[05:22] <mint_> is .10 stable enough to use? I assume it should be since xfce hasn't changed in a while
[05:38] <koegs> which .10? xfce 4.10 or ubuntu 13.10? :D
[05:39] <mint_> heh 13.10, xfce always seems stable... except for that themes bug back in 2008...
[05:41] <koegs> 13.10 is still a beta/rc, i would not use that
[05:41] <mint_> windows is always beta, i still use it... a bit
[05:44] <koegs> my opinion: the betas are for users who want to try, test and help, not for users who need a stable OS
[07:53] <xubuntu173> Goodmorning! I have a problem with installing the latest Xubuntu (13.04) on my laptop HP nc8430. Tried several times to install, it runs the installation program, but stops at irregular points during installation. Sometimes at the beginning already, sometimes when it is copying files. Anybody an idea what the problem could be? (First time had it installed with option to delete the Windows OS (XP Pro).
[07:54] <TheSheep> xubuntu173: what do you mean by "stops"?
[07:54] <xubuntu173> it quits the installation and the laptop turns off; sometimes the dvd is ejected.
[07:55] <TheSheep> the dvd is usually ejected at the end of the installation
[07:57] <xubuntu173> That's what I thought as well, but the installation quits unexpectedly, when the copy file bar is not at it's end. Tried to start up without dvd, but it appears that the installation is not complete. The laptop does not start.
[07:58] <TheSheep> are you sure it's set to boot from the hard disk drive?
[08:03] <ObrienDave> xubuntu173==> sorry, came in late. what are you trying to accomplish?
[08:05] <xubuntu173> yes, it's set to boot from HD. The only thing I see is a blinking cursor at the top left corner.
[08:05] <benxyzzy> In Ubuntu I can press SUPER + NUM to start launchers in the panel on the left. Can I do the same thing with XFCE's mac-style panel on the bottom?
[08:06] <TheSheep> benxyzzy: you can bind any commands to your keys
[08:06] <TheSheep> benxyzzy: but you will have to do it separately from the panel
[08:07] <benxyzzy> TheSheep: OK, so it's a new binding per program. What would be the cleanest, most 'correct' way to do those bindings?
[08:07] <TheSheep> as far as I know, yes
[08:10] <benxyzzy> Never mind, found it. Thanks
[08:28] <ObrienDave> xubuntu173==> sorry, came in late. what are you trying to accomplish?
[08:47] <xubuntu173> Hi ObrianDave. See above, from 0952 onwards.
[08:48] <ObrienDave> xubuntu173==> lost my connection and log. are you trying to install from a live DVD?
[08:53] <xubuntu173> Yes. I will c&p my previous lines
[08:53] <xubuntu173> [09:52] <xubuntu173> Goodmorning! I have a problem with installing the latest Xubuntu (13.04) on my laptop HP nc8430. Tried several times to install, it runs the installation program, but stops at irregular points during installation. Sometimes at the beginning already, sometimes when it is copying files. Anybody an idea what the problem could be? (First time had it installed with option to delete the Windows OS (XP Pro). [09:52
[08:55] <xubuntu173> [09:53] <xubuntu173> it quits the installation and the laptop turns off; sometimes the dvd is ejected. [09:54] <TheSheep> the dvd is usually ejected at the end of the installation [09:55] == ObrienDave [~david@74.32.168.66] has joined #xubuntu [09:56] <xubuntu173> That's what I thought as well, but the installation quits unexpectedly, when the copy file bar is not at it's end. Tried to start up without dvd, but it appears that t
[08:55] <xubuntu173> The laptop does not start. [09:57] <TheSheep> are you sure it's set to boot from the hard disk drive?
[08:56] <xubuntu173> [10:04] <xubuntu173> yes, it's set to boot from HD. The only thing I see is a blinking cursor at the top left corner.
[08:56] <ObrienDave> are you using the automatic partitioning to ADD to your existing Windows installation
[08:57] <xubuntu173> I had ticked the option to replace the Windows installation, not to add.
[08:58] <ObrienDave> ok, so you DO want to delete windows altogether?
[08:58] <xubuntu173> yeap!
[08:59] <xubuntu173> what I have now, is that when it boots without dvd, I only have a blinking white cursor at th etop left corner.
[09:00] <ObrienDave> ok, can you successfully run the live DVD with no problems?
[09:00] <xubuntu173> I'm not sure whether I can use this cd as live cd?
[09:00] <xubuntu173> sorry, dvd
[09:01] <ObrienDave> yes you can
[09:01] <xubuntu173> sure! during the start up, I can choose between installation en live. You're right./
[09:01] <ObrienDave> try that. if it does not work, I suggest you have a corrupted DL
[09:01] <xubuntu173> try to do that now.
[09:01] <xubuntu173> what is a dl?
[09:02] <ObrienDave> download
[09:02] <ObrienDave> i think your downloaded file is bad
[09:03] <ObrienDave> can you re-download the .iso file?
[09:03] <xubuntu173> how can I check that? It didn't report any problems during download, and also not during burning the image
[09:03] <ObrienDave> or at least do a md5 checksum?
[09:04] <xubuntu173> Yes, no problem to re-download. Any suggested mirror site?
[09:04] <xubuntu173> HOw can I do a md5 checksum?
[09:04] <ObrienDave> let me find you the official site
[09:04] <xubuntu173> thanks, great!
[09:05] <ObrienDave> can you do torrents?
[09:05] <ObrienDave> 32 or 64 bit?
[09:05] <xubuntu173> no
[09:05] <xubuntu173> 32
[09:06] <ObrienDave> ok give me a sec
[09:06] <xubuntu173> thx
[09:06] <ObrienDave> what country are you in?
[09:06] <xubuntu173> netherlands
[09:07] <ObrienDave> try this mirror   http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-cdimage-xubuntu/releases/13.04/release/
[09:08] <xubuntu173> ok. will do
[09:08] <ObrienDave> is your PC 32 bit? most new ones are 64 bit
[09:08] <ObrienDave> !md5
[09:10] <xubuntu173> this one is a HP nc 8430 laptop. Don't know whether it an handle 64, but thought it better to have it on 32.
[09:10] <xubuntu173> btw; that site is the same site where I downloaded the first file from: xubuntu-13.04-desktop-i386.iso
[09:11] <ObrienDave> hmm, it's possible you just have a bad file. let me find you a different mirror
[09:11] <xubuntu173> meanwhile, the live is running without problems...
[09:12] <xubuntu173> si it seams the file is ok?
[09:12] <xubuntu173> I'll do the checksum
[09:12] <ObrienDave> xubuntu173==> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/13.04/release/
[09:13] <ObrienDave> ok, yes, if the live DVD works, it should not be a problem, but I would do the MD5 just to be sure
[09:14] <ObrienDave> if you get a MD5 mis-match, you will need to re-DL the file again
[09:20] <xubuntu173> the md5 check is a problem. Is it so that I should place the iso file in the system32 dir?
