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mlankhorstcan someone bump the repository size of https://launchpad.net/~canonical-x/+archive/x-staging ?07:14
wgrantmlankhorst: It's usually best to ask at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad. But done.07:48
mlankhorstthanks07:48
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jmlI'm getting an ssl cert error when I try to fetch a branch from Launchpad.09:56
lifelessis bzr using ssh or http[s] ?09:58
wgrantAll our SSL certs are good. Do you have ca-certificates installed, and how ancient is your bzr?10:03
wgrantModern bzrs don't use XML-RPC for HTTP at all, do they?10:03
maxbI helped someone recently whose ValiCert root cert had disappeared and in the process discovered that Ubuntu One had turned my own into broken symlinks10:14
maxbIt could be something like that10:14
maxbjml: Try a 'ls -l /etc/ssl/certs/ | grep -Fi valicert' and pastebin?10:15
jmlwgrant: I'm using whatever's on precise10:16
jmlmaxb: no broken symlinks then.10:18
maxbjml: I'd still like to see the paste to check for missing ones10:19
maxbI'd tell you what to look for but I'm ty[ing from an Android tablet so don't have a reference easily to hand10:20
jmlmaxb: https://gist.github.com/jml/643523110:22
maxbjml: Yup, you're missing a hex-hash symlink to the valicert class2 root10:24
maxbFirst, run 'debsums -s ca-certificates' to check if some files are missing10:25
maxbThe .dpkg-new file being in /etc/ssl/certs is rather bogus too10:26
maxbI would not expect dpkg to be installing into that directory at all (the files go into /usr/share)10:27
jmlmaxb: a file is missing.10:27
maxb'apt-get --reinstall install ca-certificates' is probably what you want, then10:27
maxbafter which, 'update-ca-certificates' ought to re-make the missing symlinks10:28
jmlmaxb: thanks.10:46
jmlnow I'm getting timeouts branching.10:51
wgrantTimeouts?10:52
wgrantBranches are served over HTTP directly by Apache10:52
wgrantUnless the XML-RPC call at the start is failing, they cannot time out except by a network issue.10:52
jmlhmm.10:53
* jml bumps up the logging10:53
wgrantHow did the timeout appear?10:53
jmlhttps://gist.github.com/jml/643548010:54
wgrantAh, ssh10:54
jmlyeah.10:54
jml(I'm planning on pushing shortly after I branch.)10:55
wgrantI think that's recursively stacked...10:55
wgrantOh no10:55
wgrantJust got opened a few times10:55
wgrantIt branched fine from here10:55
wgrantAre you sure your SSH connectivity to Launchpad is OK?10:55
wgrantWhat does -Dhpss think about the whole thing?10:56
wgrantThough that open_2.1 sounds like the first call.10:57
jmlhttps://gist.github.com/jml/643551410:57
jmlyeah, it is.10:57
jmltrying to ssh into bazaar.lp10:58
jml(seriously, who wrote this crap?)10:58
wgrantOh, you're on a Google network?10:58
jmlwgrant: yes. how could you tell?10:59
wgrantThe $HOME that is wrong on quite a number of levels.11:00
jmlah yes.11:00
jmlyou'd be surprised :)11:00
jmlhmm. this might be an auth thing.11:01
wgrantSpeaking of Twisted11:03
wgrantI hate whoever devised its default log rotation.11:03
jmlyeah, sorry about that.11:03
jmlthat wasn't me, but it's been a problem for a while.11:03
wgrantI've exterminated bits of it, but some stuff still uses it11:03
wgrantFor example, bzr-sftp...11:04
jmlI think the idea of twistd is a really good one.11:04
jmlbut the execution hasn't been uniformly great11:04
wgrantOh yes, certainly.11:06
jmlwgrant: I think it was something to do with my local auth11:06
wgrantIt is lovely in a lot of ways. Just not the log rotation policy...11:06
wgrantjml: Manual ssh doesn't work either?11:07
jmlwgrant: it didn't. does now.11:07
wgrantAha11:07
wgrantDodgy agent?11:07
jmlwgrant: I guess I'm surprised the error was timeout.11:07
jmlwgrant: interesting thought.11:07
jmlmaybe11:07
jmlI'm running i3wm, so normal desktop sessiony things sometimes don't work as I'd expect.11:07
