| PewPewPew | Hey guys | 00:19 |
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| PewPewPew | Since my off provblem of all ppas working being the backports, beta pbackports experimtal and such workingt besides those ones, and no one giving an anseer, 9i decided to reinstall | 00:20 |
| Gsport | go go go blue systems | 00:21 |
| PewPewPew | but i noticed the install bug with dual/multi monitors still happens | 00:21 |
| PewPewPew | where the panels get missed up and the only thing on the onael if you are loucky is activits | 00:22 |
| PewPewPew | so you have to rm 0-rf !!/.kde and go | 00:22 |
| PewPewPew | Anjy fix on a featuyre innnstall cd? its nnaoying plusd i happens on firswt boot | 00:22 |
| PewPewPew | major typos sorry | 00:23 |
| PewPewPew | but yohyu got the point | 00:23 |
| amichair | will kde #324470 hotfix be released quickly (as some distros have done), or only with 4.11.2? | 01:39 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 324470 in widget-taskbar "Minimize/maximize by clicking taskbar entries requires double click." [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=324470 | 01:39 |
| JMichaelX | man i've been having a nighmarish evening with k/ubuntu.... | 01:50 |
| JMichaelX | i installed 12.04 on a dell vostro 1000, for a friend, but there was no audio. then i installed 13.04, but no audio. finally got audio working, by adding a line to alsa-base.conf, but no audio from the headphones jack, at all | 01:53 |
| JMichaelX | i also have an inspiron 1501, and thought, oh well, i'll give that to my friend instead. 13.04 live cd worked fine. installed to HD, rebooted.... kernel crash. | 01:55 |
| JMichaelX | so then, i installed 12.04. live CD worked, installed to HD. rebooted, all still worked (except wifi). did tons of updates, rebooted.... kernel crash at bottup, every time | 01:56 |
| JMichaelX | bootup* | 01:56 |
| JMichaelX | basically, no combination works | 01:59 |
| JMichaelX | if the think didn't lock up, maybe i could troubleshoot | 02:01 |
| JMichaelX | it appears that issues with the broadcom wifi driver are related to these kernel lockups... anyone know what the deal is? | 02:09 |
| QwertyKb | Are packages for Plasma Active 4 available? | 04:51 |
| crystalline | Is Kubuntu the #2 ubuntu distro? (ignoring mint) | 05:32 |
| valorie | mint isn't an ubuntu distro, strictly speaking | 05:40 |
| valorie | crystalline: do you mean historically? by popularity, or what? | 05:40 |
| crystalline | valorie: number of users, or more importantly, the amount of developer manpower | 05:41 |
| valorie | ah | 05:41 |
| valorie | I would guess we have the largest volunteer devel team | 05:41 |
| valorie | from what I've seen at UDS, in lists, in IRC, etc. | 05:42 |
| crystalline | I remember seeing kde performing great in games with compo off... is it better on now? | 05:42 |
| valorie | I get great performance, but am not a gamer | 05:43 |
| crystalline | before on was a big hit, if it's tiny these days... well i'm already opening the amd64 torrent lol | 05:43 |
| crystalline | I do 3D work too, cad/maya/blender, linux seems to perfer that stuff | 05:43 |
| valorie | it's hard to measure numbers of users | 05:43 |
| valorie | we often lead in the polls, but that really only measures "how many users see the polls" | 05:44 |
| crystalline | It's easy fishing for number of users by having a standard system that anonymously calls home with a unique hash | 05:44 |
| crystalline | canonical says they don't know the exact number... but that amazon plugin lets them get a rough number | 05:45 |
| valorie | sure, but we don't have the amazon plugin | 05:45 |
| crystalline | the stock browser... have the search and homepage default to a kubuntu page, count unique hits, bam | 05:46 |
| valorie | Amarok has one for the cart, but users have to know to turn in on..... | 05:46 |
| valorie | and there are ubuntu Amarok users as well, so..... | 05:46 |
