[01:50] ::workspace-bugs:: [1220967] The new Network Manager applet does not connect after WEP password @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1220967 (by Marco Parillo) [06:13] good morning [06:17] Is there KDevelop 4.5.1 in Kubuntu Backports? === 6JTAAJ8H9 is now known as Toscalix [09:40] cff: yes [09:41] seaLne: thanks, I think I had the wrong backports repo, i.e. for the previous Kubuntu version and it was deactivated when I did an upgrade, that's why I couldn't find it [09:41] you can also look in https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/+packages [12:05] 'Morning folks === smartboyhw changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | https://trello.com/kubuntu | https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas 4.11.1 saucy/ninjas 4.11.0 saucy/archive raring/backports precise/ninjas | 13.10 milestoned bugs tagged Kubuntu http://goo.gl/vHRjj | build status http://goo.gl/cjEFkO | http://www.kubuntu.org/news/commercial-support | 13.10 Beta 1 to be released today [12:30] srsly, no one looking at getting 4.11.1 out? [12:30] :< [12:38] soee: raring 4.11.1 in ninjas is ready [12:38] I think you wanted to test right> [12:40] shadeslayer, you can get it out, the block is lifted [12:41] smartboyhw: someone needs to QA [12:41] * smartboyhw has no bandwidth to QA:( [12:41] shadeslayer, wait, you mean Saucy or Raring? [12:41] * shadeslayer is listening to Queen to get his brain running [12:41] lol [12:42] specifically this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgzGwKwLmgM [12:43] shadeslayer, im at work now, on raring but i wont risk broking system here :) ill test at home [12:43] soee: np [12:43] someone needs to automate testing [12:43] with kvm / virtualbox / whatever [12:45] * smartboyhw nominates shadeslayer [12:46] shadeslayer: could be done with ec2 [12:46] hmmmmm [12:46] maybe [12:47] * yofel upgrades saucy === apol__ is now known as apol [13:38] yofel, what's your ninja ppa again ?, some it got lost in my sources.list [13:38] somehow [13:38] BluesKaj: pm [13:39] yup [13:39] Good afternoon. [13:39] Riddell, have you finished all your edits on the Release notes now? Any gotcha's still lurking from Kubuntu's perspective? [13:39] thanks yofel [13:42] skaet: good question, which release notes? [13:42] Riddell, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/Beta1/Kubuntu [13:42] have seen you've made some edits, and they look reasonable, so just checking nothing else left to do === apol_ is now known as apol [13:45] skaet: yeah those ones are good [13:46] skaet: is there a draft of the announcement? [13:46] Riddell, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/Beta1/Announce [13:47] Review passes on it welcome. :-) [13:48] skaet: groovy, fixed an "an" [13:48] apachelogger: remind me the conclusion of the about system discussion? was it going in kickoff? [13:48] Riddell, ta. [13:55] ok yofel , kde upgrade is done ...wish me luck , going to reboot [13:58] hm, for me it's removing plasma-widgets-addons [13:58] * yofel rebuilds kdeplasma-addons [14:03] http://www.it-muenchen-blog.de/2013/09/debian-kubuntu-bug-squashing-party-2013/ ta da! [14:04] Ooh [14:10] shadeslayer, yofel , looking good for kde 4.11.1 so far [14:11] BluesKaj, greato [14:12] Riddell: will you be coming? [14:13] shadeslayer: to munich? yeah I hope so [14:13] yep, munich [14:13] okay [14:14] * shadeslayer is unsure at the moment, travelling to Berlin early october === Darkwing_ is now known as Darkwing [14:15] Darkwing, hello:) [14:15] Good morning :) [14:15] 'Morning Darkwing [14:16] How is everything in Kubu Land? [14:16] upgrading the desktop , guess i should on the test drive too [14:16] gosh it's a Darkwing [14:17] Darkwing: everything is sweetness and light [14:17] bbiab [14:17] Riddell: :D Nice. [14:18] I've been playing with other stuff but, I think I'll end up back to Kubuntu... I've tried to make other things work but... It's just not the same anymore. [14:18] Darkwing: ooh interesting and nice to hear [14:18] Darkwing, we're soon going to release 13.10 Beat 1 [14:18] *Beta [14:19] I've run Fedora KDE and openSuse for the last couple months. [14:19] Darkwing: what sort of things work for us but less so for the competition? [14:19] Darkwing, see? You can't leave Kubuntu. It's an addictive disease:P [14:19] backend stability [14:19] Darkwing, great:) [14:19] I mean, openSuse sank on dual moniter [14:20] So, I can't run it on my desktop and only on lappy [14:20] fedora was... a pain to do anything. [14:20] Darkwing, that's why Kubuntu is greatness [14:20] It's snappier but, to add anything and get backend working the way I needed it to took 4 days of tweaking [14:21] and yum plain... suck [14:22] So, I have another project I'm working on so, I'm not returning to Kubuntu development just yet due to time... [14:22] http://igg.me/at/podfiber is what I'm spending my devel time on. [14:22] Darkwing, when you got any time, come back:) [14:23] I'm