[09:20] <xubuntu173> Meanwhile, my laptop has shut down.
[09:21] <nerdtron> put the md5 and the iso on the same folder when you check for md5sum
[09:22] <ObrienDave> what nerdtron said :))
[09:23] <ObrienDave> smoke break. brb
[09:23] <xubuntu173> that's what I did. They're both in hte same folder, but I get a reply that the file dopes noet exist.
[09:24] <xubuntu173> happy smoke
[09:24] <ObrienDave> check for file name typos. brb
[09:26] <nerdtron> same filename, but of course different file extension..
[09:26] <nerdtron> xubuntu173, anyway do you have virtual box installed?
[09:27] <ObrienDave> back
[09:27] <xubuntu173> In system32? no typos
[09:27] <xubuntu173> No virtual box
[09:28] <ObrienDave> you don't need the original file in system32 directory. any directory will do
[09:29] <xubuntu173> That's what I have. I have de md5sum in system32, but also in the same dir where the iso is.
[09:31] <ObrienDave> ok, CD to the directory that have both the .iso and md5sum file before you do the compare
[09:31] <xubuntu173> done that
[09:31] <ObrienDave> and it still cant find the iso?
[09:33] <pmjdebruijn> uhm
[09:33] <pmjdebruijn> why not manually compare
[09:33] <pmjdebruijn> just have the md5sum utility compute an MD5sum
[09:34] <pmjdebruijn> can manually compare it to what's listed on the download site
[09:34] <pmjdebruijn> :)
[09:34] <pmjdebruijn> s/can/and/
[09:35] <xubuntu173> wait. the instruction on the referred to site was not completely clear to me. I have now a result. Gives a lot of error messages, failed open or read
[09:35] <xubuntu173> will download from the suggested site and revert.
[09:35] <xubuntu173> Isn't it strange though while the dvd does start up live.
[09:36] <ObrienDave> well, the DVD does not always use all of the same files as installing does
[09:37] <nerdtron> xubuntu173, i experienced that also, the dvd boots fine, but the install will not complte.. my ISO was to blame
[09:38] <ObrienDave> if your iso is partially corrupted, then the live DVD portion may work but not the install which reads ALL necessary files
[09:38] <xubuntu173> thx guys, is downloading now, will do the md5sum check first and let you know. ANother minute to complete the download, will be back!
[09:38] <ObrienDave> ok, we'll be here all night LOL
[09:39] <xubuntu173> Is it night at your end?
[09:39] <ObrienDave> dang I wish I had a fast DSL line. yes. west coast USA ;))
[09:40] <xubuntu173> but then it's early morning for you!
[09:40] <xubuntu173> Great, west coast; where about?
[09:40] <ObrienDave> well yes, that is true. Oregon
[09:41] <xubuntu173> OK. Been there several times. Last April - May did R66 from Chicago to LA. Fantastic!
[09:42] <nerdtron> wow xubuntu173 very fast internet connection...im in PH, 6PM here
[09:42] <ObrienDave> cool! used to do that every summer back in the 60's to go see my grandparents in Springfield, Missouri
[09:42] <xubuntu173> ph?
[09:43] <xubuntu173> Yeah I like to travel through the States. Great country you have!
[09:43] <nerdtron> philippines :)
[09:43] <xubuntu173> Checksum is again wrong: 65 of 65 files could not be read.
[09:44] <xubuntu173> Hello Far East!
[09:44] <ObrienDave> have you used zsync?
[09:44] <nerdtron> hmmm xubuntu173  i have another idea
[09:44] <xubuntu173> Maybe nice such a fast connection....
[09:44] <xubuntu173> but not for this file!
[09:45] <ObrienDave> let's get him to use zsync
[09:45] <nerdtron> burn that ISO to a USBB stick or DVD and then boot,,,, select "Check CD for defects" :)
[09:45] <ObrienDave> LMAO it takes me an hour at least to DL the iso. PFFFFFT!!!
[09:46] <nerdtron> you're lucky on at least an hour...mine is a about 2hrs
[09:46] <ObrienDave> oh boy ;)
[09:46] <xubuntu173> I have the first iso on a dvd. This ast iso gives the same errors.
[09:47] <xubuntu173> Still burn the last one on a new dvd?
[09:47] <nerdtron> DVDRW can burn many times....
[09:47] <xubuntu173> btw, my name is Peer. While logging in, forgot to change the name
[09:48] <nerdtron> yeah burn the new ISO to DVD or to a USB and then boot, "Check CD for Defects"
[09:48] <ObrienDave> nice to chat with you peer. i'm dave
[09:48] <xubuntu173> where do I "check cd for defects"?
[09:48] <ObrienDave> in the boot menu
[09:50] <xubuntu173> I do not see an option for that.
[09:51] <xubuntu173> I can change the boot order and some other stuff, but no check cd for defects
[09:51] <nerdtron> what are the options in boot menu?? like "install UBuntu" "try ubuntu without installing"
[09:51] <xubuntu173> aha, you mean the xubuntu boot
[09:51] <xubuntu173> wait a second
[09:51] <nerdtron> not the boot order...boot the xubuntu iso,,,,then after selecting language,
[09:51] <nerdtron> yes that's it
[09:52] <ObrienDave> yes
[09:52] <ObrienDave> sorry, the DVD boot menu
[09:52] <xubuntu173> got it. it's starting up now
[09:52] <ObrienDave> cool
[09:54] <xubuntu173> shit, forgot to reset the boot order for the laptop...
[09:54] <ObrienDave> LOL not like any of us has never done that :))
[09:54] <knome> ok, please let's cool down and reconsider the language
[09:55] <xubuntu173> sorry for saying the s! word
[09:55] <ObrienDave> shame on you ;)
[09:56] <xubuntu173> yeah, I know
[09:57] <xubuntu173> it's starting up, see a nice logo, running in circles. Like the dog of the neighbours, trying to catch it's own tail
[09:57] <ObrienDave> that's a good start
[09:57] <xubuntu173> you're right. but now the rest!
[09:58] <ObrienDave> one step at a  time
[09:59] <ObrienDave> "A journey of a 1000 miles begins with a single step"
[10:00] <xubuntu173> it's now starting live from dvd,; next screen will be that check?
[10:01] <ObrienDave> did you see the DVD boot menu? or is it going right to the installation?
[10:01] <xubuntu173> this is strange: while it appears that the laptop is starting up the live session, the cd tray opens, it gives an instruction on the screen to remove the media and press enter?...
[10:04] <ObrienDave> hmm, could be it actually finished the install. go ahead and reboot the PC
[10:05] <nerdtron> xubuntu173, no error mesage? it just ejected the CD? it's good then...try installing to the hard drive
[10:06] <ObrienDave> during the first bad install, it actually remembers where it is. it's possible that you just needed to finish the install
[10:07] <xubuntu173> I've done that install now for about (at least) 5 times!
