[02:32] <ScottK> Riddell: the newer sip4 is known to break pykde.  it's mostly pykde's fault, but no fix available AFAIK.  To avoid it, sip4 needs a ~really downgrade, but the means python-qt4 and pyqt5 need downgrading too since they require the newer sip4.
[06:16] <soee> good morning
[10:32] <Riddell> still lots of beta 1 testing needed, that i386 won't run itself :)
[10:35] <smartboyhw> Riddell, unfortunately, I'm syncing the Ubuntu Studio 13.04 amd64 image down for upgrade testing, and I only have the Kubuntu amd64 image handy here. So can't help, sorry
[10:39] <marcuspbaird> hello 
[10:39] <marcuspbaird> are you looking for testers 
[10:39] <smartboyhw> marcuspbaird, yes we are
[10:39] <marcuspbaird> ok I know darkwing I be keen If you have a link 
[10:39] <smartboyhw> Please test the 13.10 pre-Beta 1 i386 images
[10:40] <smartboyhw> You can find the image at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current
[10:40] <marcuspbaird> I am on the jupiterbroadcasting mumble if you want to chat to me about it 
[10:40] <smartboyhw> The test pages is on iso.qa.ubuntu.com (Select "Saucy Beta 1")
[10:40] <marcuspbaird> ok kool will down loadit
[10:40] <shadeslayer> I won't recommend that link tbh
[10:41] <smartboyhw> A detail walkthrough is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Walkthrough
[10:41] <smartboyhw> marcuspbaird, ^
[10:41] <smartboyhw> And BTW, knowing Darkwing_ does NOT give you an extra advantage:P
[10:41] <marcuspbaird> ok which one 
[10:41] <marcuspbaird> lol 
[10:41] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, well, it's the generic link we can use
[10:41] <marcuspbaird> I know everyone 
[10:41] <marcuspbaird> be shocked 
[10:41] <marcuspbaird> and the youtubers 
[10:42] <marcuspbaird> I know popey two don't hold that against me 
[10:42] <smartboyhw> marcuspbaird, the wiki one
[10:42] <smartboyhw> marcuspbaird, everyone?
[10:42] <smartboyhw> Heh
[10:42] <marcuspbaird> 32 bit or 63
[10:42] <marcuspbaird> 64
[10:42] <smartboyhw> marcuspbaird, if you can use 3 sentences to describe each and every single person in this chat channel, I will believe that.
[10:42] <marcuspbaird> sorry 
[10:42] <smartboyhw> marcuspbaird, 32-bit is more urgent:P
[10:42] <marcuspbaird> looking 
[10:43] <Riddell> marcuspbaird: take a look at missing test cases on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/302/builds
[10:43] <marcuspbaird> popey you in here as well 
[10:43] <marcuspbaird> ok do 32 
[10:43] <Riddell> duplicate test cases welcome too, the more bugs we find the better
[10:43] <marcuspbaird> I have a intel 
[10:43] <marcuspbaird> 8 g ram 
[10:43] <marcuspbaird> old processer 
[10:43] <marcuspbaird> gt210 ndivia 
[10:43] <smartboyhw> Hell, 8 GB RAM:P
[10:44] <marcuspbaird> ion windows at moment 
[10:44] <marcuspbaird> lol
[10:44] <marcuspbaird> looking for a full install 
[10:45] <marcuspbaird> ok I good at finding bugs 
[10:45] <marcuspbaird> I can get quidsup to have a look if you like 
[10:45] <marcuspbaird> he can do a score for u 
[10:45] <marcuspbaird> lol
[10:45] <marcuspbaird> or kaddy 
[10:45] <marcuspbaird> but hes not a fan of ubuntu 
[10:46] <smartboyhw> marcuspbaird, we need everybody:)
[10:46] <marcuspbaird> lol 
[10:46] <smartboyhw> !testers | Please test the Kubuntu 13.10 pre-Beta 1 images available at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/302/builds
[10:47] <smartboyhw> !testers
[10:47] <soee> had no time yesterday as i was on laptop
[10:48] <smartboyhw> soee, how about today?
[10:48] <marcuspbaird> if any of you guys no how to use mumble you might be alble to talk some of the others into it '
[10:48] <marcuspbaird> ts.jupitercolony.com
[10:48] <smartboyhw> marcuspbaird, we have a dedicated Mumble server
[10:49] <marcuspbaird> '64734
[10:49] <marcuspbaird> I know 
[10:49] <soee> smartboyhw, yes after work and gym :D
[10:49] <smartboyhw> yofel__, what's the link again!:
[10:49] <smartboyhw> ?