going to download Kubuntu 13.10 and flip my system :D [14:23] Well, if it succeeds, at least Darkwing is better than Canonical:P [14:23] LOL [14:24] I love how they kept spinning it when they realized it was going to fail [14:35] The beta1 images good right? [14:35] Darkwing: I've marked them as good for release yes, but more testing is welcome :) [14:36] I'll run them on my desktop and laptop. :D [14:36] * Darkwing is done with yum and rodhat and suse based systems [14:38] Riddell: looking at the wifi issues right now, [14:38] beta1 and kde 4.11.1 are humming along [14:38] Riddell: do you get to reliably connect to wifi from a plasma session? [14:39] agateau: I'll take a look when I install here shortly. [14:40] Darkwing: thanks. Something like one time out of ten. When it fails, it just sits there after clicking the "Connect" button, doing nothing [14:40] but that's in a VM, which may be the cause (not sure) [14:41] give me a few, it's finishing DLing now [14:41] agateau: yes all fine in a full plasma session [14:43] Riddell: I also noticed Ubiquity wireless step does not connect here: I get a crash because of a permission error. I am not talking about oem-config, just plain install in vm [14:45] agateau: I only tested oem-config in a vm so that might be related [14:45] when I run virtualbox it gets a "wired" connection and network manager finds that so the wireless part of ubiquity was never showed [14:46] but in oem-config and ubiquity --only network manager isn't running so it crashes [14:47] Riddell: what I do to test in vm is to "unplug" the wired connection cable and use a usb wireless dongle [14:48] agateau: which vm do you use? [14:52] Riddell: virtualbox [14:52] with the proprietary stuff to be able to use usb devices [14:52] agateau: ok same as me, I must explore more options [14:54] quick off the mark http://news.softpedia.com/news/Kubuntu-13-10-Beta-1-Uses-Linux-Kernel-3-11-and-KDE-4-11-380643.shtml [14:54] Riddell, :) [14:54] Technically, it hasn't been released though [14:55] I think we need to remind Softpedia [14:55] right, especially quick given it hasn't been announced [14:57] smartboyhw: they probably found the announce wiki page which doesn't have any embargo on it [14:57] Riddell, hmm [14:57] well, cdimage is also up [14:58] * shadeslayer seeds [14:58] shadeslayer, they are still testing the links and finishing up the release announcement and notes [14:58] its quite impressive how good kubuntu is considering according to softpedia it only took a few months effort (http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Operating-Systems/Linux-Distributions/Kubuntu-Saucy-Salamander-100450.shtml) [14:58] yeah that's normal and always the case, got to mirror it before announcing [14:59] ^^ [14:59] seaLne: lol [15:07] LOL https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/102786751626732213960/albums/5920153445803139617/5920153451677973842?authkey=CKDQ8tbbxYSXGA [15:07] (From G+) [15:07] * smartboyhw almost rolled down from his chair for this:P [15:25] People: Here's the situation of KLyDE: THey are planning a preview release weeks after now (with 4.11.1 running), but they themselves will be maintaining their own Debian/Ubuntu repository via openSUSE's OBS service [15:30] The source will be available for us to package [15:31] smartboyhw: who's they? it's will from suse isn't it? [15:31] Riddell, not exactly [15:31] The original Cloverleaf Linux (a.k.a. post-Fuduntu team) took over [15:44] xnox: ping [15:51] Riddell: do you know what starts ubiquity at livecd boot, rather than plasma? [15:53] Riddell: regarding KLyDE we should maybe ask them to host the source in a git repo ( maybe even on git.kde.org ) and then we can package releases of it, or provide daily builds via recipes [15:59] agateau: ubiquity-dm does [16:00] Riddell: I can't get it to start. I am trying with "sudo start ubiquity-dm" but it fails [16:00] Riddell: and it's strange that the upstart script mentions starting it using the "ubuntu" user, which does not exist on a kubuntu install [16:01] errr "sudo start ubiquity" [16:01] but do switch to tty1, stop lightdm and kill any remainging X servers [16:01] agateau: is this a live image? there's things ona live image not on an installed system [16:01] Riddell: yes, it's a live image [16:02] Riddell: I already shut down lightdm and X [16:02] the ubuntu user is called kubuntu on kubuntu CDs [16:02] Riddell: sure there is loads =) we do remove a bunch of packages from target at the end of the ubiquity install. [16:03] Riddell: sure the ubuntu user is called kubuntu, but here the ubiquity.conf scripts refers to "ubuntu" [16:07] Oh looking at the code it seems the name can be overridden by casper [16:07] explains things [16:07] but still I'd love to be able to try my stuff since rebooting is going to trash it [16:07] :/ [16:18] agateau: you can try a persistent partition, seems like a bit of a last resort [16:19] Riddell: I just figured out a