[00:19] <PewPewPew> Hey guys
[00:20] <PewPewPew> Since my off provblem of all ppas working being the backports, beta pbackports experimtal and such workingt besides those ones, and no one giving an anseer, 9i decided to reinstall
[00:21] <Gsport> go go go blue systems
[00:21] <PewPewPew> but i noticed the install bug with dual/multi monitors still happens
[00:22] <PewPewPew> where the panels get missed up and the only thing on the onael if you are loucky is activits
[00:22] <PewPewPew> so you have to rm 0-rf !!/.kde and go
[00:22] <PewPewPew> Anjy fix on a featuyre innnstall cd? its nnaoying plusd i happens on firswt boot
[00:23] <PewPewPew> major typos sorry
[00:23] <PewPewPew> but yohyu got the point
[01:39] <amichair> will kde #324470 hotfix be released quickly (as some distros have done), or only with 4.11.2?
[01:50] <JMichaelX> man i've been having a nighmarish evening with k/ubuntu....
[01:53] <JMichaelX> i installed 12.04 on a dell vostro 1000, for a friend, but there was no audio.  then i installed 13.04, but no audio. finally got audio working, by adding a line to alsa-base.conf, but no audio from the headphones jack, at all
[01:55] <JMichaelX> i also have an inspiron 1501, and thought,  oh well, i'll give that to my friend instead. 13.04 live cd worked fine. installed to HD, rebooted.... kernel crash.
[01:56] <JMichaelX> so then, i installed 12.04. live CD worked, installed to HD. rebooted, all still worked (except wifi). did tons of updates, rebooted.... kernel crash at bottup, every time
[01:56] <JMichaelX> bootup*
[01:59] <JMichaelX> basically, no combination works
[02:01] <JMichaelX> if the think didn't lock up, maybe i could troubleshoot
[02:09] <JMichaelX> it appears that issues with the broadcom wifi driver are related to these kernel lockups... anyone know what the deal is?
[04:51] <QwertyKb> Are packages for Plasma Active 4 available?
[05:32] <crystalline> Is Kubuntu the #2 ubuntu distro? (ignoring mint)
[05:40] <valorie> mint isn't an ubuntu distro, strictly speaking
[05:40] <valorie> crystalline: do you mean historically? by popularity, or what?
[05:41] <crystalline> valorie: number of users, or more importantly, the amount of developer manpower
[05:41] <valorie> ah
[05:41] <valorie> I would guess we have the largest volunteer devel team
[05:42] <valorie> from what I've seen at UDS, in lists, in IRC, etc.
[05:42] <crystalline> I remember seeing kde performing great in games with compo off... is it better on now?
[05:43] <valorie> I get great performance, but am not a gamer
[05:43] <crystalline> before on was a big hit, if it's tiny these days... well i'm already opening the amd64 torrent lol
[05:43] <crystalline> I do 3D work too, cad/maya/blender, linux seems to perfer that stuff
[05:43] <valorie> it's hard to measure numbers of users
[05:44] <valorie> we often lead in the polls, but that really only measures "how many users see the polls"
[05:44] <crystalline> It's easy fishing for number of users by having a standard system that anonymously calls home with a unique hash
[05:45] <crystalline> canonical says they don't know the exact number... but that amazon plugin lets them get a rough number
[05:45] <valorie> sure, but we don't have the amazon plugin
[05:46] <crystalline> the stock browser... have the search and homepage default to a kubuntu page, count unique hits, bam
[05:46] <valorie> Amarok has one for the cart, but users have to know to turn in on.....
[05:46] <valorie> and there are ubuntu Amarok users as well, so.....
[05:47] <crystalline> lots of kde software users on non-kde distros
[05:47] <tsimpson> we do have popcon, but it's opt-in: http://popcon.ubuntu.com/main/metapackages/by_inst 
[05:47] <crystalline> i'm using quassel and kate on everything lol
[05:51] <valorie> it would be cool to know, just for promo purposes, but really -- what do we need figures for?
[05:56] <crystalline> How well is 13.10 working? pretty much bug free or a mess?
[05:57] <mybad> good morning
[05:58] <mybad> could someone please help me?
