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bazhang<Pewp> more ignore for ubottu01:10
bazhangseriously?01:10
bazhangI can't imagine ignoring ubottu have em in /msg all the time01:11
GiGaHuRtZWhy hello01:22
bazhangGiGaHuRtZ, yes01:23
GiGaHuRtZWhy am KI banned from a channel that i have said like two sentences in the past 12 months?01:23
bazhangKI?01:23
GiGaHuRtZand i wasnt kicked01:23
GiGaHuRtZI*01:23
bazhangwhich channel01:23
GiGaHuRtZ#ubuntu+101:23
GiGaHuRtZtrying toi get 13.10 support and questions answered01:23
GiGaHuRtZsuddenly i am banned oddly01:23
bazhangyou were asked to remain on topic and continued nonetheless01:24
GiGaHuRtZin #unbutu+1?01:24
GiGaHuRtZuh what?01:24
GiGaHuRtZgota the public log of this supposed nothingness?01:25
bazhang!1984 | GiGaHuRtZ01:25
ubottuGiGaHuRtZ: Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ . LoCo channels are now logged there too.01:25
GiGaHuRtZits not likre im not already evading all the bans i have in ubuntu channells, #ubuntu, $#kiubuntu etc, so one more wont hurt. But i wouldnt mind seeing the crapp01:25
GiGaHuRtZnpo, i wont want the lkinl01:25
GiGaHuRtZlooking in that trease trove takes for evetr01:26
bazhangGiGaHuRtZ, ban evading is not a good idea01:26
IdleOnewell seeing how you are ban evading anyway, you won't mind leaving here.01:26
GiGaHuRtZright, but pici and tm_t have both seen the log where the banning op told me to ads long i follow rules01:26
IdleOneenjoy01:29
ubottuIdleOne called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic ()01:33
Tm_TGiGaHuRtZ seems to have very selective memory05:46
Tm_Tin the other news, last night was rather good for watching stars05:46
ASHER1hello14:22
ASHER1i have problem14:22
ASHER1someone set in my address ban and i not doing nothing14:22
ASHER1someone please can remove my ban on ubuntu?14:22
DJonesASHER1: I removed you initially because you were responding to bot requests for !list, you then rejoined and continued doing it14:23
DJonesIf you can disable the script thats doing that, I'm quite happy to remove the ban14:23
ASHER1i not bot14:24
ASHER1someone inside my pm and ask me if i bot14:24
DJonesThats fine, but please disable the script then14:24
ASHER1what script14:24
ASHER1?14:24
ASHER1i dont have script14:24
ASHER1i used on Normal mirc14:25
DJonesASHER1: The one that does this 14:06 < ASHER1> I syndicate the following14:25
ASHER1what14:25
ASHER1i dont understand14:25
DJones!list14:25
ubottuDJones: No warez here! This is not a file sharing channel (or network); read the channel topic. If you're looking for information about me, type « /msg ubottu !bot ». If you're looking for a channel, see « /msg ubottu !alis ».14:25
ASHER1I syndicate the following:14:25
DJonesThat14:26
DJonesEverytime somebody runs the !list command you automatically respond with that lne14:26
DJonesline14:26
incog!list14:26
ASHER1I syndicate the following:14:26
ubottuincog: No warez here! This is not a file sharing channel (or network); read the channel topic. If you're looking for information about me, type « /msg ubottu !bot ». If you're looking for a channel, see « /msg ubottu !alis ».14:26
ASHER1:\14:26
incog@find pthc14:26
DJonesincog: That is not helpful14:26
ASHER1this man14:27
ASHER1ask me on pm14:27
ASHER1<jrib> are you a bot14:27
incogi have no intention of behing helpful, this nerd was whining in #freenode about it so i came to have a look14:27
incog-h14:27
DJonesincog: This isn't a channel for idling, please part the channel14:27
ASHER1doing again14:27
ASHER1!list14:27
ubottuASHER1: No warez here! This is not a file sharing channel (or network); read the channel topic. If you're looking for information about me, type « /msg ubottu !bot ». If you're looking for a channel, see « /msg ubottu !alis ».14:27
ASHER1DJones14:28
ASHER1write now agaib14:28
ASHER1n14:28
AlanBell!list14:28
ubottuAlanBell: No warez here! This is not a file sharing channel (or network); read the channel topic. If you're looking for information about me, type « /msg ubottu !bot ». If you're looking for a channel, see « /msg ubottu !alis ».14:28
ASHER1now its ok14:28
ASHER1i know now14:28
DJonesASHER1: Thanks14:28
ASHER1i get ban14:28
