[04:40] <theblazehen> wb space
[04:41] <space> Thank you.
[06:37] <Kilos> morning superfly et al
[06:38] <superfly> Guten morgen Kilos
[06:39] <Kilos> zehr gut?
[06:39] <theblazehen> hi kilos
[06:39] <Kilos> hi theblazehen 
[06:46] <inetpro> goeie more
[06:46] <Kilos> more inetpro 
[07:07] <Kilos> zehr gut? is howsit hey?
[07:17] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[07:20] <Vince-0> hi
[07:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning all
[07:38] <Kilos> morning ThatGraemeGuy 
[07:45] <inetpro> Kilos: sehr gut = very good
[07:46] <Kilos> ah sehr ty inetpro 
[08:09] <Kilos> hi psyatw 
[08:10] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[08:11] <theblazehen> hi psyatw
[08:11] <theblazehen> hi psyatw
[08:12] <psyatw> hi theblazehen
[08:15] <Kilos> hey clever kde okes if i send my .conf from my home to ian and he replaces his .conf can that fix his prob?
[08:15] <theblazehen> maybe
[08:16] <inetpro> Kilos: the easiest is to start a new profile and see whether that works
[08:17] <inetpro> in other words, create a new dummy user and login with that
[08:17] <Kilos> he has conf files missing
[08:17] <Kilos> all must be done from cli
[08:18] <inetpro> use the adduser command to create a new username
[08:18] <Kilos> treid the commands to use old cong and there was nothing
[08:18] <Kilos> ok ty inetpro will try if/when he gets here
[08:18] <Kilos> i think he ran outa data last night
[08:18] <inetpro> your question is like asking how long is a peace of string
[08:19] <Kilos> again
[08:19] <inetpro> there are plenty of config files
[08:19] <Kilos> oh ya the ones that his panel uses
[08:20] <inetpro> still that is grey area
[08:20] <Kilos> i was thinking of sending my whole .conf
[08:20] <Kilos> 2 megs
[08:20] <inetpro> oh you mean the .conf folder?
[08:20] <Kilos> yessir
[08:21] <inetpro> hmm...
[08:21] <inetpro> I don't even have such folder
[08:21] <Kilos> in home there must be
[08:21] <inetpro> maybe you're talking about .config
[08:21] <Kilos> in the hidden files
[08:21] <Kilos> oh ya maybe
[08:21] <Kilos> as usual you are right
[08:22] <inetpro> there's no half measures in computing
[08:22] <inetpro> the .config folder has many subfolders
[08:22] <inetpro> for all kinds of apps
[08:23] <Kilos> so if i mail my .congig folder to his fone can he delete his one and put mine in there
[08:23] <inetpro> I wouldn't go there
[08:23] <Kilos> oh
[08:23] <inetpro> rather start a new profile as I suggested
[08:24] <Kilos> ok that will be good if it shows the kde panel and launcher
[08:24] <inetpro> or go in the backend and rename his home folder and create a new blank profile
[08:24] <Kilos> ai!
[08:24] <inetpro> but be sure that you know what you do when you do that
[08:25] <Kilos> AI!
[08:25] <inetpro> permissions need to be right
[08:25] <Kilos> so its a corrupt /home
[08:25] <inetpro> don't rename /home
[08:26] <Kilos> i think removing something and then upgrading has deleted important stuff
[08:26] <inetpro> rename /home/userX to /home/userX.old
[08:26] <inetpro> then create /home/userX again
[08:26] <inetpro> and make sure the permissions are the same as /home/userX.old
[08:26] <Kilos> aha ok will try that ty very much
[08:27] <Kilos> so is that the command?
[08:27] <inetpro> no
[08:27] <Kilos> rename /home/userX to /home/userX.old
[08:27] <Kilos> ai!
[08:28] <inetpro> that is the principle, let him go google it
[08:28] <Kilos> he sukkels just to be on here and konsole
[08:28] <Kilos> no app switcher
[08:29] <Kilos> i dunno how he even gets konsole open
[08:29] <inetpro> if he got here he will get there
[08:29] <Kilos> ill do the googling
[08:30] <inetpro> it really is very simple
[08:30] <Kilos> have you the correct link for me please
[08:30] <inetpro> ai!