| crystalline | lots of kde software users on non-kde distros | 05:47 |
| tsimpson | we do have popcon, but it's opt-in: http://popcon.ubuntu.com/main/metapackages/by_inst | 05:47 |
| crystalline | i'm using quassel and kate on everything lol | 05:47 |
| valorie | it would be cool to know, just for promo purposes, but really -- what do we need figures for? | 05:51 |
| crystalline | How well is 13.10 working? pretty much bug free or a mess? | 05:56 |
| mybad | good morning | 05:57 |
| mybad | could someone please help me? | 05:58 |
| crystalline | with wot | 05:58 |
| mybad | minutes before the muon updater came up and wanted to install 4.11.1 in many apps | 05:59 |
| mybad | i remember there was no cross on ksysguard, so i made the cross. didn't think that much, it wanted to remove kubuntu-desktop. just thought it won't make any problems somehow | 06:00 |
| mybad | but now kde isn't starting anymore | 06:00 |
| mybad | kubuntu 13.04 logo screen comes and then just a black screen | 06:00 |
| mybad | tty1 comes up so i hope it won't be a big problem :) | 06:01 |
| mybad | when i type startx into console only a black screen is coming | 06:02 |
| mybad | would maybe sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop help? | 06:05 |
| mybad | or sudo dpkg-reconfigure kubuntu-desktop | 06:05 |
| mybad | don't wanna make a mistake again | 06:05 |
| mybad | it was working like a charm | 06:06 |
| mybad | someone awake? | 06:15 |
| valorie | mybad, reinstalling kubuntu-desktop would surely help | 06:16 |
| valorie | reconfiguring it if it was removed won't help | 06:16 |
| mybad | hi valorie. so is this the only choice? could it do any harm or that i have to reconfigure the desktop settings? | 06:23 |
| valorie | It cannot hurt | 06:24 |
| mybad | alright | 06:24 |
| valorie | if it says that kubuntu-desktop is already installed | 06:24 |
| mybad | i will give it a try | 06:24 |
| valorie | then you can reconfigure | 06:24 |
| valorie | you can even say 'install --reinstall' | 06:24 |
| mybad | does it make any difference? | 06:26 |
| mybad | sry, do u mean "sudo apt-get install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop"? | 06:27 |
| valorie | the --reinstall part will make it reinstall even if it is already installed | 06:28 |
| valorie | and yes, that would be correct | 06:28 |
| mybad | ok, i understand | 06:28 |
| mybad | thanx for ur help | 06:28 |
| QwertyKb | You can also remove kubuntu-desktop then install it, should add in the missing packages | 06:29 |
| valorie | it can cause a panicky feeling when everything disappears | 06:29 |
| QwertyKb | (Though I have no idea what your actual probllem is) | 06:29 |
| valorie | it's happened to me | 06:29 |
| valorie | IRC helps! | 06:29 |
| mybad | like first sudo purge kubuntu-desktop? | 06:29 |
| mybad | or sudo apt-get purge kubuntu-desktop | 06:30 |
| mybad | or better autoremove | 06:31 |
| mybad | so it has happened to u before valorie? so i assume just sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop is the choice? | 06:32 |
| mybad | but i think kubuntu-desktop is already removed | 06:33 |
| mybad | so long dolphin -v tells me 4.11.1 | 06:33 |
| valorie | I messed up an install or upgrade a couple of years ago | 06:33 |
| valorie | IRC was very helpful, if just to remind me that someone cared | 06:34 |
| QwertyKb | valorie: Removing kubuntu-desktop will never remove its dependencies, u nless you used aptitude | 06:34 |
| valorie | right, kub-desktop is a meta-package | 06:35 |
| mybad | as i can remember it also made changes to other packages but i just clicked ok on it and went away from the desktop. when i came there, i clicked on install updates and wanted to have a reboot | 06:36 |
| valorie | I wasn't saying I had the identical situation, just that everything was messed up, and I didn't want to panic, I wanted to fix it | 06:36 |
| valorie | it's always good to read the messages rather than just clicking OK, but it's sorta too late to do that now! | 06:37 |