[10:49] <marcuspbaird> darkwing told me 
[10:49] <marcuspbaird> nixie goes on it see i know things 
[10:49] <marcuspbaird> anyway its a linux chat room so all welcome 
[10:50] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[10:50]  * smartboyhw does not go on Mumble except for Kubuntu meetings
[10:51] <smartboyhw> Riddell, speaking about meetings, I'm planning the next developer meeting soon to re-think my application
[10:51] <smartboyhw> (Since you guys said "Next month":P)
[10:52] <marcuspbaird> I happy to jump in meet you guys 
[10:52] <marcuspbaird> whats your server guys 
[10:53] <marcuspbaird> in case I need your help with kubuntu 
[10:53] <yofel__> smartboyhw: uh, good question, try kyofel.dyndns.org if it has mumurd running
[10:53] <smartboyhw> marcuspbaird, ^
[10:53] <smartboyhw> marcuspbaird, if you need help with Kubuntu, #kubuntu is a better idea:)
[10:53] <yofel__> I remember moving it around a few times for the last meeting because sound failed
[10:53] <marcuspbaird> no probls 
[10:53] <marcuspbaird> I ok I talking about testing it 
[10:53] <marcuspbaird> ok is cause the updates 
[10:54] <marcuspbaird> theres been some issues with mumble on kde latley with sound 
[10:54] <marcuspbaird> allkdes 
[10:54] <shadeslayer> my monitor finally works again
[10:54] <shadeslayer> hurray
[10:54] <Riddell> we only use mumble for some meetings generally
[10:54] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, \o/
[10:55] <Riddell> smartboyhw: great
[10:55] <smartboyhw> Riddell, will probably be around 18th (since I want to go to the Software Freedom Day in Hong Kong doing talks having a "Kubuntu Developer" title):P
[10:55] <Riddell> smartboyhw: ooh exciting :)
[10:55] <smartboyhw> I mean, telling people that I am
[10:56] <smartboyhw> Riddell, huh, 15-year-olds doing talks to first-time free software people
[10:56] <marcuspbaird> I ma 43 
[10:56] <marcuspbaird> am 43 
[10:56] <smartboyhw> They will think, "WHAT!?!?!? What is a 15-year-old doing here? Aren't he supposed to be doing extra-curricular activities or studying!?)
[10:56] <Riddell> my first talk was nerve wracking but it was commended as the best talk of the conference
[10:57] <marcuspbaird> I use to have a youtube channel 
[10:57] <smartboyhw> Riddell, :)
[10:57] <Riddell> kubuntu is the perfect extra-curricular activity and free software is the best way to study software
[10:57] <marcuspbaird> anyway wasn't spaming happy to help 
[10:58] <marcuspbaird> what do u need to no with the testing 
[10:58] <marcuspbaird> do u need me to install a certain peace of software for it 
[10:59] <Riddell> these test cases http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/302/builds/52716/testcases
[10:59] <Riddell> mostly to know that it installs and runs fine
[11:00] <BluesKaj> Riddell:  beta1 looking fine this morning , no gltches or freezes/crashes so far
[11:00] <smartboyhw> yofel__, the mumble server still exists but with no people;P
[11:00] <Riddell> yay
[11:00] <Riddell> thanks
[11:00] <yofel__> ok, then I at least correctly remembered where it's running ^^
[11:01] <BluesKaj> heh , even the coffee's good this morning :)
[11:01] <smartboyhw> yofel, no rooms whatsoever
[11:01] <smartboyhw> Riddell, maybe we should plan another Mumble meeting soon
[11:02] <marcuspbaird> ok 
[11:02] <marcuspbaird> doing a full install anyway 
[11:49] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I do wonder how many support has the WithSupport team done currently:P
[11:51] <Riddell> smartboyhw: how much? that's their business
[11:52] <Riddell> kde desktops will be new to them professionally, but they're all linux fanboys like us so they'll have used it in the past and all run it now
[11:52] <Riddell> smartboyhw: but you can quiz vinay_ and rshort in person if you want :)
[11:53] <marcuspbaird> nods me two 
[11:53] <marcuspbaird> is there still the debate with meir and wayland 
[11:53] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion owncloud-client 1.4.0
[11:53] <marcuspbaird> darkwing and jonobacon got into debate on g+ afew months ago 
[11:54] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1220661
[11:54] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I know. Will be very interesting to see how the promotion by different mediae worked out:P
[11:54] <Riddell> marcuspbaird: we plan to use wayland, ubuntu desktop plans to use mir
[11:54] <smartboyhw> marcuspbaird, cut off, we won't support XMir for now
[11:54] <marcuspbaird> I heard that
[11:54] <marcuspbaird> :) 
[11:54] <smartboyhw> And, since upstream obviously hates it, I don't think we will be using it for some time
[11:54] <marcuspbaird> what version 
[11:54] <marcuspbaird> ok 
[11:55] <smartboyhw> Riddell, you want an FFe for this?