[08:30] <Kilos> lol
[08:31] <Kilos> when i use googled stuff i kill pcs and the fly fights me
[08:33] <Kilos> ill try the adduser first with him
[08:36] <Kilos> like this http://askubuntu.com/questions/70236/create-an-administrator-user-in-command-line
[08:36] <Kilos> hi drussell 
[08:36] <drussell> Kilos: hiya
[09:24] <Kilos> hi Xethron 
[09:36] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday 
[09:39] <theblazehen> maybe sudo cp -rvf /etc/skel ~
[09:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> i wouldn't use sudo there, the destination files will be owned by root
[09:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> cp -a /etc/skel ~
[09:42] <Kilos> is that for me?
[09:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> um, i dunno
[09:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> i was just commenting on theblazehen
[09:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> also i meant -r not -a now that i look at it
[09:44] <Kilos> lol 
[09:44] <Kilos> theblazehen, was that for me?
[09:54] <inetpro> Kilos: read and try to understand the top answer to the following question: How to NOT become a root user? Are administrators root? at http://askubuntu.com/questions/245201/how-to-not-become-a-root-user-are-administrators-root?rq=1
[09:56] <inetpro> and then the right way would probably be to create a second admin from where you login and rename your original home folders
[09:56] <inetpro> admin user*
[09:57] <inetpro> don't ever try renaming your home folder while logged in
[09:58] <inetpro> oh and always make backups 1st!
[10:00] <Kilos> ty inetpro ive found where one says sudo adduser sudo
[10:00] <Kilos> that should be good hey?
[10:00] <Kilos> sorry
[10:00] <inetpro> uh
[10:00] <inetpro> no
[10:00] <Kilos> sudo adduser user sudo
[10:00] <inetpro> yes, that is better
[10:00] <Kilos> lemme go read your link
[10:01] <inetpro> but please don't called the username "user"
[10:01] <Kilos> ok
[10:01] <inetpro> :-)
[10:01] <Kilos> nick better?
[10:01] <Kilos> hehe
[10:01] <Kilos> i found others but they waana go tube
[10:01] <Kilos> grrr
[10:09] <Kilos> ai! so much. ive only needed to be root with iptables stuff and then did sudo -i to become the root guy
[10:10] <Kilos> sudo didnt work with some of the iptables stuffs
[10:11] <Kilos> the masquerading goed ek dink
[10:12] <Kilos> i can foget that for a bit, got a router now
[10:12] <Kilos> forget
[10:13] <Kilos> and everything is working so dont even need sudo much
[10:13] <Kilos> hi henkj wb
[10:18] <theblazehen> kilos: for person with KDE problem
[10:19] <Kilos> ty theblazehen what will it do?
[10:20] <Kilos> my son is the prob kid
[10:22] <Kilos> copy the whole /etc/ and something somewhere
[10:23] <Kilos> i use ~/Desktop/ to not need the correct path like /home/miles/Desktop/
[10:23] <Kilos> have no idea what it will do at the end of a command
[10:28] <Kilos> hi Tinuva 
[10:28] <Kilos> havva good day
[10:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names
[10:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> how did i not know this ?! :-O
[10:36] <Kilos> hehe
[10:40] <Symmetria> yay my media server arrives today
[10:40] <Symmetria> lol I bought a new machine to serve media to the smart tvs in the house with sicko amounts of disk space
[10:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> how sicko?
