[00:14] <TeamRocket1233c> A little curious what'll be happening with you guys and Mir come 14.04.
[00:15] <Unit193> TeamRocket1233c: Nothing set in stone, we may look at it again for 14.04 but what we want is something very stable and compatible.
[00:25] <TeamRocket1233c> So most likely Wayland.
[00:27] <Unit193> TeamRocket1233c: Xfce has no plans right now to support Mir or Wayland, so not likely for 14.04.
[00:31] <TeamRocket1233c> So you're just going to stick to X until it dies, basically.
[00:32] <Unit193> First Xfce has to make it to GTK3 which it's in the process of, then to (most likely) wayland.
[00:33] <TeamRocket1233c> That's cool.
[00:33] <Unit193> Note, I'm not an Xfce dev.
[00:33] <TeamRocket1233c> Just curious what'll happen to the derivatives with the main distro supposedly switching toMir.
[00:33] <TeamRocket1233c> *to Mir.
[00:35] <Unit193> Kubuntu goes to Wayland, Ubuntu Gnome goes to wayland, Lubuntu (LXDE-qt) goes to wayland in some time, Edubuntu is just Ubuntu with learning tools, Studio is also Xfce.  Who knows though.   I think you'll get the same response re: Xfce in #xfce
[00:36] <TeamRocket1233c> And this is 14.04 so..
[00:36] <TeamRocket1233c> I know 13.10 can still have X no prob, heck, I set up X and MATE on a 13.10 minimal install.
[00:37] <TeamRocket1233c> In Vbox, but still.
[00:37] <Unit193> If you'd like, we can carry on over in #xubuntu-offtopic.  xMir still uses X itself.
[01:32] <bbtech> I can't seem to remount a partition with different options. I'm trying to turn on acl. Can someone please take a look and tell me what I'm missing? http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=PQc6vfn2
[01:36] <bbtech> I just made the mount command verbose and it looks like it is reading the correct settings... http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=PQc6vfn2
[01:36]  * bbtech is confused
[01:58] <nerdtron> bbtech, mount -o remount acl
[01:59] <bbtech> nerdtron: I tried that as well. I've concluded that I don't have to specify acl in the mount options. It must be built in by default or something.
[02:00] <nerdtron> put acl first before default
[02:00] <bbtech> nerdtron: yeah, tried that too
[02:01] <bbtech> lol, we think alike
[02:01] <nerdtron> or remove default and define the mount options explicitly like acl, rw, relatime, errors=remount-ro
[02:01] <bbtech> yeah, I simplified it down to rw,acl and still couldn't get it to show up
[02:02] <bbtech> tried rebooting too
[02:02] <nerdtron> waht version of ubuntu?
[02:02] <bbtech> but I'm able to use acl to protect files so it must be on by default
[02:02] <bbtech> debian 7
[02:02] <nerdtron> !debian
[02:10] <bbtech> yeah, I've just confirmed that my acl rules are working so acl must be automatically on without the need for the acl option on the partition.
[02:10] <bbtech> Can't find anything in the man or online stating that though
[03:13] <xubuntu636> So... I guess the biggest question I have is this: what would I miss switching from Mint 15 Cinnamon to Xubuntu.
[03:15] <Unit193> I'd give a guess the biggest thing you'd lose is Cinnamon, because you'd be using Xfce.
[03:15] <Unit193> What are you using in Mint?
[03:20] <xubuntu456> Hello... I was the one who just asked about the Linux Mint 15 Cinnamon to Xubuntu change. I didn't get any answers... could anyone who replied please reply back again? Thanks.
[03:21] <Unit193> [23:15:08] < Unit193> I'd give a guess the biggest thing you'd lose is Cinnamon, because you'd be using Xfce. [23:15:25] < Unit193> What are you using in Mint?
