[01:10] more ignore for ubottu [01:10] seriously? [01:11] I can't imagine ignoring ubottu have em in /msg all the time [01:22] Why hello [01:23] GiGaHuRtZ, yes [01:23] Why am KI banned from a channel that i have said like two sentences in the past 12 months? [01:23] KI? [01:23] and i wasnt kicked [01:23] I* [01:23] which channel [01:23] #ubuntu+1 [01:23] trying toi get 13.10 support and questions answered [01:23] suddenly i am banned oddly [01:24] you were asked to remain on topic and continued nonetheless [01:24] in #unbutu+1? [01:24] uh what? [01:25] gota the public log of this supposed nothingness? [01:25] !1984 | GiGaHuRtZ [01:25] GiGaHuRtZ: Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ . LoCo channels are now logged there too. [01:25] its not likre im not already evading all the bans i have in ubuntu channells, #ubuntu, $#kiubuntu etc, so one more wont hurt. But i wouldnt mind seeing the crapp [01:25] npo, i wont want the lkinl [01:26] looking in that trease trove takes for evetr [01:26] GiGaHuRtZ, ban evading is not a good idea [01:26] well seeing how you are ban evading anyway, you won't mind leaving here. [01:26] right, but pici and tm_t have both seen the log where the banning op told me to ads long i follow rules [01:29] enjoy [01:33] IdleOne called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic () [05:46] GiGaHuRtZ seems to have very selective memory [05:46] in the other news, last night was rather good for watching stars [14:22] hello [14:22] i have problem [14:22] someone set in my address ban and i not doing nothing [14:22] someone please can remove my ban on ubuntu? [14:23] ASHER1: I removed you initially because you were responding to bot requests for !list, you then rejoined and continued doing it [14:23] If you can disable the script thats doing that, I'm quite happy to remove the ban [14:24] i not bot [14:24] someone inside my pm and ask me if i bot [14:24] Thats fine, but please disable the script then [14:24] what script [14:24] ? [14:24] i dont have script [14:25] i used on Normal mirc [14:25] ASHER1: The one that does this 14:06 < ASHER1> I syndicate the following [14:25] what [14:25] i dont understand [14:25] !list [14:25] DJones: No warez here! This is not a file sharing channel (or network); read the channel topic. If you're looking for information about me, type « /msg ubottu !bot ». If you're looking for a channel, see « /msg ubottu !alis ». [14:25] I syndicate the following: [14:26] That [14:26] Everytime somebody runs the !list command you automatically respond with that lne [14:26] line [14:26] !list [14:26] I syndicate the following: [14:26] incog: No warez here! This is not a file sharing channel (or network); read the channel topic. If you're looking for information about me, type « /msg ubottu !bot ». If you're looking for a channel, see « /msg ubottu !alis ». [14:26] :\ [14:26] @find pthc [14:26] incog: That is not helpful [14:27] this man [14:27] ask me on pm [14:27] are you a bot [14:27] i have no intention of behing helpful, this nerd was whining in #freenode about it so i came to have a look [14:27] -h [14:27] incog: This isn't a channel for idling, please part the channel [14:27] doing again [14:27] !list [14:27] ASHER1: No warez here! This is not a file sharing channel (or network); read the channel topic. If you're looking for information about me, type « /msg ubottu !bot ». If you're looking for a channel, see « /msg ubottu !alis ». [14:28] DJones [14:28] write now agaib [14:28] n [14:28] !list [14:28] AlanBell: No warez here! This is not a file sharing channel (or network); read the channel topic. If you're looking for information about me, type « /msg ubottu !bot ». If you're looking for a channel, see « /msg ubottu !alis ». [14:28] now its ok [14:28] i know now [14:28] ASHER1: Thanks [14:28] i get ban [14:28] ok but you can please [14:28] I'll remove the ban now [14:29] tell they remove ban [14:29] thanks [14:29] incog: show is over, off you go please [14:29] sorry about that i not see this problem before [14:30] seems like you cant mock an op for fatfingering a mode [14:30] now i have a legit reason to be here [14:30] Well, if you hadn't used offensive language, I wouldn't have had an issue with the comment [14:31] were you offended that you got called out on messing up? [14:31] ASHER1: You should be able to rejoin now [14:31] would it have been less offensive if i talked in baby talk? [14:31] ok [14:31] incog: enough [14:31] hello kloeri [14:31] havent seen you in a while [14:32] i was just chatting in #freenode about the NS letter you were served, sucks man, i kinda know that feelin [14:32] im under a pile of NDAs