[10:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> needs a soundproof room with custom-build cooling system? :P
[11:11] <Symmetria> lol
[11:11] <Symmetria> I have ummm 12 x 3TB disks directly in that machine
[11:12] <Symmetria> and a second machine linked back to back with it via 10G network cards with another 12 x 3TB disks in that one
[11:12] <Symmetria> lol, 6 x internal SATA, 3 x E-SATA and 3 x USB3 disks on each machine 
[12:38] <magespawn> afternoon all
[12:42] <smile> hi :)
[12:42] <smile> Not supported: ab, ace, acf, ady, ady-cyrl, aeb, ahr, akz, anp, arn, aro, arq, ary, ase, av, ay, ban, bbc, bbc-latn, bew, bfq, bi, bm, bo, bqi, brh, bto, bug, cbk-zam, cho, chr, chy, co, cps, cr, crh, de-at, de-ch, de-formal, dtp, dz, ee, egl, eml, en-ca, en-gb, es-419, es-formal, esu, ff, fit, fj, frc, frr, gah, gbz, gcf, glk, gom, gom-deva, gom-latn, grc, gsw, guc, gur, ha, hak, hif,...
[12:42] <smile> ...hif-deva, (check if using English - target for bugfix release before or after 1.0)
[12:42] <smile> Supported: ab, ace, af, ak, aln, am, an, ang (partially), ar, arc, arz, as, ast, avk, az, azb, ba, bar, bcc, bcl, be, be-tarask, bg, bho, bjn, bn, bpy, br, bs, bxr, ca, cdo, ce, ceb, ch (partially), ckb, crh-cyrl, crh-latn, cs (SPECIAAL GEVAL, regel 601), csb, cu, cv, cy, da, de, diq, dsb, dv, el, en, eo, es, et (SPECIAAL GEVAL, regel 825), eu, ext (partially), fa, fi, fo, fr, frp, fur, fy,...
[12:42] <smile> ...ga, gag, gan, gan-hans (partially), gan-hant (partially), gd, gl, gn, got (partially), gu, gv, haw, he, hi, hif-latn
[12:42] <smile> :D
[12:43] <smile> Languages everywhere :p
[12:47] <magespawn> yup looks like it, and from everywhere
[13:04] <Kilos> lo the magespawn 
[13:04] <Kilos> sorry was asleep
[13:04] <magespawn> no worries
[13:04] <Kilos> hi smile
[13:13] <smile> Kilos: hi, how are you? :D
[13:14] <smile> magespawn: not yet! :p dutch isn't included yet ;)
[13:14] <Kilos> good ty smile and you?
[13:14] <Kilos> whats all the spam?
[13:14] <smile> I'm fine too :D
[13:14] <Kilos> hehe
[13:14] <smile> Lol, that's no spam :)
[13:14] <Kilos> anything more than 5 lines is spam i was told
[13:14] <smile> The "spam" are languages thare are currently supported by my program WikiList ;)
[13:15] <Kilos> before i even knew what a pastebin was
[13:15] <smile> Pastebin makes only sense for over >5 lines :)
[13:15] <Kilos> are those all languages
[13:15] <smile> yes! :)
[13:15] <Kilos> en=english
[13:15] <Kilos> aha
[13:16] <smile> yes :)
[13:16] <smile> Kilos: http://pastebin.com/nx86Qeg4
[13:17] <smile> :DD
[13:17] <Kilos> thats a stupid pastebin man in future use slexy.org
[13:17] <Kilos> much faster
[13:17] <smile> will remember, Kilos  :p
[13:17] <Kilos> whew lots in there hey?