ASHER1ok but you can please14:28
DJonesI'll remove the ban now14:28
ASHER1tell they remove ban14:29
ASHER1thanks14:29
AlanBellincog: show is over, off you go please14:29
ASHER1sorry about that i not see this problem before14:29
incogseems like you cant mock an op for fatfingering a mode14:30
incognow i have a legit reason to be here14:30
DJonesWell, if you hadn't used offensive language, I wouldn't have had an issue with the comment14:30
incogwere you offended that you got called out on messing up?14:31
DJonesASHER1: You should be able to rejoin now14:31
incogwould it have been less offensive if i talked in baby talk?14:31
ASHER1ok14:31
kloeriincog: enough14:31
incoghello kloeri14:31
incoghavent seen you in a while14:31
incogi was just chatting in #freenode about the NS letter you were served, sucks man, i kinda know that feelin14:32
incogim under a pile of NDAs and confidentiality agreements14:32
kloeriyes, we don't care about your delusions14:33
incogwe?14:33
incoghow many kloeris are there?14:33
kloerifreenode staff at the very least but I suspect most people would agree14:33
incogor do you speak for some greater whole14:33
AlanBellis this conversation going anywhere useful?14:34
incogit would if you stopped butting in14:34
incogso rude14:34
incogso, about my completely just and due ban in #ubuntu14:35
incogi would like it kept as-is14:35
incogif not, extended14:35
AlanBellok14:35
AlanBellanything else we can help you with today?14:36
incogi wouldnt like to stay in a channel that considers mockery of an ops failure to be a bannable offence, so i agree with this14:37
DJonesI'm quite happy with that, your comment has been noted, if there's nothing else, please note the no idle policy in the channel14:37
incogim seeing 55 idlers right now14:37
incogis this a selective policy?14:37
AlanBellyeah, lets make that 5414:37
lncogyes, hello, i would like to report a user for ban evasion and a blatant disregard of impotent and imaginary irc powers14:50
lncogalso i heard he idled in a no idle zone, a heinous crime14:50
IdleOnestaff, incog using his cloak to ban evade.14:59
incoga socks4 proxy acutally14:59
incogbased in ukraine14:59
incoghttp://www.fiestafrog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Randall.jpg15:00
IdleOnewould be nice if you just gave it a rest and parted the channel. clearly you are more leet then we are.15:01
incogits not about chest pounding about being the biggest nerd, its willful disobedience against unenforceable and pathetic rules15:02
incogbut thanks for being the channel tattle tale, im sure nobody could have figured it out on their own15:02
IdleOneSo say we stop trying to enforce this no idle rule. What do you gain by idling in this channel?15:02
incogi show how impotent irc babysitting is, with no effort15:03
IdleOneto whom?15:03
incogto whomever thinks their imaginary powers work15:03
IdleOnealright.15:03
AlanBelland when you have made your important and insightful point?15:04
incogdo you not see the sisyphean futility, analbell?15:04
AlanBellI normally would refer to it as whack-a-mole, but it does resemble the punishment of Sisyphus too15:05
holsteinif i didnt agree with the freenode network rules, i would run my own IRC server15:06
incogthen you automate it, then i automate it, ive done this dance for decades15:06
incogwe do run our own15:06
AlanBellwe?15:07
incogthe GNAA15:07
incogyes, hello15:08
incogas i was saying15:08
incogwe refers to the GNAA15:08
incogi am current defacto president as weev is in chains15:09
IdleOneWe don't care.15:09
incogthanks for the k-line kloeri, it really showed me15:09
incogIdleOne, who is we? surely it cant be the person that asked15:09
IdleOneWe is everyone in this channel.15:09
incogso great IdleOne, spokesperson for 55 chatters, how are you today15:10
incogas a collective15:10
incoggood job, op15:11
jncogi seem to be getting klined15:20
Myrttiyes hello, this is the dog15:36
geniiFloodbot1 seems caught in a loop in #u-unregged15:55
ubottuIn #ubuntu, marloshouse said: ubottu, i think my issue is there's an issue with this ntfs drive i'm trying to mount.  normally i mount my drives just fine, i just plugged this one in temporarily to do some data recovery on it15:56