[11:56] <Riddell> smartboyhw: yeah my feeling is for a FFe, needs investigation though
[12:04] <Riddell> sigh, virtualbox crashing the real box
[12:05] <smartboyhw> Riddell, for me, s/crashing/freezes/
[12:06] <Riddell> smartboyhw: yeah that's what I mean
[12:07] <smartboyhw> Riddell, heh
[12:07] <smartboyhw> Riddell, but my laptop ALWAYS freezes:P
[12:08]  * smartboyhw thinks that he has overused his CPU and RAM doing packaging and stuff
[12:09] <Riddell> is there a better location for upgrade instructions than https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SaucyUpgrades/Kubuntu ?
[12:09] <marcuspbaird> so have you gusy tested this installer yer 
[12:10] <smartboyhw> marcuspbaird, we did (for amd64, it works I think)
[12:11] <marcuspbaird> does the 32 bit 
[12:13] <smartboyhw> marcuspbaird, good
[12:13] <Riddell> proofreaders needed for https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SaucyUpgrades/Kubuntu
[12:13] <marcuspbaird> ok just downloader the 32 bt will install soon 
[12:16] <smartboyhw> Riddell, looks good
[12:19] <Riddell> ScottK: do you know if we have a bug for that sip issue?
[12:32] <Riddell> ScottK: bug 1220675
[12:41] <shadeslayer> is it just me or does the guided setup not allow me to resize partitions
[12:41] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, except if you have another OS, no
[12:41] <shadeslayer> I have Kubuntu on the disk
[12:41] <shadeslayer> but it doesn't allow me to resize
[12:56] <BluesKaj> sha always use the manual partitioning the guided is clunky and lacks options 
[12:56] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer,^
[12:56] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: was testing out the i386 ISO
[12:57] <BluesKaj> nods , of course seeing the guided option is good so you guys van fix it :)
[12:57] <Riddell> LANG = "fr_GB.UTF-8"  sigh
[12:57] <BluesKaj> can
[12:58] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it'll only offer it if it knows it can resize, maybe you don't have enough disk space to do so
[12:58] <shadeslayer> hmm
[13:04] <BluesKaj> is there a method to renaming the /dev/sdXs on a disk I'm up to sdb8 on one hdd, with missing numbers in between... tried the new partition table command but that didn't seem to get rid of old unused assigned /dev/sd's , so now it's become kind of messy
[13:05] <BluesKaj> probly not the place to ask 
[13:06] <Riddell> you'd need to mess around with partitionmanager or gparted
[13:06] <BluesKaj> yeah , i have 
[13:13]  * Riddell high fives jmux 
[13:30] <Riddell> how's this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/Beta1/Kubuntu
[13:35] <smartboyhw> Riddell, isn't KTp 0.6.3 in already?
[13:35] <smartboyhw> (Since I packaged it myself-.-)
[13:37] <yofel__> Riddel: bug 1195256 is bug 1196752, or is systemd-shim not installed ?
[13:38] <Riddell> systemd-shim is installed
[13:39] <smartboyhw> Riddell, do you know how to install bodega into Kubuntu!?
[13:41] <Riddell> smartboyhw: um, apt-get ?
[13:41] <yofel__> Riddell: so does suspend work for you now? afaik they implemented the part where it was supposed to tell upower that the wakeup finished
[13:41] <smartboyhw> Riddell, can't find the package anywhere
[13:41] <Riddell> smartboyhw: well is it packaged?
[13:41] <Riddell> yofel__: good question, I've got in the habit of using pm-suspend, I'll test once this test install is done
[13:41] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I don't think so, but I need it to build Muon at it's fullest state:(
[13:42] <yofel__> Riddell: same here -.- (pm-suspend)
[13:49] <Riddell> hmm, strife in lubuntu land
[13:49] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yes
[13:50] <smartboyhw> phillw resigned:O
[13:52] <soee> 4.11.1 for Raring ready ? :)\
[13:52] <smartboyhw> soee, we haven't got 4.11.1 ready for Saucy I think
[13:53] <soee> smartboyhw, yeah one package failed from what i see
[13:53] <soee> but http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.11.1_raring.html
[13:53] <smartboyhw> soee, ah, it's done
[13:53] <smartboyhw> soee, which? We can fix that
[13:54] <soee> oh 2
[13:54] <soee> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.11.1_saucy.html
[13:54] <smartboyhw> soee, heh heh
[13:54] <smartboyhw> :P
[13:55] <smartboyhw> soee, that's why I'm saying it isn't fixed yet
[13:55] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer is supposed to be patching
[13:55] <shadeslayer> I'm supposed to be what?