| mybad | yeah sure, i always do that but i had never problems before with kde updates before | 06:38 |
| mybad | so i wasn't that sceptical. i'm very new to linux but i really love it and don't miss anything from windows except the gaming part but i don't play that much so it's ok | 06:40 |
| valorie | well, our packagers are awesome | 06:42 |
| valorie | but not Godlike | 06:42 |
| valorie | mistakes sometimes creep in | 06:42 |
| valorie | anyway, reading the info teaches more about the system and how it works | 06:42 |
| mybad | feel a little bit sad that i didn't switch earlier to linux. already tried it a few times but my wifi stick wasn't compatible at this time and din't feel the need to switch, although i was pretty interested in this system. | 06:47 |
| mybad | the installing kubuntu in may this year and i completely switched. | 06:48 |
| valorie | this isn't religion, though -- it's tools to help you accomplish what you want | 06:51 |
| valorie | if you had something that worked before, that's fine | 06:51 |
| valorie | I'm still learning, and i'm a grandma | 06:52 |
| mybad | but this even works better for me, except of this problem now... | 06:58 |
| valorie | well, linux on the desktop has gotten a lot better in the last 10 years or so | 06:59 |
| valorie | which is how long I've been using it | 06:59 |
| mybad | sudo apt get install kubuntu-desktop told me 0,0,0,0 " sudo apt-get autoremove kubuntu-desktop tells me 81 to remove with 2.723 mb"? | 07:04 |
| valorie | that's a lot to remove | 07:04 |
| mybad | yeah | 07:05 |
| valorie | install --reinstall sounds better to me | 07:05 |
| mybad | now i made sudo apt-get install --reinstall | 07:05 |
| mybad | it loaded a few thing | 07:05 |
| mybad | s | 07:05 |
| valorie | do you know about up-arrow? | 07:05 |
| mybad | typed startx but still black screen | 07:05 |
| valorie | so you don't have to re-type all the time? | 07:05 |
| mybad | yeah, i already know | 07:06 |
| valorie | ok | 07:06 |
| valorie | you might have to restart KDE again, once it finished installing | 07:07 |
| mybad | how can i do this? | 07:08 |
| valorie | sudo reboot | 07:09 |
| mybad | ah, ok thank u. just made i8t manually before | 07:09 |
| lordievader | Good morning. | 07:12 |
| mybad | as what i can see it seems maybegood morning | 07:12 |
| mybad | before i was able to get in grub menu, but didn't chose the recovery mode | 07:13 |
| mybad | no i'm not able to get there again | 07:13 |
| mybad | ata4 revalidation failed, ata4 interface fatal error. that doesn't sound that good | 07:14 |
| mybad | now i'm in recovery mode | 07:19 |
| mybad | should i use fsck? | 07:19 |
| === ikonia_ is now known as ikonia | ||
| valorie | woah | 07:24 |
| valorie | mybad, do you have a recent iso, so you can just reinstall? | 07:24 |
| valorie | that is much simpler and faster than trying to fix this | 07:25 |
| mybad | u mean a new untouched kubuntu 13.04 iso? | 07:25 |
| valorie | that would be best, IMO | 07:26 |
| valorie | and fastest | 07:26 |
| mybad | i could download it now and put it on a usb stick later | 07:26 |
| mybad | i assume i shouldn't use a 13.10 iso, as i have 13.04 installed | 07:27 |
| valorie | yup | 07:27 |
| valorie | I'm about to disappear from here, I think | 07:28 |
| valorie | no | 07:28 |
| valorie | that's only in beta 1 | 07:28 |
| mybad | hm are there no other options? | 07:28 |
| valorie | 13.04 is great | 07:28 |
| valorie | yes, but they all take time, and knowledge | 07:28 |
| mybad | yeah me, too i have some things to now in rl so there's time to dl it and check back later | 07:28 |
| mybad | i had 13.04 installed when it was still in beta and seemed to work better and better | 07:29 |
| mybad | but i think this problem shouldn't be too big, all directorys r still there | 07:30 |
| mybad | thanks for ur time valorie :) | 07:30 |
| mybad | have a nice day | 07:33 |
