[00:01] <ali1234> andrzejr: works perfectly except for one thing
[00:02] <ali1234> it still doesn't detect all the small icons
[00:02] <ali1234> did you mean to put box->is_small = (box->pixbuf_h <= ICON_SIZE && box->pixbuf_w <= ICON_SIZE);
[00:03] <ali1234> even that wouldn't completely work as the sound menu icon is 24x22
[00:03] <ali1234> anyway, alignment is perfect now
[00:05] <ali1234> it even makes the buttons fill the whole panel when there's one row, even if single row mode isn't turned on
[00:05] <ali1234> i couldn't figure out how to do that :)
[00:06] <andrzejr> hmm.. sound menu icon works here (is "small")
[00:06] <ali1234> try with ubuntu-mono-light or -dark - the icon there is a different size
[00:07] <ali1234> i dunno why they decided to make is a different size to the others :|
[00:07] <ali1234> bluetooth is also not square in that icon set
[00:07] <andrzejr> I'll change the condition to w <= 24 && h <= 24, can't allow more wiggle room or the layout will break
[00:08] <ali1234> it seems to crop the icons anyway, if they are bigger
[00:08] <ali1234> i tried changing ICON_SIZE a few times to see what would happen
[00:08] <ali1234> for small icons, it doesn't care the real pixbuf size, i think - unless that's what you changed to fix the layout
[00:10] <andrzejr> I want "really big" icons (like load monitor) to be laid out separately. The question is where to put the threshold.
[00:11] <ali1234> yeah true
[00:11] <ali1234> 24px is enough anyway as long as they don't change the icons again
[00:12] <ali1234> unrelated: did mousewheel on the sound icon (not the menu) ever work?
[00:12] <ali1234> it's broken in the indicator currently i think, so i can't test it
[00:12] <andrzejr> I wish the icons were scalable, btw.
[00:17] <ali1234> maybe that will happen with unity 8
[00:18] <Unit193> ali1234: Yes it did, works for me right now.
[00:18] <ali1234> hmm ok, must be the indicator then
[00:20] <andrzejr> scroll event doesn't get to the button, some issue with my Gtk code
[00:25] <andrzejr> heh.. I've broken the layout of icon+label indicators on 13.04
[00:25] <ali1234> which indicator has both?
[00:42] <andrzejr> ali1234, session (icon+username)
[04:18] <eco2geek> For the artwork team: what's the meaning of the dots in the default 13.10 wallpaper, please?
[04:19] <Unit193> 13.10  1 dot, 3 dots, dot higher 1 so it'd be different than the dot.
[04:23] <eco2geek> Oh, as in 1-3 1-0 S?
[04:29] <Unit193> The Xubuntu release version, yeah.
[04:29] <Unit193> (You can't have a dot for zero, of course.)
[04:30] <eco2geek> looks like it's got a line for the "1" and a little "o" for zero - followed by a stylized "S"
[04:31] <eco2geek> of course it'd be nice to have a version without the dots, but c'est la vie
[04:32] <Unit193> ...We may not be looking at the same image.
[04:34] <Unit193> http://temp.knome.fi/.expwall/wallpaper-saucy-omnicolor-blueish.png more or less, but could be a different color?
[04:35] <Unit193> https://www.dropbox.com/s/1enbx25mklupdgr/bg.png?m is mine.
[04:37] <eco2geek> this one - http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news2/Xubuntu-13-10-Alpha-2-Saucy-Salamander-Officially-Released-Screenshot-Tour-371185-2.jpg?1374822273
[04:38] <Unit193> Aha, 13.04, it was Raring's wallpaper.
[04:39] <eco2geek> Ah, gotcha. Beta 1 doesn't have the final wallpaper in it then
[04:40] <Unit193> Not sure if what I linked will be final, but it's a mockup (would be blue, not red.)
[04:43] <eco2geek> well beta 1's color scheme looks very nice -- good luck with development
[04:43] <Unit193> Thanks, good luck with using it? ;)
[04:45] <eco2geek> that's what i like about the *buntu family - easy to use. of course i have some strong opinions about look n feel
[04:45] <eco2geek> but who's going to listen to me anyway :-)
[04:46] <Unit193> I did, but that doesn't count.