[10:07] <xubuntu173> So what you say, every time it goes a bit further?
[10:08] <ObrienDave> it's possible. are you using the newest iso now?
[10:08] <xubuntu173> no, would that be better?
[10:09] <ObrienDave> usually, not always. if it works good. if not try the new iso
[10:10] <xubuntu173> have to  make a sanitairy stop. brb
[10:10] <ObrienDave> LOL me too. brb
[10:14] <xubuntu173> again ejected, without any warning. Now burning the new iso. Be patient. I begin to hate that word.
[10:16] <ObrienDave> ok. I need to give my wife a wake up call in 15 minutes. no worries, take your time
[10:16] <xubuntu173> btw, what is a zsync? Is that something which was used in the early days of the BBS?
[10:17] <ObrienDave> no, its a way of comparing large files such as the ISO and sending only what has changed
[10:17] <xubuntu173> new iso on dvd, inserted. let's wait and see what happens
[10:17] <ObrienDave> ok. give it a go
[10:18] <xubuntu173> it starts with a simple logo in th ebottom of the screen, what I saw one of the first times as well
[10:18] <ObrienDave> if this does not work, i suggest starting over with the full install to your hard drive
[10:19] <nerdtron> brb guys...i'm off to work
[10:19] <xubuntu173> again the neighbour's dog...
[10:19] <ObrienDave> ok nerdtron. have a good night
[10:19] <xubuntu173> ok nerdtron, thx for your help. Have a good night. What kind of work?
[10:20] <ObrienDave> LOL that's a moving icon just to show you that your computer has not locked up
[10:20] <xubuntu173> lucky me!
[10:21] <xubuntu173> shall i just install, or run live?
[10:21] <ObrienDave> go for the full install. wiping out the hard drive
[10:21] <xubuntu173> right! fun.
[10:22] <ObrienDave> well, sometimes you have to start over. nobody likes to :)
[10:24] <xubuntu173> ejected. error on screen: * starting mount network filesystems / * stooping mount network filesystems  / cpid: exiting / speech-dispatcher disabled: edit   etc
[10:25] <xubuntu173> first time btw that the error remained on the screen so that I could read what it said
[10:26] <ObrienDave> ok, time for drastic measures. let me call my wife before we do this. boot the computer with the DVD into live mode. back in about 10 minutes. ok?
[10:26] <xubuntu173> fine with me!
[10:26] <ObrienDave> ok. this wont be pretty. lol
[10:27] <xubuntu173> I wonder why you need to call your wife...
[10:30] <xubuntu173> again ejected before the choice could be made. Again an error saying something the same on the speech dispatcher
[10:33] <ObrienDave> dang. try the first iso file again. that one booted into the live system
[10:34] <xubuntu173> doing that right now.
[10:35] <ObrienDave> my wife is 1000 miles away. i needed to give her a wake up call for work ;)
[10:37] <xubuntu173> ok. was afraid she was needed to do some drastic measures.
[10:38] <ObrienDave> lol. i'm old and slow. that would probably give me a heart attack :)
[10:39] <xubuntu173> you would know that best!
[10:40] <xubuntu173> again ejected with a speech ..  error message
[10:40] <xubuntu173> would it be an idea to format the hd first?
[10:41] <xubuntu173> (but I don't know how to do that)
[10:41] <xubuntu173> just an idea to get a fresh and clean start
[10:41] <ObrienDave> dang. that's what we're going to do. but you must get into a live system to do that
[10:41] <xubuntu173> dang!
[10:42] <xubuntu173> sorry, dang?
[10:42] <ObrienDave> we need to get the DVD to boot. don't want to go for install just yet
[10:43] <xubuntu173> and again she ejected...
[10:43] <xubuntu173> before the boot was complete
[10:43] <ObrienDave> you can't get into live mode now???
[10:43] <xubuntu173> but the dog is still chasing it's tail!
[10:44] <xubuntu173> I mean, the screen hasn't gone black (yet)
[10:44] <xubuntu173> It;s staying like this. I'll make another try.
[10:44] <ObrienDave> do you even get the DVD boot menu?
[10:45] <xubuntu173> no
[10:45] <ObrienDave> the one that says "try Xubuntu without installing"
[10:45] <xubuntu173> correct. I didnt get to there
[10:46] <xubuntu173> another try is running now
[10:47] <ObrienDave> dang. ok, let's try a new ISO file. re-download from here.... http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/13.04/release/
[10:47] <xubuntu173> and stopped again
[10:47] <ObrienDave> just curious, how much RAM is in your PC?
[10:47] <xubuntu173> that link is the same as where I got the last iso from
[10:48] <xubuntu173> 4Gb
[10:48] <ObrienDave> ok, that is plenty. more that that and i would have suggested the 64 bit iso
[10:48] <xubuntu173> try the 64?
[10:49] <ObrienDave> it cant hurt
[10:49] <xubuntu173> I don't know if the laptop can handle than
[10:49] <ObrienDave> then keep trying 32 bit
[10:50] <xubuntu173> What would be the requirement for a 64 bit system?
[10:51] <ObrienDave> the 32 bit iso is safer if your not sure
[10:51] <ObrienDave> it MUST be a 64 bit CPU
[10:52] <ObrienDave> AMD64, Intel, I5 or I7 and so forth
[10:53] <ObrienDave> if your not sure, stick with the 32 bit file
[10:54] <ObrienDave> need coffee. brb
[10:54] <xubuntu173> it has a intel duo core 2 Ghz CPU
[10:54] <xubuntu173> yeah, me too
[10:55] <ObrienDave> k
[10:56] <ObrienDave> can your comp boot from a USB stick?
[10:57] <xubuntu173> yes
[10:58] <ObrienDave> what OS is on the computer you are chatting with me on?
[10:58] <xubuntu173> Vista
[10:58] <ObrienDave> ok
[10:59] <ObrienDave> have you gotten a new ISO file yet?
[11:00] <xubuntu173> yes, I have the last one you suggested, both in 32 and 64
[11:01] <ObrienDave> cool. ok, burn the 32 bit file to a DVD, please
[11:02] <xubuntu173> ok
[11:02] <ObrienDave> and let's try to get the computer to boot into live mode
[11:03] <ObrienDave> you know what, let's try the 64 bit file. if it boots, all is good
[11:04] <xubuntu173> it's burning the 32 now.
[11:04] <ObrienDave> sorry, getting tired. been a long day
[11:04] <ObrienDave> ok, that's fine
[11:05] <xubuntu173> btw, I will need to get out in about 10 min. Be back after half an hour.
[11:05] <xubuntu173> you get your rest, I'll try with this. will chat again when you're back then
[11:05] <xubuntu173> No problem. And good for me because I also need to do something else than only playing around with a laptop.
[11:05] <ObrienDave> ok. I work nights. this is my normal awake time :)
[11:07] <xubuntu173> the 64 is going to be bruned now. Will be back in about half an hour.