| mybad | 09:28:58] <mybad> yeah me, too i have some things to now in rl so there's time to dl it and check back later | 07:35 |
| mybad | [09:29:29] <mybad> i had 13.04 installed when it was still in beta and seemed to work better and better | 07:35 |
| mybad | [09:30:17] <mybad> but i think this problem shouldn't be too big, all directorys r still there | 07:35 |
| mybad | [09:30:35] <mybad> thanks for ur time valorie | 07:35 |
| FloodBotK1 | mybad: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation. | 07:35 |
| mybad | will check back later, have a nice day | 07:35 |
| backt | hey | 08:15 |
| chaotix | hi. in Kolourpaint, when i attempt to save, nothing happens, no response at all... any suggestions?? i really need to use kolourpaint right now for something, gimp is too complicated for me, and all the other drawing programs suck, i only use kolourpaint, on windows and on linux | 08:15 |
| backt | anybody know why vuze dont wanna download in ubuntu | 08:16 |
| chaotix | does anyone at least know of a drawing program likekolourpaint that has relatively easy to use transparency features? its the main reason i use it over other paint programs | 08:22 |
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| === Guest85035 is now known as evilloop | ||
| chaotix | i was able to accomplish my goal with pinta, but it would be nice for the bugs in kolourpaint 4.10.2 were worked out | 08:29 |
| chaotix | nite' | 08:29 |
| === anthony is now known as Guest56824 | ||
| Kadric | Bonjour tout le monde | 10:20 |
| === ashwin is now known as Guest28417 | ||
| tolookinthegass | whats the fastest way to fill a drive with data ? | 11:30 |
| tolookinthegass | with only a kubuntu install cd | 11:30 |
| BluesKaj | 'Morning all | 11:33 |
| tsimpson | tolookinthegass: what kind of data? | 11:37 |
| tolookinthegass | any kind | 11:38 |
| tsimpson | well you have /dev/zero for a stream of zero bytes | 11:38 |
| tolookinthegass | i just need to fill up all the drive sectors | 11:38 |
| tsimpson | combine with the dd command | 11:38 |
| tsimpson | dd if=/dev/zero of=/the/device | 11:38 |
| tsimpson | there's also /dev/urandom for random data, but that will take longer (as the system has to generate random bytes) | 11:39 |
| tolookinthegass | hmm this is quite an old box | 11:40 |
| tolookinthegass | is there any reason that the partition manager that comes in kubuntu wont 0 out the data for you ? | 11:41 |
| tsimpson | there's usually no need to do a full format | 11:42 |
| tsimpson | and it can be bad for disks to write too often to the same sector | 11:43 |
| tolookinthegass | yes but sometimes you do need a secure wipe and its noteven packaged with wipe :( | 11:43 |
| tolookinthegass | urgh next time i will just bring gentoo or redhat | 11:50 |
| tolookinthegass | the problem with dumbing something down is sometimes you need something basic and its not there like a secure erase and then it turns into a nightmare becouse someone wanted to drop something that every other system disk in history has | 11:51 |
| === Guest28417 is now known as JohnSmith | ||
| === JohnSmith is now known as Johnny | ||
| === Johnny is now known as JohnSmith | ||
| Dragnslcr | Did you check the DVD to see if it has the shred package? | 11:54 |
| === ashwin is now known as JohnSmithLinux | ||
| tolookinthegass | dont worry i think i have opensuse in here somewhere, its sillyness to mess around in cli for something so simple | 11:55 |
| Dragnslcr | Okay, I guess there isn't a shred package. It might be installed by default | 11:55 |
| Dragnslcr | The DVD might have the wipe package, if you like that better | 11:56 |
| === ashwin is now known as JohnSmithLinux | ||
| Dragnslcr | shred is part of the coreutils package | 11:57 |
| === BigJohn is now known as BigJohn1 | ||
| CrytoViral | Has anyone else experienced a bug with KDE IM where the contacts don't show via Bonjour protocol ? | 13:26 |
| grey__ | _ | 13:53 |
| Roey | _. | 13:53 |
| Roey | ::cricket:: ::cricket:: | 13:53 |
