[00:04] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1220967] The new Network Manager applet does not connect but System Settings > Network does @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1220967 (by Marco Parillo)
[05:42] <smartboyhw> ^ And nobody posted any announcements on the web!?
[05:46]  * smartboyhw goes posting
[05:51] <smartboyhw> Announcement for Beta 1 posted
[06:08] <soee> good morning
[06:48] <lordievader> Good morning.
[06:48] <smartboyhw> Hello lordievader 
[06:48] <smartboyhw> People: So 4.11.1 is still not out?
[06:49] <smartboyhw> I mean, for Saucy
[06:49] <lordievader> Hey smartboyhw, how are you?
[06:49] <smartboyhw> lordievader, good
[06:49] <lordievader> smartboyhw: Can I test 4.11.1 somewhere?
[06:50] <smartboyhw> lordievader, private message?
[06:50] <smartboyhw> (And I'm not sure where it is now)
[06:50] <lordievader> smartboyhw: Ninja ppa?
[06:50] <smartboyhw> lordievader, yes, if you have access:)
[06:50] <lordievader> Still got that one laying around, should enable it again.
[06:57] <lordievader> Lovely 285 updates.
[06:57] <lordievader> Hehe allways nice "After this operation, 601 kB disk space will be freed." :D
[07:01] <soee> smartboyhw, 4.11.1 tested by me for Raring yesterday
[07:01] <soee> smooth update
[07:08] <lordievader> Rebooting now...
[07:12] <lordievader> Kde 4.11.1 boots up normally on Saucy :D
[07:19] <jussi> who wants to package something? :D
[07:20] <smartboyhw> jussi, me
[07:20] <smartboyhw> What is the packaging?
[07:21] <jussi> smartboyhw: It is already in their ppa, but not in our repos afaik (you get to check for certain, ive only raring here). https://code.google.com/p/vacuum-im/
[07:25] <smartboyhw> jussi, moo, OpenSSL
[07:25] <smartboyhw> (That requires an exemption)
[07:26] <jussi> smartboyhw: still....... the client works much better than KTP at the moment...
[07:27] <smartboyhw> jussi, then work to improve KTp;P
[07:28] <jussi> smartboyhw: I have done everythign I can (go check out my bug list for them). 
[07:28] <jussi> smartboyhw: the fact that they exist shouldnt change that vacuum should be in the repos
[07:31] <Tm_T> oh, how many times I accidentally pronounce KTp as "Kopete" ...
[07:31] <smartboyhw> jussi, it is currently first-time test building
[07:31] <smartboyhw> Tm_T, -.-
[07:32] <Tm_T> that said, maybe I should run Kopete now (:)
[07:33] <jussi> smartboyhw: excellent :)
[09:35] <apachelogger> Riddell: about about system... I think it was everything ... i.e. in kickoff's computer tab, in systemsettings and in kinfocenter
[11:07] <smartboyhw> Riddell, jussi's Vacuum app has a problem: the build will change a header-.-
[11:18] <Riddell> smartboyhw: what's vacuum?
[11:18] <smartboyhw> Riddell, some type of instant messaging app
[11:18] <smartboyhw> jussi is using it to replace KTp
[11:18] <jussi> Riddell: https://code.google.com/p/vacuum-im/
[11:19] <jussi> Riddell: the simple fact is, it works. (and uses telepathy I think)
[11:19] <Riddell> ktp doesn't work?
[11:19] <jussi> Riddell: unfortunately it has several issues which are dealbreakers for me.
[11:21]  * smartboyhw calls for shadeslayer to fix it to make jussi happy
[11:22] <Riddell> jussi: so what's this about changing a header?
[11:22] <smartboyhw> Riddell, this happened
[11:22] <smartboyhw> dpkg-source: info: local changes detected, the modified files are:
[11:22] <smartboyhw>  vacuum-1.2.2/src/loader/svninfo.h
[11:22] <smartboyhw> (At the second debuild run)
[11:27] <jussi> Riddell: no Idea, I didnt write it, smartboyhw is telling the story
[11:32] <Riddell> needs investigation of build system to check it's sane, if it's not then moan to upstream, if it is then work out how to unapply on clean target
[11:37] <Riddell> anyone use imap with kmail?
[11:39] <jussi> Riddell: i do (but disconnected imap iirc)
[11:39] <Riddell> jussi: any problems?
