[04:56] <pitti> GOod morning
[04:59] <Mirv> morning pitti
[04:59] <pitti> hey Mirv, how are you?
[04:59] <pitti> Mirv: bring 'em on!
[05:00] <Mirv> pitti: fine, and haha, you guessed :)
[05:01] <Mirv> pitti: lcov being dropped from dbus-cpp, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6061394/ , hud starting to use libnih (plus making a whitespace change as well it seems) http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6061397/
[05:01] <Mirv> pitti: and autopilot adding explicit dependeny on libautopilot-qt http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6061398/
[05:03] <pitti> Mirv: dbus-cpp +1
[05:03] <pitti> Mirv: hud +1
[05:04] <pitti> Mirv: I don't quite understand the autopilot change, as apt installs recommends by default; though we might have disabled that on touch (that's going to cause a lot of bugs)
[05:04] <pitti> Mirv: anyway, autopilot +1
[05:05] <Mirv> pitti: I think it really might be disabled (a vague memory), but not sure
[05:05] <Mirv> thank you * 3
[05:06] <pitti> yw :)
[05:06] <pitti> Mirv: at that rate, didrocks is going to have to learn how to mix cocktails all day when he returns!
[05:07] <Mirv> pitti: I'm sure he has been practicing that on the beach :)
[05:36] <Mirv> pitti: one more, adding of gsettings-qt usage to unity8 http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6061448/ both seem to be in universe
[05:37] <Mirv> all of it comes from the changelog entry "load launcher default config from existing dconf key."
[05:37] <pitti> Mirv: c'est d'accord, unity8 itself is a long way before it goes to main, right?
[05:37] <pitti> Mirv: +1
[05:38] <Mirv> pitti: well... I guess it's one of those that should be in main since we're doing an official Touch release
[05:39] <pitti> Mirv: oh hang on, NACK
[05:39] <pitti> Mirv: that package isn't in Ubuntu
[05:39] <pitti> sorry
[05:40] <pitti> Mirv: ah no, this was just me completely clearing my apt cache for testing an apport bug
[05:40] <pitti> Mirv: so, +1 again, sorry for confusion
[05:40] <Mirv> pitti: no worry :)
[05:41] <Mirv> the PPA's should only contain some demo assets as of this week if I recall correctly
[05:41] <Mirv> although the final cleaning of removal of references to PPAs is still ahead
[05:42] <Mirv> oh, actually it seems yesterday 95% of the PPA hooks were removed from the daily release system, but there are still some enabled on the images
[06:47] <jibel> Good morning
[07:28] <jibel> Mirv, sil2100 good morning, mirslave tests were misbehaving, trapped in a "move pointer" loop.
[07:28] <jibel> I took this screenshot http://ubuntuone.com/5wRCBh6DdONmManPYMyf6J
[07:30] <Mirv> jibel: ok, cool, maybe attach it to bug #1219636 which is about that?
[07:30] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1219636 in Unity "unity autopilot tests fails to move mouse, leading to infinite test run" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1219636
[07:30] <Mirv> I aborted the unity check run earlier today so that I could get other stacks finished (which they did)
[07:30] <Mirv> in the previous tick a few hours ago
[07:33] <jibel> Mirv, done
[07:54] <sil2100> veebers, thomi: any of you still around?
[08:02] <Laney> morning
[08:02] <Laney> sil2100: that seems to have gone away
[08:02] <sil2100> Morning
[08:03] <sil2100> Too bad, guess I'll poke them by e-mail
[08:03] <Laney> I meant the link you showed me
[08:04] <Laney> maybe someone else reviewed it
[08:05] <bkerensa> Doc Team needs a new feature list before freeze from desktop team if possible
[08:05] <bkerensa> :)
[08:06] <sil2100> Laney: ah! Yeah ;)
[08:31] <veebers> sil2100: I'm just making/having tea but will be around in a bit
[08:54] <Mirv> jibel/sil2100: 10.97.0.1 down for you too?
[08:54] <jibel> Mirv, no, I'm sending a notification to our internal ML
[08:55] <jibel> Mirv, I mean it is down
[08:55] <Mirv> jibel: thanks..
[08:56] <sil2100> Indeed...
[08:56] <sil2100> veebers: hi!