[13:17] <Kilos> you working hard my man
[13:19] <smile> Kilos: That are lines which I need in order to support those languages :D
[13:20] <Kilos> those are*
[13:20] <smile> I even wrote a program, NiceAdd, to parse those 1400+ lines for me
[13:20] <smile> :D
[13:20] <Kilos> well done
[13:20] <smile> thanks :) still busy ;)
[13:20] <Kilos> you will be a mamba when you grown up
[13:20] <Kilos> hehe
[13:21] <Kilos> mamba=master or very dangerous snake
[13:21] <Kilos> za slang
[13:23] <smile> :DD
[13:23] <smile> I learned how to use progressbar today
[13:24] <smile>   prgParse.Value = (i / (arrInvoer.Count)) * 0.7 ;)
[13:24] <Kilos> keep it up
[13:25] <Kilos> magespawn, quick trip
[13:26] <smile> to? :)
[13:26] <Kilos> he was out somewhere
[13:26] <Kilos> runs a taxi service
[13:26] <magespawn> yup the meeting was canceled
[13:26] <Kilos> for peeps that want to poach rhino
[13:26] <Kilos> ah
[13:27] <Kilos> with cameras
[13:27] <smile> :)
[13:27] <smile> Cool :)
[13:31] <smile> Over 1700 lines :p
[13:31] <smile> Knowing that every line makes the parsing of a line slower, this is not good :p
[13:33] <smile> Why are there so many languages in the world? :p
[13:34] <Kilos> crazy hey
[13:34] <Kilos> should force only english on everyone
[13:35] <smile> :DD
[13:35] <smile> The world would be a heck lot easier ;)
[13:35] <Kilos> more understandable
[13:35] <smile> yeah :)
[13:36] <smile> more collaborative :)
[13:36] <Kilos> but peeps like their own languages and cultures
[13:36] <smile> :(
[13:36] <Kilos> just the internet has made it difficult to be one language only
[13:38] <smile> I hope once there will be an central translate website for everyone's benefit ;)
[13:38] <smile> so that I don't need to translate "Edit" over and over again
[13:38] <smile> :p
[13:38] <Kilos> that will take years to come
[13:38] <smile> But in the end.. ;)
[13:39] <Kilos> yeah
[13:39] <smile> 1817 lines already :p
[13:39] <Kilos> in the end most peeps will use english most i think
[13:39] <smile> In a moment, Gedit will say: CRASH
[13:39] <smile> :p
[13:40] <Kilos> then save it so long
[13:40] <smile> I'm saving it every minute
[13:40] <smile> ;)
[13:40] <Kilos> lol
[13:41] <smile> I don't know which limits will crash the program, so :p
[13:41] <smile> Should try it.
[13:41] <smile> :p
[13:41] <smile> The text boxes of my program support more text than a computer ever can parse
[13:41] <smile> :D
[14:15] <theblazehen> kilos: copy the default settings over to your home directory
[14:16] <Kilos> oh ty theblazehen 
[14:16] <theblazehen> NP. sorry I never responded earlier. was at school
[14:17] <Kilos> np ty alot
[14:22] <magespawn> later all
[14:40] <charl_> theblazehen: were you the guy using RetroShare ?
[14:47] <theblazehen> Charl: yeah
[14:55] <charl_> theblazehen: i installed it now, running it for the first time
[14:55] <theblazehen> awesome. message me your key?
[14:55] <theblazehen> will add you when at PC
[14:56] <charl_> ok just figuring out how to get my key out :)
[14:56] <superfly> RetroShare? 
[14:57] <theblazehen> go to add friend
[14:57] <theblazehen> distributed p2p chat superfly
[14:57] <charl_> ok seems like i need yours too
[14:59] <charl_> now i also see how the connection works because it literally puts the ip address in the certificate text
[14:59] <superfly> Hrm. interesting. Will have to install it and have a look. 
[14:59] <theblazehen> charl send it soon
[15:00] <charl_> ok
[15:00] <charl_> interesting experiment
[15:02] <Kilos> what is the diffs beteen these 2 commands please, as in what does one leave out
[15:03] <Kilos> cp -r /etc/skel ~
[15:03] <Kilos> cp -a /etc/skel ~
[15:05] <Kilos> thats an options difference hey?
[15:06] <theblazehen> yeah. not sure what
[15:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: man cp :)
[15:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'm feeling like a bit of "teach a man to fish" today :P
[15:16] <Kilos> ty ThatGraemeGuy you getting like the pro
[15:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> read the options in the manpage and see if you can explain the difference ;)
[15:17] <Kilos> one is archive and other is recursive
[15:18] <Kilos> whatever recursive means
[15:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> recursive means, "also include any files/dirs under the named dir"
[15:18] <Kilos> aha ty
[15:19] <Trixar_za> cp -a is implying the cp -r
[15:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> yea, but it also does other stuff that may not be desirable
[15:19] <Trixar_za> So while cp -r will just copy recursively, cp -a will copy recursively and pretty much everything else
[15:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> primarily, you may not want permissions and ownership to be copied
[15:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> especially if the source is owned by root
[15:20] <Kilos> well we can try run both so nothing is left out
[15:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> which /etc/skel is
[15:21] <Trixar_za> True, but doesn't adduser already copy from /etc/skel ?
