=== freeflying_away is now known as freeflying === freeflying is now known as freeflying_away === freeflying_away is now known as freeflying === freeflying is now known as freeflying_away === freeflying_away is now known as freeflying === dosaboy_ is now known as dosaboy === freeflying is now known as freeflying_away === freeflying_away is now known as freeflying === brendand is now known as brendand_afk === brendand_afk is now known as brendand === freeflying is now known as freeflying_away === freeflying_away is now known as freeflying === jpierre03_ is now known as jpierre03 === wickedpuppy2 is now known as wickedpuppy === Darkwing_ is now known as Darkwing === freeflying is now known as freeflying_away [16:59] beuno: cprofitt YokoZar ping [17:00] hello [17:00] Hello :) [17:01] I'll chair [17:01] #startmeeting [17:01] Meeting started Thu Sep 5 17:01:36 2013 UTC. The chair is czajkowski. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [17:01] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [17:01] Aloha and welcome to this months Community Council meeting where we meet with the LoCo Council [17:01] hello CC :) [17:01] so who is here from the LC ? [17:02] * coolbhavi lifts his hands up! [17:02] hello coolbhavi [17:02] Here czajkowski [17:02] hello PabloRubianes [17:02] hello cprofitt [17:02] hi cprofitt [17:03] hi CC! [17:03] * SergioMeneses hugs cprofitt [17:03] * cprofitt hugs SergioMeneses [17:04] Hi folks :) [17:04] YokoZar, \o [17:04] hi YokoZar [17:04] thanks for attending folks [17:04] hey YokoZar [17:04] always is good to meet with friends! [17:05] czajkowski, o/ [17:05] :) [17:05] hey beuno! [17:05] heya PabloRubianes! [17:06] so how are things in the LC ? [17:07] beuno: cprofitt YokoZar any questions? [17:07] czajkowski, going fine, we have been brainstorming and bringing in process changes [17:08] czajkowski, we published the new health check process http://lococouncil.ubuntu.com/2013/08/25/new-local-communities-healthcheck/ [17:09] apart from our routine such as loco teams verification on per cycle basis and helping the loco teams in case of any issues [17:09] and we are updating all teams right now http://lococouncil.ubuntu.com/2013/09/05/updating-shippit-to-the-new-term/ [17:09] anything stressing you guys out? [17:10] have you received much interest in the upcoming openings for the LC? [17:10] nothing stressful as of now beuno [17:11] cprofitt, yes! this time we have a lot of proposals [17:11] cprofitt, yes we have received 4 applications as of now [17:11] Pardon my ignorance, but do we offer localized versions of stuff in the goodies for loco councils, eg translated CD slip covers? [17:11] we shall send you an email with all information about the aspirants [17:11] (for the pressed CDs) [17:11] YokoZar: no, there no localized materials [17:12] in fact some Locos had say that we should improve the multilingual resources [17:12] as there is only official resources in English [17:14] I know that Jono spoke about 'special funding' for LoCo projects / activites I wonder if producing localized resources would be one of the things that might fit in that box... funds provided to a loco team so they can have that done... [17:14] by the way, we have received a lot of commentaries about the new process, I dont know if you saw it [17:15] SergioMeneses: I have not seen them; what was the overall response? [17:15] cprofitt: it's been welcomed [17:15] many people are very happy about removing the term approved so it's more welcoming to people [17:16] cprofitt: the resources I am talking are not just material, but for example ASKubuntu [17:16] and others who weren't approved before or lost the status want to go again to be verified [17:16] which is nice to see [17:16] cprofitt, the process is good because we need a tool for getting information about our local-communities, and the process is the best way to get it [17:16] czajkowski, agree [17:16] * cprofitt nods to PabloRubianes about askubuntu type resources [17:17] czajkowski: that is good that the process is well received [17:17] and we are thinking to start a new process to contact and work with all teams, even no-verified [17:17] from my point of view, I feel it's been harder to connect with the community at times due to different goals people have. I've found the vUDS mid week to hinder participation in the community [17:17] I