[04:54] <eco2geek> :-)
[05:00] <eco2geek> just consider making a version without the dots :-)
[05:01] <Unit193> knome: Yer dots smell funny.  Too large to do a dotless one as well?
[06:04] <knome> Unit193, i can surely at least export versions without the dots.
[06:05] <Unit193> Yep, but ISO size.
[06:07] <knome> hah.
[06:07] <knome> we're at about 800MB, and our "target" is 1GB...
[06:07] <knome> sure, we can fit that in
[06:07] <knome> just not sure if it's the thing we want to do ;)
[06:08]  * Unit193 prefers 800.
[06:08] <knome> yup
[06:08] <knome> but that's just an arbitrary number
[06:08] <knome> going, say, 820, isn't making us technically oversized
[06:12] <olbi> hi guys, I found this: http://www.webupd8.org/2013/08/lightdm-session-locker-light-locker.html
[06:12] <olbi> maybe we could add this to Xubuntu 13.10? :)
[06:13] <knome> olbi, feature freeze.
[06:14] <Unit193> And some xubuntu members where involved in making that. :P
[06:15] <olbi> good to hear that :)
[08:07] <Noskcaj> micahg, mr_pouit: Would either of you be able to give me testimonials for MOTU? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Noskcaj#MOTU
[08:07] <Noskcaj> Or anyone?
[09:22] <Noskcaj> bug 1221426
[12:23] <ochosi> meh, i still seem to have the reboot-bug (just kicks me to the greeter)
[12:41] <elfy> nvidia works fine for me in 13.10 SuperLag - using nouveau atm but was using the nvidia one for a while
[12:42] <ochosi> elfy: you don't have any issues rebooting in saucy, right?
[12:43] <elfy> fraid not ochosi 
[12:43] <ochosi> (and you also have xfce4-session_4.10.1-1ubuntu1 ?)
[12:43] <elfy> well - actually
[12:43] <elfy> not sure not checked lately - 2 secs ... 
[12:47] <elfy> ochosi: reboots fine - Installed: 4.10.1-1ubuntu1 for xfce4-session
[12:48] <ochosi> elfy: could you check the output of "cat .cache/upstart/startxfce4.log | grep systemd" ?
[12:48] <elfy> no result
[12:49] <ochosi> hmm
[12:49] <ochosi> i get a systemd error
[12:49] <ochosi> so maybe that's a result of upgrading or something
[12:50] <elfy> I'll boot one of the vms - update that and have a look 
[12:50] <ochosi> thanks, that'd be great
[12:50] <elfy> is this a machine you did 13.04 to 13.10 upgrade on?
[12:51] <ochosi> yup
[12:51] <elfy> if so I'll look at lappy 
[12:51] <elfy> ok - last thing laptop did was an upgrade test - I'll look there first
[12:51] <ochosi> cool
[12:56] <elfy> lol - vm doesn't even have .cache/upstart
[12:57] <elfy> I'll update that then ... 
[12:58] <elfy> yes it does - fail reading
[12:58] <elfy> laptop reboots fine - no systemd in startxfce4log
[13:00] <brainwash> looks like the package systemd-shim does not get pulled in when doing an upgrade to 13.10 -> missing dependency?
[13:02] <ochosi> brainwash: installing that fixes it for you?
[13:02] <brainwash> I didn't try yet
[13:02] <ochosi> aha
[13:03] <elfy> my laptop was a 13.04-13.10 upgrade 32bit 
[13:03] <brainwash> don't want my pc to suddenly shutdown my session, in case installing the package does fix the issue :)
[13:03] <ochosi> i installed the package, installation alone doesn't do anything wonky ;)
[13:04] <ochosi> elfy: do you have that package installed?
