[00:09] <tierra_> necesito ayuda sobre un problema con el audio
[00:10] <moarcores> My motherboard does not like 13.04 due to being... 2013/05/24 fairly new, which 13.10 ubuntu is the most stable for desktop use do far? LXDE, XFCE? I'm assumming main(unity) and KDE/Gnome3 would be pretty broken
[00:10] <tierra_> mi pc es una asus eee pc 1101hab
[00:10] <wilee-nilee> !es | tierra_
[00:10] <tierra_> gracias
[00:26] <SuperLag> I see we're at Beta 1 today. Does that only apply to the mainline Ubuntu? or is it safe to assume Xubuntu is there as well?
[00:31] <snadge> i loaded xubuntu onto an original eeepc, and it performed admirably
[00:31] <snadge> it wasn't mine though, and apparently windows xp (asus eeepc edition) is faster
[00:32] <snadge> at least from a potentially biased windows fanboy perspective, i wasn't going to push it
[00:48] <om26er> snadge, windows xp came in 2001. Xubuntu which you are using is potentially a software of 2012 you can do your maths here :)
[00:48]  * om26er thinks there is less point in comparing two OS from different times atleast from the resource consumption perspective
[01:00] <snadge> sure, except when the motivation is to make an original eeepc as useable as possible
[01:01] <snadge> if it were mine, i'd probably use xubuntu.. actually, i'd retire it or give it away
[01:01] <snadge> its something like 900mhz from memory, atom pc
[01:01] <snadge> you have to drop sd youtube videos to 240p from 360p, so they will play smoothly
[01:01] <snadge> hehe
[04:34] <SuperLag> snadge: which version of Xubuntu though? the latest 13.10?
[07:38] <LBo> I just installed 13.10, ran .04 previously
[07:39] <LBo> With Ubuntu 13.10 the battery life of the laptop is a lot shorter
[07:39] <LBo> 1,5 hour less I thinks and it's also running a little hot
[07:40] <LBo> Are there any known problems with power management in 13.10?
[07:41] <wilee-nilee> None that I have seen here, it is in development
[11:46] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[12:30] <terryh> ubuntudemo.com/terry.husbands
[12:31] <SuperLag> I'm curious to know if/how the Nvidia drivers have worked on 13.10b1.
[12:32] <punzilla> Hi all my ubuntu is broken
[12:33] <punzilla> well, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6070101/
[12:34] <punzilla> I'm receiving dependency errors for python
[12:34] <punzilla> and I don't know of any way to recover from this.
[12:53] <Ampelbein> punzilla: Please pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy python2.7" and "sudo apt-get -f install"
[12:55] <punzilla> sure I'll do that now.
[12:56] <punzilla> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6070288/
[12:58] <punzilla> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6070290/
[12:58] <punzilla> unfortunately, it may not capture the entire command for the second paste.
[12:58] <Ampelbein> punzilla: I see, let me quickly check something else
[13:00] <Ampelbein> punzilla: What is the output of "sudo dpkg --configure python2.7-minimal"
[13:01] <punzilla> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6070305/
[13:02] <Ampelbein> ok, so that's the real error.
[13:02] <Ampelbein> hmm
[13:05] <punzilla> do I have any options in relation to this?
[13:05] <Ampelbein> punzilla: Can you add a "set -x" to /var/lib/dpkg/info/python2.7-minimal.postinst, before the "set -e" line and re-run the dpkg --configure command and pastebin the output
[13:06] <punzilla> sure just a moment I'll give that a try.
[13:08] <Ampelbein> Hah. found a way to reproduce
[13:08] <Ampelbein> "sudo apt-get purge python2.7-minimal && sudo apt-get install python2.7-minimal"
[13:09] <punzilla> that didn't work with the set -x
[13:09] <Ampelbein> "didn't work" is not a error message ;-)
[13:09] <Ampelbein> But nevermind, I found a way to recreate the error
[13:09] <punzilla> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6070330/
[13:13] <punzilla> that was the result after the set -x was added to the python2.7-minimal.postinst
[13:13] <Ampelbein> punzilla: Yeah, one second I have a solution for you
[13:13] <punzilla> thanks.
[13:14] <Ampelbein> punzilla: Ok, to clean your error: "sudo mkdir /etc/python2.7 ; sudo touch /etc/python2.7/sitecustomize.py ; sudo apt-get -f install"
[13:15] <Ampelbein> That should run without error now.
[13:15] <punzilla> something is happening ...
[13:15] <punzilla> :)
[13:16] <Ampelbein> punzilla: Can you confirm the error is gone and all packages are installed?
[13:17] <punzilla> yes it seems to have run successfully
[13:17] <punzilla> is there any other command that I should run?
[13:18] <punzilla> sudo apt-get -f install completed, I wasn't able to do that earlier.
[13:18] <Ampelbein> ok
[13:18] <punzilla> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6070365/
[13:18] <punzilla> that's as much of the output that it shows.
[13:19] <Ampelbein> Yes, that means that everything installed fine and your system should be usable again.
[13:19] <Ampelbein> I will go and file a bug about this.
[13:19] <punzilla> thank you very much for your assistance.