[03:21] <Unit193> I don't use mint, so trying to compare the two doesn't work with me. :P
[03:23] <xubuntu456> Basically... I'll be using this laptop (HP/Compaq 8710P) as a Plex Media Server and MAYBE as a web browser on occasion.\
[03:25] <xubuntu456> I was wanting an OS that uses low resources because of Plex constantly running. The misses loves using Plex all the time and I just don't have the time to set up additional stuff in Xubuntu unless it is worth the low resource usage.
[03:28] <Unit193> Alright, well I can say firefox works fine for me, and others use chrom(e,ium), as well as other browsers.  Xubuntu doesn't market itself as "lightweight", though it's not heavy on resource usage.
[03:31] <xubuntu456> Annnd... This is why I hate Linux. None of you Linuxfags understand why I'm saying. I know it isn't lightweight but it is lightweight considering the BEST OS (which is Windows 7 FTW) but since none of you fags can comprehend a Plex Server guess i'll be sticking with Windows. Sorry Windows didn't lose my business to Linux on this day.
[03:36] <xubuntu456> Thankyou linusfuckers for proving my point.
[03:39] <Unit193> !language | xubuntu456
[03:39] <xubuntu456> Unit193 you're an idiot.
[03:43] <xubuntu456> UNIT193 PROVES ALL OF IT. YOU'RE ALL A PAWN. GNU IS A GAME! YOU'RE MAKING THEM PROFIT AS THEY ARE GIVING YOU SHITTY SOFTWARE! BE WARNED!!! IF YOU WANT GOOD SOFTWARE TURN TO MICROSOFT OR APPLE!! YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED. PLEASE READ AND UNDERSTAND THIS MESSAGE
[03:47] <xubuntu973> i'm glad that faggotry is over, right?
[04:35] <SuperLag> Is Xubuntu at 13.10b1 as well, or still just the mainline Ubuntu?
[04:36] <Unit193> SuperLag: Xubuntu as well.
[04:36] <Unit193> http://xubuntu.org/news/saucy-salamander-b1/
[04:37] <SuperLag> Unit193: you running the beta?
[04:37] <Unit193> Nope, only in VM.
[04:37] <SuperLag> me too, so far... I'm tempted :)
[04:39] <SuperLag> I have plenty of resources for the VM... part of me says just play it safe. Then there's the, "Oh, well it's finally beta. Can't be *that* problematic, right?" :)
[04:40] <Unit193> While I upgrade, so it's a one shot deal. :P
[04:40] <SuperLag> Unit193: you'll upgrade your host, rather than clean install?
[04:40] <SuperLag> is that what you mean?
[04:40] <Unit193> SuperLag: Yes, much more effort to reinstall, reconfigure, repatch, rebreak. :P
[04:41] <SuperLag> Unit193: you've not encountered issues with upgrades?
[04:41] <SuperLag> s/issues/major issues :)
[04:41] <Unit193> Sure I have, a few, but all fixable.  This install is only from Xubuntu 11.04 Natty Narwhal - Beta (20110413.2)  though.
[04:42] <SuperLag> wow
[04:42] <SuperLag> so a few upgrades, then
[04:42] <Unit193> Yep, I wouldn't say any without kinks, but all workable.  One even seemed done in the middle, rebooted half configured.  Still fixable.
[04:43] <SuperLag> I'm trying to decide, for my VMs, if I should stick with open-vm-*, or go with the stock VMware Tools, since this is a new version of VMware Workstation (I just upgraded from 9 to 10)
[04:44] <SuperLag> The other thing I'm trying to decide... is if for 13.10, I want to finally go Unity or not. I haven't much liked it, but I've been using the main Ubuntu for VMs, and it's waaaaaay more polished than it used to be.
[04:44] <SuperLag> and it's more tweakable than I thought
[04:45] <Unit193> Well, I'm biased, but if you want, you can try it and see if it fits your style better.