Agamemnushello.17:12
ikoniahello17:12
Agamemnusikonia, i sent you a few private messages17:13
ikoniayes, I read them about 20 seconds before you joined17:13
Agamemnusi see17:13
ikoniaI understand you'd like your ban removed from #ubuntu17:14
Agamemnusthere is no need to chat here if you don't want to, I can see your messages in pm just fine.17:14
ikoniano no, it's fine here, this is a public channel, so anything we say here can be seen by other members of the ops team17:15
AgamemnusWell, in that case.17:15
AgamemnusI feel that both you and some other users in the channel were very abusive to me, verbally and mentally.17:15
ikoniaI understand that17:16
Agamemnusat first, I felt that you were helping me.17:16
AgamemnusBut then, going and telling me non-options constantly was just not productive.17:16
AgamemnusI am a programmer and I can debug and test various scenarios17:16
AgamemnusYou just kept telling me the same thing over and over.17:16
ikoniaok.17:17
AgamemnusEventually, I did solve the problem.. some files were missing, and the mysql database was corrupted17:17
ikoniano, it wasn't17:17
ikoniabut "ok"17:17
ikoniaplease continue17:17
Agamemnushow do you know it wasn't?17:17
AgamemnusI re-installed mysql server 5.5, and then I did "sudo aptitude install -f"17:18
Agamemnusif you must know.17:18
ikoniabecause you showed me your screen and went through the information with me, and I warned you multiple times that if you continued doing what you where doing you risked losing the database and data17:18
ikoniaeither way, please continue with what you want to say17:18
Agamemnusafter I showed you the screen you should have seen that there was no "mysql >" prompt. I told multiple times in the channel what I was seeing, but there was a mis-communication17:19
AgamemnusIt was simply crashing at that point.17:19
ikoniait is not crashing17:19
ikoniaas I told you 15+ times17:19
AgamemnusYeah, I waited a very long time.. it never got to mysql >17:19
ikoniait was behaving %100 correct17:19
ikoniacorrect, and it was never going to get there - as I told you last night17:20
AgamemnusSee, now that's not a solution17:20
ikoniano, it's not17:20
ikoniaplease continue, lets get to the point17:20
Agamemnusthe idea of it was to get to the prompt.17:20
Agamemnusand type in some mysql commands.17:20
Agamemnusbut that never happened.17:20
ikoniacorrect17:20
Agamemnusand you are saying it would never get to that point -- why?17:20
Agamemnusinstead of answering (you don't have to answer) you just brushed me off17:21
Agamemnusthen banned me.17:21
ikoniais that how you see things ?17:21
Agamemnusrepeating the same non-constructive thing is not helpful to anyone.17:22
ikoniaok, so lets look at it from the other side of the fence shall we17:22
ikoniaand lets be honest,17:22
ikoniayou have zero linux skills and awareness - which it's self is not a problem, you state that you are trying to break into a mysql database as you don't have the password, you are told what to do, and what not to do,17:23
ikoniayou ignore that advice multiple times, you give people incorrect information while stating you must not lose this data17:23
ikoniayou fail to follow instructions given to you multiple times17:23
Agamemnusthat's not an accurate portrayal of what happened.17:24
ikoniaplease tell me where I am wrong17:24
Agamemnusfirst of all "zero linux skills and awareness" -- right. That's not true. I've been using linux for a few years.17:24
ikoniathen you are not competant17:24
ikoniaas I said, lets be honest.17:24
Agamemnusnot knowing how to fix the server issues is not the same thing as being "not competent"17:24
ikoniano, not knowing that a process will not return a prompt until you start it in the background is basic17:25
ikoniaknowing that "mysql >" means you are in the mysql prompt - is basic17:25
Agamemnusno one asked me if I saw "mysql >"17:25
ikoniaknowing how to stop/start a service - is basic17:25
ikoniaAgamemnus: you asked "how do I know if I'm in the mysql prompt"17:25
Agamemnusnone of these things are basic.17:25
AgamemnusI saw "mysql"17:25
Agamemnusnot "mysql >"17:25
ikoniasure sure17:25
Agamemnustotally different.17:26