[08:57] <veebers> sil2100: hey, just bouncing back and forward while things are cooking :-)
[08:57] <sil2100> veebers: since there is this bug we've encountered, it would be nice to have soem AP expert looking at it:
[08:57] <sil2100> veebers: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1219636
[08:57] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1219636 in Unity "unity autopilot tests fails to move mouse, leading to infinite test run" [Critical,Triaged]
[08:57] <sil2100> veebers: it seems to happen for unity8 tests as well
[09:00] <veebers> sil2100: hmm, ok (good to see a screen shot of it happening)
[09:00] <veebers> sil2100:  there is this: https://code.launchpad.net/~veebers/autopilot/catch_infinite_mouse_move/+merge/183792 and this https://bugs.launchpad.net/autopilot/+bug/1220494
[09:00] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1220494 in Autopilot "[FFe]: Add check so we can determine if the Mouse is caught in an endless loop." [Undecided,New]
[09:00] <veebers> that will help but not solve the issue
[09:01] <veebers> the reasoning is, it detects these infinite mouse move loops and raises an exception (failing the test)
[09:02] <sil2100> veebers: oh!
[09:03] <sil2100> veebers: excellent to see that you guys are already on it, at least such a mechanism would help out in not blocking the whole stack until the jenkins timeout
[09:04] <sil2100> veebers: so it's still good! I wonder though why those infinite loops happen now, since in the past we didn't have those
[09:06] <mlankhorst> hm unity is going to be fun to backport to saucy
[09:06] <mlankhorst> saucy's xserver in precise*
[09:10] <Mirv> well, good that I had a good 2am UTC daily-release tick
[09:11] <Mirv> everything but unity and webapps got released
[09:11] <sil2100> Mirv: \o/
[09:11] <sil2100> Mirv: excellent! Actually, yesterday at the evening tick we also had that too, everything besides webapps and unity
[09:12] <Mirv> sil2100: and yesterday earlier we had unity too (and it's not in such rapid development as others) so it's mostly webapps that's hurting a bit for now
[09:13] <Mirv> and the webapps has the unfixed blocker bug
[09:13] <Mirv> so assuming we'll get back online later today, no big harm done
[09:14] <sil2100> Mirv: I think we'll have to re-ping the webapps guys to fix that bug finally
[09:14] <Mirv> 10+ packages got released in the morning
[09:15] <Mirv> sil2100: re-pinging would be needed probably as it hasn't been touched by them like triaging
[09:15] <sil2100> Mirv: I shall do dat then ;)
[09:16] <Mirv> ok :)
[09:29]  * Laney prods sil2100 and others
[09:29] <Laney> Can we try and be a bit more verbose in package descriptions?
[09:29] <Laney> I attempted to find out what mediascanner was and came away from apt-cache show no more enlightened
[09:34] <sil2100> Laney: that's a fair point, I blame it on the pre-FF where I didn't have time to settle with the upstream guys on more verbose descriptions
[09:43] <veebers> sil2100: yeah I'm not sure either why it's just happening now. I'll try take a look in my am.
[09:43] <veebers> sil2100: another thing, re: that MR and FFe bug that I linked you. What else do I need to do now to try get it actioned?
[09:47] <sil2100> veebers: could you remind me with a bug number? ;)
[09:49] <mlankhorst> Laney: it's a package providing media scanner binaries, this is required to run mediascanner
[09:49]  * mlankhorst ducks
[09:49] <sil2100> ;)
[09:50] <Laney> mlankhorst: did you read it?
[09:50] <Laney> it actually says something like that
[09:50] <mlankhorst> yeah :p
[09:50] <jibel> Oh, and the launchpad page is much more informative
[09:50] <Laney> the one that says it used to be called Hollywood?
[09:50] <jibel> yes
[09:50] <mlankhorst> haha
[09:51] <Laney> I enjoyed that one
[09:51] <Laney> "Description: This is Free Software. If you want to know what it does, just read the code."
[09:53] <mlankhorst> I'm guessing it's a canonical equivalent to
[09:53] <mlankhorst> erm whatever the thing kde had that was causing excessive disk seeks
[09:53] <jibel> ahah, the code is even better http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mediascanner-team/mediascanner/trunk/view/head:/README.md#L3
[09:54] <mlankhorst> that should have been part of the binary! :D
[09:54] <Laney> hahaha
[09:54] <mlankhorst> or at least part of the package description
[09:54] <Laney> I almost feel like someone doesn't want you to know what it does
[09:55] <mlankhorst> oh right, nepomuk
[10:16] <pitti> oh, no seb today? did the French revolution break out again or so?
[10:16]  * pitti looks for someone to bribe to binNEW my shiny new python3-xlib package
[10:17] <jibel> pitti, he took a day off to enjoy the sun
[10:26] <davmor2> pitti: I'll tell you the ISP's have gone on strike, it's a french thing ;)
[10:30] <jibel> chrisccoulson, I tested in the lab, and I confirm that firefox testsuite runs if libgl1-mesa-dri is installed. Adding it to the dependencies of firefox-testsuite would be a solution.
[10:30] <davmor2> hey guys when did the default behaviour for power button press become instant switch off?  If you let the system in saucy sleep and lock and hit the power button it switches off with no prompts
[10:31] <darkxst> Laney, Hi
[10:32] <darkxst> just to be clear the remaining issues are with g-c-c not g-s-d!