[11:40] <Riddell> smartboyhw: thanks for the beta 1 story
[11:40] <smartboyhw> Riddell, no need to thank me:)
[11:41] <jussi> Riddell: incredible slowness on loading mails up, (ie. when you click a mail, it takes 1-2 seconds to display), sometimes it gets stuck somewhere and needs a restart  to actually download mail again. (and a few more that I dont remember right at this second)
[11:46] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:47] <jussi> Riddell: I did also have a crash a while back, no comments on the bug, unsure if it is still there - kde bug 317860
[11:48] <jussi> Riddell: whya re you asking? 
[11:51] <Riddell> jussi: Tariq_ says he can't get it working
[11:51] <Riddell> at all
[11:51] <Riddell> in raring
[11:51] <Riddell> vinay_: you neither?
[11:52] <jussi> Riddell: Im on a pretty standard raring install for work, working reasonably fine. what issues are they having? 
[11:52] <ejat> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6070078/
[11:52] <ejat> can someone help me on error
[11:52] <Riddell> ejat: wibble, what release and what PPAs?
[11:53] <ejat> saucy  , kubuntu-ppa
[11:54] <Riddell> ejat: which kubuntu-ppa?
[11:54] <Blizzz> Riddell: i did, but had the issues as jussi described. sometimes folder contents where not displayed at all or even partially. More problems with calendar and contacts. Got frustrated and switched to evolution…
[11:55] <ejat> ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa
[11:55] <jussi> Riddell: Ive been through a bunch of things to sort things out, please feel free to send those guys to me to see if we can sort it out together
[12:07] <ejat> Riddell, any idea
[12:07] <ejat> y ?
[12:07] <Riddell> ejat: you shouldn't be using kubuntu-ppa with saucy since saucy is up to date
[12:07] <Riddell> remove that and try again
[12:09] <Riddell> jussi: does it work for you?
[12:10] <ejat> ok .. removing .. 
[12:14] <ejat> doesnt work
[12:15] <ejat> its still the same
[12:15] <Riddell> ejat: something conflicting must be installed, apt-get install kde-window-manager  ?
[12:15] <Riddell> probably an obscure theme
[12:23] <Riddell> Tariq_: you say it worked with non-ssl?
[12:23] <ejat> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6070169/
[12:23] <Riddell> Tariq_: I tried with non ssl and it says user/pass refused
[12:23] <Riddell> ejat: wherever is this from? 4:4.11.0+git20130819+bzr48502+pkg815~saucy1
[12:23] <Riddell> some daily build of something?
[12:24] <ejat> from kubuntu-ppa/ppa
[12:24] <ejat> how do i downgrade 
[12:24] <Riddell> mm
[12:25] <ejat> remove all ? and reinstall ? 
[12:26] <jussi> !ppapurge | ejat
[12:26] <jussi> ejat: you need to have the  ppa enabled to do that though
[12:28] <ejat> jussi, just now ive tried .... i try another time .. 
[12:30] <Riddell> jussi, Tariq_: thunderbird also can't connect with those account details
[12:31] <jussi> Riddell: not overly suprising. what about if you use starttls/143 as detected?
[12:32]  * ejat downgrading .... 
[12:32] <ejat> tx
[12:34] <Riddell> jussi: I got thunderbird to detect imap port 143 starttls normal pass, smtp 25 no-ssl encrypted pass.  but then it said uncorrect user/pass
[12:39] <jussi> Riddell: its very strange, because in kmail, it says the account is fine, but doesnt actually act on it
[12:50] <jussi> right, Im off. talk to you all later.
[13:18] <Riddell> kubotu: newpackage plasma-mobile 4.0
[13:18] <kubotu> Package plasma-mobile already exists!
[13:18] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion plasma-mobile 4.0
[13:18] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1221723
[13:18] <Riddell> plasma active 4 for the packaging!
[13:18] <Riddell> Quintasan: interested?
[13:19]  * smartboyhw thinks PA4 is too complicated for him:P
[13:20] <smartboyhw> More importantly: No ARM machine
[13:21] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I can help package a few, but it will not be the best results
[13:21] <smartboyhw> Where should I put these into, BTW?
[13:21] <smartboyhw> (Ah, just remembered, I got my own PPA for ARM builds)
[13:22] <Riddell> I think that's a plasma-activa PPA too
[13:22] <smartboyhw> Riddell, activa-.-
[13:23] <smartboyhw> Well, I'd better check mallit-framework first
[13:23] <smartboyhw> OK, the patch is built against 0.93.1
[13:24] <smartboyhw> We are running 0.99.0+git here-.-
[13:25] <Riddell> review http://dot.kde.org/2013/09/05/plasma-active-4-ready-when-you-are first
[13:25] <smartboyhw> Riddell, can you patch mallit-framework using http://download.kde.org/stable/active/4.0/src/maliit-framework-focusworkaround.diff please
[13:25] <smartboyhw> Riddell, why the review?