[15:22] <theblazehen> Trixar_za: yep
[15:22] <theblazehen> but this will make it not need to create a new user
[15:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> got my afrihost mobile thingy earlier, if anyone is interested: https://twitter.com/ThatGraemeGuy/status/375235401209765888
[15:26] <Kilos> ah
[15:26] <Kilos> thats fast
[15:27] <Kilos> mtn you said ThatGraemeGuy ?
[15:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah
[15:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> that's in observatory, pretty good coverage here
[15:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> will try from home later, likely to be less great
[15:28] <Kilos> aw this tower is a edge tower so no chance of such speeds
[15:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'm on the edge of the winelands, usually don't get 3G there
[15:29] <Kilos> but you can on good days
[15:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> but its cool for using in the car, much cheaper than using up my 3G, and also phone's battery ought to be better because wifi uses less battery than 3G
[15:29] <Kilos> this tower is edge max
[15:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> according to the coverage map, i'm about 3 houses too far for 3G
[15:29] <Kilos> owch
[15:29] <Kilos> external antenna
[15:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> i don't generally care though since i have adsl and use my wifi
[15:30] <Kilos> yagi power
[15:30] <Kilos> ah
[15:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> the mobile thing isn't meant to be used at home
[15:30] <Kilos> how does it connect to pc?
[15:32] <Kilos> thats double my 8ta download speed and 10 times upload speed
[15:36] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy, do you  follow us on twitter
[15:36] <Kilos> @ubuntuza
[15:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: it's a mifi device, you put the sim into it, switch it on, and it can support up to 8 wifi clients
[15:36] <Kilos> that where relevant messages are tweeted like meetings etc
[15:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> you can also connect to it over usb, but i didn't manage to get that working just yet
[15:37] <Kilos> ah ty
[15:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> didn't try very hard either to be honest
[15:37] <Kilos> hehe working is working who worries about alternatives
[15:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> is it @ubuntuza?
[15:38] <Kilos> ya
[15:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> i do follow
[15:38] <Kilos> cool
[15:38] <Kilos> hows the perl going
[15:39] <Kilos> or coming
[15:46] <Kilos> im gonna reboot to kde
[15:47] <theblazehen> good luck kilos
[15:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> byeeeeeeee
[16:33] <Kilos> morrow ThatGraemeGuy 
[16:33] <Kilos> havva good night
[17:06] <magespawn> good evening
[17:06] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[17:07] <magespawn> any of others around?
[17:07] <Kilos> been quiet fo a while
[17:08] <Kilos> im on kde so cant see what the new toy is, some p2p thing
[17:08] <Kilos> charl_: ^^
[17:08] <Kilos> i think it was him
[17:09] <Kilos> thats persont to person hey?
[17:10] <magespawn> yes let me scroll
[17:10] <magespawn> RetroShare
[17:10]  * magespawn goes to google
[17:13] <theblazehen> magespawn: yeah
[17:13] <theblazehen> anyone got an idea of the size of all the ubuntu logs?
[17:13] <magespawn> logs?
[17:14] <theblazehen> yeah. Ubuntu's logs
[17:14] <theblazehen> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com
[17:14] <magespawn> looks like there is some talk about an android client for RetroShare
[17:15] <theblazehen> magespawn: there is, but needs remote client
[17:15] <magespawn> no idea, but it is only text?
[17:15] <theblazehen> magespawn: yep
[17:15] <theblazehen> all logs for 9 years
[17:15] <theblazehen> (Not my math)
[17:15] <Kilos> what is it just to chat in private?
