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czajkowskibeuno: cprofitt YokoZar ping16:59
cprofitthello17:00
YokoZarHello :)17:00
czajkowskiI'll chair17:01
czajkowski#startmeeting17:01
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czajkowskiAloha and welcome to this months Community Council meeting where we meet with the LoCo Council17:01
coolbhavihello CC :)17:01
czajkowskiso who is here from the LC ?17:01
* coolbhavi lifts his hands up!17:02
cprofitthello coolbhavi17:02
PabloRubianesHere czajkowski17:02
cprofitthello PabloRubianes17:02
coolbhavihello cprofitt17:02
PabloRubianeshi cprofitt17:02
SergioMeneseshi CC!17:03
* SergioMeneses hugs cprofitt 17:03
* cprofitt hugs SergioMeneses 17:03
YokoZarHi folks :)17:04
SergioMenesesYokoZar, \o17:04
PabloRubianeshi YokoZar17:04
czajkowskithanks for attending folks17:04
coolbhavihey YokoZar17:04
SergioMenesesalways is good to meet with friends!17:04
beunoczajkowski, o/17:05
coolbhavi:)17:05
PabloRubianeshey beuno!17:05
beunoheya PabloRubianes!17:05
czajkowskiso how are things in the LC ?17:06
czajkowskibeuno: cprofitt YokoZar any questions?17:07
coolbhaviczajkowski, going fine, we have been brainstorming and bringing in process changes17:07
SergioMenesesczajkowski, we published the new health check process http://lococouncil.ubuntu.com/2013/08/25/new-local-communities-healthcheck/17:08
coolbhaviapart from our routine such as loco teams verification on per cycle basis and helping the loco teams in case of any issues17:09
SergioMenesesand we are updating all teams right now http://lococouncil.ubuntu.com/2013/09/05/updating-shippit-to-the-new-term/17:09
beunoanything stressing you guys out?17:09
cprofitthave you received much interest in the upcoming openings for the LC?17:10
coolbhavinothing stressful as of now beuno17:10
SergioMenesescprofitt, yes! this time we have a lot of proposals17:11
coolbhavicprofitt, yes we have received 4 applications as of now17:11
YokoZarPardon my ignorance, but do we offer localized versions of stuff in the goodies for loco councils, eg translated CD slip covers?17:11
SergioMeneseswe shall send you an email with all information about the aspirants17:11
YokoZar(for the pressed CDs)17:11
PabloRubianesYokoZar: no, there no localized materials17:11
PabloRubianesin fact some Locos had say that we should improve the multilingual resources17:12
PabloRubianesas there is only official resources in English17:12
cprofittI know that Jono spoke about 'special funding' for LoCo projects / activites I wonder if producing localized resources would be one of the things that might fit in that box... funds provided to a loco team so they can have that done...17:14
SergioMenesesby the way, we have received a lot of commentaries about the new process, I dont know if you saw it17:14
cprofittSergioMeneses: I have not seen them; what was the overall response?17:15
czajkowskicprofitt: it's been welcomed17:15
czajkowskimany people are very happy about removing the term approved so it's more welcoming to people17:15
PabloRubianescprofitt: the resources I am talking are not just material, but for example ASKubuntu17:16
czajkowskiand others who weren't approved before or lost the status want to go again to be verified17:16
czajkowskiwhich is nice to see17:16
SergioMenesescprofitt, the process is good because we need a tool for getting information about our local-communities, and the process is the best way to get it17:16
SergioMenesesczajkowski, agree17:16
* cprofitt nods to PabloRubianes about askubuntu type resources17:16
cprofittczajkowski: that is good that the process is well received17:17
SergioMenesesand we are thinking to start a new process to contact and work with all teams, even no-verified17:17
czajkowskifrom my point of view, I feel it's been harder to connect with the community at times due to different goals people have. I've found the vUDS mid week to hinder participation in the community17:17
PabloRubianesI am +1 with czajkowski17:17
czajkowskieven the loco council themselves couldn't take part due to a) short notice of vUDs and b) the fact it was mid week meant people cannot take time off work to attend17:17
czajkowskiwhich also means we cannot connect wiht the commmunity17:17
PabloRubianesat least it should be one day at a weekend day17:18
cprofittczajkowski: I agree on the vUDS17:18
SergioMenesesczajkowski,  totally agree, vuds schedule is not good for my real work17:18