[13:04] <elfy> ochosi: you want me to redo with a 64bit - fine by me
[13:04] <ochosi> let's dig a bit more before sending you through the pains of doing an upgrade test
[13:05] <elfy> installed
[13:05] <ochosi> we might need that in the end anyway maybe, to confirm whatever we found uot
[13:05] <ochosi> hm, i didn't have the package
[13:05] <elfy> well it's no pain - apart from running unetbootin a couple of times
[13:05] <ochosi> so maybe brainwash is right
[13:05] <elfy> ochosi: but do you have 64bit - if you do I should do the test - then we know it's more than you 2
[13:06] <elfy> assuming brainwash is on 64bit
[13:06] <ochosi> i'm on 64bit
[13:06] <brainwash> yes
[13:06] <elfy> ok - well I didn't check reboot with 64bit 
[13:07] <ochosi> i can test as soon as my upload of a file finishes
[13:07] <ochosi> (few mins)
[13:07] <elfy> and it's quicker to do it with a real machine than vm - happy to do it if you want me to 
[13:07] <brainwash> cannot test it just now either
[13:08] <ochosi> elfy: sure, just give me 5 more mins
[13:13] <elfy> ok - vm updated - that's all working ok - but that's not an upgrade
[13:14] <brainwash> taking this image as reference http://i1.wp.com/www.smdavis.us/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/greybird-firefox.png the X button on my firefox tabs appears to be twice as big
[13:14] <brainwash> after upgrading to 13.10
[13:14] <elfy> mines always been bigger than that 
[13:14] <ochosi> ok folks i just tested
[13:14] <elfy> no change? 
[13:15] <ochosi> and a reboot later things are fixed
[13:15] <ochosi> so it was the missing package
[13:15] <brainwash> hooray :)
[13:15] <elfy> ok - I'll not do more than
[13:15] <ochosi> brainwash: my tab-close is exactly that size
[13:15] <brainwash> ochosi: really strange
[13:15] <ochosi> elfy: well being able to confirm that the package is missing would be cool but not 100% necessary maybe
[13:15] <ochosi> not sure why it's missing on an upgrade anyway...
[13:16] <ochosi> brainwash: screenshot?
[13:16] <elfy> ochosi: well I'll do an upgrade then I can confirm properly
[13:16] <ochosi> brainwash: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-09062013-031617pm.php
[13:16] <ochosi> elfy: great, then we get a proper bugreport
[13:16] <elfy> http://imagebin.org/270046
[13:16] <elfy> ochosi: 
[13:16] <elfy> sigh ... 
[13:16] <elfy> ochosi: yep :)
[13:17] <ochosi> that's a different icon theme
[13:17] <ochosi> so no wonder those icons are different (incl the close-button) :)
[13:17] <elfy> I just use whatever is default 
[13:17] <ochosi> impossible
[13:17] <elfy> oh 
[13:17] <elfy> hang on I use faenza icons lol
[13:17] <ochosi> yup, i know
[13:17] <ochosi> i recognized it
[13:18] <elfy> :)
[13:18] <elfy> what is the default icon theme :)
[13:18] <brainwash> http://oi39.tinypic.com/n6cahs.jpg
[13:18] <ochosi> elementary-xfce-darker
[13:19] <brainwash> ^ screenshot of firefox
[13:19] <ochosi> in all fairness, that's not ff but aurora
[13:19] <ochosi> so it might also be a problem with these nightly builds
[13:19] <elfy> mine looks more or less the same now
[13:19] <ochosi> rly?
[13:19] <ochosi> :/
[13:19] <brainwash> it's the same firefox/package I was using before upgrading to 13.10
[13:20] <ochosi> so there's an icon inheritance bug or something
[13:21] <brainwash> maybe some sort of touch-enabled behavior did kick in
[13:21] <ochosi> meh, what the heck, the 16px folder is empty
[13:21] <ochosi> mr_pouit: what did you upload there!!
