[01:50] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1220967] The new Network Manager applet does not connect after WEP password @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1220967 (by Marco Parillo)
[06:13] <soee> good morning
[06:17] <cff> Is there KDevelop 4.5.1 in Kubuntu Backports?
[09:40] <seaLne> cff: yes
[09:41] <cff> seaLne: thanks, I think I had the wrong backports repo, i.e. for the previous Kubuntu version and it was deactivated when I did an upgrade, that's why I couldn't find it
[09:41] <Riddell> you can also look in https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/+packages
[12:05] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[12:30] <shadeslayer> srsly, no one looking at getting 4.11.1 out?
[12:30] <shadeslayer> :<
[12:38] <shadeslayer> soee: raring 4.11.1 in ninjas is ready
[12:38] <shadeslayer> I think you wanted to test right>
[12:40] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, you can get it out, the block is lifted
[12:41] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: someone needs to QA
[12:41]  * smartboyhw has no bandwidth to QA:(
[12:41] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, wait, you mean Saucy or Raring?
[12:41]  * shadeslayer is listening to Queen to get his brain running
[12:41] <smartboyhw> lol
[12:42] <shadeslayer> specifically this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgzGwKwLmgM
[12:43] <soee> shadeslayer, im at work now, on raring but i wont risk broking system here :) ill test at home
[12:43] <shadeslayer> soee: np
[12:43] <shadeslayer> someone needs to automate testing
[12:43] <shadeslayer> with kvm / virtualbox / whatever
[12:45]  * smartboyhw nominates shadeslayer 
[12:46] <Riddell> shadeslayer: could be done with ec2
[12:46] <shadeslayer> hmmmmm
[12:46] <shadeslayer> maybe
[12:47]  * yofel upgrades saucy
[13:38] <BluesKaj> yofel, what's your ninja ppa again ?, some it got lost in my sources.list
[13:38] <BluesKaj> somehow
[13:38] <yofel> BluesKaj: pm
[13:39] <BluesKaj> yup 
[13:39] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[13:39] <skaet> Riddell,  have you finished all your edits on the Release notes now?   Any gotcha's still lurking from Kubuntu's perspective?
[13:39] <BluesKaj> thanks yofel
[13:42] <Riddell> skaet: good question, which release notes?
[13:42] <skaet> Riddell, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/Beta1/Kubuntu  
[13:42] <skaet> have seen you've made some edits, and they look reasonable, so just checking nothing else left to do
[13:45] <Riddell> skaet: yeah those ones are good
[13:46] <Riddell> skaet: is there a draft of the announcement?
[13:46] <skaet> Riddell, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/Beta1/Announce 
[13:47] <skaet> Review passes on it welcome.  :-)
[13:48] <Riddell> skaet: groovy, fixed an "an"
[13:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: remind me the conclusion of the about system discussion?  was it going in kickoff?
[13:48] <skaet> Riddell,  ta.
[13:55] <BluesKaj> ok yofel , kde upgrade is done ...wish me luck , going to reboot 
[13:58] <yofel> hm, for me it's removing plasma-widgets-addons
[13:58]  * yofel rebuilds kdeplasma-addons
[14:03] <Riddell> http://www.it-muenchen-blog.de/2013/09/debian-kubuntu-bug-squashing-party-2013/  ta da!
[14:04] <smartboyhw> Ooh
[14:10] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, yofel , looking good for kde 4.11.1 so far 
[14:11] <smartboyhw> BluesKaj, greato
[14:12] <shadeslayer> Riddell: will you be coming?
[14:13] <Riddell> shadeslayer: to munich? yeah I hope so
[14:13] <shadeslayer> yep, munich
[14:13] <shadeslayer> okay
[14:14]  * shadeslayer is unsure at the moment, travelling to Berlin early october
[14:15] <smartboyhw> Darkwing, hello:)
[14:15] <Darkwing> Good morning :)
[14:15] <BluesKaj> 'Morning Darkwing
[14:16] <Darkwing> How is everything in Kubu Land?
[14:16] <BluesKaj> upgrading the desktop , guess i should on the test drive too
[14:16] <Riddell> gosh it's a Darkwing 
[14:17] <Riddell> Darkwing: everything is sweetness and light
[14:17] <BluesKaj> bbiab
[14:17] <Darkwing> Riddell: :D Nice. 
[14:18] <Darkwing> I've been playing with other stuff but, I think I'll end up back to Kubuntu... I've tried to make other things work but... It's just not the same anymore.