czajkowskiand the community cannot engage with Ubuntu, the developers and get involved.17:18
YokoZarWould longer notice time help there, or moving it to a weekend?17:18
PabloRubianesSergioMeneses: for anyone's work17:18
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cprofittit was one thing to take time off and travel to go to a UDS in person, but it has been difficult to attend the vUDS... in general I attend the sessions I am most interested in17:18
coolbhaviYokoZar, would certainly help17:19
cprofittand miss sessions that I am unsure of... at real UDS I would attend other sessions or use it to connect to others in the community17:19
PabloRubianesYokoZar: I know that maybe a weekend is a time where you want to be with family, but is once every 3 months17:19
coolbhavimoving over a weekend means some of us can be free17:19
PabloRubianeson you regular job you cant connect to google hangout17:19
czajkowskiYokoZar: yes more notice17:20
czajkowskiand possibly a friday/saturday combination of a vUDs17:20
SergioMenesescprofitt, but it was easier get days off in the work if you attent uds in person17:20
SergioMenesesimho17:20
cprofittSergioMeneses: yep17:20
SergioMenesesbut vuds might be on weekends17:20
SergioMenesesit could be a solution -practical-17:21
coolbhavi+1 SergioMeneses17:21
czajkowskithat's a schdeuling thing, but I think the feedback from a community point is that mid week is not at all helful if you're not directly involved in development17:21
cprofittDo you feel that the loss of the in-person UDS has reduced the ability of people to understand the differences that regions face? I know I got a lot out of being able to really sit down and talk to people from Europe, India, etc... and listen to the issues they face in growing their local communities17:21
czajkowskiso some sort of meeting in the middle is needed split between mid week and a weekend17:22
czajkowskicprofitt: I think honestly a 3 month cycle is very hard for a community when you don't have deliverables to produce17:22
czajkowskiit's only 3 meetings17:22
czajkowskiif you break it down to basics17:22
cprofitt+1 czajkowski17:22
SergioMenesesagree17:22
PabloRubianescprofitt: also every loco has it needs sometimes global solutions are worst17:23
coolbhavicprofitt, I do feel so because infrastructure isnt so great here it just puts me out of contention wrt vUDS17:23
PabloRubianesthat's why we are doing case by case solutions17:23
czajkowskiso while I love the fact we have a fast pace developement cycle, I think it hinders at times our community to be involved when it comes to locoteams is my short summary :)17:23
cprofittso it appears that we can agree that we have an opportunity to improve the vUDS in regards to community (non-developer) engagement17:24
coolbhavi+117:24
PabloRubianes+117:24
czajkowskicprofitt: +117:24
SergioMenesescprofitt, +117:24
* SergioMeneses is still working17:24
cprofittI think that is critical... speaking honestly the community is what convinced me to go with Ubuntu when I was in my distro hopping phase17:24
czajkowskiI think the LC does a great job in understanding the community, it may be a slower than people want for changes to occur but it does listen to the ffeedback17:24
cprofittSergioMeneses I am at work right now too17:25
* coolbhavi is half slept here17:25
cprofitt+1 czajkowski I think the loco does an excellent job as well17:25
SergioMenesesczajkowski, maybe we need to be more public with our things17:25
czajkowskiSergioMeneses: indeed17:25
PabloRubianeswe do much on backstage17:25
SergioMenesesI hate when people said we dont work17:26
czajkowskiit kinda feels at times people do not respect that or understand that and that leads to being frustrated tbh17:26
SergioMenesessure17:26
* cprofitt nods17:26
SergioMeneseswe are more than +1/-117:26
coolbhaviyes we do a lot of other stuff too17:26
cprofittI agree that I do not think people understand everything that goes on... there are a great many things that take tact, patience and a measure of privacy when it comes to loco teams17:27
czajkowskibeuno: YokoZar cprofitt any other comments?17:28
beunonone from me, I'm happy you guys continue to rock17:28
cprofittno, I am good.17:28
coolbhavicprofitt, and quantifying stuff for the number of teams we cater to isnt easy17:28
cprofittI truly appreciate the work that everyone has done on the loco teams.17:29
SergioMenesescprofitt, it's our duty17:29
czajkowski#endmeeting17:30