[13:21] <brainwash> :D
[13:21] <ochosi> so sorry, half my baed
[13:21] <ochosi> bad
[13:21] <ochosi> but it'll get fixed
[13:22]  * ochosi knocks on wood
[13:22] <ochosi> (it's already fixed in git, just a matter of uploading)
[13:22] <brainwash> to be honest I kinda start to like these bigger buttons :)
[13:23] <brainwash> ochosi: that's great
[13:23] <ochosi> then never update the icon-package again ;)
[13:23] <elfy> ok - installing 13.04 now 
[13:26] <brainwash> so "systemd-services" only recommends systemd or systemd-shim
[13:28] <brainwash> and usually recommended packages are installed by default, or?
[13:28] <ochosi> so maybe we don't treat recommends as depends anymore
[13:31] <elfy> synaptic here has consider recommended as dependencies as false 
[13:31] <elfy> and I don't fiddle
[13:31] <ochosi> ali1234: by the way, i'm pushing a new meta icon-theme at the moment that is designed towards Orion (elementary-xfce-darker), will land in xubuntu-artwork in a few minutes and then i hope mr_pouit updates the package soon
[13:32] <ochosi> also, the latest indicator-changes from you guys really fixed positioning here
[13:32] <ochosi> awesome work!
[13:53] <elfy> ochosi: so assuming it all fails for me here after the upgrade I'll do a bug report - but what package shall I report against
[13:54] <SuperLag> I'm thinking about upgrading to 13.10b1, my only concern is Nvidia drivers. Any of you guys hear of issues with the latest beta and Nvidia stuff?
[13:54] <elfy> becasue systemd-shim won't be installed
[13:55] <elfy> SuperLag: not heard or seen anything - works ok with nouveau and nvidia-current for me - or did 
[13:55] <SuperLag> excellent
[13:56] <SuperLag> I have a bunch of 3rd-party stuff too, but none of it is crucial for $DAYJOB, and I can wait for it. :)
[13:57] <elfy> regardless of that I would check that it works for you with the live session first - I'd not install a beta if it was my only machine 
[14:01] <SuperLag> I've had it running in VM for quite awhile. It's great.
[14:03] <ochosi> elfy: i'd report it against xfce4-session, it should pull in both
[14:03] <ochosi> apart from the logout issue i dont see any real blockers ahead so far
[14:03] <elfy> okey doke
[14:03] <elfy> well I don't like the indicator-sound issue
[14:04] <elfy> nor the not being able to logout properly issue
[14:06] <ochosi> elfy: yeah, i agree, we should keep a list of these issues somewhere
[14:07] <SuperLag> haha
[14:08] <SuperLag> I just noticed a cosmetic bug in the updater.
[14:08] <elfy> ochosi: agreed - that is somewhere tangible - my head, your head, knome's head shouldn't count 
[14:08] <SuperLag> it says it's upgrading to 13.04
[14:08] <SuperLag> rather than 13.10
[14:08] <ochosi> elfy: i also tend to forget about indicator-sound because i have the gtk3 indicators installed...
[14:08] <brainwash> SuperLag: noticed that too
[14:09] <elfy> I'm in the less than useful position of being half way between both at the moment ochosi 
[14:10] <ochosi> elfy: yeah, no worries, indicator-sound should be fixed anyway
[14:11] <elfy> indeed - but at the moment it's in my list :)
[14:12] <SuperLag> *sigh*
[14:12] <elfy> SuperLag: is that bug if you upgrade via net - the 13.10 iso I am upgrading with refers to 13.10
[14:12] <SuperLag> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-09062013-071137am.php
[14:12] <elfy> I'd be looking at ppa's and 3rd party sources first
[14:14] <elfy> ochosi: that's a point - did you upgrade to 13.10 with an iso or via net?
[14:14] <SuperLag> One of the previous steps said it disabled 3rd-party sources.
[14:14] <SuperLag> So I figured that would do the trick. Should I actually remove those packages? or just disable the PPA's?
[14:14] <elfy> SuperLag: is the 13.04 completely up to date? 
[14:14] <SuperLag> it is
[14:15] <elfy> I'd boot that - make sure it is up to date and disable them there - then try the upgrade
[14:15] <elfy> just don't update it ... 