and confidentiality agreements [14:33] yes, we don't care about your delusions [14:33] we? [14:33] how many kloeris are there? [14:33] freenode staff at the very least but I suspect most people would agree [14:33] or do you speak for some greater whole [14:34] is this conversation going anywhere useful? [14:34] it would if you stopped butting in [14:34] so rude [14:35] so, about my completely just and due ban in #ubuntu [14:35] i would like it kept as-is [14:35] if not, extended [14:35] ok [14:36] anything else we can help you with today? [14:37] i wouldnt like to stay in a channel that considers mockery of an ops failure to be a bannable offence, so i agree with this [14:37] I'm quite happy with that, your comment has been noted, if there's nothing else, please note the no idle policy in the channel [14:37] im seeing 55 idlers right now [14:37] is this a selective policy? [14:37] yeah, lets make that 54 [14:50] yes, hello, i would like to report a user for ban evasion and a blatant disregard of impotent and imaginary irc powers [14:50] also i heard he idled in a no idle zone, a heinous crime [14:59] staff, incog using his cloak to ban evade. [14:59] a socks4 proxy acutally [14:59] based in ukraine [15:00] http://www.fiestafrog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Randall.jpg [15:01] would be nice if you just gave it a rest and parted the channel. clearly you are more leet then we are. [15:02] its not about chest pounding about being the biggest nerd, its willful disobedience against unenforceable and pathetic rules [15:02] but thanks for being the channel tattle tale, im sure nobody could have figured it out on their own [15:02] So say we stop trying to enforce this no idle rule. What do you gain by idling in this channel? [15:03] i show how impotent irc babysitting is, with no effort [15:03] to whom? [15:03] to whomever thinks their imaginary powers work [15:03] alright. [15:04] and when you have made your important and insightful point? [15:04] do you not see the sisyphean futility, analbell? [15:05] I normally would refer to it as whack-a-mole, but it does resemble the punishment of Sisyphus too [15:06] if i didnt agree with the freenode network rules, i would run my own IRC server [15:06] then you automate it, then i automate it, ive done this dance for decades [15:06] we do run our own [15:07] we? [15:07] the GNAA [15:08] yes, hello [15:08] as i was saying [15:08] we refers to the GNAA [15:09] i am current defacto president as weev is in chains [15:09] We don't care. [15:09] thanks for the k-line kloeri, it really showed me [15:09] IdleOne, who is we? surely it cant be the person that asked [15:09] We is everyone in this channel. [15:10] so great IdleOne, spokesperson for 55 chatters, how are you today [15:10] as a collective [15:11] good job, op [15:20] i seem to be getting klined [15:36] yes hello, this is the dog [15:55] Floodbot1 seems caught in a loop in #u-unregged [15:56] In #ubuntu, marloshouse said: ubottu, i think my issue is there's an issue with this ntfs drive i'm trying to mount. normally i mount my drives just fine, i just plugged this one in temporarily to do some data recovery on it [17:12] hello. [17:12] hello [17:13] ikonia, i sent you a few private messages [17:13] yes, I read them about 20 seconds before you joined [17:13] i see [17:14] I understand you'd like your ban removed from #ubuntu [17:14] there is no need to chat here if you don't want to, I can see your messages in pm just fine. [17:15] no no, it's fine here, this is a public channel, so anything we say here can be seen by other members of the ops team [17:15] Well, in that case. [17:15] I feel that both you and some other users in the channel were very abusive to me, verbally and mentally. [17:16] I understand that [17:16] at first, I felt that you were helping me. [17:16] But then, going and telling me non-options constantly was just not productive. [17:16] I am a programmer and I can debug and test various scenarios [17:16] You just kept telling me the same thing over and over. [17:17] ok. [17:17] Eventually, I did solve the problem.. some files were missing, and the mysql database was corrupted [17:17] no, it wasn't [17:17] but "ok" [17:17] please continue [17:17] how do you know it wasn't? [17:18] I re-installed mysql server 5.5, and then I did "sudo aptitude install -f" [17:18] if you must know. [17:18] because you showed me your screen and went through the information with me, and I warned you multiple times that if you continued doing what you where doing you risked losing the database and data [17:18] either way, please continue with what you want to say [17:19] after I