[13:26] <Riddell> and http://community.kde.org/Plasma/Active/Development
[13:26] <smartboyhw> And why the hell is the plasma-mobile ver 3.0 in Ubuntu while the PA4 version is 0.5 ~!?!?!?!?!?!?
[13:26] <Riddell> smartboyhw: incase there's anything we should know in there
[13:26] <smartboyhw> Riddell, sigh, I need to do a 4.0~really0.5 thing again:(
[13:27] <Riddell> smartboyhw: use an epoch
[13:27] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ah, that's a concept I haven't grasped yet. What's a epoch?
[13:27] <Riddell> only use ~really is there's a reason to avoid an epoch like wanting to sync from debian later
[13:27] <Riddell> smartboyhw: just a number at the start of the package version number to reset for mess ups
[13:27] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ^
[13:28] <Riddell> 1:0.4-0ubuntu1
[13:28] <Riddell> the first 1 there is the epoch
[13:28] <Riddell> default is 0
[13:28] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ah, that's the epoch
[13:28] <smartboyhw> Riddell, patch maliit-framework plz:P
[13:29] <Riddell> smartboyhw: sorry for a full todo list just now
[13:29] <smartboyhw> Riddell, you  mean, a TODO list for me or you?
[13:29] <Riddell> smartboyhw: for me
[13:29] <smartboyhw> Riddell, OUCH
[13:32] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, yofel: Got time to do a simple upload with the patch?
[13:32] <shadeslayer> hm?
[13:32] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, patch http://download.kde.org/stable/active/4.0/src/maliit-framework-focusworkaround.diff alongside maliit-framework for PA4
[13:32] <smartboyhw> :P
[13:33] <smartboyhw> !find solid/control/networkmanager.h saucy
[13:33] <shadeslayer> I'm not applying patches from PA, I've had bad experience with them
[13:33] <shadeslayer> they tend to break things
[13:34] <smartboyhw> oh oh
[13:34] <smartboyhw> Riddell, how are we going to deal with the patch then?
[13:35] <yofel> smartboyhw: no
[13:35] <shadeslayer> please consult with upstream if we should apply to Kubuntu packages
[13:35] <shadeslayer> then if it makes sense, please consult maliit upstream
[13:37] <Riddell> maliit is mostly used by active? so it wouldn't break many users in a worst case scenario where it breaks things
[13:37] <Riddell> anyone remember who the guy on the right in this photo is? http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8349/8169377493_127c320792_n.jpg
[13:37] <smartboyhw> So, what's the verdict? Ask upstream + mallit, Ask mallit or apply or don't apply!?
[13:37] <Riddell> he's a maliit guy
[13:38] <Riddell> smartboyhw: yes ask mallit and apply if sane
[13:41] <shadeslayer> Riddell: IIRC Ubuntu is also looking at maliit for their phone stuff
[13:42] <smartboyhw> Hmm, I'm not understanding of how active is supposed to be built
[13:42] <smartboyhw> (Not even with the docs)
[13:47] <smartboyhw> Someone know where a solid/control/networkmanager.h will be?
[13:52] <Riddell> smartboyhw: in kde-workspace
[13:53] <Riddell> hmm but maybe it's gone in 4.11
[13:53] <smartboyhw> Riddell, can't find it
[13:53] <smartboyhw> Ew
[13:53] <smartboyhw> I need it to build plasma-active
[13:53] <Riddell> would be in kde-workspace-dev if it's there
[13:54] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I installed kde-workspace-dev
[13:54] <smartboyhw> Build fail
[13:54] <Riddell> yeah looks like it's gone in 4.11
[13:55] <Riddell> ask in #active
[13:56] <smartboyhw> Riddell, well, maliit thinks the patch is useless:P
[13:56] <smartboyhw> !find solid/control/networkmanager.h raring
[13:57] <smartboyhw> OK, so it disappeared in Sauc
[13:57] <smartboyhw> *Saucy
[13:57] <smartboyhw> Heh, even notmart says no:P
[13:57] <smartboyhw> Let's ignroe that patch
[13:58] <smartboyhw> The question: Why is solid/control/networkmanager.h gone in 4.11?
[13:58] <smartboyhw> (We will have to build it on Raring then:P)
[13:59] <smartboyhw> Going to reboot, see you all.
[14:16] <BluesKaj> once more kmail fails the usability/user friendly test , sure needs a lot of work ...can't imagine having to deal with it on a daily basis 
[14:30] <Riddell> ScottK: able to look at kde-workspace in raring-proposed for bug 1221750
[14:30] <Riddell> it's for a mega kubuntu rollout in taiwan
[14:34] <ScottK> Sure.
