[01:18] <rcythr> Has anyone here managed to get multithreading working with gcc-4.8 using the package from Saucy? I've tried everything I can think of and g++ refuses to link pthreads. It acts as if it's linking a single threaded lib instead of the multithread one
[03:18] <Daekdroom> Barely one month left till release and update-manager -d still doesn't work in my 13.04 install >:(
[03:20] <ChogyDan> what happened?
[03:22] <Daekdroom> It crashes.
[03:22] <Daekdroom> And I can't even manage to report it, for some reason.
[03:23] <Daekdroom> (although it might be related with bug #929399)
[03:25] <Daekdroom> Eh, hm.. apparently not. My bug is trigged in a different way.
[03:25] <Daekdroom> I'll figure out a way to report my issue tomorrow. I need some sleep.
[04:21] <LinuxGold> I'm running Ubuntu Server 13.04 and upgraded to kernel 3.11.0-996, getting error i2c i2c-3 sendbytes: NAK bailout in console
[05:01] <punzilla> hi all
[05:02] <punzilla> my system randomly freezes when installing applications.
[05:03] <punzilla> It may commence the install, though it reaches a point, whereby I can't move my mouse.
[05:03] <punzilla> and I am required to turn off the PC.
[05:03] <LinuxGold> what Ubuntu version?
[05:03] <punzilla> are there any logs that I can check to assist me to diagnose the problem.
[05:03] <punzilla> 13.10
[05:08] <punzilla> is there anything i can look at or any other information i can provide
[06:39] <punzilla> Hi there,
[06:39] <punzilla> Can I please have some assistance.
[06:39] <punzilla> I am using Ubuntu 13.10
[06:40] <punzilla> and I have auto login enabled, though usually I'm prompted with an option to 'unlock keyring'
[06:40] <punzilla> though today I haven't. So my Ubuntu just randomly logs itself out. It just did that now.
[06:40] <punzilla> Could these issues be related to each other?
[06:40] <wilee-nilee> punzilla, Have you confirmed thew hardware is up to running ubuntu, and why are you running a development 5 weeks still till release?
[06:41] <wilee-nilee> the*
[06:41] <punzilla> I've been running development for 1 or two months.
[06:42] <punzilla> yes I believe so... Recently I have upgraded my graphics card, and also the drivers.
[06:43] <wilee-nilee> that answers neither question, why don't you just reinstall with that much of a problem set?
[06:44] <punzilla> Why am I running development - just to learn and play around with upcoming features. Is my hardware supported. Yes
[06:45] <punzilla> re-installation - if I can avoid it I will, I would prefer to keep my OS if necessary and try and report any issues to contribute, and also learn.
[06:45] <punzilla> Worst case scenario - I will re-install - a supported version though - not development.
[06:46] <wilee-nilee> If you had a problem that was maybe a bug others might be experiencing, you might get help, its not really worth the time for most helpers here to triage what appears to most likely be from your tweaks. Make a new account make sure it is an admin and see if the same things happen would be a good start.
[06:47] <punzilla> ok sure, I take your advice onboard.
[06:47] <punzilla> I'll give it a try.
[06:47] <wilee-nilee> I understand the want to contribute you just have to be ralistic is all.
[06:47] <wilee-nilee> realistic.
[06:48] <punzilla> sure, I understand.
[07:20] <QwertyKb> I installed 13.10 and during installation the manual partitioner detected what is normally sda as sdb and vice versa. I installed to sdb and now on booting it takes me to grub rescue prompt, how can I fix this?
[07:22] <QwertyKb> I'm using UEFI
[11:33] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:34] <penguin42> Hey BK
[11:35] <BluesKaj> what's up penguin42
[11:36] <penguin42> not much yet, got a bunch of things to do - I bought a pair of quad port gigE cards to put in my router and need to do those later and get rid of the switch off my desk
[11:39] <BluesKaj> ok , which brand cards and router ?