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coolbhavicprofitt, thanks we shall keep up our work to the highest level always17:30
SergioMenesescprofitt, beuno YokoZar see you later! take care17:30
beunoo/17:30
cprofitttake care SergioMeneses17:30
SergioMeneseslunchtime here17:30
PabloRubianesthanks cprofitt YokoZar beuno for the meeting17:31
coolbhavibye cprofitt beuno YokoZar17:31
coolbhavigood night from India :)17:31
cprofittbye coolbhavi17:33
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c_smithwould it be alright if I idle here until the Membership meeting starts?21:46
toddyc_smith: yes, that is ok.21:47
c_smithcool21:48
c_smithbetter early than late, y'know?21:48
phillwtoddy: is this a general CC meeting or a local one?21:49
c_smithphillw, 0/21:49
phillwc_smith: yes?21:50
toddyphillw: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards21:50
toddya general21:50
phillwtoddy: okies, thanks :)21:50
c_smithphillw, just saying hi21:51
c_smithwrong emote was used, apparently. XD21:51
phillwc_smith: may I wish you success :)21:51
c_smithphillw, thanks.21:52
hggdhI22:01
* c_smith is still here22:02
hggdhc_smith: please hold, we are checking on the status of the RMB members22:02
c_smithhggdh, alright.22:02
c_smithI was just saying that to state mainly that I haven't left.22:02
c_smithwhich is kinda obvious22:03
hggdhheh22:03
c_smithbut hey, what's the fun in not stating at least a few obvious things? done right, it can be pretty funny22:03
chilicuilwelcome c_smith =)22:04
c_smiththanks.22:04
c_smithnow if only I still had glasses. XD22:04
hggdhI will do it22:05
hggdh#startmeeting22:05
meetingologyMeeting started Thu Sep  5 22:05:58 2013 UTC.  The chair is hggdh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.22:05
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hggdhOK. Welcome to the Ubuntu Membership Board meeting for September 5th 2013, 22:00 UTC22:06
hggdh@voters Pendulum chilicuil hggdh PabloRubianes22:07
meetingologyhggdh: Error: "voters" is not a valid command.22:07
hggdh#voters Pendulum chilicuil hggdh PabloRubianes22:07
meetingologyCurrent voters: PabloRubianes Pendulum chilicuil hggdh22:07
hggdhbah22:07
dblueman1I'm here for the meeting also22:07
hggdhwe expect candidates to speak up when we call them, and give us a brief intro on why they are qualified for membership; links to the LP and Wiki pages should be provided22:08
c_smithnoted22:08
hggdhanyone willing to support and cheer for the candidates, please feel free to do so22:08
hggdhSo... let's get on to it22:09
hggdh#meetingtopic RMB -- c_smith22:09
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hggdhc_smith: please present yourself22:09
c_smithHi, I'm Cody Smith (Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Cody.Smith Launchpad: https://launchpad.net/~cody.smith), I mainly contribute through my Local LoCo (Ubuntu Oregon). and occasional bug reports and fixes22:10
c_smithI haven't contributed fixes in a while, but I still report bugs I find.22:11
c_smithI try and get awareness of Ubuntu (and free software in general) whenever I can22:11
c_smith*whenever and wherever I can22:11
Pendulumc_smith: Can you expand some more on what you do with your LoCo?22:13
hggdhc_smith: yes, please. Your wiki application is -- being candid -- poor on details22:13
c_smithsure, I started an Ubuntu Hour here in my hometown (most members are an hour north of me) and with what I have done I (as slangesek has said in the comments) help set the pace for the Loco.22:15
c_smithI do what I can for the LoCo (and Ubuntu at large) in the spare time I have.22:15
c_smithif any more details are needed, please, ask for them.22:16
c_smithoh, one thing I forgot to mention22:17
c_smithat the Ubuntu hours, we occasionally get people who are wanting to try Ubuntu, yet don't know where to start, and those of us there (2-3 people including myself) try and get them the info they need to have the most success they can22:18
hggdhc_smith: and how long have you been with the LoCo?22:19
c_smithhggdh, if memory serves. since just before the 11.04 series.22:19
hggdhc_smith: thank you. Can you please give us a bit so that we can discuss internally?22:20
c_smithsure.22:20
hggdh#voters Pendulum chilicuil hggdh PabloRubianes bkerensa-remote22:20
meetingologyCurrent voters: PabloRubianes Pendulum bkerensa-remote chilicuil hggdh22:20
hggdh#vote c_smith for Ubuntu Membership22:22
meetingologyPlease vote on: c_smith for Ubuntu Membership22:22