am +1 with czajkowski [17:17] even the loco council themselves couldn't take part due to a) short notice of vUDs and b) the fact it was mid week meant people cannot take time off work to attend [17:17] which also means we cannot connect wiht the commmunity [17:18] at least it should be one day at a weekend day [17:18] czajkowski: I agree on the vUDS [17:18] czajkowski, totally agree, vuds schedule is not good for my real work [17:18] and the community cannot engage with Ubuntu, the developers and get involved. [17:18] Would longer notice time help there, or moving it to a weekend? [17:18] SergioMeneses: for anyone's work === biostudent_ is now known as biostudent [17:18] it was one thing to take time off and travel to go to a UDS in person, but it has been difficult to attend the vUDS... in general I attend the sessions I am most interested in [17:19] YokoZar, would certainly help [17:19] and miss sessions that I am unsure of... at real UDS I would attend other sessions or use it to connect to others in the community [17:19] YokoZar: I know that maybe a weekend is a time where you want to be with family, but is once every 3 months [17:19] moving over a weekend means some of us can be free [17:19] on you regular job you cant connect to google hangout [17:20] YokoZar: yes more notice [17:20] and possibly a friday/saturday combination of a vUDs [17:20] cprofitt, but it was easier get days off in the work if you attent uds in person [17:20] imho [17:20] SergioMeneses: yep [17:20] but vuds might be on weekends [17:21] it could be a solution -practical- [17:21] +1 SergioMeneses [17:21] that's a schdeuling thing, but I think the feedback from a community point is that mid week is not at all helful if you're not directly involved in development [17:21] Do you feel that the loss of the in-person UDS has reduced the ability of people to understand the differences that regions face? I know I got a lot out of being able to really sit down and talk to people from Europe, India, etc... and listen to the issues they face in growing their local communities [17:22] so some sort of meeting in the middle is needed split between mid week and a weekend [17:22] cprofitt: I think honestly a 3 month cycle is very hard for a community when you don't have deliverables to produce [17:22] it's only 3 meetings [17:22] if you break it down to basics [17:22] +1 czajkowski [17:22] agree [17:23] cprofitt: also every loco has it needs sometimes global solutions are worst [17:23] cprofitt, I do feel so because infrastructure isnt so great here it just puts me out of contention wrt vUDS [17:23] that's why we are doing case by case solutions [17:23] so while I love the fact we have a fast pace developement cycle, I think it hinders at times our community to be involved when it comes to locoteams is my short summary :) [17:24] so it appears that we can agree that we have an opportunity to improve the vUDS in regards to community (non-developer) engagement [17:24] +1 [17:24] +1 [17:24] cprofitt: +1 [17:24] cprofitt, +1 [17:24] * SergioMeneses is still working [17:24] I think that is critical... speaking honestly the community is what convinced me to go with Ubuntu when I was in my distro hopping phase [17:24] I think the LC does a great job in understanding the community, it may be a slower than people want for changes to occur but it does listen to the ffeedback [17:25] SergioMeneses I am at work right now too [17:25] * coolbhavi is half slept here [17:25] +1 czajkowski I think the loco does an excellent job as well [17:25] czajkowski, maybe we need to be more public with our things [17:25] SergioMeneses: indeed [17:25] we do much on backstage [17:26] I hate when people said we dont work [17:26] it kinda feels at times people do not respect that or understand that and that leads to being frustrated tbh [17:26] sure [17:26] * cprofitt nods [17:26] we are more than +1/-1 [17:26] yes we do a lot of other stuff too [17:27] I agree that I do not think people understand everything that goes on... there are a great many things that take tact, patience and a measure of privacy when it comes to loco teams [17:28] beuno: YokoZar cprofitt any other comments? [17:28] none from me, I'm happy you guys continue to rock [17:28] no, I am good. [17:28] cprofitt, and quantifying stuff for the number of teams we cater to isnt easy [17:29] I truly