearing?
[17:51] <phantomfav> nautilus terminate after few second
[17:51] <phantomfav> and right click doesn't show up anything
[17:51] <yeyeman> while watching video there's tearing in the middle of the screen
[17:54] <brainwash> yeyeman: use a window manager with opengl compositing or a separate compositor (like compton), maybe it's even possible to activate some sort of "tear free" (gpu driver specific)
[17:55] <brainwash> phantomfav: looks like some issue with nautilus, so this isn't the right channel I guess, try asking in #ubuntu
[17:56] <phantomfav> ok, thanks
[17:57] <brainwash> yeyeman: some sort of "tear free" mode I mean, something the intel driver offers for example
[18:14] <Sysi> disabling compositing from window manager tweaks works
[18:16] <pmjdebruijn> btqw
[18:16] <pmjdebruijn> btw
[18:16] <pmjdebruijn> I have a newer Intel driver backported here https://launchpad.net/~pmjdebruijn/+archive/xserver-xorg-video-intel-testing
[18:16] <pmjdebruijn> use at own risk though
[18:16] <pitlaloose> hi
[18:17] <pmjdebruijn> lo
[18:19] <pitlaloose> i'm looking for some help :) because i'm getting stuck while installing.
[18:19] <pitlaloose> Can someone help me please ?
[18:19] <Sakrecoer> anybody has experience in installing xubuntu alternate with netboot?
[18:20] <pmjdebruijn> please describe your problem with some details, if somebody knows, they'll respond... keep in mind not body keeps an eye on the channel at all times, so please be patient
[18:20] <Sakrecoer> pitaloose: perhaps i can. what is going on?
[18:20] <pmjdebruijn> Sakrecoer: for netboo you're probably stuck with the ubuntu server install, and apting xubuntu-desktop afterwards
[18:21] <Sakrecoer> pmjdebruijn: server up and running...
[18:21] <pmjdebruijn> I meant on the client
[18:21] <Sakrecoer> i have issue with a missmatch between kernel of xubuntu12.04.x.iso and kernel of netboot
[18:21] <pmjdebruijn> since netinstall depends on the debian-installer which last I checked was only available on the server install
[18:21] <Sakrecoer> aaaah
[18:21] <Sakrecoer> now i see what you meen...
[18:21] <pmjdebruijn> emphasis on last time I checked
[18:22] <pmjdebruijn> 12.04.2 has the quantal 3.5 kernel backported and 12.04.3 has the raring 3.8 kernel backported
[18:22] <Sakrecoer> it sure dose boot after install, but like you say in server mode...
[18:22] <pmjdebruijn> 12.0.4.1 was the last to _SHIP_ with the original 3.2 series
[18:22] <pmjdebruijn> IIRC
[18:23] <pmjdebruijn> Sakrecoer: that's totally expected
[18:23] <Sakrecoer> so..... are you suggesting that the kernel is there, but i only miss the dektop?
[18:23] <pmjdebruijn> huh?
[18:23] <pmjdebruijn> no?
[18:23] <pmjdebruijn> there is no real difference between server and client on linux
[18:23] <yeyeman> hmm!!
[18:24] <pmjdebruijn> it's just having X11 or not
[18:24] <pmjdebruijn> so it's just a package selection thing essentially
[18:24] <pmjdebruijn> http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/xubuntu-desktop
[18:24] <pmjdebruijn> any particular reason why you want to netinstall a desktop in the first place?
[18:26] <pmjdebruijn> pitlaloose: if you don't describe your problem there really isn't any way we can help you
[18:26] <pmjdebruijn> we're not psychic
[18:26] <pitlaloose> thank you. i'm installing from an iso on my hard drive(/dev/sda3), got the desktop after using grub cli, running well. I launch the installer, go through it
[18:26] <pmjdebruijn> :)
[18:26] <pmjdebruijn> wait
[18:26] <pitlaloose> lol, i' slow sorry
[18:26] <pmjdebruijn> "an iso on your harddrive"?
[18:27] <pmjdebruijn> please describe that in a bite more detail
[18:27] <pmjdebruijn> what did you do exactly
[18:27] <pitlaloose> yep i can't use disk on this machine
[18:28] <pmjdebruijn> you installed from a CD to an USB disk?
[18:28] <pmjdebruijn> or what?
[18:28] <pmjdebruijn> again please describe with more detail
[18:29] <Sakrecoer> hmm.... i'm lagging like i'm on mars...
[18:29] <pitlaloose> so i had formatted my drive in 3 (swap, part for xubuntu and a fat to store my iso copied there on another machine
[18:29] <pmjdebruijn> ok, that's very atypical
[18:30] <pmjdebruijn> but I think I'm there with you
[18:30] <pitlaloose> as i had another drive with grub, i managed to boot this iso
[18:30] <pmjdebruijn> ok
[18:30] <pmjdebruijn> and on the desktop you run the installer...
[18:30] <pitlaloose> exactly
[18:30] <pmjdebruijn> and then...
[18:31] <pitlaloose> but then in the end
[18:31] <pitlaloose> it says "detecting file systems"
[18:31] <pmjdebruijn> in the installer?
[18:31] <pitlaloose> and hang on it for hours
[18:31] <pmjdebruijn> well, it's not really been designed for the case you're working with it
[18:31] <pitlaloose> yep at the end of the process
[18:32] <pmjdebruijn> so I'm not really surprised you might have hit a bug there
[18:32] <pmjdebruijn> any reason why not to install the live-iso to a USB drive, and do an install the regular way?