meetingologyPublic votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)22:22
bkerensa-remote+1 Excellent work over the years Cody! Keep up the good work and I look forward to seeing your expanded contributions as you continue to grow in the Ubuntu Community22:22
meetingology+1 Excellent work over the years Cody! Keep up the good work and I look forward to seeing your expanded contributions as you continue to grow in the Ubuntu Community received from bkerensa-remote22:22
PabloRubianes+1 c_smith great work and consistance in the ubuntu hours22:22
meetingology+1 c_smith great work and consistance in the ubuntu hours received from PabloRubianes22:22
Pendulum+1 I'm impressed with your commitment, especially the Ubuntu Hours22:22
meetingology+1 I'm impressed with your commitment, especially the Ubuntu Hours received from Pendulum22:22
hggdh+1 although the wiki is poor, the testimonials pretty much nail it22:22
meetingology+1 although the wiki is poor, the testimonials pretty much nail it received from hggdh22:22
chilicuil+1, keep up the good work22:22
meetingology+1, keep up the good work received from chilicuil22:22
hggdh#endvote22:22
meetingologyVoting ended on: c_smith for Ubuntu Membership22:22
meetingologyVotes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:022:22
meetingologyMotion carried22:22
hggdhc_smith: WELCOME!22:23
PabloRubianescongrats c_smith !!!22:23
Pendulumc_smith: congrats and welcome!22:23
chilicuilc_smith: congrats =), welcome abroad, thanks for inspire us22:23
c_smiththanks.22:23
c_smithmay I update you with the correct date I joined the LoCoo22:23
c_smith?22:23
hggdhc_smith: certainly22:23
bkerensa-remotec_smith: thats not important now22:23
bkerensa-remote:)22:24
bkerensa-remoteor ok22:24
c_smith2011-08-1022:24
c_smithgotta message from someone about that, not sure they want to be identified, I'll have them come out with that part.22:24
c_smith*got a22:24
hggdhc_smith: thank you. and thank you for all yout work. No need to identify22:25
c_smithhggdh, cool22:25
c_smithwill I be needed for the rest of the meeting? or can I go get the dinner I've been being hounded to grab?22:25
hggdh#meetingtopic dblueman1 for Ubuntu Membership22:25
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chilicuilc_smith: feel free to get dinner22:26
c_smithcool22:26
c_smithI'm message me if there's anything needed.22:26
hggdhdblueman1: please introduce yourself, with LP and wiki links. Please detail what you have done that warrants a membership22:26
c_smith*I'm out22:26
dblueman1Hi; I'm Daniel J Blueman, a software developer who's been using Ubuntu the last 8 years, contributing bug reporting, analysis and fixes. ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DanielBlueman , https://launchpad.net/~watchmaker , https://launchpad.net/~danielblueman for further history )22:26
hggdhPabloRubianes: thank you, sir22:27
dblueman1Most of my contributions relate to the linux kernel, including developing testcases to provoke bugs in btrfs, platform enablement and so on:22:27
dblueman1https://www.google.com/search?sitesearch=lkml.org&q=%22Signed-off-by:+Daniel+J+Blueman22:27
chilicuilhave you worked with the Ubuntu Kernel team at any point? dblueman1 ?22:27
dblueman1my Ubuntu-specific contributions relate to kernel configuration, so I join the Ubuntu Kernel mailing list and raise matters when eg there are things I suggest22:28
dblueman1likewise for other more general Ubuntu topics with the Ubuntu dev mailing list22:28
dblueman1other package-related contribution comes when I hit a package issue, then I'll open/develop a LP bug report sometimes to resolution22:30
dblueman1I've been moving more to contributing at a local community level, deploying Edubuntu in two schools in Singapore and organising local Singapore and Philippines mirrors22:31
chilicuildblueman1: why you didn't ask for testimonials for your wiki application?22:31
dblueman1I probably will if later I apply for Ubuntu developer membership22:32
dblueman1quite a few Ubuntu developers will know me from my interactions on the Ubuntu Kernel ML and the Ubuntu Dev ML, so I could solicit testimonials22:33
Pendulumdblueman1: quite honestly it's just as important to have testimonials for Ubuntu Membership applications.22:33
hggdhdblueman1: this is a problem for us: although I can see you active on lkml, there is not much in #ubuntu-devel; I do not follow the kernel ml, though22:33