[05:58] <crystalline> with wot
[05:59] <mybad> minutes before the muon updater came up and wanted to install 4.11.1 in many apps
[06:00] <mybad> i remember there was no cross on ksysguard, so i made the cross. didn't think that much, it wanted to remove kubuntu-desktop. just thought it won't make any problems somehow
[06:00] <mybad> but now kde isn't starting anymore
[06:00] <mybad> kubuntu 13.04 logo screen comes and then just a black screen
[06:01] <mybad> tty1 comes up so i hope it won't be a big problem :)
[06:02] <mybad> when i type startx into console only a black screen is coming
[06:05] <mybad> would maybe sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop help?
[06:05] <mybad> or sudo dpkg-reconfigure kubuntu-desktop
[06:05] <mybad> don't wanna make a mistake again
[06:06] <mybad> it was working like a charm
[06:15] <mybad> someone awake?
[06:16] <valorie> mybad, reinstalling kubuntu-desktop would surely help
[06:16] <valorie> reconfiguring it if it was removed won't help
[06:23] <mybad> hi valorie. so is this the only choice? could it do any harm or that i have to reconfigure the desktop settings?
[06:24] <valorie> It cannot hurt
[06:24] <mybad> alright
[06:24] <valorie> if it says that kubuntu-desktop is already installed
[06:24] <mybad> i will give it a try
[06:24] <valorie> then you can reconfigure
[06:24] <valorie> you can even say 'install --reinstall'
[06:26] <mybad> does it make any difference?
[06:27] <mybad> sry, do u mean "sudo apt-get install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop"?
[06:28] <valorie> the --reinstall part will make it reinstall even if it is already installed
[06:28] <valorie> and yes, that would be correct
[06:28] <mybad> ok, i understand
[06:28] <mybad> thanx for ur help
[06:29] <QwertyKb> You can also remove kubuntu-desktop then install it, should add in the missing packages
[06:29] <valorie> it can cause a panicky feeling when everything disappears
[06:29] <QwertyKb> (Though I have no idea what your actual probllem is)
[06:29] <valorie> it's happened to me
[06:29] <valorie> IRC helps!
[06:29] <mybad> like first sudo purge kubuntu-desktop?
[06:30] <mybad> or sudo apt-get purge kubuntu-desktop
[06:31] <mybad> or better autoremove
[06:32] <mybad> so it has happened to u before valorie? so i assume just sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop is the choice?
[06:33] <mybad> but i think kubuntu-desktop is already removed
[06:33] <mybad> so long dolphin -v tells me 4.11.1
[06:33] <valorie> I messed up an install or upgrade a couple of years ago
[06:34] <valorie> IRC was very helpful, if just to remind me that someone cared
[06:34] <QwertyKb> valorie: Removing kubuntu-desktop will never remove its dependencies, u nless you used aptitude
[06:35] <valorie> right, kub-desktop is a meta-package
[06:36] <mybad> as i can remember it also made changes to other packages but i just clicked ok on it and went away from the desktop. when i came there, i clicked on install updates and wanted to have a reboot
[06:36] <valorie> I wasn't saying I had the identical situation, just that everything was messed up, and I didn't want to panic, I wanted to fix it
[06:37] <valorie> it's always good to read the messages rather than just clicking OK, but it's sorta too late to do that now!
[06:38] <mybad> yeah sure, i always do that but i had never problems before with kde updates before
[06:40] <mybad> so i wasn't that sceptical. i'm very new to linux but i really love it and don't miss anything from windows except the gaming part but i don't play that much so it's ok
[06:42] <valorie> well, our packagers are awesome
[06:42] <valorie> but not Godlike
[06:42] <valorie> mistakes sometimes creep in
[06:42] <valorie> anyway, reading the info teaches more about the system and how it works
[06:47] <mybad> feel a little bit sad that i didn't switch earlier to linux. already tried it a few times but my wifi stick wasn't compatible at this time and din't feel the need to switch, although i was pretty interested in this system.
[06:48] <mybad> the installing kubuntu in may this year and i completely switched.
[06:51] <valorie> this isn't religion, though -- it's tools to help you accomplish what you want
[06:51] <valorie> if you had something that worked before, that's fine
[06:52] <valorie> I'm still learning, and i'm a grandma
[06:58] <mybad> but this even works better for me, except of this problem now... 
[06:59] <valorie> well, linux on the desktop has gotten a lot better in the last 10 years or so
[06:59] <valorie> which is how long I've been using it
[07:04] <mybad> sudo apt get install kubuntu-desktop told me 0,0,0,0 " sudo apt-get autoremove kubuntu-desktop tells me 81 to remove with 2.723 mb"?