[10:33] <Laney> I thought they were in unity
[10:33] <Laney> but ok
[10:34] <tkamppeter> mlankhorst, hi
[10:35] <mlankhorst> hey
[10:36] <darkxst> Laney, basically whatever is listed here https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-gnome-3-8 (except ibus stuff which is fixed)
[10:37] <Laney> darkxst: I can make g-c-c segfault if I randomly click on panels for a minute or so
[10:37] <Laney> no debug symbols though :<
[10:38] <darkxst> Laney, that is not much use ;)
[10:38] <Laney> yeah
[10:38] <Laney> can you get them enabled for your ppa?
[10:39] <darkxst> Laney, try gnome3 ppa
[10:39] <Laney> has the same versions?
[10:41] <darkxst> Laney, oh g-c-c has been outdated!
[10:41] <darkxst> by the archive version
[10:41] <tkamppeter> mlankhorst, I cannot start XMir any more, it worked for long time as described on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mir/Installing, the I deactivated it for some time (section: Removing unity-system-compositor, temporarily) for testing stuff in tablet mode, and now I activated it again and X starts, but in classic mode.
[10:42] <tkamppeter> mlankhorst, there is no unity-system-compositor process and in /var/log/lightdm/unity-system-compositor.log I get
[10:42] <tkamppeter> mlankhorst, ** (lightdm:2075): WARNING **: Error executing child process unity-system-compositor.sleep: No such file or directory
[10:42] <Laney> darkxst: I still have your one
[10:42] <Laney> unless you mean in the gnome3 ppa
[10:42] <mlankhorst> tkamppeter: remove the line saying unity-system-compositor.sleep from /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/10-*
[10:43] <tkamppeter> mlankhorst, I have switched to saucy-proposed, as on saucy release I only got a black screen witrh mouse pointer with XMir.
[10:45] <darkxst> Laney, yes only gnome3 ppa is outdated, but copied over so give it a bit to build
[10:45] <tkamppeter> mlankhorst, I have tried this now but I get in /var/log/lightdm/unity-system-compositor.log
[10:45] <Laney> I could just do a build myself to get symbols
[10:45] <tkamppeter> ** (lightdm:2079): WARNING **: Error executing child process unity-system-compositor: No such file or directory
[10:46] <tkamppeter> Seems that the update has kicked out an important package
[10:46] <mlankhorst> proposed may not work.. else the package wouldnt be in proposed
[10:46] <mlankhorst> and I'm not going to track why mir doesn't work in proposed, probably incompatible versions
[10:47] <Laney> it appears to be involved in some kind of transition
[10:47] <tkamppeter> mlankhorst, how do I return to normal?
[10:47] <Laney> I wouldn't be surprised if that made packages get removed
[10:47] <Laney> Don't use proposed, kids.
[10:48] <davmor2> pitti: do you know who would be best to grill about this power button issue I have in saucy?
[10:50] <tkamppeter> pitti, mlankhorst, Laney, I have switched to saucy-proposed, how do I downgrade again to get to working MIR?
[10:51] <mlankhorst> no idea, you're on your own :-)
[10:51] <Laney> Find the packages that you upgraded/removed and downgrade them to saucy again
[10:51] <Laney> /var/log/dpkg.log
[10:55] <tkamppeter> Laney, mlankhorst, probably better forget about MIR for the next few weeks until fixed packages come and get passed from -proposed to release superceding the broken packages.
[10:55] <tkamppeter> Normal X is still working.
[10:55] <Laney> darkxst: Looks like your package doesn't have all the latest archive changes?
[10:56] <veebers> sil2100: sure, sorry for delay: https://bugs.launchpad.net/autopilot/+bug/1220494 (this is re: FFe for autopilot
[10:56] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1220494 in Autopilot "[FFe]: Add check so we can determine if the Mouse is caught in an endless loop." [Undecided,New]
[10:56] <veebers> )
[11:02] <sil2100> veebers: thanks! I'll modify it a bit and push it to the release team
[11:05] <pitti> davmor2: "this power button issue" sounds a bit vague
[11:05] <davmor2> pitti: hey guys when did the default behaviour for power button press become instant switch off?  If you let the system in saucy sleep and lock and hit the power button it switches off with no prompts
[11:05] <pitti> tkamppeter: what Laney said with dpkg.log, or use apt pinning to give priority 1001 to saucy packages
[11:05] <pitti> davmor2: it's a bug, gnome-session should inhibit logind
[11:06] <davmor2> pitti: ah cool so it's a known issue then
[11:06] <Laney> it's even filed
[11:06] <davmor2> Laney: woohoo
[11:07] <veebers> sil2100: awesome thanks. I'll see what you modify it to so I do it better next time ;-)
[11:11] <pitti> davmor2: bug 1201180
[11:11] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1201180 in gnome-session (Ubuntu) "Pressing power button turns off the PC ignoring the presence of another session manager" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1201180
[11:12] <pitti> tkamppeter: btw, who told you to upgrade to -proposed? we need to fix any documentation which says so, and spread the word; using saucy-proposed without quadruple-checking and installing only single packages is ALWAYS wrong, as it's "broken packages" by definition
[11:14] <davmor2> pitti: thanks I was just looking for it :)
[11:33] <tkamppeter> pitti, I wanted to try MIR again, got a black screen and then I activated -proposed in the hope to get a newer version which is held back due to beta1. Now I have de-activated -proposed again so sooner or later the broken MIR packages should get superceded.