[04:48] <SuperLag> Unit193: yeah, I really like the lean of XFCE
[04:57] <Monkeytoe> hello
[04:57] <Unit193> !hi
[04:58] <Monkeytoe> I have xubuntu installed on /dev/sdb and windows 8 installed on /dev/sdc. Bios loads the xubuntu drive by default. The xubuntu install does not have an option to boot from the windows drive. How would I go about adding that into grub? I am using xubuntu 13.04
[04:59] <Unit193> Uhhh?  Windows 8?  Is this UEFI with 64bit Xubuntu?  Normally I'd say os-prober, but EFI changes things.
[05:00] <xubuntu1310> So I hopped on the 13.10 beta and... well since xfce hasn't changed much there doesn't seem to be anything broken... good for light desktop use?
[05:01] <SuperLag> well, the stable version is good for heavy desktop use... and I push it to the max... so I'm going to go out on a limb and say the beta is more than likely just fine
[05:01] <xubuntu1310> It doesn't look like much was changed... which emans not much was broken, and hardly anything in the first place.
[05:02] <SuperLag> I have a fairly beefy machine though, too... so maybe what I say should be taken with lots of salt. :)
[05:02] <SuperLag> 32GB of RAM helps a LOT. :)
[05:02] <Unit193> xubuntu1310: I'm just going to add "Not Xubuntu's fault if it breaks" ;)
[05:02] <xubuntu1310> I made my computer today, FX-6300 and 15GB DDR3-1600 CAS 8 whoooo
[05:02] <SuperLag> nice
[05:02] <Unit193> Some Xfce 4.11 stuff was added though.
[05:06] <xubuntu1310> Ahha, i found a problem... sound works perfectly but I can't change the volume, my motherboard uses an uncommon high-end-ish via chip instead of the typical realtek, oh well, alsamixer works.
[05:07] <Unit193> And pavucontrol doesn't?  Or sound indicator?  Sound indicator is slightly broken.
[05:08] <xubuntu1310> ys sound indicator is blank, but sound works fine, i'm using alsa mixer in the meantime
[05:09] <xubuntu1310> Oh my god I forgot i'm running compo on my cpu, no gpu drivers in yet... hardly noticed because of CPU being so quick(3x2-core amd at 4.2GHz), heh, software renderer is multi-threaded
[05:13] <xubuntu1310> My motherboard(amd 970) is weird, with one bios setting usb2 does not work but usb3/2 works, with another usb2 works and usb3, but usb3 does not work with 2 stuff... kernel bugs
[05:17] <SuperLag> AMD... they still exist? People still use their CPUs? :D
[05:17] <TheSheep> SuperLag: --> #xubuntu-offtopic
[05:19] <SuperLag> TheSheep: *sigh*... no sense of humor? :)
[05:19] <SuperLag> Unit193: what's broken about sound indicator?
[05:20] <Unit193> At the very least, can't scroll over the icon anymore, I'm not sure what else as I was distracted when they were talking about it.
[07:20] <xubuntu322> xubuntu 12.04 runs perfectly from LiveCD but won't install (I'm trying to replace Bodhi Linux). Any ideas what's wrong?
[07:24] <TheSheep> xubuntu322: we could be guessing all day, what's the error message?
[07:26] <xubuntu322> I get a whole page of messages: the screen goes black, covered with white text, and the machine freezes completely. There is something about modprobe in there, that's the only bit I recognise. What should I be looking for?
[07:26] <Guest47652> Good morning. I need to have more space in /boot for a update. apt-get clean had no effect.
[07:27] <TheSheep> Guest47652: uninstall the old kernels
[07:27] <xubuntu322> uninstall Bodhi Linux you mean?
[07:27] <Guest47652> Thank You!
[07:28] <TheSheep> xubuntu322: no, that was to Guest47652
[07:28] <TheSheep> xubuntu322: I don't really know about you, maybe you could try googling those messages
[07:28] <xubuntu322> sorry, I mis-read your message
[07:29] <xubuntu322> ok thanks for trying to help. I have googled what I could understand but haven't found anything so far.
[07:33] <pmjdebruijn> xubuntu322: can you post a screenshot (maybe with a phone
[07:33] <pmjdebruijn> )of the messages you see?
