[00:01] andrzejr: works perfectly except for one thing [00:02] it still doesn't detect all the small icons [00:02] did you mean to put box->is_small = (box->pixbuf_h <= ICON_SIZE && box->pixbuf_w <= ICON_SIZE); [00:03] even that wouldn't completely work as the sound menu icon is 24x22 [00:03] anyway, alignment is perfect now [00:05] it even makes the buttons fill the whole panel when there's one row, even if single row mode isn't turned on [00:05] i couldn't figure out how to do that :) [00:06] hmm.. sound menu icon works here (is "small") [00:06] try with ubuntu-mono-light or -dark - the icon there is a different size [00:07] i dunno why they decided to make is a different size to the others :| [00:07] bluetooth is also not square in that icon set [00:07] I'll change the condition to w <= 24 && h <= 24, can't allow more wiggle room or the layout will break [00:08] it seems to crop the icons anyway, if they are bigger [00:08] i tried changing ICON_SIZE a few times to see what would happen [00:08] for small icons, it doesn't care the real pixbuf size, i think - unless that's what you changed to fix the layout [00:10] I want "really big" icons (like load monitor) to be laid out separately. The question is where to put the threshold. [00:11] yeah true [00:11] 24px is enough anyway as long as they don't change the icons again [00:12] unrelated: did mousewheel on the sound icon (not the menu) ever work? [00:12] it's broken in the indicator currently i think, so i can't test it [00:12] I wish the icons were scalable, btw. [00:17] maybe that will happen with unity 8 [00:18] ali1234: Yes it did, works for me right now. [00:18] hmm ok, must be the indicator then [00:20] scroll event doesn't get to the button, some issue with my Gtk code [00:25] heh.. I've broken the layout of icon+label indicators on 13.04 [00:25] which indicator has both? === ElderDryas is now known as drc [00:42] ali1234, session (icon+username) [04:18] For the artwork team: what's the meaning of the dots in the default 13.10 wallpaper, please? [04:19] 13.10 1 dot, 3 dots, dot higher 1 so it'd be different than the dot. [04:23] Oh, as in 1-3 1-0 S? [04:29] The Xubuntu release version, yeah. [04:29] (You can't have a dot for zero, of course.) [04:30] looks like it's got a line for the "1" and a little "o" for zero - followed by a stylized "S" [04:31] of course it'd be nice to have a version without the dots, but c'est la vie [04:32] ...We may not be looking at the same image. [04:34] http://temp.knome.fi/.expwall/wallpaper-saucy-omnicolor-blueish.png more or less, but could be a different color? [04:35] https://www.dropbox.com/s/1enbx25mklupdgr/bg.png?m is mine. [04:37] this one - http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news2/Xubuntu-13-10-Alpha-2-Saucy-Salamander-Officially-Released-Screenshot-Tour-371185-2.jpg?1374822273 [04:38] Aha, 13.04, it was Raring's wallpaper. [04:39] Ah, gotcha. Beta 1 doesn't have the final wallpaper in it then [04:40] Not sure if what I linked will be final, but it's a mockup (would be blue, not red.) [04:43] well beta 1's color scheme looks very nice -- good luck with development [04:43] Thanks, good luck with using it? ;) [04:45] that's what i like about the *buntu family - easy to use. of course i have some strong opinions about look n feel [04:45] but who's going to listen to me anyway :-) [04:46] I did, but that doesn't count. [04:54] :-) [05:00] just consider making a version without the dots :-) [05:01] knome: Yer dots smell funny. Too large to do a dotless one as well? [06:04] Unit193, i can surely at least export versions without the dots. [06:05] Yep, but ISO size. [06:07] hah. [06:07] we're at about 800MB, and our "target" is 1GB... [06:07] sure, we can fit that in [06:07] just not sure if it's the thing we want to do ;) [06:08] * Unit193 prefers 800. [06:08] yup [06:08] but that's just an arbitrary number [06:08] going, say, 820, isn't making us technically oversized [06:12] hi guys, I found this: http://www.webupd8.org/2013/08/lightdm-session-locker-light-locker.html [06:12] maybe we could add this to Xubuntu 13.10? :) [06:13] olbi, feature freeze. [06:14] And some xubuntu members where involved in making that. :P [06:15] good to hear that :) [08:07] micahg, mr_pouit: Would either of you be able to give me testimonials for MOTU? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Noskcaj#MOTU [08:07] Or anyone? [09:22] bug 1221426 [09:23] bug 1221426 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "incorrect mimetype in defaults.list" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1221426 [12:23] meh, i still seem to have the reboot-bug (just kicks me to the greeter) [12:41] nvidia works fine for me in 13.10 SuperLag - using nouveau atm but was using the nvidia one for a while [12:42] elfy: you don't have any issues rebooting in saucy, right? [12:43] fraid not ochosi [12:43] (and you also have xfce4-session_4.10.1-1ubuntu1 ?) [12:43] well - actually [12:43] not sure not checked lately - 2 secs ... [12:47] ochosi: reboots fine - Installed: 4.10.1-1ubuntu1 for xfce4-session [12:48] elfy: could you check the output of "cat .cache/upstart/startxfce4.log | grep systemd" ? [12:48] no result [12:49] hmm [12:49] i get a systemd error [12:49] so maybe that's a result of upgrading or something [12:50] I'll boot one of the vms - update that and have a look [12:50] thanks, that'd be great [12:50] is this a machine you did 13.04 to 13.10 upgrade on? [12:51] yup [12:51] if so I'll look at lappy [12:51] ok - last thing laptop did was an upgrade test - I'll look there first [12:51] cool [12:56] lol - vm doesn't even have .cache/upstart [12:57] I'll update that then ... [12:58] yes it does - fail reading [12:58] laptop reboots fine - no systemd in startxfce4log [13:00] looks like the package systemd-shim does not get pulled in when doing an upgrade to 13.10 -> missing dependency? [13:02] brainwash: installing that fixes it for you? [13:02] I didn't try yet [13:02] aha [13:03] my laptop was a 13.04-13.10 upgrade 32bit [13:03] don't want my pc to suddenly shutdown my session, in case installing the package does fix the issue :) [13:03] i installed the package, installation alone doesn't do anything wonky ;) [13:04] elfy: do you have that package installed? [13:04] ochosi: you want me to redo with a 64bit - fine by me [13:04] let's dig a bit more before sending you through the pains of doing an upgrade test [13:05] installed [13:05] we might need that in the end anyway maybe, to confirm whatever we found uot [13:05] hm, i didn't have the package [13:05] well it's no pain - apart from running unetbootin a couple of times [13:05] so maybe brainwash is right [13:05] ochosi: but do you have 64bit - if you do I should do the test - then we know it's more than you 2 [13:06] assuming brainwash is on 64bit [13:06] i'm on 64bit [13:06] yes [13:06] ok - well I didn't check reboot with 64bit [13:07] i can test as soon as my upload of a file finishes [13:07] (few mins) [13:07] and it's quicker to do it with a real machine than vm - happy to do it if you want me to [13:07] cannot test it just now either [13:08] elfy: sure, just give me 5 more mins [13:13] ok - vm updated - that's all working ok - but that's not an upgrade [13:14] taking this image as reference http://i1.wp.com/www.smdavis.us/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/greybird-firefox.png the X button on my firefox tabs appears to be twice as big [13:14] after upgrading to 13.10 [13:14] mines always been bigger than that [13:14] ok folks i just tested [13:14] no change? [13:15] and a reboot later things are fixed [13:15] so it was the missing package [13:15] hooray :) [13:15] ok - I'll not do more than [13:15] brainwash: my tab-close is exactly that size [13:15] ochosi: really strange [13:15] elfy: well being able to confirm that the package is missing would be cool but not 100% necessary maybe [13:15] not sure why it's missing on an upgrade anyway... [13:16] brainwash: screenshot? [13:16] ochosi: well I'll do an upgrade then I can confirm properly [13:16] brainwash: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-09062013-031617pm.php [13:16] elfy: great, then we get a proper bugreport [13:16] http://imagebin.org/270046 [13:16] ochosi: [13:16] sigh ... [13:16] ochosi: yep :) [13:17] that's a different icon theme [13:17] so no wonder those icons are different (incl the close-button) :) [13:17] I just use whatever is default [13:17] impossible [13:17] oh [13:17] hang on I use faenza icons lol [13:17] yup, i know [13:17] i recognized it [13:18] :) [13:18] what is the default icon theme :) [13:18] http://oi39.tinypic.com/n6cahs.jpg [13:18] elementary-xfce-darker [13:19] ^ screenshot of firefox [13:19] in all fairness, that's not ff but aurora [13:19] so it might also be a problem with these nightly builds [13:19] mine looks more or less the same now [13:19] rly? [13:19] :/ [13:19] it's the same firefox/package I was using before upgrading to 13.10 [13:20] so there's an icon inheritance bug or something [13:21] maybe some sort of touch-enabled behavior did kick in [13:21] meh, what the heck, the 16px folder is empty [13:21] mr_pouit: what did you upload there!! [13:21] :D [13:21] so sorry, half my