[14:18] <Riddell> Darkwing: ooh interesting and nice to hear
[14:18] <smartboyhw> Darkwing, we're soon going to release 13.10 Beat 1
[14:18] <smartboyhw> *Beta
[14:19] <Darkwing> I've run Fedora KDE and openSuse for the last couple months.
[14:19] <Riddell> Darkwing: what sort of things work for us but less so for the competition?
[14:19] <smartboyhw> Darkwing, see? You can't leave Kubuntu. It's an addictive disease:P
[14:19] <Darkwing> backend stability
[14:19] <smartboyhw> Darkwing, great:)
[14:19] <Darkwing> I mean, openSuse sank on dual moniter
[14:20] <Darkwing> So, I can't run it on my desktop and only on lappy
[14:20] <Darkwing> fedora was... a pain to do anything.
[14:20] <smartboyhw> Darkwing, that's why Kubuntu is greatness
[14:20] <Darkwing> It's snappier but, to add anything and get backend working the way I needed it to took 4 days of tweaking
[14:21] <Darkwing> and yum plain... suck
[14:22] <Darkwing> So, I have another project I'm working on so, I'm not returning to Kubuntu development just yet due to time...
[14:22] <Darkwing> http://igg.me/at/podfiber is what I'm spending my devel time on.
[14:22] <smartboyhw> Darkwing, when you got any time, come back:)
[14:23] <Darkwing> I'm going to download Kubuntu 13.10 and flip my system :D
[14:23] <smartboyhw> Well, if it succeeds, at least Darkwing is better than Canonical:P
[14:23] <Darkwing> LOL
[14:24] <Darkwing> I love how they kept spinning it when they realized it was going to fail
[14:35] <Darkwing> The beta1 images good right?
[14:35] <Riddell> Darkwing: I've marked them as good for release yes, but more testing is welcome :)
[14:36] <Darkwing> I'll run them on my desktop and laptop. :D
[14:36]  * Darkwing is done with yum and rodhat and suse based systems
[14:38] <agateau> Riddell: looking at the wifi issues right now,
[14:38] <BluesKaj> beta1 and kde 4.11.1 are humming along 
[14:38] <agateau> Riddell: do you get to reliably connect to wifi from a plasma session?
[14:39] <Darkwing> agateau: I'll take a look when I install here shortly.
[14:40] <agateau> Darkwing: thanks. Something like one time out of ten. When it fails, it just sits there after clicking the "Connect" button, doing nothing
[14:40] <agateau> but that's in a VM, which may be the cause (not sure)
[14:41] <Darkwing> give me a few, it's finishing DLing now
[14:41] <Riddell> agateau: yes all fine in a full plasma session
[14:43] <agateau> Riddell: I also noticed Ubiquity wireless step does not connect here: I get a crash because of a permission error. I am not talking about oem-config, just plain install in vm
[14:45] <Riddell> agateau: I only tested oem-config in a vm so that might be related
[14:45] <Riddell> when I run virtualbox it gets a "wired" connection and network manager finds that so the wireless part of ubiquity was never showed
[14:46] <Riddell> but in oem-config and ubiquity --only network manager isn't running so it crashes
[14:47] <agateau> Riddell: what I do to test in vm is to "unplug" the wired connection cable and use a usb wireless dongle
[14:48] <Riddell> agateau: which vm do you use?
[14:52] <agateau> Riddell: virtualbox
[14:52] <agateau> with the proprietary stuff to be able to use usb devices
[14:52] <Riddell> agateau: ok same as me, I must explore more options
[14:54] <Riddell> quick off the mark http://news.softpedia.com/news/Kubuntu-13-10-Beta-1-Uses-Linux-Kernel-3-11-and-KDE-4-11-380643.shtml
[14:54] <smartboyhw> Riddell, :)
[14:54] <smartboyhw> Technically, it hasn't been released though
[14:55] <smartboyhw> I think we need to remind Softpedia
[14:55] <Riddell> right, especially quick given it hasn't been announced
[14:57] <Riddell> smartboyhw: they probably found the announce wiki page which doesn't have any embargo on it
[14:57] <smartboyhw> Riddell, hmm
[14:57] <shadeslayer> well, cdimage is also up
[14:58]  * shadeslayer seeds
[14:58] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, they are still testing the links and finishing up the release announcement and notes
[14:58] <seaLne> its quite impressive how good kubuntu is considering according to softpedia it only took a few months effort (http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Operating-Systems/Linux-Distributions/Kubuntu-Saucy-Salamander-100450.shtml)
[14:58] <Riddell> yeah that's normal and always the case, got to mirror it before announcing
[14:59] <shadeslayer> ^^
[14:59] <shadeslayer> seaLne: lol
[15:07] <smartboyhw> LOL https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/102786751626732213960/albums/5920153445803139617/5920153451677973842?authkey=CKDQ8tbbxYSXGA
[15:07] <smartboyhw> (From G+)
[15:07]  * smartboyhw almost rolled down from his chair for this:P
[15:25] <smartboyhw> People: Here's the situation of KLyDE: THey are planning a preview release weeks after now (with 4.11.1 running), but they themselves will be maintaining their own Debian/Ubuntu repository via openSUSE's OBS service
[15:30] <smartboyhw> The source will be available for us to package
[15:31] <Riddell> smartboyhw: who's they?  it's will from suse isn't it?