[13:55] <soee> ;D
[13:55] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, patching kde-workspace 4.11.1 in Ninjas PPA!?
[13:55] <shadeslayer> wasn't that done
[13:56] <shadeslayer> more new symbols :S
[13:56] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, :S
[13:59] <soee> ok cu you later
[14:05] <apol_> Hi, isn't there a bodega client package anywhere?
[14:05] <Riddell> agateau: meh oem-config broken too at least on virtualbox bug 1220193
[14:05] <agateau> Riddell: damn :/
[14:06] <Riddell> agateau: I'm guessing it's not hard to make it fail gracefully if NM isn't running
[14:06] <Riddell> but for the ubiquity only install we need to work out how to get NM running as that's the whole point
[14:07] <Riddell> lordievader: you did an OEM install on amd64 with oem-config running ok?
[14:07] <agateau> Riddell: I agree with both your points
[14:07] <agateau> I can have a look at it tomorrow
[14:07] <smartboyhw> \o/ http://dot.kde.org/2013/09/04/kde-release-structure-evolves
[14:08] <lordievader> Riddell: On the image of yesterday yes. Was there a respin?
[14:08] <lordievader> Riddell: However it had the bug that the oem user was present after running the initial config.
[14:09] <Riddell> lordievader: no respin, so maybe it's only in virtualbox or when no wifi is present or something
[14:09] <lordievader> Riddell: I tested it in VB indeed, the vm had an internet connection.
[14:10] <Riddell> smartboyhw: you got the scoop :)
[14:10] <smartboyhw> Riddell, :)
[14:10] <Riddell> lordievader: oh interesting, then I've no idea why I got it and you didn't
[14:10] <Riddell> lordievader: I was i386 you were amd64 but I don't see that should affect it
[14:11] <lordievader> Riddell: At your side the oem user was removed?
[14:12] <Riddell> lordievader: I didn't get that far, oem setup crashed
[14:12] <lordievader> I think that is the real issue, yes.
[14:13] <lordievader> I wasn't sure if it was ment to disappear or that it crashed.
[14:14] <Riddell> nah it didn't just disappear it crashed with a crash dialogue before it started
[14:15] <Riddell> you'd have noticed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1220193/+attachment/3802437/+files/wireless-crash.png  :)
[14:22] <Riddell> hi manchicken
[14:43] <Quintasan> yofel__: You don't happen to know any tools to "draw" relations between machines in a network?
[14:46] <Riddell> Quintasan: dia?
[14:46] <Riddell> calligra flow?
[14:49] <Quintasan> hmm
[14:49] <Quintasan> Riddell: I'll actually give calligra a go
[14:50] <mikhas> pencil & paper never let me down
[14:50] <mikhas> and fax machines
[15:22] <smartboyhw> Yeah, ready!
[15:22] <Riddell> well, more testing would be good, I don't trust images only I've tested
[15:23] <Riddell> and more testing on oem especially good
[15:23] <smartboyhw> Riddell, we're actually investigating if flavours are supposed to support OEM testcases-.-
[15:23] <Riddell> smartboyhw: that'll be up to the flavour
[15:24] <smartboyhw> Riddell, no, we are meaning for all flavours
[15:25] <Riddell> smartboyhw: it'll be up to the flavour to decide
[15:25] <Riddell> I'd like to support it for system 76 and anyone else
[15:25] <smartboyhw> Riddell, well, can't do the test today
[15:25] <smartboyhw> And tomorrow I need to still do the Ubuntu Studio upgrade tests (for amd64)
[15:26] <smartboyhw> So, can't join in
[15:28] <Riddell> yofel: I just suspended three times :)
[15:34] <smartboyhw> kubotu: newversion bluedevil 1.3.2
[15:34] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1220779
[15:34] <smartboyhw> ^ Let's do it after Beta 1
[15:35] <smartboyhw> kubotu: newversion libbluedevil 1.9.4
[15:35] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1220780
[15:36] <smartboyhw> ^ Sae
[15:36] <smartboyhw> *Same
[15:59] <ejat> hi .. after upgrade to saucy .. my kde desktop window manager missing .. i tried to reinstall then this come up
[16:00] <ejat> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6063145/
[16:00] <ejat> anyone can help?
[16:00] <ejat> is there a way to force install the dependencies?
[22:31] <valorie> Riddell: the /SaucyUpgrades page looks good
[22:32] <valorie> this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/Beta1/Kubuntu has a funky pink glow around Muon Discover image
[23:46] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1217639] 13.10 Daily Build has no icon for Wireless Network on the Panel @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1217639 (by Marco Parillo)