baed [13:21] bad [13:21] but it'll get fixed [13:22] * ochosi knocks on wood [13:22] (it's already fixed in git, just a matter of uploading) [13:22] to be honest I kinda start to like these bigger buttons :) [13:23] ochosi: that's great [13:23] then never update the icon-package again ;) [13:23] ok - installing 13.04 now [13:26] so "systemd-services" only recommends systemd or systemd-shim [13:28] and usually recommended packages are installed by default, or? [13:28] so maybe we don't treat recommends as depends anymore [13:31] synaptic here has consider recommended as dependencies as false [13:31] and I don't fiddle [13:31] ali1234: by the way, i'm pushing a new meta icon-theme at the moment that is designed towards Orion (elementary-xfce-darker), will land in xubuntu-artwork in a few minutes and then i hope mr_pouit updates the package soon [13:32] also, the latest indicator-changes from you guys really fixed positioning here [13:32] awesome work! [13:53] ochosi: so assuming it all fails for me here after the upgrade I'll do a bug report - but what package shall I report against [13:54] I'm thinking about upgrading to 13.10b1, my only concern is Nvidia drivers. Any of you guys hear of issues with the latest beta and Nvidia stuff? [13:54] becasue systemd-shim won't be installed [13:55] SuperLag: not heard or seen anything - works ok with nouveau and nvidia-current for me - or did [13:55] excellent [13:56] I have a bunch of 3rd-party stuff too, but none of it is crucial for $DAYJOB, and I can wait for it. :) [13:57] regardless of that I would check that it works for you with the live session first - I'd not install a beta if it was my only machine [14:01] I've had it running in VM for quite awhile. It's great. [14:03] elfy: i'd report it against xfce4-session, it should pull in both [14:03] apart from the logout issue i dont see any real blockers ahead so far [14:03] okey doke [14:03] well I don't like the indicator-sound issue [14:04] nor the not being able to logout properly issue [14:06] elfy: yeah, i agree, we should keep a list of these issues somewhere [14:07] haha [14:08] I just noticed a cosmetic bug in the updater. [14:08] ochosi: agreed - that is somewhere tangible - my head, your head, knome's head shouldn't count [14:08] it says it's upgrading to 13.04 [14:08] rather than 13.10 [14:08] elfy: i also tend to forget about indicator-sound because i have the gtk3 indicators installed... [14:08] SuperLag: noticed that too [14:09] I'm in the less than useful position of being half way between both at the moment ochosi [14:10] elfy: yeah, no worries, indicator-sound should be fixed anyway [14:11] indeed - but at the moment it's in my list :) [14:12] *sigh* [14:12] SuperLag: is that bug if you upgrade via net - the 13.10 iso I am upgrading with refers to 13.10 [14:12] http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-09062013-071137am.php [14:12] I'd be looking at ppa's and 3rd party sources first [14:14] ochosi: that's a point - did you upgrade to 13.10 with an iso or via net? [14:14] One of the previous steps said it disabled 3rd-party sources. [14:14] So I figured that would do the trick. Should I actually remove those packages? or just disable the PPA's? [14:14] SuperLag: is the 13.04 completely up to date? [14:14] it is [14:15] I'd boot that - make sure it is up to date and disable them there - then try the upgrade [14:15] just don't update it ... [14:24] ochosi: mine rebooted ... [14:31] might have zsynced the image since then redoing it ... [14:42] knome: http://pad.ubuntu.com/duYDbHFs7s [15:00] elfy: i upgraded via net [15:00] ok - I'll do the same then [15:01] just reinstalling 13.04 atm [15:02] hm, USC really has become more responsive [15:04] I never notice I'm afraid [15:05] pulls way too many dependencies, so I got rid of it [15:05] i usually only notice by accident [15:05] lol [15:05] hm, stupid skype is still unthemed and doesn't use its indicator for some reason [15:05] how does the application menu hide Thunar.desktop and xfce4-terminal.desktop? [15:05] some *** in my .config prevents it it seems [15:06] brainwash: it doesn't here, both in accessories [15:06] hmpf, USC still pops up stupid debconf windows [15:07] ochosi: the real ones or just the generic exo ones? [15:11] generic ones [15:12] ochosi: not sure this is going to be worth it - running the upgrade via net - it's got systemd-shim in the list of packages to install [15:12] but I can do it if you feel it's can help [15:12] hm nah, not sure then [15:12] i'm not sure what went wrong here and why the package wasn't installed [15:12] maybe it wasn't on