showed you the screen you should have seen that there was no "mysql >" prompt. I told multiple times in the channel what I was seeing, but there was a mis-communication [17:19] It was simply crashing at that point. [17:19] it is not crashing [17:19] as I told you 15+ times [17:19] Yeah, I waited a very long time.. it never got to mysql > [17:19] it was behaving %100 correct [17:20] correct, and it was never going to get there - as I told you last night [17:20] See, now that's not a solution [17:20] no, it's not [17:20] please continue, lets get to the point [17:20] the idea of it was to get to the prompt. [17:20] and type in some mysql commands. [17:20] but that never happened. [17:20] correct [17:20] and you are saying it would never get to that point -- why? [17:21] instead of answering (you don't have to answer) you just brushed me off [17:21] then banned me. [17:21] is that how you see things ? [17:22] repeating the same non-constructive thing is not helpful to anyone. [17:22] ok, so lets look at it from the other side of the fence shall we [17:22] and lets be honest, [17:23] you have zero linux skills and awareness - which it's self is not a problem, you state that you are trying to break into a mysql database as you don't have the password, you are told what to do, and what not to do, [17:23] you ignore that advice multiple times, you give people incorrect information while stating you must not lose this data [17:23] you fail to follow instructions given to you multiple times [17:24] that's not an accurate portrayal of what happened. [17:24] please tell me where I am wrong [17:24] first of all "zero linux skills and awareness" -- right. That's not true. I've been using linux for a few years. [17:24] then you are not competant [17:24] as I said, lets be honest. [17:24] not knowing how to fix the server issues is not the same thing as being "not competent" [17:25] no, not knowing that a process will not return a prompt until you start it in the background is basic [17:25] knowing that "mysql >" means you are in the mysql prompt - is basic [17:25] no one asked me if I saw "mysql >" [17:25] knowing how to stop/start a service - is basic [17:25] Agamemnus: you asked "how do I know if I'm in the mysql prompt" [17:25] none of these things are basic. [17:25] I saw "mysql" [17:25] not "mysql >" [17:25] sure sure [17:26] totally different. [17:26] because I knew something was off [17:26] the bottom line is - your skill level was not at a stage to be able to safely do what you wanted to do [17:26] as I only saw mysql -- the continuation of a directory [17:26] ..and a prompt. [17:26] Yet, I managed to do it anyway, after you banned me. [17:26] So that directly refutes your assertion [17:26] unless you paid close attention and reported information factually [17:26] no, you actually got very lucky [17:26] and you managed to corrupt the database [17:26] No, I didn't. [17:27] Uhuh, sure. [17:27] The database was already corrupted. [17:27] as long as you are working though, that's great [17:27] That's why I couldn't change root. [17:27] ha ha, no it's not [17:27] that had nothing to do with it [17:27] And really, about 5 different people told me 10 different things [17:27] yes, you did get lots of advice, [17:27] how do you expect me to follow all of their instructions? [17:27] .at the same time? [17:27] while actually breathing? [17:27] work with someone - people where giving you different information because you where giving different information [17:28] either way, you are working and happy - so that's great. [17:28] Sure, I was saying different things based on what I was seeing at the time. [17:28] no, you made assumptions, [17:28] and guessed at things, reporting them as fact [17:28] this was a key part of the problem [17:28] that's inaccurate. [17:28] sure, no problem then [17:29] I did guess things, but only because I needed to test theories of what was wrong with the server. [17:29] you're theories where random nonsense though as you kept being told - and you kept reporting your guesses as fact. [17:29] If there was no guessing involved, then all that's needed is a magic command that makes everything right [17:29] and no need for admins [17:29] you really have zero grasp of how to work through a problem [17:29] Right, one person said that you can't change the init file, another person said that you can [17:29] which is part of the reason I removed you from the channel [17:30] no, this is your lack of basic understanding coming through [17:30] No, it is your lack of understanding someone who cannot tell you an issue in exact technical terms tat's the problem. [17:30] Agamemnus: so, lets