[00:04] ::workspace-bugs:: [1220967] The new Network Manager applet does not connect but System Settings > Network does @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1220967 (by Marco Parillo) === smartboyhw changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | https://trello.com/kubuntu | https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas 4.11.1 saucy/ninjas 4.11.0 saucy/archive raring/backports precise/ninjas | 13.10 milestoned bugs tagged Kubuntu http://goo.gl/vHRjj | build status http://goo.gl/cjEFkO | http://www.kubuntu.org/news/commercial-support | 13.10 Beta 1 released [05:42] ^ And nobody posted any announcements on the web!? [05:46] * smartboyhw goes posting [05:51] Announcement for Beta 1 posted [06:08] good morning [06:48] Good morning. [06:48] Hello lordievader [06:48] People: So 4.11.1 is still not out? [06:49] I mean, for Saucy [06:49] Hey smartboyhw, how are you? [06:49] lordievader, good [06:49] smartboyhw: Can I test 4.11.1 somewhere? [06:50] lordievader, private message? [06:50] (And I'm not sure where it is now) [06:50] smartboyhw: Ninja ppa? [06:50] lordievader, yes, if you have access:) [06:50] Still got that one laying around, should enable it again. [06:57] Lovely 285 updates. [06:57] Hehe allways nice "After this operation, 601 kB disk space will be freed." :D [07:01] smartboyhw, 4.11.1 tested by me for Raring yesterday [07:01] smooth update [07:08] Rebooting now... [07:12] Kde 4.11.1 boots up normally on Saucy :D [07:19] who wants to package something? :D [07:20] jussi, me [07:20] What is the packaging? [07:21] smartboyhw: It is already in their ppa, but not in our repos afaik (you get to check for certain, ive only raring here). https://code.google.com/p/vacuum-im/ [07:25] jussi, moo, OpenSSL [07:25] (That requires an exemption) [07:26] smartboyhw: still....... the client works much better than KTP at the moment... [07:27] jussi, then work to improve KTp;P [07:28] smartboyhw: I have done everythign I can (go check out my bug list for them). [07:28] smartboyhw: the fact that they exist shouldnt change that vacuum should be in the repos [07:31] oh, how many times I accidentally pronounce KTp as "Kopete" ... [07:31] jussi, it is currently first-time test building [07:31] Tm_T, -.- [07:32] that said, maybe I should run Kopete now (:) [07:33] smartboyhw: excellent :) [09:35] Riddell: about about system... I think it was everything ... i.e. in kickoff's computer tab, in systemsettings and in kinfocenter [11:07] Riddell, jussi's Vacuum app has a problem: the build will change a header-.- [11:18] smartboyhw: what's vacuum? [11:18] Riddell, some type of instant messaging app [11:18] jussi is using it to replace KTp [11:18] Riddell: https://code.google.com/p/vacuum-im/ [11:19] Riddell: the simple fact is, it works. (and uses telepathy I think) [11:19] ktp doesn't work? [11:19] Riddell: unfortunately it has several issues which are dealbreakers for me. [11:21] * smartboyhw calls for shadeslayer to fix it to make jussi happy [11:22] jussi: so what's this about changing a header? [11:22] Riddell, this happened [11:22] dpkg-source: info: local changes detected, the modified files are: [11:22] vacuum-1.2.2/src/loader/svninfo.h [11:22] (At the second debuild run) [11:27] Riddell: no Idea, I didnt write it, smartboyhw is telling the story [11:32] needs investigation of build system to check it's sane, if it's not then moan to upstream, if it is then work out how to unapply on clean target [11:37] anyone use imap with kmail? [11:39] Riddell: i do (but disconnected imap iirc) [11:39] jussi: any problems? [11:40] smartboyhw: thanks for the beta 1 story [11:40] Riddell, no need to thank me:) [11:41] Riddell: incredible slowness on loading mails up, (ie. when you click a mail, it takes 1-2 seconds to display), sometimes it gets stuck somewhere and needs a restart to actually download mail again. (and a few more that I dont remember right at this second) [11:46] 'Morning folks [11:47] Riddell: I did also have a crash a while back, no comments on the bug, unsure if it is still there - kde bug 317860 [11:47] KDE bug 317860 in general "Kontact Crashed after attempting to add a large file as an attachment" [Crash,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=317860 [11:48] Riddell: whya re you asking? [11:51] jussi: Tariq_ says he can't get it working [11:51] at all [11:51] in raring [11:51] vinay_: you neither? [11:52] Riddell: Im on a pretty standard raring install for work, working reasonably fine. what issues are they having? [11:52] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6070078/ [11:52] can someone help me on error [11:52] ejat: wibble, what