| grey__ | -_- | 13:53 |
| Roey | /-_-\ | 13:54 |
| Roey | Heidy, Heidy_ Heidy__. | 13:55 |
| Roey | heidy________: bot? | 13:55 |
| Roey | BluesKaj: who has joined on with like seven duplicates | 13:56 |
| smartboyhw | ikonia, thank you:) | 14:00 |
| BluesKaj | doesn't seem to be working , could be a script /bot | 14:01 |
| BluesKaj | this heidy_____ person is in Columbia , that's what the IP shows | 14:03 |
| BluesKaj | err Colombia | 14:03 |
| Roey | ok | 14:10 |
| vip | hi there | 14:15 |
| vip | I've problem with bluetooth/networking; when I connect to my audio receiver via bluetooth networking stop work (can't ping anything), icon shows I'm connected | 14:16 |
| vip | also, no dmesg messages about it | 14:16 |
| vip | when I disconnect, networking works again | 14:16 |
| vip | it worked for me last time (i suppose 1-2 months ago) | 14:17 |
| vip | any hints? | 14:17 |
| CrytoViral | vip, sounds like a bug with bluetooth if it's producing results like that | 14:22 |
| vip | I've got bt mouse too, it seems not to take over my networking ;) | 14:23 |
| BluesKaj | vip: suggest you use a wired connection to your audio receiver like optical or coax out from your soundcard | 14:25 |
| CrytoViral | vip, It's a very strange result, almost like a hardware conflict ? | 14:26 |
| vip | CrytoViral: but always worked | 14:28 |
| vip | BluesKaj: because of the sound quality? | 14:28 |
| CrytoViral | Is the bluetooth internal, or a USB dongle ? | 14:28 |
| vip | I usually listen directly from audio cd or something, but sometimes I just want stream from my laptop for a while | 14:29 |
| vip | CrytoViral: internal | 14:29 |
| BluesKaj | vip: amongst other things yes , too many levels of processing IMO , but that's your call | 14:29 |
| vip | I suppose, It recognizes it wrongly, or setups it as audio & network | 14:29 |
| CrytoViral | vip, Could be something with a hardware switch, has it always worked | 14:29 |
| vip | CrytoViral: BT is always on, wifi too | 14:30 |
| vip | As I said, I've bt mouse | 14:30 |
| CrytoViral | So you always have the BT mouse connected when using wifi ? | 14:30 |
| vip | yes | 14:31 |
| vip | right now, e.g. | 14:31 |
| vip | hmm, it works now (i've done it manually with bluez-test-audio connect <mac> | 14:33 |
| vip | strange | 14:34 |
| vip | brb | 14:34 |
| vip | thank you for your help CrytoViral, it seems it work now | 14:35 |
| CrytoViral | I'm not sure I helped haha | 14:35 |
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| pandev92 | anyone know, why kde 4.11.1 need two clics for open a minimized application xD? | 14:59 |
| amichair | will kde #324470 hotfix be released quickly (as some distros have done), or only with 4.11.2? | 17:05 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 324470 in widget-taskbar "Minimize/maximize by clicking taskbar entries requires double click." [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=324470 | 17:06 |
| s7 | hi | 17:16 |
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| === asus is now known as terry333 | ||
| terry333 | hi peoples | 18:45 |
| terry333 | how's gone | 18:45 |
| terry333 | you'r searching to download new games film music | 18:46 |
| terry333 | from irc | 18:46 |
| terry333 | !list | 18:46 |
| ubottu | terry333: No warez here! This is not a file sharing channel (or network); read the channel topic. If you're looking for information about me, type « /msg ubottu !bot ». If you're looking for a channel, see « /msg ubottu !alis ». | 18:46 |
| CrytoViral | I wasn't aware people actually used XDCC anymore. | 19:23 |
| CrytoViral | How time doesn't move on. | 19:23 |
| eagles0513875 | hey guys i have 2 pen drives which are not being picked up in my 13.04 install they are formatted in fat | 21:30 |
| eagles0513875 | any ideas why they are not being detected? | 21:31 |
| eagles0513875 | even gparted is not picking them up. | 21:31 |
| valorie | try a different USB port? | 21:33 |