[11:07] <ObrienDave> ok. see you then. have fun
[11:08] <xubuntu173> yeah right!
[12:00] <xubuntu173> back again. 64 iso was burned. Put it in, came to the choice of the live part. klicked on that, and after 10 sec, the laptop went black again.
[12:01] <ObrienDave> well, wb. ok, let's try burning the 32 bit file to DVD
[12:05] <xubuntu173> done it again, it again the speec error which came on screen short.
[12:05] <xubuntu173> the last 32 is already burned on. So I'll try that one.
[12:05] <ObrienDave> GRRRRRRRR. ok. are you familiar with UNetbootin?
[12:07] <ObrienDave> http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[12:08] <ObrienDave> btw, are you using the same DVDrw each time?
[12:09] <xubuntu173> no, not familiar with that. And I meanwhile have 4 different dvd´s. Not RW.
[12:10] <ObrienDave> ok. let's try making a bootable USB stick, shall we?
[12:11] <xubuntu173> ok, tell me!
[12:11] <ObrienDave> DL the windows version of UNetbootin from the above link and install on this computer. please
[12:14] <xubuntu173> ok, done. HAve a screen where I´m asked what distribution and version. Xubunto?
[12:14] <ObrienDave> You will need a USB stick of at least 2GB. the bigger the better
[12:14] <xubuntu173> I have one with 16
[12:15] <ObrienDave> very cool. ok. we will DL a new ISO if needed. for now just plug in your USB drive
[12:15] <xubuntu173> ok
[12:16] <ObrienDave> at the bottom, make sure your USB stick shows up as the proper drive letter AND size.
[12:17] <xubuntu173> I see that 12.04 is the latest version here. Choose live version
[12:18] <xubuntu173> It indeeed shows the proper USB but does not say anything on the size.
[12:18] <ObrienDave> no, we are going to try one of the ISO files you already have first.
[12:18] <ObrienDave> OK, the Linux version may be different
[12:18] <xubuntu173> ok, clear. Which one?
[12:19] <ObrienDave> oh, i'm not sure if it matters at this point......
[12:19] <xubuntu173> shall we go safe, for the 32?
[12:20] <ObrienDave> now, I must warn you, if we don't do this right, we can really mess up your current operating system. ok?
[12:21] <xubuntu173> allright. This is your waiver of liability?
[12:21] <xubuntu173> lol
[12:21] <ObrienDave> LOL yep, pretty much :))
[12:21] <xubuntu173> what can go wrong? It seens the choices are pretty clear!
[12:23] <ObrienDave> ok, now that UNet sees the drive, click diskimage button
[12:24] <ObrienDave> on that same row, the right most button is the file requester. click that and find the ISO file you want to send to the USB drive
[12:24] <xubuntu173> done that. Have the 32 bit file. is that ok?
[12:24] <ObrienDave> sure.
[12:25] <xubuntu173> ok. I get that done now.
[12:25] <xubuntu173> or is there something else to do?
[12:26] <ObrienDave> just to recap,....
[12:26] <ObrienDave> we have the proper ISO file selected AND the USB drive is recognized?
[12:26] <xubuntu173> yep
[12:27] <xubuntu173> do I need to fill something in for the amount of Mb for user files?
[12:27] <ObrienDave> you can if you want to use the USB stick as its own OS. comes in handy sometimes :)
[12:28] <xubuntu173> not necessary for this one. Have several others.
[12:28] <ObrienDave> I suggest up to half of the USB capacity
[12:28] <xubuntu173> ok. done
[12:28] <ObrienDave> here we go. press ok if you are SURE we are set correctly
[12:29] <xubuntu173> it's running
[12:29] <ObrienDave> cool. give it a few minutes then plug it into the laptop and reboot it
[12:29] <xubuntu173> 198 files. now at 5%
[12:30] <ObrienDave> it will take a few. time for a potty break. brb
[12:31] <xubuntu173> time for some other business to take off. brb when it's done
[12:34] <ObrienDave> ok
[12:46] <xubuntu173> ok, done. USB is ready. No harm done. Sofar.
[12:46] <xubuntu173> laptop is rebooting
[12:47] <ObrienDave> cool. and very cool
[12:47] <xubuntu173> it is now rebooting and shows the xubunto page with that dog again. Correct?
[12:48] <ObrienDave> *crosses fingers*
[12:49] <xubuntu173> I have now a screen which appears the xubunto screen: 5 icons left, some blue circles right below and a black line on top. Correct?
[12:49] <ObrienDave> sounds good so far
[12:49] <xubuntu173> the lowest icon says: install Xubu...
[12:49] <ObrienDave> cool! let's try that first
[12:50] <ObrienDave> please select the overwrite option when you get there
[12:50] <xubuntu173> but it does not respond to the mouseklick
[12:51] <xubuntu173> now it does. I have to be patient.
[12:51] <xubuntu173> Difficult after this hassle.
[12:51] <ObrienDave> you can use up and down cursor keys and space bar to select. patience is a virtue ;))
[12:51] <ObrienDave> and I have no virtues. LOL
[12:52] <xubuntu173> choose for updates dl during install?
[12:52] <xubuntu173> yeah, sure.
[12:52] <ObrienDave> yes, please
[12:52] <xubuntu173> well, with you wife another 1.000 miles away, you can be patient!
[12:52] <ObrienDave> yep, I don't much else to do between work shifts
[12:53] <xubuntu173> ok, it's going to overwrite!
[12:54] <ObrienDave> well, this is a good thing. seems most of the problems was with a bad burn to the DVD. happens often. very cool!
[12:55] <ObrienDave> BTW, what is the speed rating of your burner and DVDs?
[12:57] <ObrienDave> I recommend the disks be at least 50% faster that the burner. 100% faster is better
[12:57] <ObrienDave> *than the burner
[12:59] <ObrienDave> if your burner is a 4X rating, you want your disks to be at least 6X or 8X speed
[13:00] <ObrienDave> still with me?
[13:02] <xubuntu173> Frankly, I do not know.
[13:03] <xubuntu173> Meanwhile worst case scenario happened. Installation shut off .... while I was away from the desk.
[13:03] <xubuntu173> Booting again.
[13:04] <ObrienDave> dang
[13:04] <xubuntu173> what's dang?
[13:04] <ObrienDave> a polite american slang word for damn
[13:05] <xubuntu173> Ok. Like the s! word
[13:05] <ObrienDave> yup. similar.
[13:06] <Pici> more polite
[13:06] <xubuntu173> like we say, chips
[13:06] <Pici> possibly
[13:07] <ObrienDave> oh, geez louise, there are others alive here. ;))
[13:08] <ObrienDave> ok, well peer, are you ready to get mean and nasty with your laptop?
[13:12] <xubuntu173> yes, let's get it over with. Throw it over the side?