[13:19] <Ampelbein> You're welcome.
[13:21] <Ampelbein> Oh, and there is already a debian bug about this: debian bug 709964
[13:23] <Ampelbein> punzilla: Is bug 1220249 reported by you?
[13:24] <punzilla> yes it is.
[13:35] <punzilla> Another issue - though it's with Adobe acrobat reader.
[13:35] <punzilla> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6070415/
[13:35] <punzilla> I'm unable to run it.
[13:36] <punzilla> libxml2 libraries are already installed according to software manager.
[13:43] <Ampelbein> punzilla: The acrobat packages need updating so they reference the new location of libxml2
[13:43] <Ampelbein> punzilla: There's nothing ubuntu can do
[13:49] <punzilla> oh ok thanks
[14:52] <Xeek> Is there a regular ISO download for Saucy Beta 1? I only can find the source discs or the daily build, or is the daily build what I'm after?
[14:58] <BluesKaj> Xeek:  the daily build , the final beta isn't til the 26th
[14:58] <BluesKaj> Xeek:  these latest ones since yesterday are called Beta 1 (for opt-in flavors)
[15:03] <Xeek> hmm
[15:03] <Xeek> Well I'm trying to install this latest build in a VM (using vsphere) and the top gray status bar area is on multiple lines preventing me from seeing the bottom half of the install wizard
[15:12] <BluesKaj> Xeek:  I tried ubuntu on VB and it wouldn't install guest additions no matter where I put the file , on the separate HDD , cdrom , or even installing from the terminal
[15:13] <BluesKaj> The vsphere project is in its early phases according to muon details.
[15:14] <Xeek> vsphere project?
[15:14] <Xeek> I'm just installing Ubuntu in a vm that just happens to be on a vsphere server nothing special.
[15:15] <Xeek> ah oh well
[15:15] <BluesKaj> look in your package manger for details
[15:15] <BluesKaj> VMs seem to have difficulty with ubiquity and unity
[15:16] <Xeek> I can't look in a package manager. I can't even get Ubuntu installed.
[15:17] <BluesKaj> Xeek:  what are you running ?
[15:17] <Xeek> can you be more specific in your question
[15:17] <BluesKaj> which OS ?
[15:17] <Xeek> Ubuntu 13.10 (saucy) daily build
[15:17] <Xeek> I'm not running it - I am trying to install it
[15:18] <Xeek> if your definition of running is - that its' already installed
[15:19] <BluesKaj> not it , but what OS are you using to run an irc client
[15:19] <Xeek> Windows 7 through parallels in OS X 10.8 hehe
[15:19] <Xeek> i'm not sure how that helps any of this
[15:19] <Xeek> or how it relates
[15:20] <Xeek> I'm trying to install Ubuntu 13.10 daily build in a VM that is blank - and has no connection virtual or physical to this machine I am chatting to you with.
[15:21] <BluesKaj> I assumed you were using linux , hence the package manager suggestion
[15:23] <Xeek> I'm still not sure how that's relevant
[15:24] <BluesKaj> well, I guess in your case it isn't
[16:13] <Ian_Corne> is lubuntu on +1 yet?
[16:22] <BluesKaj> Ian_Corne:  yes , I believe so , the "offical release" on sept 26th is actually beta2 (there's a typo on the release schedule), so yesterday was official for all flavours as well
[16:29] <Ian_Corne> Yeah, I'm trying to get update-manager to update me :)
[16:35] <BluesKaj> think the dailies is the place to find the image
[16:38] <Ian_Corne> I don't want to fresh install :)
[16:44] <BluesKaj> Ian_Corne:  you just install to / and leave /home as it is
[16:49] <Ian_Corne> I know how to do it, but I'd rather test upgrading as well :)
[17:11] <BluesKaj> Ian_Corne:  dunno if the images are in the backports
[17:22] <SuperLag> Okay. I knew that the potential existed for issues, running the beta... and I have no issue with that. That said, nautilus is a crashy mess. Are there any alternatives you guys would recommend, until things get more stable?
[17:37] <mkanyicy> no sound on laptop speakers but sound on earphones. running 13.10 on dell latitude e5520. any ideas?
[17:41] <mkanyicy> no sound on laptop speakers but sound on earphones. running 13.10 on dell latitude e5520. any ideas?
[17:58] <johnjohn101> so mir running mostly on intel graphics for now?
[18:02] <ali1234> mostly
[18:02] <johnjohn101> so just run i3 with onboard graphics?  sandy, ivy and haswell?
[18:03] <SuperLag> ugh
[18:03] <SuperLag> Nautilus is a crashy POS.
[18:03] <ali1234> SuperLag: xubuntu
[18:03] <SuperLag> and the logs don't even give anything useful to bug report on.
[18:04] <SuperLag> ali1234: I just moved from Xubuntu, back to mainline Ubuntu.