| eagles0513875 | valorie: yes i did | 21:34 |
| eagles0513875 | same issue | 21:34 |
| valorie | hmmm | 21:35 |
| valorie | but they are seen on other machines? | 21:35 |
| CrytoViral | formatted in FAT ? | 21:35 |
| CrytoViral | are they like 100mb usb sticks ? | 21:35 |
| CrytoViral | eagles0513875, have you use Win32 imager | 21:37 |
| CrytoViral | by any chance | 21:37 |
| eagles0513875 | valorie: yes on my imac they hare | 21:37 |
| eagles0513875 | CrytoViral: fat32 one is 4gb and the other 16gb pen drives | 21:38 |
| eagles0513875 | CrytoViral: is it available on linux? | 21:38 |
| CrytoViral | no im just wondering | 21:38 |
| CrytoViral | because win32 formatting style is stupendous, any space it doesnt use for the ISO it renders unusable | 21:39 |
| eagles0513875 | :-/ ok | 21:39 |
| CrytoViral | eagles0513875, what does lsusb output | 21:39 |
| CrytoViral | with the usb plugged in | 21:39 |
| eagles0513875 | CrytoViral: http://pastebin.com/wyrWg0ia | 21:43 |
| eagles0513875 | its like its seeing it but not the full 16gb | 21:43 |
| valorie | could it be only partly formatted? | 21:44 |
| CrytoViral | do, sudo fdisk -l | 21:45 |
| CrytoViral | and tell me the output | 21:45 |
| eagles0513875 | valorie: could be. | 21:45 |
| eagles0513875 | CrytoViral: its not even seeing the usb drive | 21:45 |
| eagles0513875 | i cannot even mount it | 21:45 |
| CrytoViral | it is seeing the usb drive | 21:46 |
| eagles0513875 | fdisk -l doesnt return me anything though | 21:46 |
| eagles0513875 | except the 2tb hard disk i have | 21:46 |
| CrytoViral | sudo fdisk -l | 21:46 |
| CrytoViral | hmm ok, do you have a windows pc on? | 21:46 |
| CrytoViral | is the issue the same on a windows pc | 21:46 |
| CrytoViral | pc/OS | 21:46 |
| eagles0513875 | CrytoViral: i tried on mac osx | 21:47 |
| eagles0513875 | that is where i reformatted them | 21:47 |
| CrytoViral | so OSX successfully mounts them and you can access the usb drives | 21:47 |
| eagles0513875 | correct | 21:47 |
| CrytoViral | interesting | 21:48 |
| eagles0513875 | i formatted them on it | 21:48 |
| CrytoViral | out of curiosity | 21:48 |
| CrytoViral | can you format one of them ext4 | 21:48 |
| eagles0513875 | on mac no | 21:49 |
| eagles0513875 | actually wait a min | 21:49 |
| eagles0513875 | no that wont work actually | 21:49 |
| eagles0513875 | i can still make a bootable pen drive on my imac but its pointless if i cannot then boot it on this system | 21:49 |
| valorie | it would be interesting to see if that pen drive will mount on any other system | 21:50 |
| valorie | if not, the fault will be on the mac | 21:50 |
| CrytoViral | it's the way the software you're using on the mac is formatting the usb | 21:51 |
| CrytoViral | its corrupting the file system | 21:51 |
| === christian is now known as Guest16718 | ||
| eagles0513875 | windows detects the drives as well CrytoViral and valorie | 21:53 |
| valorie | hmmm | 21:53 |
| valorie | plot thickens, then | 21:53 |
| CrytoViral | are you using the same software on both os's | 21:53 |
| eagles0513875 | im using the native formatting methodds on both mac and windows | 21:53 |
| CrytoViral | ok nevermind those] | 21:54 |
| CrytoViral | grab a free partitioning tool for windows | 21:54 |
| CrytoViral | and try that | 21:54 |
| eagles0513875 | like what | 21:54 |
| eagles0513875 | i have gparted here | 21:55 |
| Guest16718 | test | 21:58 |
| eagles0513875 | CrytoViral: http://pastebin.com/xn4xu1Vy | 21:58 |
| CrytoViral | eagles0513875, anmything free# | 21:58 |
| eagles0513875 | CrytoViral: that is from dmesg | 21:58 |
| CrytoViral | it does see the usb# | 21:58 |
| CrytoViral | just not the file system | 21:59 |
| CrytoViral | so i thinkk whatever youre using is corrupting the file system | 21:59 |
| eagles0513875 | ok that makes no sense wouldnt windows and mac osx not be able to see it as well | 21:59 |
| eagles0513875 | all im using are the built in formatting tools which are included with the respective systems | 21:59 |