[14:34] <ScottK> Riddell: Needs test case, etc.  The usual SRU stuff in the bug.
[14:42] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1221750] sal does not reload menu entries @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1221750 (by Jonathan Riddell)
[14:43] <tsimpson> that's quite a long time to have that kind of bug
[15:21] <yofel> if howard gets back, solid/control/networkmanager.h is part of the NON-EXISTENT plasma-widget-networkmanagement-dev
[15:25] <ScottK> Should probably fix that.
[15:29] <Riddell> jmux: http://blogs.kde.org/2013/09/06/come-kubuntu-bug-squashing-party-munich
[15:29] <Riddell> also posted to kubuntu-devel
[15:33] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you see my ping about fixing up the SAL bug?
[15:41] <Riddell> ScottK: yep thanks
[15:42] <shadeslayer> ScottK: there's also ktp in the queue
[15:42] <shadeslayer> don't forget about that :P
[15:43] <Riddell> bah, no 10,000 kubuntu rollout requires that one :)
[15:43] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I didn't.
[15:43] <shadeslayer> :)
[15:46] <BluesKaj> there are semantic arguments about the beta1 release definition ...guess one can't say it's really released until it's official on sept 26 
[15:47] <BluesKaj> not really released that is
[15:48] <BluesKaj> there's whole lot of pedantic types populating the chat's lately , one gets sidetracked 
[15:52] <jmux> Riddell: thanks :)
[15:54] <Riddell> BluesKaj: it was released yesterday
[15:55] <BluesKaj> ok , I'll quote you on that , Riddell :)
[15:56] <Riddell> there's beta-2 due in a few weeks
[15:56] <BluesKaj> right
[15:59] <ScottK> BluesKaj: No.  It was a typo.  Beta 1 is released.  Beta 2 is coming later in the month.  It's nothing more complex than that.
[16:01] <BluesKaj> ScottK:  ok , thanks 
[16:10] <santa__> sup
[16:11] <santa__> since you did some work on 4.11, do you guys have a ksnapshot able to load the kipi plugins properly?
[16:11] <yofel> santa__: yes, what's your issue? And what release are you on?
[16:12] <santa__> I'm packaging it for siduction
[16:13] <yofel> it'll work as long as kipi-plugins is built with the matching set of libkipi
[16:13] <santa__> that's what I dont get
[16:13] <santa__> I have a ksnapshot built against libkipi from 4.11
[16:14] <santa__> a digikam built against 4.11
[16:14] <santa__> both depend on libkipi11
[16:15] <santa__> and I got this in gwenview
[16:15] <santa__> gwenview(15984)/KIPI (loading) KIPI::PluginLoader::init: Plugin  "Importar/Exportar a Facebook" has a SO version ( 10 ) which is different than libkipi ABI version ( 11 ).  Refusing to load.
[16:15] <santa__> and similar lines for the rest of the plugins
[16:16] <santa__> and yes, gwenview was also built against kde 4.11 and depends on libkipi11 as it should
[16:17] <santa__> yofel: so if it works for you I wonder if you actually built it against libkipi11 or you patched something
[16:18] <yofel> santa__: no, you just need to build it against the correct version, the error even tells you that it's built against the old libkipi
[16:19] <santa__> yofel: but it's not built against the old kipi
[16:19] <yofel> well, *something* IS
[16:19] <yofel> check with ldd
[16:23] <santa__> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/pa737613a/
[16:24] <yofel> and gwenview?
[16:24] <yofel> nvm me
[16:24] <santa__> the thing is, is something is built against the old kipi, I just don't know what it is
[16:32] <Peace-> guys i have a problem to report a bug .... 
[16:32] <Peace-> i should install the new kernel but and i did but grub menu was not updated
[16:32] <Peace-> so i have done sudo  update-grub2
[16:33] <Peace-> it says that there is the new kernel but then it doesnìt show it rebooting
[16:33] <Peace-> i have seen that installing the new kernel it says possible missing firmware radeon 
[16:33] <Peace-> maybe it's this ?
[16:36] <ScottK> Peace-: It's not a Kubuntu specific issue, so likely no one knows here.  Try #ubuntu+1 if you're on saucy.
[16:45] <santa_> yofel: bah, stupid me, I just forgot to restart kde
[16:46] <santa_> it works now, thanks for helping out
[17:03] <yofel> heh
[17:21] <yofel> kubotu: newversion digikam 3.4.0 http://digikam.org/node/703
[17:21] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1221851
[17:23] <santa_> yofel: what about this one? I can't see the icons in kolourpaint
[17:23] <santa_> and yes they are installed
[17:23] <santa_> just wondering if it happens with your packages too
[17:34] <Gsport> a friend of mine tells me that linux devs get payed in beer
[17:37] <Gsport> ar what site does amarok sotores its playlists?