[13:13] <ObrienDave> LOL that's going to be our last resort.
[13:13] <xubuntu173> it f&*&! worked well on xp; Then it should work like clockwork on Xubunto, isn't it?
[13:13] <ObrienDave> ok, reboot using the USB stick and go into live mode please
[13:14] <xubuntu173> even that is not working anymore.
[13:15] <xubuntu173> gonna do the trick with boot installer again.
[13:15] <ObrienDave> ok.
[13:18] <ObrienDave> you mean UNetbootin?
[13:20] <xubuntu173> yep
[13:20] <xubuntu173> just completed again
[13:20] <xubuntu173> next try
[13:21] <ObrienDave> ok. this time lets NOT update files while installing
[13:22] <xubuntu173> good suggestion! that's what I have always done sofar
[13:22] <ObrienDave> unless you want to try the mean and nasty way ;)
[13:22] <xubuntu173> don't challenge me!
[13:23] <ObrienDave> that's going to be next. your laptop is making me mad LOL
[13:25] <xubuntu173> This is realy going fast, already in the file copy screen. Only seen this once or twice. Fingers crossed...
[13:25] <ObrienDave> we're hoping...
[13:25] <xubuntu173> btw, it is installing the latest version 13.04. Without having chosen to update.
[13:26] <xubuntu173> system is going to be installed....
[13:26] <ObrienDave> cool, i hope
[13:27] <xubuntu173> when installing apt, screen black ...
[13:27] <xubuntu173> shall now startup without the usb disk
[13:27] <ObrienDave> hang on,
[13:27] <ObrienDave> NO
[13:27] <xubuntu173> maybe install was ready?
[13:27] <ObrienDave> no, is the hard drive light flashing like normal drive access?
[13:28] <xubuntu173> it was
[13:29] <ObrienDave> let it work. it could be just a screensaver turning off the screen. press space bar
[13:29] <xubuntu173> it stopped completely. I will now first check the drive. That's running nw.
[13:30] <ObrienDave> ok
[13:30] <xubuntu173> no errors found, reboot.
[13:30] <ObrienDave> ok
[13:31] <ObrienDave> since you have no other OS on this computer, i'm not sure if you should get a GRUB menu on reboot
[13:32] <xubuntu173> it's from the USB I think.
[13:33] <xubuntu173> booting again as before
[13:33] <ObrienDave> is the USB still in the comp?
[13:33] <xubuntu173> yes
[13:34] <ObrienDave> ok, let's take that out of the comp when safe to do so
[13:35] <xubuntu173> the screen with the dog is on again. Try another install?
[13:35] <xubuntu173> I will now choose for english iso dutch. Could that be something?
[13:36] <ObrienDave> no, that should not be a problem. just when it reboots remove USB
[13:37] <xubuntu173> mmm. it now immediatley comes with a speech error.
[13:37] <xubuntu173> ok usb is out
[13:38] <xubuntu173> what's next; a hammer and hit any key to continue?
[13:38] <ObrienDave> i do not get the speech error at all. reboot with no USB
[13:40] <xubuntu173> that's no option, the laptop is without any OS.
[13:40] <ObrienDave> if this does not work, I would like to try UNetbootin with the 64 bit ISO. ok?
[13:40] <xubuntu173> ok.
[13:40] <ObrienDave> ok, i thought that's what would happen
[13:41] <ObrienDave> if the 64 bit ISO doesn't work. I am going to get mean and nasty with your laptop. it won't be pretty. LOL
[13:42] <xubuntu173> I don't care. One way or the other. He needs to be punished!
[13:42] <ObrienDave> LOL
[13:44] <xubuntu173> installing the 64
[13:44] <ObrienDave> I have not yet begun to get mean. getting closer by the minute ;)
[13:44] <xubuntu173> lol
[13:44] <ObrienDave> ok. quick smoke. brb
[13:46] <ObrienDave> if the install fails, i would like you to try to get it into live mode. then we will get mean
[13:46] <xubuntu173> isn't there a way to first format the HD and then do a clean install?
[13:48] <ObrienDave> yes, that is the getting mean part ;)
[13:48] <ObrienDave> that is what we need the live mode for
[13:49] <xubuntu173> usb done with 64. is now in the laptop and booting
[13:50] <ObrienDave> ok
[13:50] <ObrienDave> go into live mode on the USB
[13:50] <xubuntu173> immediately go for that option, or first try to have the 64 installed?
[13:50] <ObrienDave> nope, i'm MAD now
[13:51] <xubuntu173> ok
[13:51] <xubuntu173> clear
[13:52] <ObrienDave> ok, let me know when you get the desktop running
[13:52] <ObrienDave> I mean when it looks like a normal OS
[13:53] <xubuntu173> yep
[13:53] <xubuntu173> the dog is running...
[13:54] <ObrienDave> ok, under applications menu, accessories, look for Gparted
[13:54] <xubuntu173> this is taking very long...
[13:54] <ObrienDave> USB sticks are slower than HDs
[13:55] <ObrienDave> still have the dog?
[13:56] <xubuntu173> yeah, but with the 32 version was the start up was a lot quicker
[13:56] <xubuntu173> did a restart
[13:56] <xubuntu173> yes, now I have the normal OS screen
[13:57] <ObrienDave> ok, find Gparted and run it
[13:57] <ObrienDave> this means your laptop is a 64 bit system. very good
[13:57] <xubuntu173> while under accessories, black screen laptop poower off.
[13:58] <ObrienDave> oh dang. it powered off?
[13:59] <xubuntu173> yep,  just by itself..
[13:59] <xubuntu173> it definitely needs to be punished
[14:00] <ObrienDave> GRRRRRRRR. ok, go back through UNetbootin and use the 32 bit ISO to make a new USB, please
[14:02] <xubuntu173> ok sir
[14:03] <ObrienDave> ok, NOW i'm MAD!
[14:05] <ObrienDave> and then boot into live mode. let me know when you get there
[14:10] <xubuntu173> I have the OS screen again.
[14:11] <ObrienDave> ok, let's find Gparted please
[14:11] <xubuntu173> there's no Gparted here under accessoires
[14:12] <ObrienDave> try system
[14:12] <ObrienDave> it's somewhere in the menu
[14:12] <xubuntu173> neither, there only gigolo, I bus and Task MAnager
[14:13] <ObrienDave> ok. is the laptop connected to the internet?
[14:13] <xubuntu173> yep
[14:14] <xubuntu173> I was about going to use the Software centre
[14:14] <ObrienDave> ok, open that and install GParted
[14:14] <ObrienDave> that will install it to the USB
[14:15] <xubuntu173> should I have the partition editor, or the KDE partition manager
[14:15] <ObrienDave> editor
[14:15] <xubuntu173> I guess the Gparted partition editor
[14:15] <xubuntu173> ok
[14:16] <ObrienDave> i have never used the KDE manager
[14:16] <xubuntu173> while choosig that one, the laptop blacked and powered off.
[14:16] <xubuntu173> who has a gun?
[14:17] <elfy> it powers off - or the screensaver starts?
[14:17] <xubuntu173> light out, all of them. Seems a power off....
[14:17] <ObrienDave> press space bar or move the mouse
[14:18] <xubuntu173> nothing, also the fan stopped instantly
[14:18] <elfy> why would you expect the kde partition manager ?
[14:18] <xubuntu173> this is gonna be the last time I'm starting up
[14:19] <ObrienDave> i'm trying to get to a un partitioned hard drive.
[14:20] <elfy> have the iso's been checked - md5sum ?
[14:20] <elfy> if they are ok and the burns ok it looks like hardware issues to me
[14:21] <ObrienDave> did it have these problems under windows?
[14:22] <ObrienDave> i'm suspecting a bad HD partition table
[14:22] <xubuntu173> nope. worked for days in a row, no problems. But as I have a new laptop now, I wanted to do some testing with the old one on a simpler OS.
[14:23] <xubuntu173> That laptop was in use since new, about 2006. No problems, XP Pro.
[14:24] <xubuntu173> what I will do, I wil ghet the HD out, and format it outside the laptop. What would be the best partition mode?
[14:24] <xubuntu173> on the other hand, when going live, we do not use the HD, do we?
[14:25] <ObrienDave> no. we need to get rid of the partition info.
[14:27] <ObrienDave> ok, last resort try going back through UNetbootin and select the 13.04_live file
[14:27] <xubuntu173> ok, meanwhile I have another try, and got the gparted. where is it installed? Can't find it under access
[14:27] <ObrienDave> try system
[14:28] <xubuntu173> forget it. black again and power off
[14:28] <elfy> gparted is in settings manager
[14:29] <ObrienDave> ok. we need to DL the 32 bit ISOs again and make sure the MD5 is correct
[14:30] <ObrienDave> no more messing around LOL
[14:30] <elfy> ObrienDave: check the md5sum's first - why try downloading again until sure
[14:31] <elfy> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM#MD5SUM_on_Windows
[14:31] <xubuntu173> I have checked that already. not possible to open
[14:31] <ObrienDave> he can DL the ISO in about 2 minutes
[14:31] <elfy> what do you mean not possible to open?
[14:32] <elfy> xubuntu173: ^^
[14:34] <ObrienDave> he can DL the ISO in about 2 minutes LOL
[14:35] <elfy> so can I - but why bother if it's never getting checked
[14:36] <xubuntu173> the checksum is false
[14:36] <ObrienDave> ok, peer, read the instructions above and let's check it
[14:36] <xubuntu173> just done; false
[14:38] <ObrienDave> ok, DL another, and check it until we get a good file
[14:38] <elfy> xubuntu173: are you using a windows machine to get the download ?
[14:38] <ObrienDave> yes he is
[14:38] <elfy> ok
[14:41] <xubuntu173> working on it
[14:42] <ObrienDave> no problem. keep at it until you get a good file
[14:49] <xubuntu173> but, considering that as well as with the dvd burned iso as with the USB, the problem persisted, it doesn't seem to come from either of that. Seems a laptop problem.
[14:50] <xubuntu173> What can it be, when it had been running smoothly on XP? Thought always that Windows was sensitive.
[14:52] <ObrienDave> like elfy said, if the checksums don't match, your just beating your head against a wall trying to use the same file
[14:52] <xubuntu173> i'm in gparted again. what and how should I format? I have sda1 partition and a extended sda2 with a sub: linux swap sda5
[14:53] <ObrienDave> ok, you have a good MD5 match?
[14:53] <xubuntu173> no
[14:53] <xubuntu173> it;s with the last 32 file
[14:54] <xubuntu173> I've dl 4 of them, all mismatch
[14:54] <elfy> xubuntu173: where are you getting them from?
[14:54] <xubuntu173> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/13.04/release/
[14:55] <xubuntu173> http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-cdimage-xubuntu/releases/13.04/release/
[14:56] <xubuntu173> can you give me some advise on what to do in gparted
[14:56] <ObrienDave> ok, sda1 should show ext4 mounted as /
[14:56] <ObrienDave> sorry, mount point should be /
[14:57] <xubuntu173> yes, it did. Just turned off again
[14:57] <xubuntu173> any web link as an example?
[14:58] <elfy> xubuntu173: example of what - using gparted?
[14:58] <ObrienDave> ok. at this point, have you checked the ISO files on your HD? not the DVD
[14:58] <xubuntu173> yes, using gparted and how to best set up the HD
[14:59] <xubuntu173> Yes, checked the iso's on the HD.
[14:59] <elfy> I'd use a usb rather than a dvd to be honest
[14:59] <xubuntu173> I'm using a USB
[14:59] <ObrienDave> we've tried both
[15:00] <elfy> ok
[15:00] <ObrienDave> my brain is frazzled
[15:00] <elfy> xubuntu173: I'd stick with usb - so we know we've got a good iso - have you redone the usb with that good iso?
[15:00] <elfy> ObrienDave: :)
[15:01] <ObrienDave> do we have a good ISO yet?
[15:02] <elfy> xubuntu173: if you keep getting failed iso's with a direct download then I'd suggest using a torrent to get it
[15:02] <elfy> pointless do anything until there is a good iso
[15:03] <ObrienDave> agreed
[15:03] <xubuntu173> I'm new on torrents. How to get one via that?
[15:04] <elfy> install a torrent client on your machine - maybe utorrent
[15:04] <ObrienDave> you need a torrent client. bittorrent is about the best for windows
[15:04] <elfy> then go here http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/raring/release/desktop/xubuntu-13.04-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[15:05] <ObrienDave> i should say bittorrent is the original
[15:06] <ObrienDave> we're not convinced his machine is 64 bit
[15:07] <ObrienDave> worth a shot if it is
[15:07] <xubuntu173> correct, you also have a link for the 32? Downloading utorrent. first one I found
[15:07] <elfy> http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/raring/release/desktop/xubuntu-13.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[15:08] <ObrienDave> dang, elfy. you're either really quick or i'm really tired and slow LOL
[15:08] <elfy> :)
[15:08] <ObrienDave> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/13.04/release/xubuntu-13.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[15:09] <elfy> http://www.intel.com/products/processor/core2duo/specifications.htm?iid=prod_core2duo+tab_spec
[15:09] <elfy> 64bit
[15:10] <elfy> if that's the cpu
[15:10] <ObrienDave> cool
[15:12] <xubuntu173> ok guys, it's downloading
[15:13] <xubuntu173> a bit slower. Another 3 minutes for the 64 bit
[15:17] <noiro> Anyone know how to fix the bug during installation where it hangs infinitely before selecting mount points?
[15:17] <noiro> 13.04
[15:17] <ObrienDave> looked at HPs website. does not say either way about 32 or 64 bit
[15:18] <ObrienDave> oops, found a reference to Win XP Pro 64. my bad
[15:19] <ObrienDave> http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?objectID=c00724653&lang=en&cc=us&taskId=101&prodSeriesId=1839150
[15:21] <xubuntu173> none of the iso's via utorrent matched
[15:22] <noiro> Does 13.04 not able to unmount a partition? I was asked if the installer should attempt to unmount the partitions or else it would be unable to write/read to it, after that it just hangs. I've heard this is a pretty common issue.
[15:22] <ObrienDave> 8b7d7168b67c58307fa46d683d98c68e *xubuntu-13.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[15:22] <ObrienDave> 1048df77899ca8d9d6ba23427b4d6259 *xubuntu-13.04-desktop-i386.iso
[15:23] <ObrienDave> are those the numbers you are checking to, peer?
[15:24] <xubuntu173> yep,
[15:24] <xubuntu173> try again via torrent
[15:26] <ObrienDave> peer, keep trying the 64 bit file
[15:27] <noiro> ...
[15:28] <xubuntu173> it's in again and it's matching!
[15:28] <ObrienDave> noiro==> not sure about that issue. sorry
[15:28] <xubuntu173> putting it on the USB now
[15:28] <ObrienDave> oh, very cool! get that dang file on a USB quick!
[15:29] <ObrienDave> ok. brb
[15:31] <ObrienDave> back
[15:32] <xubuntu173> usb ready, now in laptop
[15:33] <xubuntu173> booting
[15:33] <elfy> press a key
[15:33] <ObrienDave> go for the install
[15:33] <elfy> then you should see a menu - choose the memtest one
[15:33] <ObrienDave> what elfy said. im burnt
[15:34] <xubuntu173> it then says: cannot load a ramdisk with an old kernel image
[15:35] <ObrienDave> it did not finish booting. reboot
[15:36] <xubuntu173> meanwhile did the disk check, which actually did it. No errors
[15:36] <ObrienDave> very good
[15:36] <elfy> might be an error with unetbootin and memtest
[15:37] <xubuntu173> tried it again, upon enter, it reloaded the bootmenu
[15:37] <elfy> checking here
[15:38] <xubuntu173> doing nothing, booted default. HAve the OS screen now.
[15:39] <elfy> xubuntu173: you at the unetbootin menu?
[15:39] <xubuntu173> already at the OS screen
[15:39] <elfy> k - start the install
[15:39] <xubuntu173> should i go back?
[15:40] <elfy> nope - let's just go on
[15:40] <xubuntu173> so I see the OS screen now
[15:40] <elfy> clikc the install button
[15:40] <xubuntu173> it's installing now
[15:40] <elfy> ok
[15:41] <xubuntu173> should I include updates during install?
[15:41] <ObrienDave> no updates yet please. let's get it installed first
[15:41] <xubuntu173> or better not?
[15:41] <xubuntu173> ok
[15:41] <elfy> I'd not atm
[15:43] <ObrienDave> back in a few minutes
[15:44] <xubuntu173> black screen again!!! powered off.
[15:44] <elfy> ok - moving mouse doesn't do anything?
[15:44] <xubuntu173> nope
[15:44] <xubuntu173> fan and lights are off
[15:44] <elfy> let's try checking the memory then
[15:45] <xubuntu173> ok reboot
[15:45] <elfy> reboot - at the menu - choose test memory - press tab
[15:45] <xubuntu173> ok, done
[15:46] <xubuntu173> and then?
[15:46] <elfy> then backspace over the initrd=/ubninit so it just says /install/mt86plus then press enter
[15:46] <elfy> memtest should start ok then - leave it for a while
[15:47] <xubuntu173> ok, it's running
[15:47] <elfy> seems like you have some hardware issues going on - I assume if it's a laptop you've got mains to it
[15:49] <xubuntu173> yes, it's connected, all day
[15:49] <elfy> ok - just checking :)
[15:52] <elfy> xubuntu173: how's the memtest going?
[15:58] <ObrienDave> oh no, another power off?
[15:59] <elfy> xubuntu173: how's the memtest going?
[15:59] <xubuntu173> well, just came back at the desk and the laptop was black again, is that normal after a memtest?
[16:00] <elfy> memtest doesn't stop until you tell it to
[16:00] <ObrienDave> i dont think so. not sure. all the lights off?
[16:01] <elfy> I really think you've got hardware issues going on here
[16:02] <xubuntu173> yes, as black and dead as can be
[16:02] <ObrienDave> i don't get it. I am out of ideas. sorry peer
[16:03] <elfy> xubuntu173: you able to take out the memory and reseat it? if you can I'd try that, you could also try booting with acpi off
[16:04] <elfy> but I'm not convinced
[16:04] <xubuntu173> I'll have look for that
[16:04] <xubuntu173> what are you not convinced about?
[16:04] <elfy> that we'll get anywhere - you've been trying to get past it dying on you all day ;)
[16:05] <ObrienDave> try swapping the memory from one slot to the other
[16:06] <xubuntu173> I'm on base ground here, and it's too warm with the windows open. Otherwise it would have been laying outside. On the other hand, I do want to get to know what's making it not to work.
[16:06] <xubuntu173> Dang thing!
[16:07] <ObrienDave> go find a big hammer LOL
[16:09] <ObrienDave> when did you get rid of windows on that machine? yesterday?
[16:11] <xubuntu173> during first attempt to install Xubunto
[16:12] <ObrienDave> yes, but that was just yesterday, yes?
[16:13] <ObrienDave> I just can't see this many hardware problems showing up in a few hours.
[16:14] <xubuntu173> that was yesterday yes
[16:16] <ObrienDave> only thing I can think of is to DL 12.04 and see if that would work. I do know where to DL even older versions
[16:17] <elfy> you can try acpi=off and nomodeset
[16:17] <ObrienDave> it's worth a try, peer
[16:18] <xubuntu173> ok, do you have torrent version of 12.04. 64 bit?
[16:19] <ObrienDave> yep. one sec
[16:20] <ObrienDave> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/12.04/release/xubuntu-12.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[16:20] <xubuntu173> of course, I can find that one as well
[16:20] <ObrienDave> i go through this site. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/
[16:21] <elfy> xubuntu173: boot the usb - at the menu hit tab on the try xubuntu option
[16:21] <elfy> so you are can edit the boot line
[16:23] <ObrienDave> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/xubuntu/releases/12.04/release/xubuntu-12.04-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[16:24] <elfy> ObrienDave: you do know that 12.04.3 is actually still a current option ... http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/
[16:24] <ObrienDave> yes, but he asked for 12.04
[16:25] <elfy> xubuntu173: then you need to put acpi=off nomodeset before the quiet splash bit
[16:26] <elfy> ObrienDave: yea - but then as soon as they'd installed hundreds of Mb's of updates they'd have 12.04.3
[16:27] <ObrienDave> yes, I know. I'm just trying to get something working on the laptop. this makes no sense to me what so ever. my brain is frazzled
[16:28] <xubuntu173> the iso is form 12.04.3
[16:28] <ObrienDave> the second link is 12.04
[16:29] <xubuntu173> I'm still thinking on the mem test cut out. My machine had 4G internal mem. What is the minimum necessary?
[16:30] <elfy> 512Mb
[16:30] <xubuntu173> The mem cut out would indicate a mem problem. Which could mean that not mem is available? Does that make sense?
[16:30] <ObrienDave> i could send you 4.10 LOL see? i'm tired and punchy ;)
[16:30] <xubuntu173> sorry, that not all mem is available.
[16:31] <elfy> xubuntu173: have you taken the memory out and reseated it?
[16:31] <xubuntu173> I have to open teh laptop quite a bit, will be something for the weekend I think.
[16:31] <elfy> not easy then
[16:32] <xubuntu173> no correct. not many laptops with easy access to mem
[16:32] <elfy> most I've seen are easy enough - usually a couple of screws on the back, remove a flap
[16:32] <xubuntu173> ok guys, 12.04.3 is ready for launching
[16:33] <ObrienDave> give it a go :))
[16:36] <ObrienDave> lowest version of Xubuntu with a torrent I can find is 6.06. (boy, do I need a nap)
[16:37] <ObrienDave> sorry, my sense of humor gets really strange when I'm tired :)
[16:41] <xubuntu173> you get an nap Dave. sl
[16:41] <ObrienDave> soon, very soon.
[16:42] <xubuntu173> checked the mem. I don't have 4 G at all, only 1! Does that make a diff?
[16:44] <elfy> it'll work fine
[16:47] <xubuntu173> the mem test is running again
[16:48] <ObrienDave> memtest will keep going until you stop it
[16:50] <ObrienDave> you can stop it at anytime without hurting your machine
[16:50] <noiro> So I suppose there's no solution to the installation freezing before I can look at the partition screen?
[16:51] <elfy> noiro: can you restate your issue - other people will be about I expect
[16:52] <ObrienDave> noiro==> no one said there was no solution. just that whoever is actually here may not have an answer for you
[16:52] <noiro> elfy: Basically whenever I try to install Xubuntu, it the waiting icon for the mouse sits and hangs indefinitely after I hit Next to move to the partition screen portion of the installation for 13.04
[16:54] <ObrienDave> sorry peer. I must leave for a while. wish I could have been better able to help you.
[16:54] <ObrienDave> elfy==> thanks for your help. appreciated your input
[16:55] <elfy> welcome ObrienDave
[16:55] <elfy> noiro: I'll have a look shortly - dinner is ready ...
[16:56] <ObrienDave> good luck with that laptop peer, keep in touch please
[16:58] <Guest13263> How do i turn of automatic superscipt of 1 to 3, ie, i want x^2 instead of x²
[17:01] <xubuntu173> Sorry Dave, just returned. Thanks for your help!
[17:02] <xubuntu173> I'll keep in touch via ths channel. Sleep well!
[17:23] <elfy> noiro: sorry - I'm back now
[17:23] <noiro> alrighty. Any ideas? Supposedly it's pretty common with people, but I have yet to see a a fix
[17:24] <elfy> you in the live session now?
[17:26] <noiro> elfy, yup
[17:26] <noiro> I can close the window if you want. I've tried running it without updating and with updating
[17:27] <elfy> is it not trying to install at the moment?
[17:27] <elfy> if it's not - open file manager from accessories menu - right click on any existing partitions - unmount
[17:27] <elfy> then try running the installer
[17:29] <noiro> I tried that. Gparted also infinitely gives the message "Scanning for devices..."
[17:30] <noiro> I can unmount, but it takes it a while to mount and access.
[17:30] <elfy> any windows partitions?
[17:30] <elfy> does gparted show any messages against partitions?
[17:32] <noiro> None. It is stick at "Scanning all devices" before it can show anything
[17:33] <noiro> It's an older HDD that booted before.
[17:36] <elfy> noiro: try opening a terminal and sudo apt-get install gnome-disk-utility &&gnome-disks
[17:36] <elfy> see if you can get any smart data about the drives
[17:39] <elfy> xubuntu173: what's your install state like now?
[17:40] <noiro> I installed gnome-disk-utility, but it couldn't find gnome-disks. How do I launch it? It doesn't find it if I try to launch gnome-disk-utility from terminal
[17:40] <elfy> it's gnome-disks
[17:42] <noiro> it's not finding it
[17:43] <elfy> did it actaully install?
[17:44] <noiro> it can't find gnome-disks
[17:44] <elfy> sudo apt-get install gnome-disk-utility
[17:44] <bazhang> !info gnome-disks
[17:45] <elfy> bazhang: you install the -utility thing - you run the gnome-disks
[17:45] <bazhang> elfy, thats correct
[17:45] <elfy> !info gnome-disk-utility
[17:52] <noiro> elfy: I got it running and removed all previous partitions from the HDD. It opened fine. Same issue.
[17:53] <elfy> I'm afraid I don't know how to get past that issue - not finding much either
[17:54] <elfy> I know I never met the issue - I probably installed 13.04 about 20 times
[18:11] <noiro> elfy: I am now trying a new Harddrive and it seems to be doing the same thing. HDD light turns on occasionally as does DVD light...it is doing something, but I have no idea what
[18:14] <elfy> noiro: go to ctrl+alt+f1
[18:15] <elfy> see what it says there
[18:15] <elfy> you checked the iso you're using before you started I assume
[18:33] <Solweig> Hi brainwash !
[20:06] <xubuntu-fanatic> hi ! i just install xubuntu 13.10 beta
[20:07] <xubuntu-fanatic> i have installed xubuntu 13.10 beta 64bit and i can't find ia32-libs package why ?  Does it means that i will not be able to run steam and other 32bit apps
[20:08] <Sysi> beta questions are ansvered in #ubuntu+1 (also xubuntu ones)
[20:11] <xubuntu-fanatic> my previous installation of xubuntu 12.04 64bit has broken .... i guess its because of me adding many repos .....
[20:11] <brainwash> or try #xubuntu-devel
[20:12] <xubuntu-fanatic> i hope ubuntu would be a rolling release
[20:12] <xubuntu-fanatic> no reformats etc
[20:31] <peyam> hi
[20:31] <peyam> Anybody knows how to add items to docky?
[23:15] <Ludovik> This is a stupid question I know but: I was wondering how to configure saturation of my desktop? My wallpaper is way too bright and looks washed out and Google has not been my friend. Using Xubuntu.
[23:28] <David-A> Ludovik: in Settings>Desktop>Background, don't you have controls for Brightness and Saturation ?
[23:29] <Ludovik> David-A: It's now showing up properly. I'm not sure why my background options weren't working before. Thanks though. Looks much better.