[07:04] <valorie> that's a lot to remove
[07:05] <mybad> yeah
[07:05] <valorie> install --reinstall sounds better to me
[07:05] <mybad> now i made sudo apt-get install --reinstall
[07:05] <mybad> it loaded a few thing
[07:05] <mybad> s
[07:05] <valorie> do you know about up-arrow?
[07:05] <mybad> typed startx but still black screen
[07:05] <valorie> so you don't have to re-type all the time?
[07:06] <mybad> yeah, i already know
[07:06] <valorie> ok
[07:07] <valorie> you might have to restart KDE again, once it finished installing
[07:08] <mybad> how can i do this?
[07:09] <valorie> sudo reboot
[07:09] <mybad> ah, ok thank u. just made i8t manually before
[07:12] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:12] <mybad> as what i can see it seems maybegood morning
[07:13] <mybad> before i was able to get in grub menu, but didn't chose the recovery mode
[07:13] <mybad> no i'm not able to get there again
[07:14] <mybad> ata4 revalidation failed, ata4 interface fatal error. that doesn't sound that good
[07:19] <mybad> now i'm in recovery mode
[07:19] <mybad> should i use fsck?
[07:24] <valorie> woah
[07:24] <valorie> mybad, do you have a recent iso, so you can just reinstall?
[07:25] <valorie> that is much simpler and faster than trying to fix this
[07:25] <mybad> u mean a new untouched kubuntu 13.04 iso?
[07:26] <valorie> that would be best, IMO
[07:26] <valorie> and fastest
[07:26] <mybad> i could download it now and put it on a usb stick later
[07:27] <mybad> i assume i shouldn't use a 13.10 iso, as i have 13.04 installed
[07:27] <valorie> yup
[07:28] <valorie> I'm about to disappear from here, I think
[07:28] <valorie> no
[07:28] <valorie> that's only in beta 1
[07:28] <mybad> hm are there no other options?
[07:28] <valorie> 13.04 is great
[07:28] <valorie> yes, but they all take time, and knowledge
[07:28] <mybad> yeah me, too i have some things to now in rl so there's time to dl it and check back later
[07:29] <mybad> i had 13.04 installed when it was still in beta and seemed to work better and better
[07:30] <mybad> but i think this problem shouldn't be too big, all directorys r still there
[07:30] <mybad> thanks for ur time valorie :)
[07:33] <mybad> have a nice day
[07:35] <mybad> 09:28:58] <mybad> yeah me, too i have some things to now in rl so there's time to dl it and check back later
[07:35] <mybad> [09:29:29] <mybad> i had 13.04 installed when it was still in beta and seemed to work better and better
[07:35] <mybad> [09:30:17] <mybad> but i think this problem shouldn't be too big, all directorys r still there
[07:35] <mybad> [09:30:35] <mybad> thanks for ur time valorie 
[07:35] <FloodBotK1> mybad: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[07:35] <mybad> will check back later, have a nice day
[08:15] <backt> hey
[08:15] <chaotix> hi.  in Kolourpaint, when i attempt to save, nothing happens, no response at all...  any suggestions??  i really need to use kolourpaint right now for something, gimp is too complicated for me, and all the other drawing programs suck, i only use kolourpaint, on windows and on linux
[08:16] <backt> anybody know why vuze dont wanna download in ubuntu
[08:22] <chaotix> does anyone at least know of a drawing program likekolourpaint that has relatively easy to use transparency features?  its the main reason i use it over other paint programs
[08:29] <chaotix> i was able to accomplish my goal with pinta, but it would be nice for the bugs in kolourpaint 4.10.2 were worked out
[08:29] <chaotix> nite'
[10:20] <Kadric> Bonjour tout le monde
[11:30] <tolookinthegass> whats the fastest way to fill a drive with data ? 
[11:30] <tolookinthegass> with only a kubuntu install cd 
[11:33] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:37] <tsimpson> tolookinthegass: what kind of data?