[14:24] <elfy> ochosi: mine rebooted ... 
[14:31] <elfy> might have zsynced the image since then redoing it ... 
[14:42] <elfy> knome: http://pad.ubuntu.com/duYDbHFs7s
[15:00] <ochosi> elfy: i upgraded via net
[15:00] <elfy> ok - I'll do the same then
[15:01] <elfy> just reinstalling 13.04 atm
[15:02] <ochosi> hm, USC really has become more responsive
[15:04] <elfy> I never notice I'm afraid
[15:05] <brainwash> pulls way too many dependencies, so I got rid of it
[15:05] <ochosi> i usually only notice by accident
[15:05] <elfy> lol
[15:05] <ochosi> hm, stupid skype is still unthemed and doesn't use its indicator for some reason
[15:05] <brainwash> how does the application menu hide Thunar.desktop and xfce4-terminal.desktop?
[15:05] <ochosi> some *** in my .config prevents it it seems
[15:06] <ochosi> brainwash: it doesn't here, both in accessories
[15:06] <ochosi> hmpf, USC still pops up stupid debconf windows
[15:07] <brainwash> ochosi: the real ones or just the generic exo ones?
[15:11] <ochosi> generic ones
[15:12] <elfy> ochosi: not sure this is going to be worth it - running the upgrade via net - it's got systemd-shim in the list of packages to install 
[15:12] <elfy> but I can do it if you feel it's can help
[15:12] <ochosi> hm nah, not sure then
[15:12] <ochosi> i'm not sure what went wrong here and why the package wasn't installed
[15:12] <ochosi> maybe it wasn't on the mirror i used
[15:13] <elfy> possible - also - when did you do the upgrade?
[15:14] <brainwash> or it's caused by customizing the 13.04 installation (removing/installing packages)
[15:14] <elfy> yep
[15:14] <elfy> hard to tell 
[15:14] <elfy> at least we know what is going on though
[15:15] <brainwash> I usually tend to remove many packages and only use what I really need 
[15:15] <elfy> mmm
[15:16] <brainwash> but it's still a dependency issue, isn't it?
[15:17] <brainwash> and upgrading normally pulls the xubuntu meta package
[15:19] <ochosi> elfy: i upgraded two or three days ago
[15:19] <brainwash> me just yesterday
[15:19] <elfy> ok
[15:20] <elfy> well I get lost looking at dependencies - -shim appears to be a dependant of -services which is a dependant of xfce4-powermanager
[15:20] <brainwash> ochosi: did you add the gnome 3.8 ppa?
[15:20] <ochosi> meh, my vbox+extensions doesn't recognize any usb devices, how is that possible... :'(
[15:21] <ochosi> brainwash: nope, should i?
[15:21] <brainwash> ochosi: no, was just thinking that having gnome 3.8 packages could have somehow prevent systemd-shim from being installed
[15:22] <ochosi> could've just as well been some other ppa
[15:23] <brainwash> yea, but I would only associate gnome with systemd
[15:23] <ochosi> i guess ubuntu is one of the few distros that i wouldn't associate with systemd, all the others will get it in the long run i guess
[15:25] <brainwash> hopefully one of you will create a bug report addressing this issue, or isn't it worth it? well, it should be :)
[15:26] <elfy> brainwash: well it would be better done on with ubuntu-bug with a machine that has the issue - like your's :)
[15:27] <elfy> then someone can confirm it - like ochosi who's got a fixed machine - I've not found the bug - and this laptop try is going to install it
[15:28] <brainwash> elfy: can you remove systemd-shim?
[15:28] <brainwash> removing it should be possible either I think
[15:29] <elfy> why would I do that?
[15:30] <brainwash> if you can remove it easily wihtout removing other (important) packages, then something is wrong
[15:30] <brainwash> because apparently xfce4-session requires it to restart/shutdown
[15:30] <elfy> it's not saying anything other than do I want to :)
[15:31] <brainwash> simulate it then :P
[15:32] <brainwash> or are my thoughts plain wrong?
[15:32] <elfy> well - what is the problem with you reporting the bug?