[17:15] <charl_> hi all
[17:16] <Kilos> hi charl_ 
[17:16] <theblazehen> Kilos: yeah, and for group chat. Cencorship resistant
[17:16] <theblazehen> wb charl_
[17:16] <magespawn> hi charl_ 
[17:16] <charl_> hi Kilos 
[17:16] <Kilos> ah group
[17:16] <charl_> hi theblazehen 
[17:16] <magespawn> yes Kilos 
[17:16] <charl_> hi magespawn 
[17:16] <theblazehen> charl_: did you get my key?
[17:16] <charl_> i'll look now
[17:16] <Kilos> privet one on one here can be with dcc chat nick
[17:17] <Kilos> private
[17:17] <theblazehen> Kilos: Yeah, but needs freenode to run, and to find users
[17:17] <Kilos> but no groups
[17:17] <charl_> cool got it i will add you shortly
[17:18] <Kilos> every day more new stuff
[17:18] <magespawn> be very cool if they get it to run on android
[17:19] <theblazehen> magespawn: yeah
[17:23] <charl_> theblazehen: sorry it seems like i can't open it on my work machine from home
[17:23] <charl_> theblazehen: X11 forwarding over SSH doesn't want to work for me now
[17:24] <charl_> it works fine on my vps, i don't know why it doesn't want to work on my desktop at work
[17:24] <theblazehen> charl_: ah ok, np
[17:24] <charl_> maybe because X is already running locally
[17:24] <theblazehen> ah ok:/
[17:24] <theblazehen> yeah
[17:25] <charl_> i use x11 forwarding on my vps too, for example when i want to open a picture attachment while reading my mail in mutt
[17:25] <charl_> i use feh as my default image viewer
[17:25] <theblazehen> yep
[17:25] <theblazehen> I find it a bit too slow
[17:25] <theblazehen> ah ok
[17:26] <charl_> no i can't say that performance has been a problem at all, it actually works very quickly (for me)
[17:26] <theblazehen> Wow... Network speed?
[17:27] <charl_> dunno at work i'm on 1gbps at home on 60mbps
[17:27] <charl_> my server is at hetzner on 100mbps
[17:28] <charl_> ping from work is about 20ms and from home about 30ms
[17:28] <theblazehen> Nice!
[17:28] <theblazehen> I find that 2mbit is fast enough
[17:28] <theblazehen> so desktop -> netbook
[17:28] <theblazehen> wifi is slow
[17:28] <charl_> wifi is always terrible, i don't use it
[17:29] <charl_> except maybe well-optimised 802.11n
[17:29] <charl_> but then you have to use 5.2ghz with two antennas and all that
[17:29] <charl_> not the so-called "mixed mode" that's the standard on most home dsl/cable routers
[17:29] <theblazehen> yep. 
[17:29] <charl_> i have the ubee evw3200 and lemme tell you the wifi is complete sh1t
[17:30] <charl_> it is one of these combination internet/telephone modems
[17:31] <theblazehen> ah ok
[17:32] <charl_> i want to desperately move to fibre but it's not available in my area and i haven't heard a single word of rollout either
[17:33] <charl_> i was looking at this the other day and got quite bitter lol http://www.breedbandarnhem.nl/thuis/glasvezel-internet
[17:34] <charl_> this i mean http://www.breedbandarnhem.nl/thuis/snelheden
[17:34] <charl_> 250mbps for less than i'm paying now :(
[17:34] <theblazehen> :(
[17:37] <charl_> on more positive news i discovered a very nice (headless) im client yesterday http://www.centerim.org/index.php/Main_Page
[17:37] <charl_> up until now i've been using http://www.gnu.org/software/freetalk/
[17:37] <charl_> a pretty solid but very simplistic xmpp client
[17:37] <theblazehen> ooohhh
[17:37] <charl_> centerim is _much_ more powerful and also supports other protocols, apparently even irc
[17:37] <charl_> not that i'm too interested because i use irssi for irc
[17:38] <charl_> but it makes a heck of a lot better xmpp client
[17:38] <theblazehen> charl_: I use quassel
[17:38] <charl_> i try to do as much using headless software as possible
[17:38] <charl_> then i can run it anywhere inside of screen and detach and reattach to it
[17:39] <magespawn> quassel rocks
[17:39] <charl_> only pieces of software i use regularly that is not headless are probably a browser and vlc
[17:39] <theblazehen> charl_: You still use screen? All the cool kids are using tmux these days...