appreciate the work that everyone has done on the loco teams. [17:29] cprofitt, it's our duty [17:30] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [17:30] Meeting ended Thu Sep 5 17:30:41 2013 UTC. [17:30] Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-09-05-17.01.moin.txt [17:30] Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-09-05-17.01.html [17:30] cprofitt, thanks we shall keep up our work to the highest level always [17:30] cprofitt, beuno YokoZar see you later! take care [17:30] o/ [17:30] take care SergioMeneses [17:30] lunchtime here [17:31] thanks cprofitt YokoZar beuno for the meeting [17:31] bye cprofitt beuno YokoZar [17:31] good night from India :) [17:33] bye coolbhavi === biostudent_ is now known as biostudent === pietro98-albini is now known as wpietro98-albini === wpietro98-albini is now known as pietro98-albini [21:46] would it be alright if I idle here until the Membership meeting starts? [21:47] c_smith: yes, that is ok. [21:48] cool [21:48] better early than late, y'know? [21:49] toddy: is this a general CC meeting or a local one? [21:49] phillw, 0/ [21:50] c_smith: yes? [21:50] phillw: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards [21:50] a general [21:50] toddy: okies, thanks :) [21:51] phillw, just saying hi [21:51] wrong emote was used, apparently. XD [21:51] c_smith: may I wish you success :) [21:52] phillw, thanks. [22:01] I [22:02] * c_smith is still here [22:02] c_smith: please hold, we are checking on the status of the RMB members [22:02] hggdh, alright. [22:02] I was just saying that to state mainly that I haven't left. [22:03] which is kinda obvious [22:03] heh [22:03] but hey, what's the fun in not stating at least a few obvious things? done right, it can be pretty funny [22:04] welcome c_smith =) [22:04] thanks. [22:04] now if only I still had glasses. XD [22:05] I will do it [22:05] #startmeeting [22:05] Meeting started Thu Sep 5 22:05:58 2013 UTC. The chair is hggdh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [22:05] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [22:06] OK. Welcome to the Ubuntu Membership Board meeting for September 5th 2013, 22:00 UTC [22:07] @voters Pendulum chilicuil hggdh PabloRubianes [22:07] hggdh: Error: "voters" is not a valid command. [22:07] #voters Pendulum chilicuil hggdh PabloRubianes [22:07] Current voters: PabloRubianes Pendulum chilicuil hggdh [22:07] bah [22:07] I'm here for the meeting also [22:08] we expect candidates to speak up when we call them, and give us a brief intro on why they are qualified for membership; links to the LP and Wiki pages should be provided [22:08] noted [22:08] anyone willing to support and cheer for the candidates, please feel free to do so [22:09] So... let's get on to it [22:09] #meetingtopic RMB -- c_smith === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | RMB -- c_smith Meeting | Current topic: [22:09] c_smith: please present yourself [22:10] Hi, I'm Cody Smith (Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Cody.Smith Launchpad: https://launchpad.net/~cody.smith), I mainly contribute through my Local LoCo (Ubuntu Oregon). and occasional bug reports and fixes [22:11] I haven't contributed fixes in a while, but I still report bugs I find. [22:11] I try and get awareness of Ubuntu (and free software in general) whenever I can [22:11] *whenever and wherever I can [22:13] c_smith: Can you expand some more on what you do with your LoCo? [22:13] c_smith: yes, please. Your wiki application is -- being candid -- poor on details [22:15] sure, I started an Ubuntu Hour here in my hometown (most members are an hour north of me) and with what I have done I (as slangesek has said in the comments) help set the pace for the Loco. [22:15] I do what I can for the LoCo (and Ubuntu at large) in the spare time I have. [22:16] if any more details are needed, please, ask for them. [22:17] oh, one thing I forgot to mention [22:18] at the Ubuntu hours, we occasionally get people who are wanting to try Ubuntu, yet don't know where to start, and those of us there (2-3 people including myself) try and get them the info they need to have the most success they can [22:19] c_smith: and how long have you been with the LoCo? [22:19] hggdh, if memory serves. since just before the 11.04 series. [22:20] c_smith: thank you. Can you please give us a bit so that we can discuss