cut to the chase, you want your ban removed. [17:30] but you're not the only one. [17:30] Agamemnus: keep in mind, that I help people of all levels every day [17:31] from total new users, to experienced professionals. [17:31] at this time I'm not going to remove the ban from ubuntu for 2 core reasons [17:31] Yeah, but I was in a situation where my knowledge of ubuntu did not match the complexity of the task [17:32] totally yes [17:32] but that does not mean that you should be treating me like an idiot. [17:32] no-one treated you like an idiot [17:32] right [17:32] How many times was I called a troll? [17:32] 5, 6 times? [17:32] it was a total nuthouse. [17:32] you were part of it. [17:33] Agamemnus: your zero ability with basic linux functions and your expeirenced task made it come across as a "troll" question as no-one with this lack of understanding could expect to safley do what you want [17:33] and at no time did I call you a troll. [17:33] although I can see why others thought that [17:33] you encouraged the others with your abrasive treatment of me. [17:33] again there with your zero ability [17:33] so the reasons I'm not removing the ban at this time is as follows (so you can deal with it) [17:33] I have plenty of ability [17:34] 1.) your pig headed response to people helping you - even now when I'm explaining how you don't understand the problem, you still think you are right - thats not going to work in #ubuntu [17:35] 2.) you joined ##linux to rant about me and the people of #ubuntu - and try to make clever responses, that ruins another channel just because of your attitude, so I'm not going to allow someone who tries to ruin a channel for his own personal reasons to use #ubuntu [17:35] You didn't help me get to the bottom of it.. my trying to debug the issue is viewed in your eyes as a pig-headed response. I'm sorry, but that won't change. You have to modify your own behavior. [17:35] I didn't rant about you, I complimented you for your banning [17:36] you where trying to be "clever" and complain about it, so again, at least be honest about it [17:36] so that's where it's at [17:36] at this time the ban will not be removed. [17:36] and in fact, this isn't the first case of you banning someone because you can't talk to them without going out in an infinte loop. [17:36] you are an abusive moderator. [17:36] ok, your opinion is noted. [17:37] to top it off, you encourage bad behavior with your own style of verbal abuse.. crowd mentality. [17:37] if you want to have a think about it, you're welcome to rejoin this channel at a later date, and we can re-review the ban again . [17:37] Well, [17:37] I think you shouldn't be a moderator if you can't handle communication difficulties. [17:38] ok, thank you, again it's noted [17:38] filed in the circular file, as it were [17:38] yes, you've said that, [17:38] I think we are done now [17:38] if you'd like to /part this channel, and have a think about it [17:38] You told me to think about it. I think you should think about it, too. [17:38] bye [18:54] king_of_klines, was there something you needed here [18:55] just got back from being called in at work [18:55] forgot why i was even here [18:55] lemme read buffer [18:55] looks like im just here because theres a silly rule against idling [19:01] want me to leave? [19:01] that would be adviceable if you don't actually have any reason to be here [19:01] yep [19:29] hello ubuntu-ops. I was having issues with a sata card that I had tried to use in ubuntu. I asked a question, albeit I could have asked in a more clear fashion, however the people that were trying to help me seemed to become abrasive rather quickly. this is incredibly frustrating and I may have said something that I shouldn't have, but I don't understand how the issue is not ubuntu related. bazhang is adamant that it is not ubuntu related. at [19:29] any rate, I think things could have been handled better by both sides and I would like to ask that the kick/ban be removed [19:30] ChogyDan, can verify as will the chat logs [19:30] it's a quiet not a ban [19:30] ChogyDan, please dont stay here [19:31] why would you ask ChogyDan to leave? [19:31] i was here to support him, but ill go if you wish [19:31] the channel is logged, so please dont idle here ChogyDan [19:31] ok, well I am asking that the quiet be lifted. I have my answer now. [19:32] baphomet1, the channel is not for "will my hardware work with Linux Kernal 2.6 or higher" questions [19:32] s/kernal/kernel/ [19:32] bazhang, yes, I get that now. [19:32] bazhang, and I went to hardware as you said, and guess what? I can't send to the channel [19:33] identifying now [19:33] baphomet1, you were repeatedly told by numerous helpers that it was not an ubuntu issue [19:33] so register [19:33] ask in #freenode how to do so [19:33] bazhang, like I said, I have my answer. why are you taking such a hard line? [19:34] baphomet1, as you were very abusive to the helpers, cursing and using all caps when asked to stop and continued nonetheless [19:34] thats not a hard line at all [19:34] bazhang, cursed once. used all caps once. [19:34] I see it as a hard line [19:35] baphomet1, the quiet will not be lifted at this time [19:35] you are painting a picture like I was doing this repeatedly. that is not the case. especially since I was just trying to understand something and the helpers appeared to be bashing me [19:35] and when will it be lifted? [19:35] there is not a time set. come back in 48 hrs and we can discuss [19:37] this is frustrating. you are accusing me of doing something and painting the picture like it was done repeatedly and it wasn't. I was just looking for help and was met with bashing. [19:37] is this the picture you want to paint for the open source community? [19:38] see you in 48 hrs baphomet1 [19:38] are there no other ops around. I believe that bazhang is not unbiased in this discussion. [19:39] baphomet1: hi [19:39] hello ikonia [19:39] you called people "cunts" - people don't need to see that [19:39] ikonia, and I apologized for that. I realize that was wrong. [19:39] yes, I can appreciate that. [19:39] baphomet1: are you aware of the rules of the channel. [19:39] and I have my answer about what I need to do. [19:39] ikonia, no. [19:39] ok, so reading them would be a good start [19:40] !rules > baphomet1 [19:40] baphomet1, please see my private message [19:40] !guidelines > baphomet1 [19:40] !coc > baphomet1 [19:40] baphomet1: the user ubottu should have just sent you 3 links, [19:40] checking htem [19:40] *them [19:41] ok, so what I suggest you do, is read them in your leasure, then take some time, at least a few hours to absorb them and think about how you interact with people in Ubuntu [19:41] baphomet1, please also keep in mind that if you disagree with an operator's decision and want their actions appealed, you can see /msg ubottu !appeals to communicate with Ubuntu's IRC governing body [19:41] I would like to ask the quiet be lifted. I believe that the channel is a valuable source of information. I have my answer and I am in the hardware channel [19:41] so the quiet is not going to be lifted [19:41] ? [19:42] baphomet1: I'm happy to lift the quiet [19:42] just not straight away [19:42] baphomet1: I think you need to fully absorb the guidlines. [19:42] ikonia, I am reading them now. [19:42] baphomet1: yes, and I said take a few hours to absorb them, and think about how you are going to interact with people in the Ubuntu channels going forward [19:43] ok. [19:43] be back in a few hours [19:43] ok, so /part this channel, have a good read, think about how you behaved and how you are going to behave, and come back [19:44] anything you're unclear on / unsure on, just ask [19:45] baphomet1: acceptable ? [20:07] Are any officials here? [20:09] perhaps he won a tshirt [20:15] johnjohn101: hi [20:15] just wanted to see electron here... hee hee [20:16] ok, johnjohn101 this isn't a "show" channel, it's for real issues to be helped with [20:16] johnjohn101: so if you don't need anything could you please /part [20:16] leaving [21:19] so [21:20] hello [21:20] j'ai pas le temps [21:20] Electron: can you please speak in English [21:20] !allume une cigarette [21:20] Electron: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [21:20] Electron: we know you can respond in english, please speak in English [21:22] Electron: can you please respond [21:22] ask [21:22] Electron: please disable your bot plugin [21:22] Electron: can you please confirm [21:22] me too === baphomet is now known as Guest48937 === Guest48937 is now known as baphomet1 [22:26] ikonia, I am back [22:27] are you there? [22:28] something we can help you with baphomet1? [22:30] AlanBell, I was quieted/muted. ikonia told me to read the rules and come back in a few hours. I have and I am back asking for the quite/mute to be lifted. [22:32] ok baphomet1, so you have been quieted in #ubuntu for some hours now, have you been following the conversations there? [22:32] AlanBell, I did for a bit, but then I had to go. [22:35] so you get the idea of what a normal good tempered constructive support conversation looks like [22:35] yes [22:36] I have removed the quiet [22:36] thank you [22:38] baphomet1: can you part from this channel now please, we like to discuss matters with people one at a time