[11:40] <BluesKaj> I'm curious , because I don't much about consumer routers
[11:40] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Pair of Intel cards off eBAY, and the router is a PC
[11:40] <BluesKaj> oh , ok :)
[11:41] <penguin42> fanless low-speed celeron board with ssd
[11:41] <BluesKaj> wondewed ther for a sec penguin42
[11:41] <BluesKaj> err wondered
[11:41] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Last week or so I replaced the Pentium 90 that had been doing the job for the last decade :-)
[11:42] <BluesKaj> cool :)
[11:45] <BluesKaj> so what kind of OS /software did you use in the router?
[11:45] <monkeyjuice> was wondering the same thing ;)
[11:47] <BluesKaj> probly any OS would do ...windows ?
[11:48] <monkeyjuice> will dd-wrt run on a harddrive?
[11:50] <BluesKaj> looks like flash only
[11:51] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Well I'm running Ubuntu server with nating and firewalling via smoothwall and some ssh tunneling via a few scripts I set up
[11:52] <penguin42> BluesKaj: The cheapest storage device I could get for it was a 64GB SSD so there are no space problems, and the cheapest RAM I could get was 2GB so there is plenty of RAM!
[11:53]  * BluesKaj nods , sounds like a serious gateway server , penguin42
[11:53] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Having a full Linux on there means I can do arbitrary firewalling and NATing between any random set of the ports and ssh port tunneling to whereever I want; e.g. now I'm on a non-fixed IP I have a port 25 tunnel to another box
[11:54] <penguin42> BluesKaj: A number of people said I could actually do what I wanted with some of the more powerful little home routers with replacement firmwares, they may be right
[12:01] <BluesKaj> having your own gateway/server gives you more flexibility than a consumer type router , correct ?
[12:34] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Yeh, although if you can run Linux on the consumer type ones then possibly it doesn't make much odds
[13:47] <penguin42> *!?$ card doesn't fit
[14:01] <schreber> Anyone having issues adding a printer to 13.10 Xubuntu wherein the add dialog box does not appear
[14:09] <brainwash> after resuming from suspend network-manager indicates that "networking is disabled"
[14:09] <brainwash> can anyone confirm this behavior?
[14:11] <brainwash> oh, it's actually an "ancient" bug
[14:11] <brainwash> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1184262
[14:22] <ChogyDan> brainwash: did the workaround work?
[14:24] <ChogyDan> brainwash: I go get that bug, but usually there is some other crash that shows up in dmesg
[14:24] <ChogyDan> networkmanager always craps out for me, whenever there is some other dbus issue
[14:25] <brainwash> didn't try anything yet to get it working yet, only encounter it once so far (first suspend/resume after upgrading to 13.10 just yesterday)
[14:26] <brainwash> oh dammit, some ugly typos, sorry
[14:27] <BluesKaj> brainwash:  wifi or ethernet ?
[14:28] <BluesKaj> oh , from suspend , missed that , wifi then , dunno much about that]
[14:29] <brainwash> BluesKaj: I assume wifi and ethernet should be affected
[14:30] <brainwash> if "networking is disabled"
[14:31] <brainwash> so some bug reports (counting the duplicates) have been filed
[14:31] <penguin42> brainwash: I'd check it's really nm's fault, and things like the kernel modules for the network cards have been loaded and found the devices after the suspend
[14:31] <BluesKaj> dunno , I use ethernet almost exclusively , until my daughter returns my laptop I can't experiment :(
[14:31] <penguin42> BluesKaj: It's good to be able to follow the wire....
[14:32] <BluesKaj> penguin42:  yeah , but I don't use NM on ethernet anyway
[14:32] <brainwash> maybe it's caused by some upstart shenanigans
[14:38] <bhavesh> I just found that the text I type while renaming a file on desktop in invisible. I search Launchpad Bugs but couldn't find a similar bug report.
[14:38] <bhavesh> Could someone confirm that so I could post a new bug?