[07:49] <angelXubuntu> so.... anyone there?
[08:02] <nerdtron> yo!
[08:21] <Monkeytoe> how can I change a blank disk from GPT to MBR ?
[08:22] <Monkeytoe> I am not worried about data retention
[08:22] <pmjdebruijn> I'm guessing using gparted would be the easiest
[08:23] <pmjdebruijn> or just use cfdisk :)
[08:24] <pmjdebruijn> basically if it's GPT, it's technically not fully blank :D
[08:24] <Monkeytoe> so basically just open up gparted, select the drive, then create a new partition table for msdos?
[08:24] <pmjdebruijn> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX bs=1M count=1 # will wipe the first megabyte of data on the disk
[08:25] <pmjdebruijn> sfdisk -R /dev/sdX # will re-read the partition table (which isn't present yet, but it forces the kernel to discard the old partition table it might have cached)
[08:25] <pmjdebruijn> cfdisk /dev/sdX # will give you a text based ui to create new partition
[08:25] <pmjdebruijn> but gparted i graphical
[08:27] <Monkeytoe> sweet
[08:27] <Monkeytoe> it worked :)
[08:27] <Monkeytoe> thank you
[09:54] <kpel> Hi. I installed some kernel security updates in my Precise box this morning and after rebooting the world went slackware. No graphical login, startx wasn't working.
[09:54] <kpel> Did you get a similar problem?
[09:57] <pmjdebruijn> did you by any chacne install the 3.8.0 kernel
[09:57] <pmjdebruijn> if so, you need to update X11 accordingly IIRC
[10:02] <kpel> pmjdebruijn: I'll check in a minute, I kept the default kernel afaik and then let it update itself.
[10:02] <kpel> pmjdebruijn: using kernel 3.2.0-53
[10:03] <kpel> but if I try startx I get a version mismatch message about the nvidia modules. This is worrying :(
[10:04] <kpel> I installed the nvidia-current-updates-dev package and X says the kernel module version is 304.88 but the nvidia driver component is version 319.32
[10:04] <pmjdebruijn> oooh... nvidia :)
[10:05] <kpel> shouldn't the dependency be resolved automagically by apt?
[10:06] <kpel> never had a problem with nvidia and xubuntu for years. apt was clever enough to keep everything up to date. Until now.
[10:06] <pmjdebruijn> possibly, I have no experience with that, I avoid nvidia hardware, stick around, maybe someone else knows / has more experience in this area
[10:06] <kpel> pmjdebruijn: any idea how to update X11 the right way(tm)?
[10:07] <kpel> pmjdebruijn: ok, will do. Thanks for your time.
[10:09] <pmjdebruijn> no, disregard my initial comment, that only applies for 3.5.x and 3.8.x
[10:09] <kpel> ok
[10:09] <kpel> found some more recent nvidia modules using apt-cache search. Let's see...
[10:12] <kpel> nope. didn't work.
[10:18] <kpel> success!! had to remove all the older nvidia packages and keep nvidia-319*
[10:18] <pmjdebruijn> ah
[10:19] <kpel> but this is still a bug. the nvidia-319 packages should be a required dependency because of the kernel update. not sure if canonical found out.
[10:19] <pmjdebruijn> right
[10:20] <pmjdebruijn> kpel: I'd recommend to file a bug report descripting the issue with the package versions on launchpad
[10:21] <kpel> pmjdebruijn: Ok, will do. Although aving worked for a big company in the past I think I know what will happen to the report ;)
[10:21] <pmjdebruijn> maybe
[10:21] <pmjdebruijn> over the past years I've had mixed experiences
[10:22] <pmjdebruijn> things do actually get fixed sometimes
[10:22] <pmjdebruijn> filing a good bug report is essential though
[10:22] <pmjdebruijn> but I agree, filing a bug doesn't guarantee a fix :)
[10:24] <kpel> pmjdebruijn: yes, we can only hope :)
[10:28] <Axylus> after changing my video resolution, I was forcefully logged out, and when I try to log back in, the screen flashes black and I'm then returned to the log-in window. I haven't used Linux for several years so I'm not sure what to do. is there a log file I can check?