workaround: starting ubiquity-dm by hand. But that required changing it because it was defaulting to the gtk ui (my fault) [16:20] mm maybe that's what I remember doing when I tried it [16:20] Riddell: anyway, I was able to check that wireless setup from within ubiquity-dm worked back in july, [16:20] Riddell: but does not work as of today [16:21] Riddell: so something broke in between [16:33] !testers | libdvdcss from upstream http://www.videolan.org/developers/libdvdcss.html [16:33] hmm [16:33] no ubotu [16:38] xnox: does this ring a bell to you? http://agateau.com/tmp//ubiquity-wifi-crash.png [16:38] xnox: this is with iso from this morning [16:39] agateau: if it works from => try kubuntu => launch ubiquity, it's most likely the bug that ubiquity-dm does not setup a logind session & thus can no longer let mere mortals control network manager. [16:39] as consolekit integration in ubiquity-dm and in ubuntu is gone. [16:39] and only logind is supported in the archive, but not ubiquity yet. [16:39] xnox: interesting, going to check that [16:40] xnox: does this also affect the gtk frontend? [16:40] yes. [16:41] it does work when ubiquity is started from a desktop session [16:42] agateau: than it's something else. [16:42] agateau: maybe something like policykit blocking it? [16:43] xnox: ? I just said it works when going "try kubuntu => launch ubiquity" [16:43] I also switched ubiquity to use pkexec instead of sudo/gnome-sudo/kde-su, which may be clearning to much environment. [16:43] agateau: it should, it does on gtk side. [16:43] now I am confused. [16:44] you're saying wifi works on the gtk side, even when ubiquity is running as a dm? [16:44] no, only from "try ubuntu => launch ubiquity" [16:44] ok, so we have the same problem with kubuntu [16:45] Riddell: ubottu doesn't like URLs with factoids (spam protection) [16:47] xnox: could Riddell oem-config bug 1220193 be caused by the same problem? [16:47] bug 1220193 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity kde frontend crash setting up wireless when ubiquity only or oem-config" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1220193 [17:00] * agateau has to go [17:42] Riddell: I see you pushed a patch to kde-workspace in bzr [17:42] Riddell: but nothing in the ninjas PPA [19:06] are there any Alt images for 13.04 for a software raid? [19:07] all I can find post Precise is desktop images [19:13] shadeslayer, so 4.11.1 raring ready to test ? [19:13] soee_ninja: yes [19:17] hmm using muon to change repositories list [19:18] just reloads list nothing more [19:19] shadeslayer, can you give me ninjas ppa details ? [19:22] moment [19:23] soee_ninja: see PM [19:26] Darkwing: use mini.iso or server cd and choose desktop task (e.g. ubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop, etc as needed) [19:26] shadeslayer, packages to be removed: kde-window-manager kde-workspace kubuntu-desktop libtaskmanager4abi4 [19:27] soee_ninja: what are you using to upgrade [19:27] sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [19:27] ah hmm [19:27] sec [19:28] libtaskmanager4abi4 being removed is fine [19:28] I don't know why kde-window-manager wants to be removed [19:29] nor do i :) [19:29] can you run with the debug resolver? [19:29] soee_ninja: sudo apt-get -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true dist-upgrade [19:29] and then pastebin the output [19:30] shadeslayer, http://pastebin.com/yruhX38u [19:31] what Removing kde-window-manager:amd64 rather than change libkdecorations4abi1:amd64 [19:32] i do not know [19:32] yofel: ^^ [19:34] shadeslayer, sorry my fault :<> [19:34] i tun it on saucy [19:34] *run [19:34] heh [19:34] wait ill switch to raring :D [19:36] Got an email from KDE bug 324002 ( systemsettings, opening input devices crashes) with a comment from Hugo Pereira Da Costa, saying "code crashes in qobject_cast. Analysing the backtrace, it must be that widget: 0x1db1f50 for which sizehints is called is invalid. this has to be an upstream (Qt) or downstream (the python module) bug. Not oxygen. Sorry." ...for those working on this issue. [19:36] KDE bug 324002 in style "System settings panel crashes upon attempts to access input devices" [Crash,Resolved: waitingforinfo] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=324002 [20:20] shadeslayer, no errors while upgrading on raring, rebooting laptop now [20:20] are there packages for raring ready ? [20:20] ::qt-bugs:: [1200523] Some of the kubuntu patches break plasma @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1200523 (by karaluh) [20:21] soee_ninja: awesome [20:21] ican we some day expect [20:22] that booting screen will work with propriety drivers ? [20:23] reboot went fine :) [20:23] raring cool [20:57] ScottK: thanks for moving qt to updates, the other qt sru is in the queue. [20:58] Cool. Thanks. [21:00] Accepted. [21:25] ::qt-bugs:: [1180067] No icons on buttons @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1180067 (by GamePad64)