[11:38] <tolookinthegass> any kind 
[11:38] <tsimpson> well you have /dev/zero for a stream of zero bytes
[11:38] <tolookinthegass> i just need to fill up all the drive sectors 
[11:38] <tsimpson> combine with the dd command
[11:38] <tsimpson> dd if=/dev/zero of=/the/device
[11:39] <tsimpson> there's also /dev/urandom for random data, but that will take longer (as the system has to generate random bytes)
[11:40] <tolookinthegass> hmm this is quite an old box 
[11:41] <tolookinthegass> is there any reason that the partition manager that comes in kubuntu wont 0 out the data for you ?
[11:42] <tsimpson> there's usually no need to do a full format
[11:43] <tsimpson> and it can be bad for disks to write too often to the same sector
[11:43] <tolookinthegass> yes but sometimes you do need a secure wipe and its noteven packaged with wipe :( 
[11:50] <tolookinthegass> urgh next time i will just bring gentoo or redhat 
[11:51] <tolookinthegass> the problem with dumbing something down is sometimes you need something basic and its not there like a secure erase and then it turns into a nightmare becouse someone wanted to drop something that every other system disk in history has 
[11:54] <Dragnslcr> Did you check the DVD to see if it has the shred package?
[11:55] <tolookinthegass> dont worry i think i have opensuse in here somewhere, its sillyness to mess around in cli for something so simple 
[11:55] <Dragnslcr> Okay, I guess there isn't a shred package. It might be installed by default
[11:56] <Dragnslcr> The DVD might have the wipe package, if you like that better
[11:57] <Dragnslcr> shred is part of the coreutils package
[13:26] <CrytoViral> Has anyone else experienced a bug with KDE IM where the contacts don't show via Bonjour protocol ?
[13:53] <grey__> _
[13:53] <Roey> _.
[13:53] <Roey> ::cricket::                          ::cricket::
[13:53] <grey__> -_-
[13:54] <Roey> /-_-\
[13:55] <Roey> Heidy, Heidy_ Heidy__.
[13:55] <Roey> heidy________:  bot?
[13:56] <Roey> BluesKaj:  who has joined on with like seven duplicates
[14:00] <smartboyhw> ikonia, thank you:)
[14:01] <BluesKaj> doesn't seem to be working , could be a script /bot
[14:03] <BluesKaj> this heidy_____ person is in Columbia , that's what the IP shows 
[14:03] <BluesKaj> err Colombia
[14:10] <Roey> ok
[14:15] <vip> hi there
[14:16] <vip> I've problem with bluetooth/networking; when I connect to my audio receiver via bluetooth networking stop work (can't ping anything), icon shows I'm connected
[14:16] <vip> also, no dmesg messages about it
[14:16] <vip> when I disconnect, networking works again
[14:17] <vip> it worked for me last time (i suppose 1-2 months ago)
[14:17] <vip> any hints?
[14:22] <CrytoViral> vip, sounds like a bug with bluetooth if it's producing results like that
[14:23] <vip> I've got bt mouse too, it seems not to take over my networking ;)
[14:25] <BluesKaj> vip:  suggest you use a wired connection to your audio receiver like optical or coax out from your soundcard
[14:26] <CrytoViral> vip, It's a very strange result, almost like a hardware conflict ?
[14:28] <vip> CrytoViral: but always worked
[14:28] <vip> BluesKaj: because of the sound quality?
[14:28] <CrytoViral> Is the bluetooth internal, or a USB dongle ?
[14:29] <vip> I usually listen directly from audio cd or something, but sometimes I just want stream from my laptop for a while
[14:29] <vip> CrytoViral: internal 
[14:29] <BluesKaj> vip:  amongst other things yes , too many levels of processing IMO , but that's your call
[14:29] <vip> I suppose, It recognizes it wrongly, or setups it as audio & network 
[14:29] <CrytoViral> vip, Could be something with a hardware switch, has it always worked
[14:30] <vip> CrytoViral: BT is always on, wifi too
[14:30] <vip> As I said, I've bt mouse 
[14:30] <CrytoViral> So you always have the BT mouse connected when using wifi ?
[14:31] <vip> yes
[14:31] <vip> right now, e.g.
[14:33] <vip> hmm, it works now (i've done it manually with bluez-test-audio connect <mac>
[14:34] <vip> strange
[14:34] <vip> brb
[14:35] <vip> thank you for your help CrytoViral, it seems it work now
[14:35] <CrytoViral> I'm not sure I helped haha
[14:59] <pandev92> anyone know, why kde 4.11.1 need two clics for open a minimized application xD?