[17:39] <theblazehen> magespawn: Agreed
[17:39] <charl_> oh yeah i am a bit old-school you know :)
[17:40] <magespawn> tmux?
[17:40] <charl_> magespawn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tmux
[17:40] <magespawn> ty
[17:41] <theblazehen> magespawn: Really nice TerminalMUltipleXer
[17:41] <magespawn> ah right
[17:42] <magespawn> i have used screen
[17:42] <charl_> i don't really use the screen splitting much
[17:42] <charl_> that's not something i even want
[17:43] <charl_> i use a tiling window manager and i almost always use tabs instead of tiles
[17:43] <theblazehen> charl_: usefull when in ssh
[17:43] <theblazehen> and tmux has tabs
[17:43] <theblazehen> C-b tabno
[17:43] <magespawn> i like for running seperate wget sessions over ssh
[17:44] <charl_> yeah sure but screen has that too :)
[17:44] <theblazehen> seperate wget sessions?
[17:44] <charl_> so why switch
[17:44] <charl_> ctrl+a tabnumber
[17:45] <theblazehen> While we're on the topic of debate.... Emacs vs vim ? /s
[17:45] <charl_> vim :)
[17:45] <charl_> lol here we start a war again
[17:45] <theblazehen> vim :)
[17:45] <charl_> for me i just started learning vi and the logical next step was vim
[17:45] <magespawn> yes wget more than one iso by connecting to me server in the shop
[17:45] <Kilos> hehe
[17:45] <charl_> not that i think emacs is any less
[17:46] <theblazehen> Emacs: Eight megabytes, and constantly swapping
[17:46] <theblazehen> magespawn: ah ok
[17:46] <magespawn> not really proficient in either
[17:48] <magespawn> what is that other screen manager? balibo or something like that?
[17:49] <theblazehen> yeah, something like that..
[17:49] <charl_> never heard of that
[17:49] <charl_> link? i'm pulling movie results
[17:49] <magespawn> let me google quickly
[17:50] <charl_> thanks
[17:54] <magespawn> charl_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Byobu
[17:54] <magespawn> never tried that yet
[17:55] <charl_> yeah me neither
[17:56] <charl_> hmmm i wonder about those key bindings
[17:57] <charl_> they might interfere with other applications
[17:57] <charl_> looks good though, maybe worth trying at some point
[18:02] <magespawn> when there is time? lol
[18:09] <magespawn> inetpro when you have got a second
[18:10] <Kilos> haha your turn for an ai!
[18:10] <Kilos> hi psychicist 
[18:11] <magespawn> lets hope not too much of one
[18:11] <Kilos> lol
[18:11] <Kilos> ohi ThatGraemeGuy what broke
[18:13] <psychicist> hi Kilos 
[18:13] <psychicist> hell magespawn 
[18:13] <psychicist> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[18:14] <magespawn> hell? hi psychicist 
[18:14] <Kilos> lol
[18:15] <magespawn> i didn't think i was that bad
[18:15] <Kilos> hello dont work with tab complete
[18:15] <psychicist> hello magespawn :)
[18:15] <psychicist> hahaha
[18:15] <psychicist> yeah
[18:16] <magespawn> ;)
[18:19] <Kilos> now he will make you sweat first
[18:19] <Kilos> grumpy old goat
[18:20] <inetpro> good evening
[18:20] <magespawn> no worries, people are busy
[18:21] <inetpro> magespawn: what was that?
[18:21] <magespawn> i have a sort of job related question
[18:21]  * inetpro has not read the backlogs since early today
[18:21] <magespawn> i have been offered a job at a local game reserve
[18:22] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[18:22] <inetpro> hi Kilos
[18:22] <inetpro> magespawn: and?
[18:23] <magespawn> looking after local network and everything onsite for 20-25 users, email is off site
[18:24] <magespawn> very vague job description at the moment as it is a totally new position
[18:24] <inetpro> sounds like a nice job to start with, what's the question
[18:24] <inetpro> ?