Pendulum(and we accept testimonials from anyone, plenty of kernel team members have given testimonials for folks applying for Ubuntu Membership)22:34
hggdhdblueman1: so we cannot verify your work on Ubuntu... the testimonials would help a lot22:34
bkerensa-remotedblueman1: it is hard for us to guage your contributions to Ubuntu without testimonials or some tangible patches on LP22:34
dblueman1I see that22:34
chilicuildblueman1: did you know that the ubuntu developer membership gives you the ubuntu membership automatically?22:35
dblueman1my activity history in LP gives us that22:35
dblueman1yes, though I'm applying for non-developer membership22:35
PabloRubianesdblueman1, I am afraid your LP accounts have little activity22:36
hggdhdblueman1: you have one code fix and a few bugs on LP that I can see. Not much to gauge participation22:36
dblueman1https://bugs.launchpad.net/~danielblueman22:36
Pendulumdblueman1: are you involved with your local Ubuntu community at all?22:36
hggdh266 bugs total on LP22:37
hggdh(reported, commented, worked on, etc)22:37
dblueman1from involvement of the local Linux group here in Singapore, there is less momentum in the Ubuntu LoCo, though I plan to bring more engagement later22:38
dblueman1what I value before that, is the develop the awareness of Edubuntu in education here, and in countries in SE Asia22:39
Pendulumdblueman1: do you have any photos or articles or anything about the work you've done with getting Edubuntu into the schools?22:40
dblueman1myself and two teachers have been preparing to document this at http://open-school.net , which I recently deployed22:41
dblueman1(pending me setting up MediaWiki visual editing and other config changes)22:42
dblueman1but we have a loose team of 5 people who are waiting to be involved22:43
hggdhdblueman1: let us discuss a bit;22:43
dblueman1I can cite a Ministry of Education award application using Edubuntu also; se22:43
dblueman1sec22:43
dblueman1(uploading PDF to my site)22:44
dblueman1sorry to keep you22:46
hggdhno prob22:46
hggdhdblueman1: no worry, we are ready to vote22:47
hggdh#vote dblueman1 for Ubuntu Membership22:47
meetingologyPlease vote on: dblueman1 for Ubuntu Membership22:47
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meetingology-1 received from bkerensa-remote22:47
Pendulum+0 I'd really like to see more documentation of what you've done and some testimonials to actually show some community involvement22:48
meetingology+0 I'd really like to see more documentation of what you've done and some testimonials to actually show some community involvement received from Pendulum22:48
chilicuil+0, you have good stuff, however I think you can improve even further your application and involvement22:48
meetingology+0, you have good stuff, however I think you can improve even further your application and involvement received from chilicuil22:48
hggdh-1 missing details and testimonials; should have been provided before the meeting22:48
meetingology-1 missing details and testimonials; should have been provided before the meeting received from hggdh22:48
PabloRubianes-1 Im sorry but the application need a lots of improvements, please comeback un a few time22:48
meetingology-1 Im sorry but the application need a lots of improvements, please comeback un a few time received from PabloRubianes22:48
hggdh#endvote22:48
meetingologyVoting ended on: dblueman1 for Ubuntu Membership22:48
meetingologyVotes for:0 Votes against:3 Abstentions:222:48
meetingologyMotion denied22:48
hggdhdblueman1: please improve your application, and come back; alternatively, you can apply for developer's, which automatically carries a membership22:49
dblueman1(http://quora.org/innovation-award.pdf : Singapore Ministry of Education innovation award 2013, Edubuntu multi-seat interaction)22:50
PabloRubianesdblueman1, also try to join your nearest LoCo22:50
dblueman1alright; I'll work on that22:50
PabloRubianesdblueman1, also things like the award should be in the wiki in the first place22:51
dblueman1indeed22:51
PabloRubianesif you need help improving your wiki please ask us22:51
PabloRubianeswe can provide feedback22:51
hggdhand will be ahppy to do so22:51
Pendulumdefinitely22:51
hggdh#endmeeting22:51
PabloRubianesme too22:51
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meetingologyMeeting ended Thu Sep  5 22:51:55 2013 UTC.22:51
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dblueman1thanks; I'll engage with local community22:52
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