[17:37] <Gsport> stores
[20:17] <shadeslayer> I don't think we'd get any work done if all foss developers got paid in beer
[20:18] <Riddell> something I always wondered about Free Software is where is all the Free Beer RMS keeps going on about
[20:18] <shadeslayer> true
[20:19] <shadeslayer> yofel: did saucy + 4.11.1 work fine for you?
[20:20] <shadeslayer> argh
[20:20] <shadeslayer> stupid site :<
[20:21] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer:  saucy + 4.11.1 works ok here so far , except kmail froze up ,. so i dumped it again :)
[20:22] <shadeslayer> yeah, kmail freezing happens here too
[20:22] <shadeslayer> but I think thats because it's too slow
[20:22] <shadeslayer> anyway
[20:22] <shadeslayer> pykde4 doesn't build
[20:22] <yofel> shadeslayer: works fine except python, but that's broken because of sip
[20:22] <shadeslayer> k uploading then
[20:22] <shadeslayer> yofel: you mentioned something about the addons package
[20:22] <BluesKaj> I really don't need it anyway , just5 thought I'd try iot again for fun , but it wasn't , fun.
[20:23] <shadeslayer> and soee tested out raring, going to copy that over as well
[20:23] <yofel> shadeslayer: oh, that just needed a rebuild, like all rdepends of libtaskmanager after it's in the archive
[20:23] <yofel> plasma-addons will be fine in the archive
[20:23] <shadeslayer> ah ofcourse
[20:23] <shadeslayer> Riddell: there was a patch in bzr that I don't think got added in ninjas
[20:24] <shadeslayer> something in kde-workspace
[20:24] <yofel> yeah, that's not in ninjas and the version is wrong
[20:25] <yofel> dch -i doesn't go too well with UNRELEASED
[20:49] <shadeslayer> yofel: so change back to 0ubuntu1 in the changelog?
[20:49] <yofel> yeah
[20:50] <yofel> shadeslayer: erm, and move the patch to the right folder
[20:51] <shadeslayer> oh heh
[20:59] <shadeslayer> yofel: any reason to checkout the branches with bzr+ssh in the scripts?
[20:59] <shadeslayer> even when using --nopush
[21:00] <yofel> well, not really, it's just so you can easily push later if required
[21:02] <shadeslayer> okay
[21:02] <shadeslayer> script running anyway
[21:08] <yofel> --nopush was added for debugging reasons really
[21:10] <shadeslayer> what happens if the script crashes while running ?
[21:11] <shadeslayer> and when you run it again, does it add another entry?
[21:13] <yofel> hm...
[21:14] <yofel> shadeslayer: it might fail when committing an empty message
[21:14] <yofel> erm, an empty commit I mean
[21:17] <yofel> maybe the committing should be skipped if the current tag already exists
[21:27] <shadeslayer> sounds like a good idea
[21:55] <shadeslayer> yofel: can you run the script for precise while I work on saucy?
[21:56] <yofel> sure
[21:56] <shadeslayer> cool thx
[22:16] <shadeslayer> yofel: do you have the script to push everything to bzr somewhere?
[22:17] <yofel> I never made one, I simply write the loop for that into the shell when I do that
[22:17] <shadeslayer> right, have that in history somewhere?
[22:18] <yofel> doesn't look like it. I need to make my history longer
[22:19] <shadeslayer> hmm
[22:19] <yofel> I think it's something like:
[22:20] <yofel> curdir=$(pwd); for pkg in *; do cd $pkg/bzr; bzr push :parent; cd $curdir; done
[22:23] <shadeslayer> 4.11.1 uploaded
[22:23] <shadeslayer> mplayerthumbs_4.11.1-0ubuntu1_source.changes rejected
[22:24] <shadeslayer> someone needs to add that to the supported seeds ^^
[22:25] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^^ can you upload mplayerthumbs for saucy?
[22:25] <yofel> keyring.errors.PasswordSetError: GNOME_KEYRING_RESULT_IO_ERROR
[22:25] <yofel> SIGH
[22:25] <yofel> next try
[22:26] <shadeslayer> :)
[22:52] <shadeslayer> yofel: 4.11.1 raring to kubuntu-ppa/ppa right?
[22:52] <shadeslayer> since we'll be SRU'ing it
[22:53] <shadeslayer> hm no
[22:53] <shadeslayer> backports
[22:54] <shadeslayer> script running
[22:57] <yofel> backports
[22:57] <shadeslayer> all done