the mirror i used [15:13] possible - also - when did you do the upgrade? [15:14] or it's caused by customizing the 13.04 installation (removing/installing packages) [15:14] yep [15:14] hard to tell [15:14] at least we know what is going on though [15:15] I usually tend to remove many packages and only use what I really need [15:15] mmm [15:16] but it's still a dependency issue, isn't it? [15:17] and upgrading normally pulls the xubuntu meta package [15:19] elfy: i upgraded two or three days ago [15:19] me just yesterday [15:19] ok [15:20] well I get lost looking at dependencies - -shim appears to be a dependant of -services which is a dependant of xfce4-powermanager [15:20] ochosi: did you add the gnome 3.8 ppa? [15:20] meh, my vbox+extensions doesn't recognize any usb devices, how is that possible... :'( [15:21] brainwash: nope, should i? [15:21] ochosi: no, was just thinking that having gnome 3.8 packages could have somehow prevent systemd-shim from being installed [15:22] could've just as well been some other ppa [15:23] yea, but I would only associate gnome with systemd [15:23] i guess ubuntu is one of the few distros that i wouldn't associate with systemd, all the others will get it in the long run i guess [15:25] hopefully one of you will create a bug report addressing this issue, or isn't it worth it? well, it should be :) [15:26] brainwash: well it would be better done on with ubuntu-bug with a machine that has the issue - like your's :) [15:27] then someone can confirm it - like ochosi who's got a fixed machine - I've not found the bug - and this laptop try is going to install it [15:28] elfy: can you remove systemd-shim? [15:28] removing it should be possible either I think [15:29] why would I do that? [15:30] if you can remove it easily wihtout removing other (important) packages, then something is wrong [15:30] because apparently xfce4-session requires it to restart/shutdown [15:30] it's not saying anything other than do I want to :) [15:31] simulate it then :P [15:32] or are my thoughts plain wrong? [15:32] well - what is the problem with you reporting the bug? [15:32] technically I'm not affected anymore after installing the package manually [15:33] so the question is: can you remove the package manually or will other packages get removed also? [15:34] nothing else gets removed [15:34] so something is not right somewhere [15:34] well, this is an issue [15:34] missing dependency [15:34] yep - but as I said ^^ I'm lost looking for it at the moment [15:36] guess I file a bug report later, could be always marked as duplicate if another one already exists :) [15:39] I'll do it now [15:41] it's definitely the cause :) [15:45] ochosi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-session/+bug/1221809 [15:45] Launchpad bug 1221809 in xfce4-session (Ubuntu) "systemd-shim removal causes restart to logout" [Undecided,New] [15:53] ochosi: I subscribed the xubuntu bug team to that now as well [15:59] elfy: thanks! [16:01] nothing more I can do - shall put the kettle on now [16:22] knome: I'm doing a general post to -dev m/l - you got any problem with me including the Upgrade tests in it? [16:23] elfy: thanks for reporting :) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-session/+bug/1221809 [16:23] Launchpad bug 1221809 in xfce4-session (Ubuntu) "systemd-shim removal causes restart to logout" [Undecided,Confirmed] [16:24] brainwash: welcome [16:37] elfy: 13.10 is nice. nvidia-current worked fine, as well [16:38] I'm sure those who've worked towards it will be pleased to hear that :) [16:39] most def [16:39] elfy: well you did too! [16:39] this was one of the most active testing cycles i've seen so far [16:39] well I do that :) [16:40] and thanks - I'm glad it'd been worth it :) [16:42] I forgot to make backups of some of my .desktop files. Is there a way to generate a shell of a .desktop file, something with the bare minimum of required lines? [16:43] I should get in the habit of putting those in ~/.local/share/applications/ rather than /usr/share/applications/... as that would have helped me to avoid all that mess :) [18:15] knome: btw, rt@ubuntu.com hates my lyz@ubuntu.com email address, so if there are updates to the static ticket I need to act on, please let me know :) [19:25] sigh at sending mails instead of saving them :| [19:26] :( [19:27] pleia2: next time someone does anything with the website - there's a couple of oddities on http://xubuntu.org/contribute/ "and participate discussions" and "Be in contact" [19:27] ochosi: Did you mess with indicators in raring? Purge systemd-services maybe? [19:30] elfy: can you submit