[15:32] <brainwash> technically I'm not affected anymore after installing the package manually
[15:33] <brainwash> so the question is: can you remove the package manually or will other packages get removed also?
[15:34] <elfy> nothing else gets removed
[15:34] <elfy> so something is not right somewhere
[15:34] <brainwash> well, this is an issue
[15:34] <brainwash> missing dependency
[15:34] <elfy> yep - but as I said ^^ I'm lost looking for it at the moment
[15:36] <brainwash> guess I file a bug report later, could be always marked as duplicate if another one already exists :)
[15:39] <elfy> I'll do it now 
[15:41] <elfy> it's definitely the cause :)
[15:45] <elfy> ochosi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-session/+bug/1221809
[15:53] <elfy> ochosi: I subscribed the xubuntu bug team to that now as well 
[15:59] <ochosi> elfy: thanks!
[16:01] <elfy> nothing more I can do - shall put the kettle on now 
[16:22] <elfy> knome: I'm doing a general post to -dev m/l - you got any problem with me including the Upgrade tests in it?
[16:23] <brainwash> elfy: thanks for reporting :) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-session/+bug/1221809
[16:24] <elfy> brainwash: welcome 
[16:37] <SuperLag> elfy: 13.10 is nice. nvidia-current worked fine, as well
[16:38] <elfy> I'm sure those who've worked towards it will be pleased to hear that :)
[16:39] <ochosi> most def
[16:39] <ochosi> elfy: well you did too!
[16:39] <ochosi> this was one of the most active testing cycles i've seen so far
[16:39] <elfy> well I do that :)
[16:40] <elfy> and thanks - I'm glad it'd been worth it :)
[16:42] <SuperLag> I forgot to make backups of some of my .desktop files. Is there a way to generate a shell of a .desktop file, something with the bare minimum of required lines?
[16:43] <SuperLag> I should get in the habit of putting those in ~/.local/share/applications/ rather than /usr/share/applications/... as that would have helped me to avoid all that mess :)
[18:15] <pleia2> knome: btw, rt@ubuntu.com hates my lyz@ubuntu.com email address, so if there are updates to the static ticket I need to act on, please let me know :)
[19:25] <elfy> sigh at sending mails instead of saving them :|
[19:26] <lderan> :(
[19:27] <elfy> pleia2: next time someone does anything with the website - there's a couple of oddities on http://xubuntu.org/contribute/  "and participate discussions" and "Be in contact"
[19:27] <Unit193> ochosi: Did you mess with indicators in raring?  Purge systemd-services maybe?
[19:30] <pleia2> elfy: can you submit a bug with the edits required? https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website
[19:30] <pleia2> elfy: we don't really have a schedule for updates (it's just wordpress, no 'releases' of pages really), but I try to go through bug reports somewhat regularly
[19:31] <elfy> pleia2: yep of course I can - didn't know it was there :)
[19:32] <elfy> oh - I thought I had rights to the wordpress thingy 
[19:32] <elfy> though it was a long time ago I last looked at it
[19:33] <pleia2> elfy: you should be able to log in to wordpress, but probably not edit pages and things, probably just to review posts
[19:33] <Unit193> And draft, but not publish.
[19:33] <elfy> can't remember - nor remember even how to :p
[19:37] <elfy> bug done
[20:47] <ochosi> Unit193: no, there was no messing with systemd in raring
[23:25] <ochosi> hey andrzejr 
[23:26] <andrzejr> hi
[23:26] <ochosi> the latest version works great wrt positioning
[23:26] <ochosi> i started testing/using it today
[23:28] <andrzejr> good
[23:28] <ochosi> to me it feels kinda ready
[23:29] <ochosi> not much left to do
[23:29] <andrzejr> scroll events still don't go through, though
[23:29] <ochosi> unless maybe fix the scroll-event
[23:29] <ochosi> ah
[23:29] <ochosi> yeah :)
[23:29] <ochosi> i sent an email to nick about a release of libxfce4ui a few minutes ago
[23:29] <ochosi> we need it for the next parole-release as well
[23:30] <ochosi> after the scroll-event, the next big thing would be merging the wrapper3 branch to master...