[10:35] <cfhowlett> Axylus, I'd suggest you login to the command line for access
[10:46] <Axylus> cfhowlett, do you know how I can change my screen resolution from the console?
[10:47] <cfhowlett> Axylus, not offhand.
[10:48] <cfhowlett> Axylus, I would assume the config file is your /home folder - probably a .hidden file.  Consider logging in via command line and searching by date for a recently modified file.
[10:49] <Axylus> I've found it: ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/displays.xml :)
[10:50] <cfhowlett> Axylus, my take?  rename/remove it, log back it and it should reset
[10:52] <Axylus> yay, I'm back in
[10:53] <Axylus> it seems that xfce4-panel was crashing upon logging in :|
[10:54] <cfhowlett> Axylus, stuff happens.  glad you back in action.
[12:26] <SuperLag> Anyone here updated to beta 1 yet? Even more specific... anyone here with an Nvidia display adapter updated to b1? How is it going, thus far?
[12:27] <cfhowlett> !ubuntu+1|SuperLag,
[12:30] <SuperLag> cfhowlett: people in here last night were talking about it
[12:31] <brainwash> there's also #xubuntu-devel
[12:36] <cfhowlett> SuperLag, well, as there are dedicated channels, you'll probably find it more fruitful to attempt the conversation there.
[12:36] <SuperLag> thanks man
[14:54] <Impossible_> hello everyone
[14:54] <Impossible_> ive' just installed xubuntu, why is the terminal called. Terminal emulator
[14:55] <GridCube> Impossible_, because its an emulator of a true terminal, the ones you can access by pressing ctrl-alf-F1 to F6
[14:55] <GridCube> and f7 contains the graphical instance
[14:57] <Sysi> actually tty:s are virtual too
[14:57] <GridCube> yeah
[14:57] <GridCube> i never trully understood that
[14:58] <Sysi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_terminal
[14:58] <Impossible_> oh alright
[14:58] <elfy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_emulator
[14:58] <Impossible_> so its a regular terminal
[14:58] <Impossible_> lol
[14:58] <Hund> How do I add keyboard shortcuts for window management? Like moving a window to my second screen etc?
[14:59] <Impossible_> does anyone else think its xubuntu is like a bit more snappy
[14:59] <Impossible_> thank like lubuntu
[14:59] <Sysi> Hund: see window manager settings
[15:00] <cub> Impossible_: run on the same machine I haven't noticed any major difference in speed between lubuntu and xubuntu
[15:01] <Impossible_> cub: alright :) do you know how to switch the close min and max to the left side
[15:01] <Sysi> Impossible_: see window manager settings
[15:02] <cub> Impossible_: What Sysi said ^ ;)
[15:02] <Impossible_> oh THANKS
[15:35] <Impossible> why cant i open my external harddrive i get an error
[15:35] <Impossible> Failed to open directory "Seagate Expansion Drive"
[15:35] <Impossible> Error when getting information for file '/media/ermac/Seagate Expansion Drive/logotwitproj.psd': Input/output error
[15:35] <Impossible> :(
[15:48] <Impossible> someone told me to plug my harddrive to a Windows PC and run a chkdsk on it so that the data is known to be healty,,, is someway i can do the same check in xubuntu?
[16:04] <Axylus> Impossible, do you want to check the disc that Xubuntu is running from, or check another disc that has NTFS (Windows) partitions on it?
[16:05] <Axylus> oh, I've just seen your previous messages. :) hmm…
[16:06] <Sysi> there's fsck
[16:06] <Sysi> !fsck
[16:08] <Axylus> Impossible, what file system is the affected partition on the disc formatted with?