Agamemnusbecause I knew something was off17:26
ikoniathe bottom line is - your skill level was not at a stage to be able to safely do what you wanted to do17:26
Agamemnusas I only saw mysql -- the continuation of a directory17:26
Agamemnus..and a prompt.17:26
AgamemnusYet, I managed to do it anyway, after you banned me.17:26
AgamemnusSo that directly refutes your assertion17:26
ikoniaunless you paid close attention and reported information factually17:26
ikoniano, you actually got very lucky17:26
ikoniaand you managed to corrupt the database17:26
AgamemnusNo, I didn't.17:26
AgamemnusUhuh, sure.17:27
AgamemnusThe database was already corrupted.17:27
ikoniaas long as you are working though, that's great17:27
AgamemnusThat's why I couldn't change root.17:27
ikoniaha ha, no it's not17:27
ikoniathat had nothing to do with it17:27
AgamemnusAnd really, about 5 different people told me 10 different things17:27
ikoniayes, you did get lots of advice,17:27
Agamemnushow do you expect me to follow all of their instructions?17:27
Agamemnus.at the same time?17:27
Agamemnuswhile actually breathing?17:27
ikoniawork with someone - people where giving you different information because you where giving different information17:27
ikoniaeither way, you are working and happy - so that's great.17:28
AgamemnusSure, I was saying different things based on what I was seeing at the time.17:28
ikoniano, you made assumptions,17:28
ikoniaand guessed at things, reporting them as fact17:28
ikoniathis was a key part of the problem17:28
Agamemnusthat's inaccurate.17:28
ikoniasure, no problem then17:28
AgamemnusI did guess things, but only because I needed to test theories of what was wrong with the server.17:29
ikoniayou're theories where random nonsense though as you kept being told - and you kept reporting your guesses as fact.17:29
AgamemnusIf there was no guessing involved, then all that's needed is a magic command that makes everything right17:29
Agamemnusand no need for admins17:29
ikoniayou really have zero grasp of how to work through a problem17:29
AgamemnusRight, one person said that you can't change the init file, another person said that you can17:29
ikoniawhich is part of the reason I removed you from the channel17:29
ikoniano, this is your lack of basic understanding coming through17:30
AgamemnusNo, it is your lack of understanding someone who cannot tell you an issue in exact technical terms tat's the problem.17:30
ikoniaAgamemnus: so, lets cut to the chase, you want your ban removed.17:30
Agamemnusbut you're not the only one.17:30
ikoniaAgamemnus: keep in mind, that I help people of all levels every day17:30
ikoniafrom total new users, to experienced professionals.17:31
ikoniaat this time I'm not going to remove the ban from ubuntu for 2 core reasons17:31
AgamemnusYeah, but I was in a situation where my knowledge of ubuntu did not match the complexity of the task17:31
ikoniatotally yes17:32
Agamemnusbut that does not mean that you should be treating me like an idiot.17:32
ikoniano-one treated you like an idiot17:32
Agamemnusright17:32
AgamemnusHow many times was I called a troll?17:32
Agamemnus5, 6 times?17:32
Agamemnusit was a total nuthouse.17:32
Agamemnusyou were part of it.17:32
ikoniaAgamemnus: your zero ability with basic linux functions and your expeirenced task made it come across as a "troll" question as no-one with this lack of understanding could expect to safley do what you want17:33
ikoniaand at no time did I call you a troll.17:33
ikoniaalthough I can see why others thought that17:33
Agamemnusyou encouraged the others with your abrasive treatment of me.17:33
Agamemnusagain there with your zero ability17:33
ikoniaso the reasons I'm not removing the ban at this time is as follows (so you can deal with it)17:33
AgamemnusI have plenty of ability17:33
ikonia1.) your pig headed response to people helping you - even now when I'm explaining how you don't understand the problem, you still think you are right - thats not going to work in #ubuntu17:34
ikonia2.) you joined ##linux to rant about me and the people of #ubuntu - and try to make clever responses, that ruins another channel just because of your attitude, so I'm not going to allow someone who tries to ruin a channel for his own personal reasons to use #ubuntu17:35
