[03:05] <Trace1> Hey guys, im having a problem with my external NTFS drive. Some of the files are not showing up in Ubuntu, files that have always been there. But when i plug the drive into my windows machine they are all still there. Any ideas
[03:07] <nerdtron> plug in the drive and ls -lah in the terminal and see if the files are there
[03:11] <Trace1> yes they are there now, i just plugged the drive back in, but usually if i unplug and replug the drive it will work for a few hours then the files disappear agian
[03:15] <Trace1> Ok, i tried another folder and it says input/output error
[03:19] <Trace1> well i guess it doesnt work if i unplug and replig
[03:24] <nerdtron> input/output error did you safely removed it from windows??
[03:24] <nerdtron> and safely umounted/eject in linux?
[03:24] <nerdtron> also plug it in windows and run the check disk of windows....Could be signs of a failing hard drive
[03:25] <Trace1> i did safely remove it from windows but did not unmount from linux, but i can read all the files in windows with no problems
[03:27] <nerdtron> Trace1, even though you can read all the files in windows doesn't necessarily mean everything is ok...
[03:28] <nerdtron> kindly run check disk just to make sujre
[03:28] <Trace1> ok i will go ahead and run the check disc now and start backing stuff up just in case, thanks for all the help, ill be back with the results im sure
[03:35] <nerdtron> backing up is always a good idea...oh and next time, always make sure to umount/eject it xubuntu before you remove the plug
[03:38] <Trace1> this was actually the drive i kept most of my backup on and a few things here and there so luckily no big deal if its lost, running the check disk now but just noticed some files i cannot access in windows. Do you think reformatting could fix the issue or does it seem like the drive is bad?
[03:40] <nerdtron> "some files i cannot access in windows" i think this could be the result of not safely eject in xubuntu...
[03:41] <nerdtron> try formatting the drive again and then run check disk to see any bad sectors
[03:41] <nerdtron> if there are no bad sectors, the drive is still good
[03:41] <Trace1> darn, well i guess thats better news than the drive going bad
[03:41] <Trace1> will give that a shot, thanks again for all the help
[03:42] <nerdtron> maybe some files where just corrupted/ fail to write when you pulled out the external hard drive in ubuntu
[03:43] <Trace1> the files i checked had been on there after being removed from ubuntu before so im sure they were written, im sure they were corrupted when i pulled the plug :/
[08:54] <OndraE> Hello, does anybody have experience with installing Broadcom BCM4318 wlan driver? In my case it crashes kernel - i have 13.04, nut it laso happened in 12.04
[08:56] <cfhowlett> OndraE, how did you install it?
[08:56] <OndraE> in 13.04 throught update manager
[08:56] <cfhowlett> OndraE, and what crash message are you getting?
[08:58] <OndraE> wel its black screen with tons of text and i have to shut down the laptot manually
[08:59] <OndraE> its typical "kernel oops"
[09:01] <cfhowlett> OndraE, and only when firing up the wifi, I trust.  Well, here's an option; download the driver from broadcom, see the README and compile/install manually.  Lot more work, but usually works.http://zh-cn.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php   /// actually search for broadcom linux sta and get the local / non-chinese mirror.
[09:01] <pmjdebruijn> OndraE: did you try the firmawre with the open driver?
[09:01] <pmjdebruijn> proprietary drivers tend to suck
[09:01] <pmjdebruijn> firmware-b43-installer / firmware-b43-lpphy-installer / firmware-b43legacy-installer
[09:01] <OndraE> oh,  I didnt try the open ones
[09:02] <pmjdebruijn> the driver is already there
[09:02] <pmjdebruijn> but it requires firmware which ubuntu isn't allowed to include by default IIRC
[09:02] <pmjdebruijn> so those packages download the firmware files on the fly
[09:06] <OndraE> well i will try the drivers from link cfhowlett provided and will see
[09:15] <pmjdebruijn> like I said, proprietary driver tend to end in tears in the long run :)
[09:16] <OndraE> so that b43legacy is not proprietary? i installed the package now and it didnt crash kesrnel, that is really weird :-D
[09:16] <knome> pmjdebruijn, that's debatable, so i would advise it always does; i've been using proprietary drivers for years and they work well for me
[09:16] <knome> pmjdebruijn, *i wouldn't
[09:17] <pmjdebruijn> they can sometimes :)
[09:17] <pmjdebruijn> but if you take a look there are many issues around those
[09:17] <knome> pmjdebruijn, they can be a lifesaver for some, whose hardware simply refuses to work with the open source drivers properly/adequately
[09:17] <knome> pmjdebruijn, sure, but i still wouldn't advise to never use them
[09:17] <pmjdebruijn> I didn't say that
[09:17] <pmjdebruijn> I said they often end in tears
[09:17] <pmjdebruijn> become they break because of some kernel upgrade or whatever
[09:18] <knome> pmjdebruijn, and that they suck... which is kind of advocating "don't use them"
[09:18] <knome> pmjdebruijn, but i'm fine, just saying.