[15:31] <smartboyhw> Riddell, not exactly
[15:31] <smartboyhw> The original Cloverleaf Linux (a.k.a. post-Fuduntu team) took over
[15:44] <agateau> xnox: ping
[15:51] <agateau> Riddell: do you know what starts ubiquity at livecd boot, rather than plasma?
[15:53] <shadeslayer> Riddell: regarding KLyDE we should maybe ask them to host the source in a git repo ( maybe even on git.kde.org ) and then we can package releases of it, or provide daily builds via recipes
[15:59] <Riddell> agateau: ubiquity-dm does
[16:00] <agateau> Riddell: I can't get it to start. I am trying with "sudo start ubiquity-dm" but it fails
[16:00] <agateau> Riddell: and it's strange that the upstart script mentions starting it using the "ubuntu" user, which does not exist on a kubuntu install
[16:01] <agateau> errr "sudo start ubiquity"
[16:01] <xnox> but do switch to tty1, stop lightdm and kill any remainging X servers
[16:01] <Riddell> agateau: is this a live image? there's things ona live image not on an installed system
[16:01] <agateau> Riddell: yes, it's a live image
[16:02] <agateau> Riddell: I already shut down lightdm and X
[16:02] <Riddell> the ubuntu user is called kubuntu on kubuntu CDs
[16:02] <xnox> Riddell: sure there is loads =) we do remove a bunch of packages from target at the end of the ubiquity install.
[16:03] <agateau> Riddell: sure the ubuntu user is called kubuntu, but here the ubiquity.conf scripts refers to "ubuntu"
[16:07] <agateau> Oh looking at the code it seems the name can be overridden by casper
[16:07] <agateau> explains things
[16:07] <agateau> but still I'd love to be able to try my stuff since rebooting is going to trash it
[16:07] <agateau> :/
[16:18] <Riddell> agateau: you can try a persistent partition, seems like a bit of a last resort
[16:19] <agateau> Riddell: I just figured out a workaround: starting ubiquity-dm by hand. But that required changing it because it was defaulting to the gtk ui (my fault)
[16:20] <Riddell> mm maybe that's what I remember doing when I tried it
[16:20] <agateau> Riddell: anyway, I was able to check that wireless setup from within ubiquity-dm worked back in july,
[16:20] <agateau> Riddell: but does not work as of today
[16:21] <agateau> Riddell: so something broke in between
[16:33] <Riddell> !testers | libdvdcss from upstream http://www.videolan.org/developers/libdvdcss.html
[16:33] <Riddell> hmm
[16:33] <Riddell> no ubotu
[16:38] <agateau> xnox: does this ring a bell to you? http://agateau.com/tmp//ubiquity-wifi-crash.png
[16:38] <agateau> xnox: this is with iso from this morning
[16:39] <xnox> agateau: if it works from => try kubuntu => launch ubiquity, it's most likely the bug that ubiquity-dm does not setup a logind session & thus can no longer let mere mortals control network manager.
[16:39] <xnox> as consolekit integration in ubiquity-dm and in ubuntu is gone.
[16:39] <xnox> and only logind is supported in the archive, but not ubiquity yet.
[16:39] <agateau> xnox: interesting, going to check that
[16:40] <agateau> xnox: does this also affect the gtk frontend?
[16:40] <xnox> yes.
[16:41] <agateau> it does work when ubiquity is started from a desktop session
[16:42] <xnox> agateau: than it's something else.