[17:05] <amichair> will kde #324470 hotfix be released quickly (as some distros have done), or only with 4.11.2?
[17:16] <s7> hi
[18:45] <terry333> hi peoples
[18:45] <terry333> how's gone
[18:46] <terry333> you'r searching to download new games film music 
[18:46] <terry333> from irc
[18:46] <terry333> !list
[19:23] <CrytoViral> I wasn't aware people actually used XDCC anymore. 
[19:23] <CrytoViral> How time doesn't move on.
[21:30] <eagles0513875> hey guys i have 2 pen drives which are not being picked up in my 13.04 install they are formatted in fat
[21:31] <eagles0513875> any ideas why they are not being detected?
[21:31] <eagles0513875> even gparted is not picking them up.
[21:33] <valorie> try a different USB port?
[21:34] <eagles0513875> valorie: yes i did
[21:34] <eagles0513875> same issue
[21:35] <valorie> hmmm
[21:35] <valorie> but they are seen on other machines?
[21:35] <CrytoViral> formatted in FAT ?
[21:35] <CrytoViral> are they like 100mb usb sticks ?
[21:37] <CrytoViral> eagles0513875, have you use Win32 imager 
[21:37] <CrytoViral> by any chance
[21:37] <eagles0513875> valorie: yes on my imac they hare
[21:38] <eagles0513875> CrytoViral: fat32 one is 4gb and the other 16gb pen drives
[21:38] <eagles0513875> CrytoViral: is it available on linux?
[21:38] <CrytoViral> no im just wondering
[21:39] <CrytoViral> because win32 formatting style is stupendous, any space it doesnt use for the ISO it renders unusable 
[21:39] <eagles0513875> :-/ ok 
[21:39] <CrytoViral> eagles0513875, what does lsusb output 
[21:39] <CrytoViral> with the usb plugged in
[21:43] <eagles0513875> CrytoViral: http://pastebin.com/wyrWg0ia
[21:43] <eagles0513875> its like its seeing it but not the full 16gb 
[21:44] <valorie> could it be only partly formatted?
[21:45] <CrytoViral> do, sudo fdisk -l 
[21:45] <CrytoViral> and tell me the output 
[21:45] <eagles0513875> valorie: could be.
[21:45] <eagles0513875> CrytoViral: its not even seeing the usb drive
[21:45] <eagles0513875> i cannot even mount it
[21:46] <CrytoViral> it is seeing the usb drive
[21:46] <eagles0513875> fdisk -l doesnt return me anything though 
[21:46] <eagles0513875> except the 2tb hard disk i have
[21:46] <CrytoViral> sudo fdisk -l 
[21:46] <CrytoViral> hmm ok, do you have a windows pc on?
[21:46] <CrytoViral> is the issue the same on a windows pc
[21:46] <CrytoViral> pc/OS
[21:47] <eagles0513875> CrytoViral: i tried on mac osx
[21:47] <eagles0513875> that is where i reformatted them
[21:47] <CrytoViral> so OSX successfully mounts them and you can access the usb drives
[21:47] <eagles0513875> correct
[21:48] <CrytoViral> interesting
[21:48] <eagles0513875> i formatted them on it
[21:48] <CrytoViral> out of curiosity 
[21:48] <CrytoViral> can you format one of them ext4
[21:49] <eagles0513875> on mac no
[21:49] <eagles0513875> actually wait a min 
[21:49] <eagles0513875> no that wont work actually 
[21:49] <eagles0513875> i can still make a bootable pen drive on my imac but its pointless if i cannot then boot it on this system
[21:50] <valorie> it would be interesting to see if that pen drive will mount on any other system
[21:50] <valorie> if not, the fault will be on the mac
[21:51] <CrytoViral> it's the way the software you're using on the mac is formatting the usb
[21:51] <CrytoViral> its corrupting the file system
[21:53] <eagles0513875> windows detects the drives as well CrytoViral and valorie
[21:53] <valorie> hmmm
[21:53] <valorie> plot thickens, then
[21:53] <CrytoViral> are you using the same software on both os's
[21:53] <eagles0513875> im using the native formatting methodds on both mac and windows
[21:54] <CrytoViral> ok nevermind those]
[21:54] <CrytoViral> grab a free partitioning tool for windows
[21:54] <CrytoViral> and try that
[21:54] <eagles0513875> like what
[21:55] <eagles0513875> i have gparted here
[21:58] <Guest16718> test
[21:58] <eagles0513875> CrytoViral: http://pastebin.com/xn4xu1Vy
[21:58] <CrytoViral> eagles0513875, anmything free#
[21:58] <eagles0513875> CrytoViral: that is from dmesg 
[21:58] <CrytoViral> it does see the usb#
[21:59] <CrytoViral> just not the file system 
[21:59] <CrytoViral> so i thinkk whatever youre using is corrupting the file system
[21:59] <eagles0513875> ok that makes no sense wouldnt windows and mac osx not be able to see it as well
[21:59] <eagles0513875> all im using are the built in formatting tools which are included with the respective systems
[22:00] <eagles0513875> how can i determine its mount point CrytoViral
[22:00] <CrytoViral> its the only thing i can think of, we can try another tool to rule it out 
[22:03] <eagles0513875> bah this is frustrating CrytoViral :( 
[22:03] <CrytoViral> i cant really understand why it wouldnt detect it
[22:05] <eagles0513875> i wonder could it be somethign relating to a kernel issue 
[22:05] <eagles0513875> let me try something
[22:05] <ikonia> kernel issues ???