[09:18] <knome> pmjdebruijn, ultimately, proprietary drivers can be a good debugging tool
[09:18] <OndraE> well i have to go now, i will try setting wifi up later, thx for help!
[09:19] <pmjdebruijn> knome: if there's a open source driver that works, I'd never use a blob driver, really
[09:19] <pmjdebruijn> if there isn't an open driver, or it doesn't work, well, then you don't have much options do you
[09:19] <pmjdebruijn> you're sortof forced too
[09:19] <knome> pmjdebruijn, sure. if the open source driver works...
[09:20] <pmjdebruijn> the "issue" is
[09:20] <pmjdebruijn> many people go install blobs drivers, just because the open driver needs some firwmare, that not allowed to be distributed
[09:20] <pmjdebruijn> so people perceive the open driver is not working
[09:20] <pmjdebruijn> and end up using the blob for no good reason
[09:20] <knome> pmjdebruijn, sure
[09:21] <pmjdebruijn> which is what my suggestion was about
[09:21] <knome> pmjdebruijn, i didn't say you specifically advised not using proprietary drivers
[11:39] <xubuntu656> hello my laptop is booting xubuntu for first time and it is stuck on black screen is this normal?
[11:40] <ObrienDave> Which black screen. GRUB?
[11:41] <Maple__> image/text, please?
[11:41] <ObrienDave> Think he left. :/
[11:41] <bgardner> Elapsed time, one minute.  :P
[11:42] <ObrienDave> No patience anymore.  Sheesh
[12:06] <OndraE> To all, who adviced me few hours ago about broadcom wlan drivers: Thank You! I am using open ones and they work!
[12:07] <pmjdebruijn> great!
[12:07] <pmjdebruijn> my point exactly :)
[12:08] <OndraE> but i read about some problems with higher traffic, it can sometimes crash kernel, so I will see in few minutes
[12:10] <pmjdebruijn> I've been using it with my particular BCM for years now, and it's been quite solid
[12:10] <pmjdebruijn> in the first few month's after my particular BCM was supported sometimes the connection quit
[12:10] <pmjdebruijn> it's been a few years since that's happened to me
[12:10] <pmjdebruijn> as the driver is continuosly improved
[12:10] <pmjdebruijn> OndraE: so in the end, it all depends on how recent your BCM chip is :)
[12:10] <pmjdebruijn> older chips tend to work great
[12:11] <pmjdebruijn> really bleeding edge ones tend to work less great
[12:11] <OndraE> well this Acer Aspire 5100 is really old piece of iron
[12:13] <OndraE> downloading updates  and still no problem
[12:13] <pmjdebruijn> right, so it's likely to work well
[14:03] <Riccardone> Hi all, I recently installed a Xubuntu 13.04 but apt-get update fails, but navigation is ok ... some advices ?
[14:04] <Unit193> Can you pastebin.com the output?
[14:04] <Riccardone> Unit193: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6062747/
[14:05] <Riccardone> Unit193: I am under proxy ...
[14:05] <GridCube> ipv6?
[14:05] <Riccardone> GridCube: No, absolutely ...
[14:05] <Riccardone> I can't understand in fact ...
[14:05] <Unit193> It's trying some IPv6 addresses.  http_proxy=http:myproxy:port sudo apt-get update   work?
[14:07] <Riccardone> Unit193: i must pass this command ?
[14:07] <GridCube> http://askubuntu.com/questions/150210/how-do-i-set-systemwide-proxy-servers-in-xubuntu-lubuntu-or-ubuntu-studio
[14:07] <GridCube> Riccardone,  that worked for me ^^
[14:07] <Unit193> Connection refused on all IPv4 addresses.  Well, does  wget -qO- http://ifconfig.me/ip work?
[14:08] <Riccardone> GridCube: I'v read yet that guide but didn't work ...
[14:09] <Riccardone> Unit193: yes
[15:05] <yeyeman> is there a setting to change underscan? I have a black boarder around the desktop
[15:06] <yeyeman> as in it doesn't max out to fit the monitor
[15:08] <TheSheep> yeyeman: try playing with xrandr
[15:40] <yeyeman> can I get more themes for the desktop appearance / window manager
[15:40] <yeyeman> the preinstalled ones are kind of bad
[15:41] <yeyeman> I mean they are functional and so on
[15:41] <yeyeman> but they look as if they are made by a programmer, not a designer :D
[15:54] <TheSheep> yeyeman: yeah, try xfce-look.org
[16:38] <rosemball> does the xubuntu installer support AF 4k?