[16:21] <Impossible> its ntfs
[16:21] <Impossible> i think its the os
[16:21] <Impossible> not supporting it
[16:21] <Axylus> all major Linux distributions come with NTFS support
[16:22] <Impossible> not sure why
[16:22] <Impossible> should i mount in terminal
[16:23] <Axylus> you can use ntfsprogs's ntfsck to check the volume for errors, but I don't know whether it can fix them. additionally, if the drive has a mechanical fault, then running any kind of diagnostic software will exacerbate it
[16:24] <Axylus> is it new?
[16:24] <Impossible> okay
[16:24] <Impossible> no
[16:24] <Impossible> it was working on lubuntu
[16:25] <Axylus> check dmesg for errors regarding reading the disc
[16:26] <Axylus> if there are any, then the disc probably has a mechanical fault and you'll need to back-up its contents as soon as possible
[16:43] <lnostdal> hi guys, i'm playing around with 13.10 ..   it's ok, but quirky when logging out or shutting down ..   anyone else noticing this? ..     i know it's not released or stable yet – just wondering
[16:45] <elfy> quirky? what do you mean exactly - and this might be better in another channel
[16:48] <elfy> #xubuntu-devel might be better
[16:48] <lnostdal> it doesn't actually restart, shutdown or suspend ..    i end up at the screensaver
[16:49] <brainwash> lnostdal: you mean the lightdm greeter (login screen)?
[16:49] <lnostdal> brainwash: nope, the xscreensaver
[16:50] <brainwash> restart/shutdown should not trigger xscreensaver
[16:50] <brainwash> so head over to #xubuntu-devel
[16:50] <brainwash> :)
[16:52] <lnostdal> nah, it's ok; just wondering ..    i should probably try this from the 13.10 live CD instead of on a system that's been around for a while (many releases) anyway  .... :)
[16:53] <lnostdal> i'll try the beta that's out now actually
[18:26] <xubuntu337> alguem por ai?
[18:26] <xubuntu337> portugues br?
[18:28] <ui_> !pt | xubuntu337
[19:14] <frowni> is xubuntu a minimalist version of ubuntu?
[19:15] <ui_> xubuntu is ubuntu without Unity, with XFCE and some default configuration (panel layout, settings, etc.)
[19:16] <ui_> !xubuntu
[19:17] <ChogyDan> frowni: lubuntu is more minimalist if that's what you are looking for, AFAIK
[19:17] <frowni> ok thanx :)
[20:08] <sogeking99> Hey guys I just installed xbuntu and I have a really weird problem where the screen is not...aligned right. it's like split 1/3 of the screen on the left is actually what should be the right side.
[20:08] <sogeking99> hard to explain
[20:09] <sogeking99> and if i scroll the cursor off the screen to the right, it comes back on the other side
[20:10] <ChogyDan> sogeking99: maybe your monitor is misconfigured?  with the wrong resolution
[20:11] <sogeking99> ChogyDan: it's a 1080p laptop. where is the option to change resolution?
[20:12] <ChogyDan> sogeking99: try settings > display
[20:14] <ChogyDan> im still new to xubuntu, so other than that, I won't know, sorry
[20:14] <sogeking99> hmm it is set to 1080p.
[20:15] <ChogyDan> sogeking99: maybe it is a workspace setting
[20:17] <sogeking99> it's really strange
[21:46] <vabi> Hello is there any way to force mailwatcher to automatically stop being so blu after clicking on it?
[21:48] <Taylr0x> Hi all. Currently running my laptop using my TV (via HDMI cable) as my display output however the audio appears to be coming from the laptop still. Anyone got any idea on how to get the audio to output via the TV using the HDMI cable?
[22:01] <Monkeytoe> is it possible to monitor line in with my speakers?
[22:01] <Monkeytoe> so any sound going to line in is always played through the speakers?
[22:20] <Viva_Nero> My xubuntu quantal used to show the xubuntu splash on start up and shut down
[22:20] <Viva_Nero> now it displays a black screen with some text
[22:21] <Viva_Nero> what might've cause this change, and how can I restore the splash screen?