[22:05] <ikonia> eagles0513875: what are you actually trying to do 
[22:05] <ikonia> (clearly)
[22:10] <eagles0513875> ikonia: for some reason 13.04 is not detecting my pen drives
[22:10] <eagles0513875> yet windows and mac osx detect them just fine
[22:11] <ikonia> eagles0513875: define detecting them, at what level 
[22:11] <eagles0513875> ikonia: in other words not mounting them sudo fdisk -l doesnt show it /media doesnt show the device there the first pastbin is showing that the system is detecting it but it seems like it doesnt recognize the file system
[22:11] <ikonia> eagles0513875: ok, so mounting is the problem
[22:12] <ikonia> eagles0513875: first question, what partition table format is on the devices ?
[22:12] <eagles0513875> fat32
[22:12] <ikonia> no, that'a a file system
[22:12] <ikonia> re-read the questin
[22:12] <eagles0513875> ikonia: they just have a single partition
[22:12] <ikonia> no, re-read the question
[22:13] <eagles0513875> ikonia: i didnt specify anything as i used the default settings when i reformatted the device using the windows format tool
[22:13] <ikonia> eagles0513875: you must know what partition format you put on the devices
[22:13] <ikonia> this is basic stuff
[22:13] <eagles0513875> you mean block size and that sort of stuff?
[22:13] <ikonia> no
[22:14] <ikonia> is it an msdos partition table, gpt, bsd etc
[22:14] <eagles0513875> msdos 
[22:14] <ikonia> ok, great
[22:14] <ikonia> how big is the pen drive 
[22:14] <eagles0513875> one is 4gb the other 16
[22:14] <ikonia> ok, so sane sizes, good
[22:15] <ikonia> clear your syslog, tail it, put one on, do you see anything
[22:15] <ikonia> put one "in" sorry
[22:16] <eagles0513875> there is one line im noticing which is suspicious
[22:16] <ikonia> from a clean syslog ?