[11:43] <darkxst> Laney, g-s-d does, g-c-c just needs a quick rebase
[12:14] <tkamppeter> pitti, thanks for the hint with the pinning, "apt-get dist-UPgrade" is DOWNgrading 127 packages now ...
[12:19] <tkamppeter> pitti, all back working. thanks.
[12:22] <pitti> tkamppeter: nice!
[12:42] <pitti> what is the program du jour to record a simple video (for youtube, etc.)?
[12:42] <pitti> (from webcam and line in)
[12:50] <jibel> pitti, I used guvcview a couple of times to record videos from webcam with audio. It worked fine for my very basic usage
[12:59] <pitti> jibel: that looks easy enough, thanks
[13:00] <tkamppeter> mlankhorst, I have serious multi-screen problems with the XMIR as of saucy release (not -proposed) should I report a bug or are there already fixes in the queue for which I should wait?
[13:02] <mlankhorst> tkamppeter: ask in #ubuntu-mir, and please don't caps mir
[13:43] <sil2100> Ok, need to change locations, be back in an hour
[13:50] <mlankhorst> hm bschaefer wrote the support for new pointer barriers right?
[15:38] <sil2100> cyphermox, kenvandine: I started all the stacks manually (besides unity, as we don't want that released too frequently anyway)
[16:51] <cyphermox> sil2100: ack
[20:30] <cyphermox> kenvandine: hey. I'll publish click.
[20:33] <kenvandine> cyphermox, ok, i have a manual run for phablet-tools, i'll publish that one
[20:33] <cyphermox> ack
[20:53] <kenvandine> tedg, should upstart-app-launch work on the phone yet?
[20:54] <kenvandine> tedg, more specifically, should upstart_app_launch_start_application
[20:55] <tedg> kenvandine, Yes, it should.
[20:55] <tedg> kenvandine, You can grab the tools and use upstart-app-launch the command line version to test.
[20:55] <kenvandine> i did... it didn't work :)
[20:55] <kenvandine> we have a branch for content-hub that uses that
[20:55] <kenvandine> and it works on the desktop
[20:56] <tedg> kenvandine, Do you have any apps installed?  ;-)
[20:56] <kenvandine> haha
[20:56] <tedg> kenvandine, I think that sometimes they don't open in the foreground
[20:56] <kenvandine> phablet   6687 90.5  0.6  18432 11736 ?        R    20:56   0:01 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/bin/click pkgdir gallery-app
[20:56] <kenvandine> weird
[20:56] <kenvandine> that is right after running it for gallery-app
[20:57] <tedg> Hmm, yeah, just worked for me.
[20:57] <kenvandine> that click command runs for a couple seconds then nothing
[20:57] <kenvandine> :/
[20:58] <kenvandine> KeyError: 'gallery-app does not exist in any database for user phablet'
[20:58] <tedg> kenvandine, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6064124/
[21:01] <kenvandine> tedg, any suggestions on how i can get debugging info?
[21:02] <tedg> kenvandine, I'm upgrading my phone... perhaps a new version of click?
[21:02] <tedg> kenvandine, ~/.cache/upstart/application.log should say something...
[21:03] <kenvandine> all errors from click
[21:03] <kenvandine>   Candidate: 0.4.3
[21:03] <kenvandine> is the version i have
[21:03]  * kenvandine checks for updates
[21:03] <tedg> Yeah, looks like updating my click broke things.
[21:07] <kenvandine> yay
[21:07] <kenvandine> downgrading to 0.3.4 works
[21:07]  * kenvandine does a little dance
[21:08] <tedg> kenvandine, https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/upstart-app-launch/click-error-handling/+merge/183982
[21:09] <kenvandine> cool
[21:10] <kenvandine> i'm looking forward to landing this in content-hub :)
[21:12] <tedg> kenvandine, Does it work for you?  Review!  Review!  So it can land in the next update (40min)  :-)
[21:12] <kenvandine> i'll test it
[21:17] <kenvandine> tedg, worked!
[21:17]  * kenvandine ack'd it
[21:22] <tedg> \o/