a bug with the edits required? https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website [19:30] elfy: we don't really have a schedule for updates (it's just wordpress, no 'releases' of pages really), but I try to go through bug reports somewhat regularly [19:31] pleia2: yep of course I can - didn't know it was there :) [19:32] oh - I thought I had rights to the wordpress thingy [19:32] though it was a long time ago I last looked at it [19:33] elfy: you should be able to log in to wordpress, but probably not edit pages and things, probably just to review posts [19:33] And draft, but not publish. [19:33] can't remember - nor remember even how to :p [19:37] bug done [20:47] Unit193: no, there was no messing with systemd in raring [23:25] hey andrzejr [23:26] hi [23:26] the latest version works great wrt positioning [23:26] i started testing/using it today [23:28] good [23:28] to me it feels kinda ready [23:29] not much left to do [23:29] scroll events still don't go through, though [23:29] unless maybe fix the scroll-event [23:29] ah [23:29] yeah :) [23:29] i sent an email to nick about a release of libxfce4ui a few minutes ago [23:29] we need it for the next parole-release as well [23:30] after the scroll-event, the next big thing would be merging the wrapper3 branch to master... [23:30] they get all the way through to WrapperPlug so the problem is somewhere in the plugin or libxfce4-panel [23:30] weird, but those signals haven't significantly changed with gtk3 afaik [23:31] I don't know what's wrong yet [23:32] re: transparency issue in the panel - panel in 13.10 is transparent (gtk2 part) in 13.04 is not. maybe something was fixed in gtk 3.8 [23:33] hm, i'm on 13.10 and it doesn't work for me [23:33] http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-09072013-013343am.php [23:33] what part? indicator plugin? [23:33] yup [23:34] that's because of a workaround we've added to the panel (wrapper) [23:34] otherwise gtk3 plugins were completely transparent. [23:34] odd [23:34] so how is it working for you then? [23:35] did you push out the workaround? [23:35] My panel on raring is transparent. :D [23:35] Unit193: panel transparency isn't the issue, it's gtk2 + gtk3 in a panel + transparency for both [23:36] ochosi, did you fix padding in greybird? [23:37] well it's the same as trayicons now [23:37] so for me that's fixed [23:38] but better thest it for yourself and tell me whether you're ok with it [23:38] just pulled, still zero padding [23:38] you mean space between the indicators? [23:39] button sizes are same as icon sizes (22px), which makes the layout very tight [23:39] (i didn't add that because it looks weird with the trayicons not having any padding in-between) [23:40] systray has its own issues but all other plugins have some padding. [23:41] indicator plugin also used to have some previously [23:41] can you show me a screenshot plz? [23:43] greybird in 13.10 looks ok, btw. only git version has this packing issue [23:43] that's odd, cause the 13.10 version doesn't have any special theming applied to the indicators [23:43] so the bg-color should also be wrong [23:45] bg-color is wrong but spacing is fine [23:47] now i only added a check to set the border-radius to 0 (no roundness) and the fg-color to white [23:47] and personally i don't see a difference [23:49] http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/indicator-greybird-git.php [23:51] what's not visible on screenshot is that the hover highlight is exactly the same size as some of the icons (clementine, multiload) or labels. [23:52] so you're comparing launchers to the indicators? [23:52] on the left are other plugins (places and launchers) [23:52] just as an example of a correct padding. [23:53] look at (no) space between the clock and the clementine indicator, or the multiload one. [23:54] are those rows? [23:54] tbh i'm a bit confused on what starts and ends where in this screenshot [23:54] fwiw, this is how it looks for me: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-09072013-015332am.php [23:54] (2 trayicons, 3 indicators, 2 launchers) [23:55] yes, these are rows but with a single row there is still zero padding. [23:55] no extra padding between the launchers, they're really next to each other [23:56] strange, that's not what I see. [23:56] what gtk version? [23:56] 3.8 [23:57] if i add back the borders, the icons get clipped in a 24px panel [23:59] even if i comment out everything, except the colorchanges, i never get a result close to what you have with your launchers in gtk2 [23:59] are you sure you didn't add spacers in between? :)