[18:05] <SuperLag> *sigh*
[18:06] <johnjohn101> i was just going to try xubuntu
[18:24] <bhavesh> what could be the reason of multiple top-panel's in virtualbox running saucy? http://i.imgur.com/DNK44iK.png
[18:26] <wilee-nilee> bhavesh, You might ask i #vbox
[18:26] <wilee-nilee> in
[18:28] <wilee-nilee> I would check the iso sum just as well, it takes but a few seconds
[18:29] <trism> bhavesh: bug 1207890
[18:29] <bhavesh> okay :)
[18:40] <ChogyDan> why isn't ubuntu releasing a beta? (if anyone happens to know)
[18:41] <johnjohn101> i think it's only for the other versions
[18:43] <trism> ChogyDan: since 13.04 there is only a final beta release https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2012-December/000998.html (couple paragraphs in)
[18:44] <johnjohn101> ChogyDan: i'm using ubuntu 13.10 now.  it's been pretty good so far
[18:45] <ChogyDan> I should suscribe to that list, thanks trism
[18:45] <trism> I've always just used the daily images anyway, they work well enough most of the time
[18:45] <ChogyDan> johnjohn101: Im using it under xubuntu.  There is a large bug with sound-indicator, but it's working otherwise pretty well as well
[18:47] <ChogyDan> OH, so it's not a bad thing that Ubuntu has no beta, they are trying to do better
[18:49] <BluesKaj> ChogyDan:  the best i can find is Ubuntu GNOME 13.10 (Saucy Salamander) Beta 1 , don't see anything about Unity , http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/releases/saucy/beta-1/
[18:50] <ChogyDan> BluesKaj: the link trism gave describes the Ubuntu folks wanting to focus more on the daily cd.  It is ambitious, and I think it makes sense from the little I heard about the "rolling release" discussion
[18:52] <ChogyDan> and here is the main beta1 page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/Beta1    It probably should be linked on the release sched page, but o well
[18:53] <johnjohn101> six more weeks!!
[18:53] <BluesKaj> ChogyDan:  I haven't seen any release images in the repos/backports so upgrading over the 'net isn't available afaik
[18:55] <BluesKaj> I did a Kubuntu clean install to / yesterday and all seems ok , so far
[18:56] <ChogyDan> I was just wondering if there was something wrong with the installer or something, and that was why no Ubuntu beta, but it looks like something different
[19:00] <BluesKaj> well, ubuntu-gnome ...I had trouble with ubuntu-unity on VB a few days ago , the "guest additions coudn't be found " error kept me from continuing with it , no matter where i placed the image
[19:01] <BluesKaj> the VB installer is as much to blame as the OS I think
[19:05] <BluesKaj> Unity seems to be a problem for those who want "Ubuntu", or so it seems
[19:06] <ChogyDan> BluesKaj: What's wrong with Unity?
[19:07] <ChogyDan> i mean, not generally, is there some issue?
[19:09] <BluesKaj> dunno , it's conspicuous by it's absence , suspect something to do with Xmir , afaik the other desktops are still using X
[19:14] <ChogyDan> BluesKaj: "the Ubuntu flavour decided that it would reduce the number of milestone images going forward and the focus would concentrate on daily quality and fortnightly testing rounds known as cadence testing. "
[19:15] <BluesKaj> ChogyDan:  that sounds rather cryptic :)
[19:17] <BluesKaj> fancy double speak for Unity still needs work , so it's excluded for now
[19:18] <ChogyDan> it was sent in december, if you missed it: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2012-December/000998.html
[19:19] <ChogyDan> I mean, who knows, but I like to support folks experimenting, taking risks, so I'm giving them allowance
[19:21] <BluesKaj> I'm not talking about 13.04 , 13.10 unity and Xmir seems to be the holdback
[19:22] <BluesKaj> BBL ... taking a walk to  the mailbox
[19:31] <SuperLag> Since I modified my date/time settings to show the day name, my name has disappeared from the menu bar, so now I'm not sure how to sleep the laptop, as well as get my name back.
[19:31] <SuperLag> I'm on 13.10b1
[19:47] <ChogyDan> of ubuntu?
[19:55] <nyl_> hi
[19:56] <nyl_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6071842/
[20:02] <BluesKaj> nyl_:  what does,  sudo lshw -C video give ?
[20:03] <nyl_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6071886/
[20:03] <nyl> gonna reboot
[20:05] <ChogyDan> nyl: did you say you used a ppa?
[20:05] <nyl> yea
[20:07] <BluesKaj> nyl:  xserver-xorg-video-intel definitely the wong driver
[20:07] <nyl> xrandr 1.4 is the right version now
[20:08] <nyl> nvidia driver is 325.15
[20:08] <BluesKaj> 319 here on 8400gs
[20:09] <nyl> gt540m here
[20:15] <nyl> ( System: Linux 3.8.0-29-generic on Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X5570 @ 2.93GHz )( Bogomips: 23443.4 )( Memory: total: 7964.9 MB used: 2071.4 MB [||||||||||] )( Disks: total: 545.3 GB used: 14.0 GB [||||||||||] )( Uptime: 2d 4h 19min 24s )( Load avg: 0.07 0.13 0.13 )( Vpenis: 368.2 cm )( eth0: Rx: 1.1 GB [6.4 kB/s] Tx: 104.6 MB [2.4 kB/s] )
[20:15] <nyl> this one
[20:19] <BluesKaj> ??