| eagles0513875 | how can i determine its mount point CrytoViral | 22:00 |
| CrytoViral | its the only thing i can think of, we can try another tool to rule it out | 22:00 |
| eagles0513875 | bah this is frustrating CrytoViral :( | 22:03 |
| CrytoViral | i cant really understand why it wouldnt detect it | 22:03 |
| eagles0513875 | i wonder could it be somethign relating to a kernel issue | 22:05 |
| eagles0513875 | let me try something | 22:05 |
| ikonia | kernel issues ??? | 22:05 |
| ikonia | eagles0513875: what are you actually trying to do | 22:05 |
| ikonia | (clearly) | 22:05 |
| eagles0513875 | ikonia: for some reason 13.04 is not detecting my pen drives | 22:10 |
| eagles0513875 | yet windows and mac osx detect them just fine | 22:10 |
| ikonia | eagles0513875: define detecting them, at what level | 22:11 |
| eagles0513875 | ikonia: in other words not mounting them sudo fdisk -l doesnt show it /media doesnt show the device there the first pastbin is showing that the system is detecting it but it seems like it doesnt recognize the file system | 22:11 |
| ikonia | eagles0513875: ok, so mounting is the problem | 22:11 |
| ikonia | eagles0513875: first question, what partition table format is on the devices ? | 22:12 |
| eagles0513875 | fat32 | 22:12 |
| ikonia | no, that'a a file system | 22:12 |
| ikonia | re-read the questin | 22:12 |
| eagles0513875 | ikonia: they just have a single partition | 22:12 |
| ikonia | no, re-read the question | 22:12 |
| eagles0513875 | ikonia: i didnt specify anything as i used the default settings when i reformatted the device using the windows format tool | 22:13 |
| ikonia | eagles0513875: you must know what partition format you put on the devices | 22:13 |
| ikonia | this is basic stuff | 22:13 |
| eagles0513875 | you mean block size and that sort of stuff? | 22:13 |
| ikonia | no | 22:13 |
| ikonia | is it an msdos partition table, gpt, bsd etc | 22:14 |
| eagles0513875 | msdos | 22:14 |
| ikonia | ok, great | 22:14 |
| ikonia | how big is the pen drive | 22:14 |
| eagles0513875 | one is 4gb the other 16 | 22:14 |
| ikonia | ok, so sane sizes, good | 22:14 |
| ikonia | clear your syslog, tail it, put one on, do you see anything | 22:15 |
| ikonia | put one "in" sorry | 22:15 |
| eagles0513875 | there is one line im noticing which is suspicious | 22:16 |
| ikonia | from a clean syslog ? | 22:16 |
| eagles0513875 | yes | 22:17 |
| eagles0513875 | http://pastebin.com/UUNf8Epu | 22:17 |
| eagles0513875 | from when i inserted the pen drive | 22:17 |
| ikonia | so it sees the device, which is good | 22:18 |
| eagles0513875 | correct | 22:18 |
| ikonia | looks like it doesn't see it as a disk though | 22:18 |
| eagles0513875 | that is correct | 22:19 |
| eagles0513875 | if i do a sudo fdisk -l all i see is the 2tb hard disk where the os is installed | 22:19 |
| ikonia | also what is device 4 that it disconnects, is that the re-checking of the same device or a different device | 22:19 |
| ikonia | format fdisk -l, | 22:19 |
| ikonia | oops | 22:19 |
| ikonia | forget fdisk -l | 22:19 |
| ikonia | you're not at that level yet | 22:19 |
| eagles0513875 | thats the thing i dont know what device 4 is | 22:19 |
| eagles0513875 | the only thing that i unplugged was the usb device | 22:20 |
| ikonia | thats fine - it's re-scanning the same device | 22:21 |
| ikonia | so basically it's not detecting it as a hard disk, we need to fix that | 22:21 |
| eagles0513875 | correct | 22:21 |
| ikonia | first check lsusb, it should be seen there without issue | 22:21 |
| eagles0513875 | correct | 22:22 |
| ikonia | look at the udev rules, and grep for mtp-probe, one of those rules is a "catch all" rule for not full identified devices, identify that rule, see what pattern it's matching | 22:23 |
| ikonia | once you've done that, create a manual rule providing more detail than the catch all pattern matching so it doesn't get hit with the catch all rule | 22:23 |