internally? [22:20] sure. [22:20] #voters Pendulum chilicuil hggdh PabloRubianes bkerensa-remote [22:20] Current voters: PabloRubianes Pendulum bkerensa-remote chilicuil hggdh [22:22] #vote c_smith for Ubuntu Membership [22:22] Please vote on: c_smith for Ubuntu Membership [22:22] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [22:22] +1 Excellent work over the years Cody! Keep up the good work and I look forward to seeing your expanded contributions as you continue to grow in the Ubuntu Community [22:22] +1 Excellent work over the years Cody! Keep up the good work and I look forward to seeing your expanded contributions as you continue to grow in the Ubuntu Community received from bkerensa-remote [22:22] +1 c_smith great work and consistance in the ubuntu hours [22:22] +1 c_smith great work and consistance in the ubuntu hours received from PabloRubianes [22:22] +1 I'm impressed with your commitment, especially the Ubuntu Hours [22:22] +1 I'm impressed with your commitment, especially the Ubuntu Hours received from Pendulum [22:22] +1 although the wiki is poor, the testimonials pretty much nail it [22:22] +1 although the wiki is poor, the testimonials pretty much nail it received from hggdh [22:22] +1, keep up the good work [22:22] +1, keep up the good work received from chilicuil [22:22] #endvote [22:22] Voting ended on: c_smith for Ubuntu Membership [22:22] Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 [22:22] Motion carried [22:23] c_smith: WELCOME! [22:23] congrats c_smith !!! [22:23] c_smith: congrats and welcome! [22:23] c_smith: congrats =), welcome abroad, thanks for inspire us [22:23] thanks. [22:23] may I update you with the correct date I joined the LoCoo [22:23] ? [22:23] c_smith: certainly [22:23] c_smith: thats not important now [22:24] :) [22:24] or ok [22:24] 2011-08-10 [22:24] gotta message from someone about that, not sure they want to be identified, I'll have them come out with that part. [22:24] *got a [22:25] c_smith: thank you. and thank you for all yout work. No need to identify [22:25] hggdh, cool [22:25] will I be needed for the rest of the meeting? or can I go get the dinner I've been being hounded to grab? [22:25] #meetingtopic dblueman1 for Ubuntu Membership === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | dblueman1 for Ubuntu Membership Meeting | Current topic: [22:26] c_smith: feel free to get dinner [22:26] cool [22:26] I'm message me if there's anything needed. [22:26] dblueman1: please introduce yourself, with LP and wiki links. Please detail what you have done that warrants a membership [22:26] *I'm out [22:26] Hi; I'm Daniel J Blueman, a software developer who's been using Ubuntu the last 8 years, contributing bug reporting, analysis and fixes. ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DanielBlueman , https://launchpad.net/~watchmaker , https://launchpad.net/~danielblueman for further history ) [22:27] PabloRubianes: thank you, sir [22:27] Most of my contributions relate to the linux kernel, including developing testcases to provoke bugs in btrfs, platform enablement and so on: [22:27] https://www.google.com/search?sitesearch=lkml.org&q=%22Signed-off-by:+Daniel+J+Blueman [22:27] have you worked with the Ubuntu Kernel team at any point? dblueman1 ? [22:28] my Ubuntu-specific contributions relate to kernel configuration, so I join the Ubuntu Kernel mailing list and raise matters when eg there are things I suggest [22:28] likewise for other more general Ubuntu topics with the Ubuntu dev mailing list [22:30] other package-related contribution comes when I hit a package issue, then I'll open/develop a LP bug report sometimes to resolution [22:31] I've been moving more to contributing at a local community level, deploying Edubuntu in two schools in Singapore and organising local Singapore and Philippines mirrors [22:31] dblueman1: why you didn't ask for testimonials for your wiki application? [22:32] I probably will if later I apply for Ubuntu developer membership [22:33] quite a few Ubuntu developers will know me from my interactions on the Ubuntu Kernel ML and the Ubuntu Dev ML, so I could solicit testimonials [22:33] dblueman1: quite honestly it's just as important to have testimonials for Ubuntu Membership applications. [22:33] dblueman1: this is a problem for us: although I can see you active on lkml, there is not much in #ubuntu-devel; I do not follow the kernel ml, though [22:34] (and we accept testimonials from anyone, plenty of kernel team members have given testimonials for folks applying for Ubuntu Membership) [22:34] dblueman1: so we cannot verify your work on Ubuntu... the testimonials would help a lot [22:34] dblueman1: it is hard for us to guage your contributions to Ubuntu without testimonials or some tangible patches on LP [22:34] I see that [22:35] dblueman1: did you know that the ubuntu developer membership gives you the ubuntu membership automatically? [22:35] my activity history in LP gives us that [22:35] yes, though I'm applying for non-developer membership [22:36] dblueman1, I am afraid your LP accounts have little activity [22:36] dblueman1: you have one code fix and a few bugs on LP that I can see. Not much to gauge participation [22:36] https://bugs.launchpad.net/~danielblueman [22:36] dblueman1: are you involved with your local Ubuntu community at all? [22:37] 266 bugs total on LP [22:37] (reported, commented, worked on, etc) [22:38] from involvement of the local Linux group here in Singapore, there is less momentum in the Ubuntu LoCo, though I plan to bring more engagement later [22:39] what I value before that, is the develop the awareness of Edubuntu in education here, and in countries in SE Asia [22:40] dblueman1: do you have any photos or articles or anything about the work you've done with getting Edubuntu into the schools? [22:41] myself and two teachers have been preparing to document this at http://open-school.net , which I recently deployed [22:42] (pending me setting up MediaWiki visual editing and other config changes) [22:43] but we have a loose team of 5 people who are waiting to be involved [22:43] dblueman1: let us discuss a bit; [22:43] I can cite a Ministry of Education award application using Edubuntu also; se [22:43] sec [22:44] (uploading PDF to my site) [22:46] sorry to keep you [22:46] no prob [22:47] dblueman1: no worry, we are ready to vote [22:47] #vote dblueman1 for Ubuntu Membership [22:47] Please vote on: dblueman1 for Ubuntu Membership [22:47] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [22:47] -1 [22:47] -1 received from bkerensa-remote [22:48] +0 I'd really like to see more documentation of what you've done and some testimonials to actually show some community involvement [22:48] +0 I'd really like to see more documentation of what you've done and some testimonials to actually show some community involvement received from Pendulum [22:48] +0, you have good stuff, however I think you can improve even further your application and involvement [22:48] +0, you have good stuff, however I think you can improve even further your application and involvement received from chilicuil [22:48] -1 missing details and testimonials; should have been provided before the meeting [22:48] -1 missing details and testimonials; should have been provided before the meeting received from hggdh [22:48] -1 Im sorry but the application need a lots of improvements, please comeback un a few time [22:48] -1 Im sorry but the application need a lots of improvements, please comeback un a few time received from PabloRubianes [22:48] #endvote [22:48] Voting ended on: dblueman1 for Ubuntu Membership [22:48] Votes for:0 Votes against:3 Abstentions:2 [22:48] Motion denied [22:49] dblueman1: please improve your application, and come back; alternatively, you can apply for developer's, which automatically carries a membership [22:50] (http://quora.org/innovation-award.pdf : Singapore Ministry of Education innovation award 2013, Edubuntu multi-seat interaction) [22:50] dblueman1, also try to join your nearest LoCo [22:50] alright; I'll work on that [22:51] dblueman1, also things like the award should be in the wiki in the first place [22:51] indeed [22:51] if you need help improving your wiki please ask us [22:51] we can provide feedback [22:51] and will be ahppy to do so [22:51] definitely [22:51] #endmeeting [22:51] me too === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [22:51] Meeting ended Thu Sep 5 22:51:55 2013 UTC. [22:51] Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-09-05-22.05.moin.txt [22:51] Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-09-05-22.05.html [22:52] thanks; I'll engage with local community === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha