[00:53] <melmoth> anyone have deployed swift with tempauth ? I cannot use swift with "swift -U system:root -K testpass -A https://10.55.32.36:8080/v1/AUTH_system stat
[00:53] <melmoth> "
[00:53] <melmoth> no idea if i m doing something wrong or if the charm did. I never used tempauth before, but it look to me the charm created an admin user with 'testpass' as a password
[00:57] <dalek49> I think there's an issue in the documentation
[00:57] <dalek49> at https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/getting-started.html, it says to run 'juju init'
[00:57] <dalek49> and what it means is run 'juju init -w'
[00:59] <sarnold> jcastro: what happened to the "report a bug on this page" footer?
[01:00] <jcastro> it got dropped
[01:00] <marcoceppi> dalek49: nope, juju init in versions of juju > 1.12 will create the file if it doesn't exist. The -w doesn't exist anymore
[01:00] <jcastro> we filed a bug to put it back
[01:00] <sarnold> jcastro: haha :)
[01:00] <sarnold> jcastro: thanks
[01:01] <marcoceppi> dalek49: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6068620/
[01:08] <dalek49> marcoceppi: thanks
[01:12] <dalek49> I've been trying to make juju work on a 12.04 desktop, and there have been many corners that have prevented me from getting it up and running.  I just got a micro instance from digital ocean (vps), and I was going to try to get local mode working on it (13.04).  It is also proving difficult.  What is the best way for testing deployments and experimenting?  I'm a poor college student (trying to get servers from
[01:12] <dalek49> school)
[01:12] <dalek49> I had 0.7 working before and then decided to upgrade
[01:14] <sarnold> dalek49: if my memory serves me, you can get multiple free micro nodes from AWS to play with, so long as you don't leave them on continuously..
[01:15] <sarnold> dalek49: the downside is micros are heavily penalized on io and setup can take forever :/
[01:18] <dalek49> sarnold: i didn't know they had free micro instances.  Thanks!
[01:26] <marcoceppi> sarnold: you get 700 hours of compute time from amazon a month using micros
[01:27] <sarnold> marcoceppi: hah, so you could leave one on continuously in february? :)
[01:27] <marcoceppi> sarnold: you get maybe it's 750 hours, but it works out to being a free micro a month
[01:27] <marcoceppi> for up to one year
[01:28] <sarnold> oh! I must be getting close to that year.
[01:28] <sarnold> an important point :)
[03:25] <dalek49> when I bootstrap, why is the ~/.juju directory owned by root?
[03:39] <jcastro> It should be owned by your user
[03:50] <marcoceppi> dalek49: how are you bootstraping?
[03:51] <marcoceppi> dalek49: you should only ever use sudo juju bootstrap when using the local provider
[03:52] <dalek49> marcoceppi: I'm using a local provider right now
[03:52] <marcoceppi> dalek49: did you run sudo juju init ?
[03:53] <dalek49> marcoceppi: yes, but I'm on 1.12.  Would that change things?
[03:53] <marcoceppi> dalek49: You don't need to run sudo for any commands except bootstrap and destroy-environment with the local provider
[03:54] <marcoceppi> all others are used without sudo
[03:54] <marcoceppi> so you just would run juju init
[03:54] <marcoceppi> that's why it's owned as root
[03:56] <dalek49> ooooh.  I see
[04:21] <jose> hey marcoceppi, still around?
[10:59] <gnuoy> hi, I'm doing a fresh deploy and  I have charm stuck with "agent-state: pending" , the machine hosting the charm has agent-state: started and instance-state: ACTIVE. Looking at the log the following output is being reported to the charm log http://paste.ubuntu.com/6069918/ every few seconds. I'm deploying with juju-core 1.13.2-1~1670~precise1
[11:00] <mthaddon> gnuoy: symlinks anywhere?
[11:00] <gnuoy> ohh, interesting
[11:02] <gnuoy> I see symlinks for various things in /var/lib/juju/tools
[11:02] <gnuoy> but no to a charm dir
[11:02] <mthaddon> yeah, I was meaning symlinks in the charm dir you're deploying from
[11:03] <gnuoy> there are symlinks there, yes
[11:03] <gnuoy> I shall purge and redeploy
[11:08] <mthaddon> I think this is a juju-deployer issue rather than a juju issue - checking if there's a bug already
[11:53] <marcoceppi> jose: I am now
[13:01] <Fraber> Hi, where can I join the Ubuntu Juju Charm School?
[13:07] <marcoceppi> Fraber: you'll find it in the channel here, we'll be broadcasting in about 4 hours
[13:07] <jcastro> Fraber: we'll paste in the URL in here
[13:07] <marcoceppi> Fraber: the recordings will also be available online afterwards
[13:08] <Fraber> Thanks, and is there an option to participate right now?
[13:12] <jcastro> feel free to ask questions in here and in askubuntu.com
[13:12] <jcastro> the channel is always open for questions/discussion
[13:15] <jcastro> marcoceppi: let's post the video on the upstream forum this morning! And ours as well!
[13:15] <jcastro> I shared it on G+ last night
[13:19] <marcoceppi> jcastro:
[13:20] <marcoceppi> http://meta.discourse.org/t/all-the-options-to-deploy-discourse-with-their-relative-pros-and-cons/9631?u=marcoceppi
[13:20] <jcastro> nice nice!
[13:22] <jcastro> marcoceppi: should we put it in the existing juju topic we had from before?
[13:22] <marcoceppi> jcastro: I want to create a new and improved Juju post
[13:22] <marcoceppi> but I want it to be /the/ juju and discourse post
[13:22] <marcoceppi> and just have it be a reply as new topic
[13:22] <marcoceppi> to the old one
[13:23] <marcoceppi> jcastro: I need to prep for the charm school, but after cs we can post it
[13:23] <jcastro> ok
[13:23] <jcastro> want me to do it?
[13:23] <marcoceppi> jcastro: sure
[13:35] <jcastro> marcoceppi: can you report that config bug to the GUI team?
[13:35] <marcoceppi> jcastro: let me upgrade to the latest charm and verify
[13:35] <marcoceppi> jcastro: that version of the gui is still last release
[13:36] <jcastro> ok
[13:36] <jcastro> marcoceppi: it can wait until after the CS
[13:36] <jcastro> I just don't want to forget
[13:36] <marcoceppi> jcastro: cool
[13:36] <marcoceppi> jcastro: I'm going to make a video for just deploying discourse with juju (using the gui) so I'll verify it then
[13:38] <jcastro> excellent
[14:12] <mthaddon> bbcmicrocomputer: if I'm understanding the calendar right you're on review rotation at the moment. Can I bug you for a review of https://code.launchpad.net/~mthaddon/charms/precise/pgbouncer/package-holds/+merge/180533 ? It's relatively trivial and has been in the queue for a while
[14:16] <kentb> I'm using juju-core 1.13 and (currently) the standard set of charms pulled in locally for raring using charm getall (i'm behind a firewall).  Is there another set of charms I should be using, primarily for OpenStack?  All of my maas-deployed machines are using 13.04 as the base OS.  I've read on jamespage's blog that "Not all of the OpenStack Charms are
[14:16] <kentb> compatible with the latest version of Juju".
[14:24] <marcoceppi> kentb: the maas machines should be running precise for the most part, not raring (13.04)
[14:25] <marcoceppi> kentb: I think that's a safety statement, from what I've seen, the core charms (if not all of them) work with the latest version of juju
[14:26] <kentb> marcoceppi: ok. thanks. yep. Raring is sort of a band-aid right now.  I'm behind a pretty restrictive firewall, which has so far prevented the 12.04-based images from pulling in the needed SSL-enabled mongodb packages.  From what I understand those are pulled in from a PPA and the lab firewall (from what I can tell) is preventing that ppa from getting added.
[14:27] <marcoceppi> kentb: ah, gotchya
[14:27] <marcoceppi> kentb: it might be worthwhile adding *.launchpad.net to the firewall, if you have that power
[14:29] <bbcmicrocomputer> mthaddon: I am on review but I'm really pre-occupied with some other things that have to be done by EOD.. sorry :(
[14:29] <mthaddon> ok, thanks anyway
[14:30] <kentb> marcoceppi: It might be worth a shot...it's the corporate firewall for this company (big OEM) that's being the problem child, so, I don't know how lucky I'll get there :)  I might try and mirror the ppa and see if that works.
[15:14] <X-warrior> If I'm working with postgresql/mysql, juju and amazon. Amazon instances are not persistent, so should I add the databases file to a persistent storage?
[15:21] <timrc> SpamapS, wtf are they doing to you guys over at HP? Just saw this nice one of Cody... https://sphotos-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/998429_10151723100558686_1007083002_n.jpg
[15:36] <jcastro> wow
[15:46] <jcastro> marcoceppi: can you fire up the hangout 10 min beforehand so I can get ubuntuonair ready?
[15:47] <marcoceppi> jcastro: yup
[15:47] <jcastro> marcoceppi: also, kill your downloads. :)
[15:47] <marcoceppi> jcastro: done and dead
[15:50] <X-warrior> I think postgresql should have an option to add the directory that we want to create it
[15:50] <X-warrior> or something like this, to be able to update database location file
[15:50] <X-warrior> x)
[15:56] <marcoceppi> X-warrior: patches welcome! :)
[16:00] <X-warrior> marcoceppi: I can't think on a easy way to do it. I'm just used to amazon. but starting from that point... the
[16:00] <X-warrior> ops
[16:03] <X-warrior> the EBS (persistent storage) must be created on amazon and then attached to a machine... after that we need to mount it and then call a hook on postgresql sending the new directory... but to call a hook I need a add-relation... so I will need a charm to EBS storage... but that will start another instance
[16:03] <X-warrior> maybe this 'volume' handling should be added to juju, but then... there is the differences between ec2, maas, openstac, hpcloud :S
[16:18] <SpamapS> timrc: sensitivity training? I have no idea wtf that is. :)
[16:19] <timrc> SpamapS, Whatever it was, it was compliments of Microsoft apparently...
[16:20] <bloodearnest> heya all - if I have a gojuju lxc environment up, but I no longer have the correct details for that env in .juju/environments, how can I destry that environment?
[16:21] <SpamapS> timrc: well I see our openstack community manager, mark atwood, in there holding a black flower.. the symbolism is mind blowing ;)
[16:21] <mthaddon> X-warrior: see the volume-management stuff in config.yaml for the PG charm
[16:22] <mthaddon> X-warrior: this is how postgresql (and other charms) deal with persistent storage until juju handles that somehow (means creating and attaching storage volumes outside of the charm)
[16:26]  * X-warrior looking 
[16:53] <marcoceppi> Charm School starting in about 10 mins
[16:56] <jcastro> we'll be on http://ubuntuonair.com
[16:56] <marcoceppi> Anyone want to join the hangout and ask questions, please do! https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/79462401dbe333e26c19481815990e70360ee6d4?authuser=0&hl=en
[17:02] <jcastro> ok we're broadcasting in about 30 seconds on http://ubuntuonair.com
[17:11] <hazmat> woot! got an aws vpc default by request
[17:14] <jcastro> m_3: hey what web server do we use in the node-app charm? the example one you wrote?
[17:33] <m_3> jcastro: node directly
[17:33] <m_3> jcastro: i.e., no web server other than the http node.js library listening on a port
[17:34]  * jcastro nods
[17:52] <arosales> any other questions on charm helpers in regards to the charm school?
[17:54] <arosales> thanks marcoceppi. good info on charm helpers
[17:54] <arosales> a lot easier to include than I had originally thought
[18:07] <timrc> Hm.. "Auth GET failed: https://keystone.canonistack.canonical.com:443/v2.0/ 200 OK"... that seems a little confusing to me
[18:07] <timrc> Seems like an odd choice of status code for a failure
[18:16] <timrc> (this was in the swift client :))
[18:33] <sinzui> I love the new http://juju.ubuntu.com