| eagles0513875 | ikonia: you will need to walk me through this if you dont mind as i have never had to do this before | 22:24 |
| ikonia | eagles0513875: it's not as hard as it sounds | 22:24 |
| eagles0513875 | ok | 22:24 |
| ikonia | grep the udev rules for mpt-probe, these are all the rules that trigger mpt-probe (which is what your usb device is doing) | 22:24 |
| ikonia | you'll see the patterns they match eg: 00, 04, 05, aa | 22:25 |
| ikonia | see what's matching against your device, eg: 004783474 - it would be the "00" that's matching | 22:25 |
| ikonia | then make a new rule for for a disk, with 004783474 as the identifier | 22:25 |
| ikonia | that way it matching 004783474 and makes a disk, rather than the "00" of 004783474 and tries to run mpt-probe | 22:26 |
| ikonia | it's basically just pattern matching | 22:26 |
| eagles0513875 | ok question for you ikonia last time i used these pen drives on this system everythign worked fine what could have changed in udev since then? | 22:28 |
| ikonia | a rule update ? device id update ? | 22:29 |
| eagles0513875 | ok | 22:29 |
| ikonia | (at a guess) | 22:29 |
| ikonia | you may know more / be able to work it out more when you find the udev trigger for it | 22:29 |
| eagles0513875 | ok | 22:30 |
| eagles0513875 | ok i dont think i found the right thing ikonia | 22:33 |
| ikonia | not found any mpt-probes ? | 22:33 |
| eagles0513875 | no there is only one but its in /lib/udev | 22:34 |
| eagles0513875 | and is nothing but digits which has to be viewed with od | 22:34 |
| ikonia | where are you looking ? | 22:34 |
| eagles0513875 | in the above mentioned location. ill be honest and stright forward with you im horrible with regex | 22:35 |
| ikonia | the rules are in /lib/udev/rules.d | 22:36 |
| eagles0513875 | ok i found the file let me check in there :) | 22:38 |
| eagles0513875 | thanks to the arch forums actually | 22:38 |
| ikonia | a good source of info, just remember arch can do things different | 22:38 |
| eagles0513875 | ikonia: i know i did put me in the right direction as to the location of the file | 22:39 |
| ikonia | its multiple files, just so you know | 22:39 |
| ikonia | there should be more than 1 rules file | 22:39 |
| eagles0513875 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6076809/ that is one of them | 22:40 |
| ikonia | thats it, you get the idea | 22:41 |
| eagles0513875 | that seems to be the only one | 22:41 |
| eagles0513875 | and its not finding anything in there for the device | 22:41 |
| eagles0513875 | ikonia: these are the other files | 22:42 |
| ikonia | nothing for mtd ? | 22:42 |
| eagles0513875 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6076818/ | 22:42 |
| eagles0513875 | ikonia: there is but you said mpt | 22:42 |
| ikonia | sorry, typo, mtd | 22:42 |
| ikonia | 75-probe-mtd looks a good starter | 22:43 |
| eagles0513875 | # do not edit this file, it will be overwritten on update ACTION!="add", GOTO="mtd_probe_end" KERNEL=="mtd*ro", IMPORT{program}="mtd_probe $tempnode" KERNEL=="mtd*ro", ENV{MTD_FTL}=="smartmedia", RUN+="/sbin/modprobe -bv sm_ftl" LABEL="mtd_probe_end" | 22:43 |
| ikonia | back shortly, but you get the idea | 22:43 |
| eagles0513875 | thats all there is in that file | 22:43 |
| ikonia | eagles0513875: check others | 22:43 |
| ikonia | but you get the idea..... | 22:44 |
| eagles0513875 | ok ill brb | 22:44 |
| eagles0513875 | ikonia: seems it has somethign to do with the partition table | 22:51 |
| eagles0513875 | on creating a bootable usb and trying to boot on it im getting a missing operating system error | 22:52 |
| eagles0513875 | ikonia: this might be of interest to us Sep 8 00:58:54 EagleEye mtp-probe: checking bus 1, device 7: "/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb1/1-4" Sep 8 00:58:54 EagleEye mtp-probe: bus: 1, device: 7 was not an MTP device | 22:59 |
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