AgamemnusYou didn't help me get to the bottom of it.. my trying to debug the issue is viewed in your eyes as a pig-headed response. I'm sorry, but that won't change. You have to modify your own behavior.17:35
AgamemnusI didn't rant about you, I complimented you for your banning17:35
ikoniayou where trying to be "clever" and complain about it, so again, at least be honest about it17:36
ikoniaso that's where it's at17:36
ikoniaat this time the ban will not be removed.17:36
Agamemnusand in fact, this isn't the first case of you banning someone because you can't talk to them without going out in an infinte loop.17:36
Agamemnusyou are an abusive moderator.17:36
ikoniaok, your opinion is noted.17:36
Agamemnusto top it off, you encourage bad behavior with your own style of verbal abuse.. crowd mentality.17:37
ikoniaif you want to have a think about it, you're welcome to rejoin this channel at a later date, and we can re-review the ban again .17:37
AgamemnusWell,17:37
AgamemnusI think you shouldn't be a moderator if you can't handle communication difficulties.17:37
ikoniaok, thank you, again it's noted17:38
Agamemnusfiled in the circular file, as it were17:38
ikoniayes, you've said that,17:38
ikoniaI think we are done now17:38
ikoniaif you'd like to /part this channel, and have a think about it17:38
AgamemnusYou told me to think about it. I think you should think about it, too.17:38
Agamemnusbye17:38
bazhangking_of_klines, was there something you needed here18:54
king_of_klinesjust got back from being called in at work18:55
king_of_klinesforgot why i was even here18:55
king_of_klineslemme read buffer18:55
king_of_klineslooks like im just here because theres a silly rule against idling18:55
king_of_klineswant me to leave?19:01
Myrttithat would be adviceable if you don't actually have any reason to be here19:01
bazhangyep19:01
baphomet1hello ubuntu-ops.  I was having issues with a sata card that I had tried to use in ubuntu.  I asked a question, albeit I could have asked in a more clear fashion, however the people that were trying to help me seemed to become abrasive rather quickly.  this is incredibly frustrating and I may have said something that I shouldn't have, but I don't understand how the issue is not ubuntu related.  bazhang is adamant that it is not ubuntu related.  at19:29
baphomet1any rate, I think things could have been handled better by both sides and I would like to ask that the kick/ban be removed19:29
baphomet1ChogyDan, can verify as will the chat logs19:30
bazhangit's a quiet not a ban19:30
bazhangChogyDan, please dont stay here19:30
baphomet1why would you ask ChogyDan to leave?19:31
ChogyDani was here to support him, but ill go if you wish19:31
bazhangthe channel is logged, so please dont idle here ChogyDan19:31
baphomet1ok, well I am asking that the quiet be lifted.  I have my answer now.19:31
bazhangbaphomet1, the channel is not for "will my  hardware work with Linux Kernal 2.6 or higher" questions19:32
bazhangs/kernal/kernel/19:32
baphomet1bazhang, yes, I get that now.19:32
baphomet1bazhang, and I went to hardware as you said, and guess what? I can't send to the channel19:32
baphomet1identifying now19:33
bazhangbaphomet1, you were repeatedly told by numerous helpers that it was not an ubuntu issue19:33
bazhangso register19:33
bazhangask in #freenode how to do so19:33
baphomet1bazhang, like I said, I have my answer.  why are you taking such a hard line?19:33
bazhangbaphomet1, as you were very abusive to the helpers, cursing and using all caps when asked to stop and continued nonetheless19:34
bazhangthats not a hard line at all19:34
baphomet1bazhang, cursed once.  used all caps once.19:34
baphomet1I see it as a hard line19:34
bazhangbaphomet1, the quiet will not be lifted at this time19:35
baphomet1you are painting a picture like I was doing this repeatedly.  that is not the case.  especially since I was just trying to understand something and the helpers appeared to be bashing me19:35
baphomet1and when will it be lifted?19:35
bazhangthere is not a time set. come back in 48 hrs and we can discuss19:35