wgrantThat 'timed out while waiting to read' doesn't seem to have come from bzr11:08
jmlno, that'll be ssh11:08
wgrantIndeed, that's from OpenSSH itself11:08
jmlwgrant: btw, congrats on the recent buildd work.11:10
wgrantbuildd-manager's currently getting a pretty serious makeover.11:11
jmlabout time :)11:11
wgrantMaking the Twisted slightly less insane.11:11
jmlinteresting.11:11
wgrantDisentangling the Twisted and DB code11:12
jmlif I'd done it, I would have clarified the interface to LP st it didn't talk directly to the db11:12
wgrantThat's the eventual plan11:12
jmlcool.11:12
jmlwgrant: could I persuade you to split lp's bugtracker into a separate product?11:12
wgrantBut before I can do that I need the Twisted to run as a layer on top of the model access code, rather than a horrible intertangled web11:13
wgrantHeh11:13
wgrantThat would be lovely.11:13
jmlwgrant: yeah. I'd really like it for my FLOSS work.11:13
jmlbut I'm probably not going to do the work because a) it's work, b) that much work, I almost might as well write my own11:14
wgrantIndeed, we have one of the better bugtrackers around, I think, and it's a bit unfortunate that it's so heavy to run.11:15
wgrantAnd due to lazr.restful it is some challenge to split out the rest.11:16
jmlwell, if I went at it, I'd have the liberty of forking11:17
jmlso I'd just clone LP and start deleting the non-bugtracker bits11:17
wgrantYeah.11:17
jmlshedding a silent tear that I can't use the trademarked edit icon.11:17
wgrantBut the drunken exclamation mark will feel left out.11:18
wgrant:'(11:18
jmlwgrant: blame the lawyers.11:18
wgrantPerhaps we can do a Kickstarter for a freely licensed equivalent of this essential resource.11:18
jmlthe thing is, that's still a non-trivial amount of work11:18
cjwatsonEven more if you want to actually keep it up to date11:19
jmlcjwatson: well, yes. I wouldn't bother about keeping it up-to-date with LP development though.11:19
jmlbecause there's not a great deal going on, and because it'd probably change enough that it'd be an exercise in futility11:20
jmlmostly it'd just be security bits11:20
jmle.g. I'm not sure that anyone outside of Ubuntu cares for the distro model in LP.11:20
jmlthat said, I always underestimate the cost of maintaining software. even undistract-me I have to spend time every week or so reviewing & merging patches.11:21
cjwatsonLP is part of Ubuntu Engineering nowadays, so yeah, a lot of the recent work has been soyuz/buildd kind of area11:21
cjwatsonjml: ironic11:21
jml& it's tiny11:21
jmlcjwatson: I strive to live a poetic life11:22
jmlcjwatson: makes sense.11:23
jmlalso, soyuz was always the area to me that I would have found most fun to improve11:23
wgrantI tried...11:24
jmlwgrant: heh. I'd rather not get started on my "I should haves" just now. I'll be here all day, and the whisky doesn't get served for another 4 hours.11:25
wgrantHeh11:25
cjwatsonIsn't that what a hip-flask is for?11:27
jmlI think if I take that particular road to perdition, I'd just spike my coffee11:29
jmlproblem is, I'd have to pay for my whisky  then11:29
jmllunch11:30
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cavehi all17:29
caveis there a RSS Feed available for Projects on Launchpad?17:30
cavehttps://launchpad.net/~csoler-users/+archive/retroshare-snapshots/+packages  <-- i want to read this feed for updates.17:30
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cave<cave> is there a RSS Feed available for Projects on Launchpad?20:29
cave<cave> https://launchpad.net/~csoler-users/+archive/retroshare-snapshots/+packages  <-- i want to read this feed for updates.20:29
Ampelbeincave: As far as I see it isn't supported, bug 20733320:38
ubot5bug 207333 in Launchpad itself "want feeds/programmatic notifications for package build status" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20733320:38
cavethanks Ampelbein21:01
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