[18:24] <magespawn> any idea of what you think of as a salary?
[18:24] <inetpro> ai!
[18:25] <Kilos> lol
[18:25] <magespawn> there it is
[18:25] <Kilos> yip
[18:25] <inetpro> depends what you want
[18:26] <magespawn> it sounds like a lot of work intially, but then largely routine from there, once everythinng is set up
[18:26] <theblazehen> So I'm downloading all the ubuntu logs... 2004-2007 is only 1.4 GB
[18:27] <inetpro> I would see a job like that as plain opportunity, grab it if you can and make the best of it
[18:27]  * inetpro hates working for a salary
[18:28] <magespawn> thats what i thought too, lots of opportunity to learn and grow, parent company is large
[18:28] <inetpro> as long as you get more than what you earn now
[18:28] <magespawn> way more, 4x more at the low end
[18:29] <inetpro> then why not?
[18:29] <Kilos> then there isnt actually any thinking needed
[18:29] <magespawn> but then i make peanuts now, so thats not hard
[18:29] <magespawn> big step, big change
[18:30] <magespawn> exciting
[18:30] <Kilos> inetpro: the guys here will help him if he snags somewhere so its all good
[18:30] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm... sometimes it's not that simple
[18:30] <Kilos> even if there must be a few ai!'s added now and again
[18:31] <inetpro> you can't possibly talk about everything in your job environment, can be risky
[18:31] <Kilos> man the probs will be IT probs not personal stuff of the boss etc
[18:32] <inetpro> obviously we try to help as far as possible
[18:32] <Symmetria> <3 my parents are happy again and won't be bugging me for stuff to do any time soon
[18:32] <Symmetria> I went and bought them a 64" samsung smart tv, loaded plex on it, pointed it at my media server and said there, have fun ;p
[18:32] <Symmetria> now they can go watch tv and movies forever and a day ;p
[18:33] <inetpro> Symmetria: wb, where have you been hiding
[18:33] <Symmetria> all over the world :)
[18:36] <Kilos> good to look after parents Symmetria keep it up
[18:37] <Symmetria> ;p I fear the day when my mother starts asking me to find her specific content
[18:38] <Kilos> get instruction manuals
[18:38] <Kilos> hi henkj 
[19:01] <Kilos> coofee then bed. dont look like ians gonna make it
[19:01] <Kilos> Maaz: coffee on
[19:01]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[19:02] <Kilos> inetpro: coffie
[19:02] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee please
[19:02] <Maaz> inetpro: Sure
[19:02] <Kilos> magespawn: coffee
[19:03] <magespawn> Maaz coffee 
[19:03] <Maaz> magespawn: coffee is liquid code
[19:03] <Kilos> lol
[19:03] <magespawn> Maaz coffee please
[19:03] <Maaz> magespawn: Okay
[19:03] <Kilos> Maaz: rusks please
[19:03] <Maaz> behind the calender on top of the fridge, but dont tell everyone Kilos
[19:04] <magespawn> inetpro i am most definately taking the job, that was never the question
[19:05] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos, inetpro and magespawn!
[19:05] <magespawn> too much all in one place
[19:06] <Kilos> Maaz: thanks man
[19:06] <inetpro> magespawn: just don't get into IT for the money
[19:06] <Maaz> Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-)
[19:06] <magespawn> Maaz dankie
[19:06] <Maaz> Groot plesier magespawn my vriend
[19:06] <inetpro> IT can be very tough
[19:06] <magespawn> not at all, it is never only about the money
[19:07] <magespawn> been a field guide for 10 years
[19:07] <Kilos> once everything setup you can just ssh it all from the shop or your tablet thing
[19:08] <Kilos> im sure everyone here wishes you all of the best magespawn 
[19:08] <Kilos> night all . sleep tight
[19:09] <inetpro> Kilos: goeie nag oom
[19:09] <magespawn> thanks Kilos 
[19:09] <magespawn> sleep well
[19:41] <magespawn> good night all
[19:44] <theblazehen> night magespawn