release and what PPAs? [11:53] saucy , kubuntu-ppa [11:54] ejat: which kubuntu-ppa? [11:54] Riddell: i did, but had the issues as jussi described. sometimes folder contents where not displayed at all or even partially. More problems with calendar and contacts. Got frustrated and switched to evolution… [11:55] ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa [11:55] Riddell: Ive been through a bunch of things to sort things out, please feel free to send those guys to me to see if we can sort it out together [12:07] Riddell, any idea [12:07] y ? [12:07] ejat: you shouldn't be using kubuntu-ppa with saucy since saucy is up to date [12:07] remove that and try again [12:09] jussi: does it work for you? [12:10] ok .. removing .. [12:14] doesnt work [12:15] its still the same [12:15] ejat: something conflicting must be installed, apt-get install kde-window-manager ? [12:15] probably an obscure theme [12:23] Tariq_: you say it worked with non-ssl? [12:23] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6070169/ [12:23] Tariq_: I tried with non ssl and it says user/pass refused [12:23] ejat: wherever is this from? 4:4.11.0+git20130819+bzr48502+pkg815~saucy1 [12:23] some daily build of something? [12:24] from kubuntu-ppa/ppa [12:24] how do i downgrade [12:24] mm [12:25] remove all ? and reinstall ? [12:26] !ppapurge | ejat [12:26] ejat: To disable a PPA from your sources and revert your packages back to default Ubuntu packages, install ppa-purge and use the command: « sudo ppa-purge ppa:/ » – For more information, see http://www.webupd8.org/2009/12/remove-ppa-repositories-via-command.html [12:26] ejat: you need to have the ppa enabled to do that though [12:28] jussi, just now ive tried .... i try another time .. [12:30] jussi, Tariq_: thunderbird also can't connect with those account details [12:31] Riddell: not overly suprising. what about if you use starttls/143 as detected? [12:32] * ejat downgrading .... [12:32] tx [12:34] jussi: I got thunderbird to detect imap port 143 starttls normal pass, smtp 25 no-ssl encrypted pass. but then it said uncorrect user/pass === markey_ is now known as markey [12:39] Riddell: its very strange, because in kmail, it says the account is fine, but doesnt actually act on it [12:50] right, Im off. talk to you all later. [13:18] kubotu: newpackage plasma-mobile 4.0 [13:18] Package plasma-mobile already exists! [13:18] kubotu: newversion plasma-mobile 4.0 [13:18] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1221723 [13:18] plasma active 4 for the packaging! [13:18] Quintasan: interested? [13:19] * smartboyhw thinks PA4 is too complicated for him:P [13:20] More importantly: No ARM machine [13:21] Riddell, I can help package a few, but it will not be the best results [13:21] Where should I put these into, BTW? [13:21] (Ah, just remembered, I got my own PPA for ARM builds) [13:22] I think that's a plasma-activa PPA too [13:22] Riddell, activa-.- [13:23] Well, I'd better check mallit-framework first [13:23] OK, the patch is built against 0.93.1 [13:24] We are running 0.99.0+git here-.- [13:25] review http://dot.kde.org/2013/09/05/plasma-active-4-ready-when-you-are first [13:25] Riddell, can you patch mallit-framework using http://download.kde.org/stable/active/4.0/src/maliit-framework-focusworkaround.diff please [13:25] Riddell, why the review? [13:26] and http://community.kde.org/Plasma/Active/Development [13:26] And why the hell is the plasma-mobile ver 3.0 in Ubuntu while the PA4 version is 0.5 ~!?!?!?!?!?!? [13:26] smartboyhw: incase there's anything we should know in there [13:26] Riddell, sigh, I need to do a 4.0~really0.5 thing again:( [13:27] smartboyhw: use an epoch [13:27] Riddell, ah, that's a concept I haven't grasped yet. What's a epoch? [13:27] only use ~really is there's a reason to avoid an epoch like wanting to sync from debian later [13:27] smartboyhw: just a number at the start of the package version number to reset for mess ups [13:27] Riddell, ^ [13:28] 1:0.4-0ubuntu1 [13:28] the first 1 there is the epoch [13:28] default is 0 [13:28] Riddell, ah, that's the epoch [13:28] Riddell, patch maliit-framework plz:P [13:29] smartboyhw: sorry for a full todo list just now [13:29] Riddell, you mean, a TODO list for me or you? [13:29] smartboyhw: for me [13:29] Riddell, OUCH [13:32] shadeslayer, yofel: Got time to do a simple upload with the patch? [13:32] hm? [13:32] shadeslayer, patch http://download.kde.org/stable/active/4.0/src/maliit-framework-focusworkaround.diff alongside maliit-framework for PA4 [13:32] :P [13:33] !find solid/control/networkmanager.h saucy [13:33] I'm not applying patches from PA, I've had bad experience with them [13:33] Package/file