[16:40] <pmjdebruijn> no clue
[16:40] <pmjdebruijn> probably
[16:41] <pmjdebruijn> http://superuser.com/questions/148964/how-to-properly-install-wd-advanced-format-drive-in-ubuntu-as-2nd-hdd
[16:41] <pmjdebruijn> it's basically the same issue as with SSDs
[16:41] <pmjdebruijn> so I don't think it should be an issue newer newer versions
[16:43] <pmjdebruijn> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Advanced_Format#Check_your_partitions_alignment
[16:43] <pmjdebruijn> so I'm not sure, but I'd be surprised if it would be an issue for 12.04 and higher
[16:50] <rosemball> ok
[16:50] <rosemball> thanks]
[16:53] <rosemball> if one is writing the install image to a usb drive (lets say sdb) would dd if=image.iso of=/dev/sdb suffice or bs=4M (or other sizes commonly found in the internet) is a better option?
[16:54] <Sysi> setting bs might speed copying up a notch, otherly it won't matter
[16:55] <Sysi> if you want to view progress, use ddrescue
[16:57] <pmjdebruijn> kill -SIGUSR1 dd-process works too :D
[16:57] <pmjdebruijn> IIRC
[16:58] <Sysi> you can also use pv but ddrescue is small and easy
[17:11] <rosemball> thanks very much
[18:04] <DrH> anyone know how to disable from switching workspaces when you drag a window to the edge (so that snapping/tiling works properly)
[18:07] <pmjdebruijn> DrH: did you check both window manager options in the settings panel
[18:07] <TheSheep> DrH: window manager -> advanced -> wrap workspaces when dragging a window off the screen
[18:07] <DrH> Settings > Window Manager > Advanced
[18:07] <DrH> literally just found it
[18:12] <DrH> one more issue, how can i make it so when i double click the titlebar of a application it maximizes it?
[18:12] <DrH> there seems to be a setting in Settings > Window Manager > Advanced that looks like it does that but it does nothing
[18:14] <TheSheep> DrH: it does that
[18:14] <DrH> Weird, it doesn't seem to be working for me :\
[18:17] <DrH> eh not a big deal
[18:18] <elfy> have to say I've never managed to get the titlebar to do anything much for me
[18:18] <knome> it shows the title, aye? :P
[18:19] <elfy> about that - and I can get it to rollup
[18:19] <Unit193> Alt+Scroll wheel.
[18:19] <knome> Unit193, that's eww
[18:20] <elfy> that's not useful - if I didn't want to see something I'd just roll it up :)
[18:20] <Unit193> knome: That's fun!  "Hey, where'd the window go?  I can almost see it..."
[18:20] <knome> we're getting offtopic
[18:24] <TiZ> Hi. I'm trying to customize some gtk3 theme settings with .config/gtk-3.0/gtk.css, but it seems like the file is being ignored. What can I do to fix this?
[18:26] <knome> TiZ, are you sure the applications you are using are using gtk3?
[18:31] <TiZ> knome: Yeah. I'm opening gtk3 applications specifically to test it, such as file-roller and gcalctool.
[18:31] <knome> TiZ, i wouldn't say there's any reason why it would be ignored
[18:32] <TiZ> Right now, the only thing I have in gtk.css is * { margin: 3px; } just to make sure it's being opened
[18:32] <TiZ> You'd think there'd be an obnoxious 3px margin around every widget with this, but I'm not seeing it.
[18:33] <knome> TiZ, you know gtk css is not like real css?
[18:34] <TiZ> knome: I'm vaguely aware of that... I took a look at Greybird's css code to check it, and I think my code checks out.
[18:35] <Unit193> You do have to select another them, then go back at times to pick up changes.
[18:35] <TiZ> Right, that's what I've been doing.
[19:53] <yeyeman> All I want is for gedit to have matching word highlighting
[19:53] <yeyeman> sob sob..
[19:54] <Sysi> you could try geany
[19:58] <well_laid_lawn> or vim
[20:24] <yeyeman> Where is the setting for the font of desktop icons? They have a double font thing going on making the text look blurred
[20:25] <yeyeman> I think it's supposed to look like a shadow
[20:25] <yeyeman> but the way I have everything set up it just looks blurry
[20:29] <yeyeman> it's as if the text is there twice, but just 1 px apart
[21:34] <yeyeman> using the blackbird theme, the background color and font color of text in the youtube comment text field are the same :D
[21:37] <yeyeman> this negatively impacts my ability to post my insightful and clever responses there