[23:30] <andrzejr> they get all the way through to WrapperPlug so the problem is somewhere in the plugin or libxfce4-panel
[23:30] <ochosi> weird, but those signals haven't significantly changed with gtk3 afaik
[23:31] <andrzejr> I don't know what's wrong yet
[23:32] <andrzejr> re: transparency issue in the panel - panel in 13.10 is transparent (gtk2 part) in 13.04 is not. maybe something was fixed in gtk 3.8
[23:33] <ochosi> hm, i'm on 13.10 and it doesn't work for me
[23:33] <ochosi> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-09072013-013343am.php
[23:33] <andrzejr> what part? indicator plugin?
[23:33] <ochosi> yup
[23:34] <andrzejr> that's because of a workaround we've added to the panel (wrapper)
[23:34] <andrzejr> otherwise gtk3 plugins were completely transparent.
[23:34] <ochosi> odd
[23:34] <ochosi> so how is it working for you then?
[23:35] <ochosi> did you push out the workaround?
[23:35] <Unit193> My panel on raring is transparent. :D
[23:35] <ochosi> Unit193: panel transparency isn't the issue, it's gtk2 + gtk3 in a panel + transparency for both
[23:36] <andrzejr> ochosi, did you fix padding in greybird?
[23:37] <ochosi> well it's the same as trayicons now
[23:37] <ochosi> so for me that's fixed
[23:38] <ochosi> but better thest it for yourself and tell me whether you're ok with it
[23:38] <andrzejr> just pulled, still zero padding
[23:38] <ochosi> you mean space between the indicators?
[23:39] <andrzejr> button sizes are same as icon sizes (22px), which makes the layout very tight
[23:39] <ochosi> (i didn't add that because it looks weird with the trayicons not having any padding in-between)
[23:40] <andrzejr> systray has its own issues but all other plugins have some padding.
[23:41] <andrzejr> indicator plugin also used to have some previously
[23:41] <ochosi> can you show me a screenshot plz?
[23:43] <andrzejr> greybird in 13.10 looks ok, btw. only git version has this packing issue
[23:43] <ochosi> that's odd, cause the 13.10 version doesn't have any special theming applied to the indicators
[23:43] <ochosi> so the bg-color should also be wrong
[23:45] <andrzejr> bg-color is wrong but spacing is fine
[23:47] <ochosi> now i only added a check to set the border-radius to 0 (no roundness) and the fg-color to white
[23:47] <ochosi> and personally i don't see a difference
[23:49] <andrzejr> http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/indicator-greybird-git.php
[23:51] <andrzejr> what's not visible on screenshot is that the hover highlight is exactly the same size as some of the icons (clementine, multiload) or labels.
[23:52] <ochosi> so you're comparing launchers to the indicators?
[23:52] <andrzejr> on the left are other plugins (places and launchers)
[23:52] <andrzejr> just as an example of a correct padding.
[23:53] <andrzejr> look at (no) space between the clock and the clementine indicator, or the multiload one.
[23:54] <ochosi> are those rows?
[23:54] <ochosi> tbh i'm a bit confused on what starts and ends where in this screenshot
[23:54] <ochosi> fwiw, this is how it looks for me: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-09072013-015332am.php
[23:54] <ochosi> (2 trayicons, 3 indicators, 2 launchers)
[23:55] <andrzejr> yes, these are rows but with a single row there is still zero padding.
[23:55] <ochosi> no extra padding between the launchers, they're really next to each other
[23:56] <andrzejr> strange, that's not what I see.
[23:56] <andrzejr> what gtk version?
[23:56] <ochosi> 3.8
[23:57] <ochosi> if i add back the borders, the icons get clipped in a 24px panel
[23:59] <ochosi> even if i comment out everything, except the colorchanges, i never get a result close to what you have with your launchers in gtk2
[23:59] <ochosi> are you sure you didn't add spacers in between? :)