[16:42] <xnox> agateau: maybe something like policykit blocking it?
[16:43] <agateau> xnox: ? I just said it works when going "try kubuntu => launch ubiquity"
[16:43] <xnox> I also switched ubiquity to use pkexec instead of sudo/gnome-sudo/kde-su, which may be clearning to much environment.
[16:43] <xnox> agateau: it should, it does on gtk side.
[16:43] <agateau> now I am confused.
[16:44] <agateau> you're saying wifi works on the gtk side, even when ubiquity is running as a dm?
[16:44] <xnox> no, only from "try ubuntu => launch ubiquity"
[16:44] <agateau> ok, so we have the same problem with kubuntu
[16:45] <tsimpson> Riddell: ubottu doesn't like URLs with factoids (spam protection)
[16:47] <agateau> xnox: could Riddell oem-config bug 1220193 be caused by the same problem?
[17:00]  * agateau has to go
[17:42] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I see you pushed a patch to kde-workspace in bzr
[17:42] <shadeslayer> Riddell: but nothing in the ninjas PPA
[19:06] <Darkwing> are there any Alt images for 13.04 for a software raid?
[19:07] <Darkwing> all I can find post Precise is desktop images
[19:13] <soee_ninja> shadeslayer, so 4.11.1 raring ready to test ?
[19:13] <shadeslayer> soee_ninja: yes
[19:17] <soee_ninja> hmm using muon to change repositories list
[19:18] <soee_ninja> just reloads list nothing more
[19:19] <soee_ninja> shadeslayer, can you give me ninjas ppa details ?
[19:22] <shadeslayer> moment
[19:23] <shadeslayer> soee_ninja: see PM
[19:26] <xnox> Darkwing: use mini.iso or server cd and choose desktop task (e.g. ubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop, etc as needed)
[19:26] <soee_ninja> shadeslayer, packages to be removed: kde-window-manager kde-workspace kubuntu-desktop libtaskmanager4abi4
[19:27] <shadeslayer> soee_ninja: what are you using to upgrade
[19:27] <soee_ninja> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:27] <shadeslayer> ah hmm 
[19:27] <shadeslayer> sec
[19:28] <shadeslayer> libtaskmanager4abi4 being removed is fine
[19:28] <shadeslayer> I don't know why kde-window-manager wants to be removed
[19:29] <soee_ninja> nor do i :)
[19:29] <shadeslayer> can you run with the debug resolver?
[19:29] <shadeslayer> soee_ninja: sudo apt-get -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true  dist-upgrade
[19:29] <shadeslayer> and then pastebin the output
[19:30] <soee_ninja> shadeslayer, http://pastebin.com/yruhX38u
[19:31] <shadeslayer> what   Removing kde-window-manager:amd64 rather than change libkdecorations4abi1:amd64
[19:32] <soee_ninja> i do not know
[19:32] <shadeslayer> yofel: ^^
[19:34] <soee_ninja> shadeslayer, sorry my fault :<>
[19:34] <soee_ninja> i tun it on saucy
[19:34] <soee_ninja> *run
[19:34] <shadeslayer> heh
[19:34] <soee_ninja> wait ill switch to raring :D
[19:36] <genii> Got an email from KDE bug 324002 ( systemsettings, opening input devices crashes) with a comment from Hugo Pereira Da Costa, saying "code crashes in qobject_cast. Analysing the backtrace, it must be that widget: 0x1db1f50 for which sizehints is called is invalid. this has to be an upstream (Qt) or downstream (the python module) bug. Not oxygen. Sorry."  ...for those working on this issue.
[20:20] <soee_ninja> shadeslayer, no errors while upgrading on raring, rebooting  laptop now
[20:20] <soee_ninja> are there packages for raring ready ?
[20:20] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1200523] Some of the kubuntu patches break plasma @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1200523 (by karaluh)
[20:21] <shadeslayer> soee_ninja: awesome
[20:21] <soee_ninja> ican we some day expect
[20:22] <soee_ninja> that booting screen will work with propriety drivers ?
[20:23] <soee_ninja> reboot went fine :)
[20:23] <soee_ninja> raring cool
[20:57] <debfx> ScottK: thanks for moving qt to updates, the other qt sru is in the queue.
[20:58] <ScottK> Cool.  Thanks.
[21:00] <ScottK> Accepted.
[21:25] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1180067] No icons on buttons @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1180067 (by GamePad64)