baphomet1this is frustrating.  you are accusing me of doing something and painting the picture like it was done repeatedly and it wasn't.  I was just looking for help and was met with bashing.19:37
baphomet1is this the picture you want to paint for the open source community?19:37
bazhangsee you in 48 hrs baphomet119:38
baphomet1are there no other ops around.  I believe that bazhang is not unbiased in this discussion.19:38
ikoniabaphomet1: hi19:39
baphomet1hello ikonia19:39
ikoniayou called people "cunts" - people don't need to see that19:39
baphomet1ikonia, and I apologized for that.  I realize that was wrong.19:39
ikoniayes, I can appreciate that.19:39
ikoniabaphomet1: are you aware of the rules of the channel.19:39
baphomet1and I have my answer about what I need to do.19:39
baphomet1ikonia, no.19:39
ikoniaok, so reading them would be a good start19:39
ikonia!rules > baphomet119:40
ubottubaphomet1, please see my private message19:40
ikonia!guidelines > baphomet119:40
ikonia!coc > baphomet119:40
ikoniabaphomet1: the user ubottu should have just sent you 3 links,19:40
baphomet1checking htem19:40
baphomet1*them19:40
ikoniaok, so what I suggest you do, is read them in your leasure, then take some time, at least a few hours to absorb them and think about how you interact with people in Ubuntu19:41
LjLbaphomet1, please also keep in mind that if you disagree with an operator's decision and want their actions appealed, you can see /msg ubottu !appeals to communicate with Ubuntu's IRC governing body19:41
baphomet1I would like to ask the quiet be lifted.  I  believe that the channel is a valuable source of information.  I have my answer and I am in the hardware channel19:41
baphomet1so the quiet is not going to be lifted19:41
baphomet1?19:41
ikoniabaphomet1: I'm happy to lift the quiet19:42
ikoniajust not straight away19:42
ikoniabaphomet1: I think you need to fully absorb the guidlines.19:42
baphomet1ikonia, I am reading them now.19:42
ikoniabaphomet1: yes, and I said take a few hours to absorb them, and think about how you are going to interact with people in the Ubuntu channels going forward19:42
baphomet1ok.19:43
baphomet1be back in a few hours19:43
ikoniaok, so /part this channel, have a good read, think about how you behaved and how you are going to behave, and come back19:43
ikoniaanything you're unclear on / unsure on, just ask19:44
ikoniabaphomet1: acceptable ?19:45
bazhang<evermean> Are any officials here?20:07
bazhangperhaps he won a tshirt20:09
ikoniajohnjohn101: hi20:15
johnjohn101just wanted to see electron here... hee hee20:15
ikoniaok, johnjohn101 this isn't a "show" channel, it's for real issues to be helped with20:16
ikoniajohnjohn101: so if you don't need anything could you please /part20:16
johnjohn101leaving20:16
Electronso21:19
ikoniahello21:20
Electronj'ai pas le temps21:20
ikoniaElectron: can you please speak in English21:20
Electron!allume une cigarette21:20
ubottuElectron: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)21:20
ikoniaElectron: we know you can respond in english, please speak in English21:20
ikoniaElectron: can you please respond21:22
Electronask21:22
ikoniaElectron: please disable your bot plugin21:22
ikoniaElectron: can you please confirm21:22
Electronme too21:22
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baphomet1ikonia, I am back22:26
baphomet1are you there?22:27
AlanBellsomething we can help you with baphomet1?22:28
baphomet1AlanBell, I was quieted/muted.  ikonia told me to read the rules and come back in a few hours.  I have and I am back asking for the quite/mute to be lifted.22:30
AlanBellok baphomet1, so you have been quieted in #ubuntu for some hours now, have you been following the conversations there?22:32
baphomet1AlanBell, I did for a bit, but then I had to go.22:32
AlanBellso you get the idea of what a normal good tempered constructive support conversation looks like22:35
baphomet1yes22:35
AlanBellI have removed the quiet22:36
baphomet1thank you22:36
AlanBellbaphomet1: can you part from this channel now please, we like to discuss matters with people one at a time22:38

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