[14:39] <bhavesh> searched*
[15:02] <brainwash> this time network-manager keeps working as expected after suspend/resume
[15:02] <penguin42> brainwash: It sounds like a race condition of some sort
[15:03] <brainwash> penguin42: you might be right
[15:03] <penguin42> brainwash: I'd suggest you need to try and find what's going on during the failed state
[15:05] <brainwash> penguin42: I'll investigate this misbehavior, maybe it's caused by one of my suspend/resume hooks
[15:05] <brainwash> resulting in some delay
[15:06] <penguin42> brainwash: Yeh I'm not sure what the details are, but I can imagine something like NM starting before the wifi module gets loaded/finds the device could confuse it
[15:12] <ali1234> is bug 1204036 fixed for anyone?
[15:13] <brainwash> ali1234: wouldn't the bug report inform you about a potential fix?
[15:14] <ali1234> no
[15:14] <ali1234> it might have been fixed but nobody updated the bug
[15:14] <ali1234> this happens a lot
[15:24] <penguin42> especially if there were say 2 or 3 dupes of it but no one noticed that one
[15:29] <ali1234> so, is it fixed for anyone? all you got to do is put the mouse over the sound icon and wheel up/down...
[15:29] <ali1234> i can't test it because i'm on xfce and i don't know if the indicator-applet there is even passing through the wheel events or not
[15:29] <penguin42> ditto, I'm on KDE
[15:30] <ali1234> is anyone at all using unity? ;P
[15:33] <ali1234> penguin42: do you use the KDE indicator plasmoid? (or whatever applets are called there)
[15:34] <penguin42> ali1234: Hmm I've got the standard set of stuff on the panel - what's the indicator ?
[15:36] <ali1234> not sure. i just saw it in synaptic the other day. it looks like it's not a full implementation, just indicator-messaging
[15:37] <penguin42> ok, hang on - what would you expect it to do ?
[15:38] <penguin42> bonus points for package name since I can't obviously see it
[15:39] <ali1234> it's not what i thought it was
[15:39] <ali1234> i thought it was a full indicator implementation but it's just indicator-messages so it won't actually do anything useful
[15:40] <ali1234> i just wondered if it would support indicator-ng, but it won't (it doesn't do that at all)
[15:41]  * penguin42 has a plasmoid called notifications that does all the normal notifications - but I don't know whether that shares the protocol with information
[15:41] <ali1234> notifications are nothing to do with indicators
[15:42] <penguin42> ok so what's indicators - is that the stuff that shows mail etc?
[15:42] <ali1234> yeah
[15:42] <ali1234> it's the thing that replaces the "tray"
[15:43] <ali1234> which gnome called the notification area, just to be confusing
[15:43] <ali1234> but unity notifications = notify-osd, the pop up bubbles
[15:45] <penguin42> it's really sad that they've broken compatibility there; I wish that was just done as an addition
[15:46] <ali1234> compatibility with what?
[15:46] <penguin42> apps for anything but unity that added stuff to the tray
[15:46] <penguin42> and then anything other than unity that wants to run Ubuntu apps
[15:46] <ali1234> gnome doesn't use the old notifications any more either, and neither KDE
[15:47]  * penguin42 looks at his KDE - still has a tray here, still has all my things in the tray
[15:47]  * penguin42 still has a notifications thing
[15:47] <ali1234> yeah, unity also still has a tray
[15:47] <ali1234> so does gnome
[15:47] <ali1234> but only stuff like skype uses it
[15:48] <ali1234> the tray is horribly broken, it can't duplicate itself across monitors
[15:48] <ali1234> it also can't be themed
[15:49] <ali1234> gnome shell got rid of the idea entirely and only has the old compatibility, which is hidden in that weird bottom panel thing
[15:50] <ali1234> unity puts the old type icons next to the indicators on the panel, but there's a whitelist
[15:50] <ali1234> KDE - i dunno what KDE does, probably not anything intelligent
[15:50] <ali1234> gnome classic/mate/xfce all have plugins for both the old way and the new way
[15:56] <penguin42> ali1234: I thought current Unity had killed off the tray altogether and got rid of any compatibility with the tray
[15:56] <ali1234> depends what you mean by "current"
[15:56] <penguin42> I meant as of raring
[15:56] <ali1234> no
[15:57] <ali1234> it's still needed for skype
[15:57] <BluesKaj> pe didn't see a sys tray in unity on 13.10
[15:57] <BluesKaj> penguin42: ^
[15:58] <BluesKaj> if there was one I missed it :)
[15:58] <ali1234> how would you even see it?