[18:32] <pitlaloose> usb won't work on thismobo
[18:32] <bazhang> booting an iso via grub to use the installer?
[18:33] <pitlaloose> *usb bootable stick
[18:33] <pmjdebruijn> and installing to the same disk you've booted off
[18:33] <Sakrecoer> haha... days like that... when no robots want to execute and all connections are lagging ... :D
[18:33] <bazhang> yeah, that wont work
[18:33] <pmjdebruijn> pitlaloose: how old is it?
[18:33] <pitlaloose> that's it
[18:33] <Sakrecoer> now i got your answers pmjdebruijn
[18:33] <Sakrecoer> thanks a million.
[18:33] <pitlaloose> 7-8 year
[18:33] <pmjdebruijn> pitlaloose: then are you really sure it can't boot off usb?
[18:34] <pmjdebruijn> anyway? maybe burn a CD/DVD then?
[18:34] <pmjdebruijn> Sakrecoer: I'm not very experienced with netinstall either, so I'm basically just doing educated guesses :)
[18:34] <pitlaloose> maybe i've missed something but i tried a few hours reading the mobo'sman
[18:35] <pmjdebruijn> which motherboard?
[18:35] <Sakrecoer> its very nice of you pmjdebruijn
[18:35] <Sakrecoer> i need it because the target computers have no other booting possibilities...
[18:36] <pmjdebruijn> pitlaloose: ?
[18:36] <pitlaloose> yep
[18:36] <pitlaloose> P4VMM2
[18:38] <Sakrecoer> they wont boot usb, and i don't have any removable media that could be connected
[18:38] <pmjdebruijn> pitlaloose: hmmm ok... I guess you're limited to doing CD/DVD installs then
[18:38] <pmjdebruijn> Sakrecoer: they have no cd/dvd drives?
[18:40] <pmjdebruijn> anyhow, I gotta run...  good luck to both of you
[18:40] <Sakrecoer> no... its 2 tabletPC..
[18:41] <Sakrecoer> they have possibility to hook up a firewire cd-rom but i wont bother with buying one...
[18:41] <Sakrecoer> tahnks a milion !
[18:41] <Sakrecoer> enjoy AFK!
[18:41] <pitlaloose> thank u
[20:07] <xubuntu978> hello
[20:07] <xubuntu978> i need help..
[20:07] <xubuntu978> :/
[20:07] <Maple__> er
[20:07] <knome> !ask | xubuntu978
[20:07] <ubottu> xubuntu978: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience
[20:07] <Maple__> what with?
[20:08] <xubuntu978> how to install tar.gz? :(
[20:08] <Maple__> You don't.
[20:08] <xubuntu978> what? :? I want install utorrent
[20:08] <Maple__> Open a terminal, 'cd' into the directory in question (by default, you're in /home/dashie/)
[20:09] <xubuntu978> yes
[20:09] <xubuntu978> after that?
[20:09] <Maple__> xubuntu978, FYI, Xubuntu comes with it's own bittorrent client, Transmission; a more functional client's in the repos, known as 'Deluge' and can be installe dwith sudo apt-get install deluge
[20:09] <Maple__> xubuntu978, tar -xvzf <tarball>.tar.gz
[20:09] <Maple__> check the README/INSTALL files if they exist.
[20:09] <knome> xubuntu978, as Maple__ said, xubuntu ships a torrent client already. are you sure that or any of the other applications in the repositories do not fit you?
[20:10] <Maple__> What sort of functionality are you seeking? It might be easier just to use a BT client that's already in the repositories/packaged.
[20:10] <xubuntu978> I need very utorrent :( I don't see readme ir install files
[20:10] <knome> xubuntu978, is there a specific reason you need utorrent?
[20:11] <xubuntu978> I using this soft about 5 years...
[20:12] <Maple__> ...and what functionality do you need?
[20:12] <knome> xubuntu978, most torrent applications are alike
[20:12] <Maple__> Hmm, it looks like mutorrent for linux is a command-line version only.
[20:12] <xubuntu978> Not only utorrent need , I can't install sublime text2 alsow..
[20:12] <Maple__> If you want a GUI, try Transmission or install another client from the repos.
[20:12] <Maple__> hmm
[20:13] <Maple__> you can use the sublime text 2 ppa
[20:13] <Maple__> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:webupd8team/sublime-text-2 && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install sublime-text
[20:15] <xubuntu978> thank you maple!!
[20:15] <xubuntu978> you are the best!!!
[20:15] <Maple__> np xubuntu978
[20:16] <xubuntu978> sorry for my english skils..
[20:16] <xubuntu978> but I have one questions
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[20:17] <xubuntu978> I can't understand, why I can't install utorrent whit sudo ?
[20:17] <knome> xubuntu978, if you don't understand what a .tar.gz package is, you shouldn't try to install it
[20:18] <xubuntu978> why? I am new linux user
[20:18] <xubuntu978> yet..
[20:18] <knome> xubuntu978, .tar.gz is a compressed file (just like .zip-files are), and there is no single method of installing such "packages"
[20:19] <xubuntu978> thank you!
[20:19] <knome> no problem
[20:19] <knome> hope you'll find a suitable torrent application from the repositories (and i'm sure you will)
[20:19] <Unit193> !software
[20:19] <ubottu> A general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents
[20:21] <xubuntu978> knome, what soft you can recommend with torrents file?
[20:22] <knome> xubuntu978, depends on what you are after. for a simple one, try transmission (installed by default in xubuntu)
[20:22] <Unit193> As said above, transmission comes pre-installed, but there's also many others.
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