[22:17] <eagles0513875> yes 
[22:17] <eagles0513875> http://pastebin.com/UUNf8Epu
[22:17] <eagles0513875> from when i inserted the pen drive
[22:18] <ikonia> so it sees the device, which is good
[22:18] <eagles0513875> correct
[22:18] <ikonia> looks like it doesn't see it as a disk though
[22:19] <eagles0513875> that is correct 
[22:19] <eagles0513875> if i do a sudo fdisk -l all i see is the 2tb hard disk where the os is installed
[22:19] <ikonia> also what is device 4 that it disconnects, is that the re-checking of the same device or a different device
[22:19] <ikonia> format fdisk -l, 
[22:19] <ikonia> oops
[22:19] <ikonia> forget fdisk -l 
[22:19] <ikonia> you're not at that level yet
[22:19] <eagles0513875> thats the thing i dont know what device 4 is
[22:20] <eagles0513875> the only thing that i unplugged was the usb device
[22:21] <ikonia> thats fine - it's re-scanning the same device
[22:21] <ikonia> so basically it's not detecting it as a hard disk, we need to fix that
[22:21] <eagles0513875> correct
[22:21] <ikonia> first check lsusb, it should be seen there without issue
[22:22] <eagles0513875> correct
[22:23] <ikonia> look at the udev rules, and grep for mtp-probe, one of those rules is a "catch all" rule for not full identified devices, identify that rule, see what pattern it's matching
[22:23] <ikonia> once you've done that, create a manual rule providing more detail than the catch all pattern matching so it doesn't get hit with the catch all rule
[22:24] <eagles0513875> ikonia: you will need to walk me through this if you dont mind as i have never had to do this before
[22:24] <ikonia> eagles0513875: it's not as hard as it sounds
[22:24] <eagles0513875> ok
[22:24] <ikonia> grep the udev rules for mpt-probe, these are all the rules that trigger mpt-probe (which is what your usb device is doing)
[22:25] <ikonia> you'll see the patterns they match eg: 00, 04, 05, aa
[22:25] <ikonia> see what's matching against your device, eg: 004783474 - it would be the "00" that's matching
[22:25] <ikonia> then make a new rule for for a disk, with 004783474 as the identifier
[22:26] <ikonia> that way it matching 004783474 and makes a disk, rather than the "00" of 004783474 and tries to run mpt-probe
[22:26] <ikonia> it's basically just pattern matching
[22:28] <eagles0513875> ok question for you ikonia last time i used these pen drives on this system everythign worked fine what could have changed in udev since then?
[22:29] <ikonia> a rule update ? device id update ?
[22:29] <eagles0513875> ok 
[22:29] <ikonia> (at a guess)
[22:29] <ikonia> you may know more / be able to work it out more when you find the udev trigger for it
[22:30] <eagles0513875> ok
[22:33] <eagles0513875> ok i dont think i found the right thing ikonia
[22:33] <ikonia> not found any mpt-probes ?
[22:34] <eagles0513875> no there is only one but its in /lib/udev
[22:34] <eagles0513875> and is nothing but digits which has to be viewed with od
[22:34] <ikonia> where are you looking ?
[22:35] <eagles0513875> in the above mentioned location. ill be honest and stright forward with you im horrible with regex
[22:36] <ikonia> the rules are in /lib/udev/rules.d
[22:38] <eagles0513875> ok i found the file let me check in there :) 
[22:38] <eagles0513875> thanks to the arch forums actually
[22:38] <ikonia> a good source of info, just remember arch can do things different
[22:39] <eagles0513875> ikonia: i know i did put me in the right direction as to the location of the file
[22:39] <ikonia> its multiple files, just so you know
[22:39] <ikonia> there should be more than 1 rules file
[22:40] <eagles0513875> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6076809/ that is one of them
[22:41] <ikonia> thats it, you get the idea
[22:41] <eagles0513875> that seems to be the only one
[22:41] <eagles0513875> and its not finding anything in there for the device
[22:42] <eagles0513875> ikonia: these are the other files 
[22:42] <ikonia> nothing for mtd ?
[22:42] <eagles0513875> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6076818/
[22:42] <eagles0513875> ikonia: there is but you said mpt
[22:42] <ikonia> sorry, typo, mtd
[22:43] <ikonia> 75-probe-mtd looks a good starter
[22:43] <eagles0513875> # do not edit this file, it will be overwritten on update  ACTION!="add", GOTO="mtd_probe_end"  KERNEL=="mtd*ro", IMPORT{program}="mtd_probe $tempnode" KERNEL=="mtd*ro", ENV{MTD_FTL}=="smartmedia", RUN+="/sbin/modprobe -bv sm_ftl"  LABEL="mtd_probe_end" 
[22:43] <ikonia> back shortly, but you get the idea
[22:43] <eagles0513875> thats all there is in that file
[22:43] <ikonia> eagles0513875: check others
[22:44] <ikonia> but you get the idea.....
[22:44] <eagles0513875> ok ill brb
[22:51] <eagles0513875> ikonia: seems it has somethign to do with the partition table
[22:52] <eagles0513875> on creating a bootable usb and trying to boot on it im getting a missing operating system error
[22:59] <eagles0513875> ikonia: this might be of interest to us Sep  8 00:58:54 EagleEye mtp-probe: checking bus 1, device 7: "/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb1/1-4" Sep  8 00:58:54 EagleEye mtp-probe: bus: 1, device: 7 was not an MTP device