solid/control/networkmanager.h does not exist in saucy [13:33] they tend to break things [13:34] oh oh [13:34] Riddell, how are we going to deal with the patch then? [13:35] smartboyhw: no [13:35] please consult with upstream if we should apply to Kubuntu packages [13:35] then if it makes sense, please consult maliit upstream [13:37] maliit is mostly used by active? so it wouldn't break many users in a worst case scenario where it breaks things [13:37] anyone remember who the guy on the right in this photo is? http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8349/8169377493_127c320792_n.jpg [13:37] So, what's the verdict? Ask upstream + mallit, Ask mallit or apply or don't apply!? [13:37] he's a maliit guy [13:38] smartboyhw: yes ask mallit and apply if sane [13:41] Riddell: IIRC Ubuntu is also looking at maliit for their phone stuff [13:42] Hmm, I'm not understanding of how active is supposed to be built [13:42] (Not even with the docs) [13:47] Someone know where a solid/control/networkmanager.h will be? [13:52] smartboyhw: in kde-workspace [13:53] hmm but maybe it's gone in 4.11 [13:53] Riddell, can't find it [13:53] Ew [13:53] I need it to build plasma-active [13:53] would be in kde-workspace-dev if it's there [13:54] Riddell, I installed kde-workspace-dev [13:54] Build fail [13:54] yeah looks like it's gone in 4.11 [13:55] ask in #active [13:56] Riddell, well, maliit thinks the patch is useless:P [13:56] !find solid/control/networkmanager.h raring [13:56] File solid/control/networkmanager.h found in kde-workspace-dev [13:57] OK, so it disappeared in Sauc [13:57] *Saucy [13:57] Heh, even notmart says no:P [13:57] Let's ignroe that patch [13:58] The question: Why is solid/control/networkmanager.h gone in 4.11? [13:58] (We will have to build it on Raring then:P) [13:59] Going to reboot, see you all. [14:16] once more kmail fails the usability/user friendly test , sure needs a lot of work ...can't imagine having to deal with it on a daily basis [14:30] ScottK: able to look at kde-workspace in raring-proposed for bug 1221750 [14:30] bug 1221750 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu Raring) "sal does not reload menu entries" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1221750 [14:30] it's for a mega kubuntu rollout in taiwan [14:34] Sure. [14:34] Riddell: Needs test case, etc. The usual SRU stuff in the bug. [14:42] ::workspace-bugs:: [1221750] sal does not reload menu entries @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1221750 (by Jonathan Riddell) [14:43] that's quite a long time to have that kind of bug [15:21] if howard gets back, solid/control/networkmanager.h is part of the NON-EXISTENT plasma-widget-networkmanagement-dev [15:25] Should probably fix that. [15:29] jmux: http://blogs.kde.org/2013/09/06/come-kubuntu-bug-squashing-party-munich [15:29] also posted to kubuntu-devel [15:33] Riddell: Did you see my ping about fixing up the SAL bug? [15:41] ScottK: yep thanks [15:42] ScottK: there's also ktp in the queue [15:42] don't forget about that :P [15:43] bah, no 10,000 kubuntu rollout requires that one :) [15:43] shadeslayer: I didn't. [15:43] :) [15:46] there are semantic arguments about the beta1 release definition ...guess one can't say it's really released until it's official on sept 26 [15:47] not really released that is [15:48] there's whole lot of pedantic types populating the chat's lately , one gets sidetracked [15:52] Riddell: thanks :) [15:54] BluesKaj: it was released yesterday [15:55] ok , I'll quote you on that , Riddell :) [15:56] there's beta-2 due in a few weeks [15:56] right [15:59] BluesKaj: No. It was a typo. Beta 1 is released. Beta 2 is coming later in the month. It's nothing more complex than that. [16:01] ScottK: ok , thanks [16:10] sup [16:11] since you did some work on 4.11, do you guys have a ksnapshot able to load the kipi plugins properly? [16:11] santa__: yes, what's your issue? And what release are you on? [16:12] I'm packaging it for siduction [16:13] it'll work as long as kipi-plugins is built with the matching set of libkipi [16:13] that's what I dont get === lordsame is now known as SergioMeneses [16:13] I have a ksnapshot built against libkipi from 4.11 [16:14] a digikam built against 4.11 [16:14] both depend on libkipi11 [16:15] and I got this in gwenview [16:15] gwenview(15984)/KIPI (loading) KIPI::PluginLoader::init: Plugin "Importar/Exportar a Facebook" has a SO version ( 10 ) which is different than libkipi ABI version ( 11 ). Refusing to load. [16:15] and similar lines for the rest of the plugins [16:16] and yes, gwenview was also built against kde 4.11 and depends on libkipi11 as it should [16:17] yofel: so if it works for you I wonder if you actually built it against libkipi11 or you patched something [16:18] santa__: no, you just need to build it against the correct version, the error even tells you that it's built against the old libkipi [16:19] yofel: but it's not built against the old kipi [16:19] well, *something* IS [16:19] check with ldd [16:23] yofel: http://paste.kde.org/pa737613a/ [16:24] and gwenview? [16:24] nvm me [16:24] the thing is, is something is built against the old kipi, I just don't know what it is [16:32] guys i have a problem to report a bug .... [16:32] i should install the new kernel but and i did but grub menu was not updated [16:32] so i have done sudo update-grub2 [16:33] it says that there is the new kernel but then it doesnìt show it rebooting [16:33] i have seen that installing the new kernel it says possible missing firmware radeon [16:33] maybe it's this ? [16:36] Peace-: It's not a Kubuntu specific issue, so likely no one knows here. Try #ubuntu+1 if you're on saucy. [16:45] yofel: bah, stupid me, I just forgot to restart kde [16:46] it works now, thanks for helping out [17:03] heh [17:21] kubotu: newversion digikam 3.4.0 http://digikam.org/node/703 [17:21] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1221851 [17:23] yofel: what about this one? I can't see the icons in kolourpaint [17:23] and yes they are installed [17:23] just wondering if it happens with your packages too [17:34] a friend of mine tells me that linux devs get payed in beer [17:37] ar what site does amarok sotores its playlists? [17:37] stores [20:17] I don't think we'd get any work done if all foss developers got paid in beer [20:18] something I always wondered about Free Software is where is all the Free Beer RMS keeps going on about [20:18] true [20:19] yofel: did saucy + 4.11.1 work fine for you? [20:20] argh [20:20] stupid site :< [20:21] shadeslayer: saucy + 4.11.1 works ok here so far , except kmail froze up ,. so i dumped it again :) [20:22] yeah, kmail freezing happens here too [20:22] but I think thats because it's too slow [20:22] anyway [20:22] pykde4 doesn't build [20:22] shadeslayer: works fine except python, but that's broken because of sip [20:22] k uploading then [20:22] yofel: you mentioned something about the addons package [20:22] I really don't need it anyway , just5 thought I'd try iot again for fun , but it wasn't , fun. [20:23] and soee tested out raring, going to copy that over as well [20:23] shadeslayer: oh, that just needed a rebuild, like all rdepends of libtaskmanager after it's in the archive [20:23] plasma-addons will be fine in the archive [20:23] ah ofcourse [20:23] Riddell: there was a patch in bzr that I don't think got added in ninjas [20:24] something in kde-workspace [20:24] yeah, that's not in ninjas and the version is wrong [20:25] dch -i doesn't go too well with UNRELEASED [20:49] yofel: so change back to 0ubuntu1 in the changelog? [20:49] yeah [20:50] shadeslayer: erm, and move the patch to the right folder [20:51] oh heh [20:59] yofel: any reason to checkout the branches with bzr+ssh in the scripts? [20:59] even when using --nopush [21:00] well, not really, it's just so you can easily push later if required [21:02] okay [21:02] script running anyway [21:08] --nopush was added for debugging reasons really [21:10] what happens if the script crashes while running ? [21:11] and when you run it again, does it add another entry? [21:13] hm... [21:14] shadeslayer: it might fail when committing an empty message [21:14] erm, an empty commit I mean [21:17] maybe the committing should be skipped if the current tag already exists [21:27] sounds like a good idea [21:55] yofel: can you run the script for precise while I work on saucy? [21:56] sure [21:56] cool thx [22:16] yofel: do you have the script to push everything to bzr somewhere? [22:17] I never made one, I simply write the loop for that into the shell when I do that [22:17] right, have that in history somewhere? [22:18] doesn't look like it. I need to make my history longer [22:19] hmm [22:19] I think it's something like: [22:20] curdir=$(pwd); for pkg in *; do cd $pkg/bzr; bzr push :parent; cd $curdir; done [22:23] 4.11.1 uploaded [22:23] mplayerthumbs_4.11.1-0ubuntu1_source.changes rejected [22:24] someone needs to add that to the supported seeds ^^ [22:25] Riddell: ^^ can you upload mplayerthumbs for saucy? [22:25] keyring.errors.PasswordSetError: GNOME_KEYRING_RESULT_IO_ERROR [22:25] SIGH [22:25] next try [22:26] :) [22:52] yofel: 4.11.1 raring to kubuntu-ppa/ppa right? [22:52] since we'll be SRU'ing it [22:53] hm no [22:53] backports [22:54] script running [22:57] backports [22:57] all done