[15:58] <ali1234> it's not there unless something puts an icon in it - something that is whitelisted
[15:59] <BluesKaj> no defaultapps like kde has ?
[15:59] <ali1234> all the "defaults" use indicators
[16:00] <BluesKaj> no matter I didn't use it long enough , it wasn't my cuppa tea
[16:04] <ali1234> i guess i have to make a live usb to test this...
[16:05] <penguin42> or a vm, unity is justabout usable in a VM these days
[16:06] <ali1234> not sure if mouse wheel passes through to a vm
[16:07] <penguin42> ah hmm
[16:08] <BluesKaj> penguin42:  i couldn't get the guest additions to install in VB with Ubuntu/Unity , no matter what I tried ,they appeared to install with cli , but weren't recognized by the VB
[16:08] <penguin42> hang on I'll boot my VM
[16:09] <BluesKaj> penguin42:  any idea what i missed ?
[16:09] <penguin42> BluesKaj: No, I run KVM not VB
[16:09] <BluesKaj> ok
[16:11] <penguin42> hmm, my saucy vm doesn't have a mixer
[16:19] <penguin42> hmm why does my saucy vm have 3.9 rather than 3.11?
[16:25] <penguin42> nope, scroll wheel doesn't work on it
[16:26] <penguin42> BluesKaj: What kernel does your saucy have?
[16:26] <ali1234> silly vboxdrv rebooted my computer for no reason when the module loaded
[16:26]  * penguin42 pats his kvm
[16:27] <ali1234> vbox *uses* kvm
[16:27]  * penguin42 pats his qemu-kvm
[16:27] <alankila> afaik it has its own drivers. Has this changed?
[16:27]  * alankila hasn't run virtualbox on linux for years
[16:28] <ali1234> it can use either afaik
[16:28] <penguin42> ali1234: Well I've confirmed that in my kvm guest it's getting scroll events but the mixer isn't changing
[16:28] <ali1234> it just can't use them both at the same time
[16:28] <penguin42> ali1234: What's vboxdrv then if it's using kvm?
[16:29] <ali1234> beats me
[16:30] <penguin42> ali1234: I can imagine it might be using the same vmx instructions in the chip, but if it's needing it's own kernel module I doubt it's using the kernel's kvm infrastructure
[16:31] <ali1234> that's the thing: it doesn't need to use vboxdrv
[16:31] <penguin42> oh
[16:31] <ali1234> it can use kvm-amd as well or whatever it's called
[16:31] <ali1234> but you can't have vboxdrv and kvm-amd loaded at the same time
[16:31] <ali1234> well, you can, but one of them won't work properly
[16:31] <penguin42> ali1234: On a different matter, what kernel have you got?
[16:31] <ali1234> and vbox can;t run windows guests on kvm
[16:31] <ali1234> 3.11.0-4-generic
[16:32] <penguin42> hmm, so wth has my vm not getting it
[16:33] <ali1234> maybe cos it's using a different kernel, because it's in a vm?
[16:34] <penguin42> hmm no, it's on generic
[16:34] <ali1234> wrong install media?
[16:34] <penguin42> hmm, just dist-upgrade and it's pulling a load of packages again
[16:37] <brainwash> penguin42: network-manager keeps working just fine, even after 3 more suspend/resume cycles
[16:40] <penguin42> brainwash: OK, so it only fails when you're not trying to find the problem
[16:43]  * penguin42 reboots vm and finds there are no indicators left all
[16:44] <penguin42> oh there it is - it's just disagreeing about res
[16:47] <penguin42> ali1234: So the scroll whell works if you click on the mixer and the menu shows the slider if you use the scroll wheel over the slider it works
[16:47] <ali1234> yeah
[18:54] <brainwash> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-intel/tree/NEWS
[18:54] <brainwash> bad news
[18:56] <Zoiaguyver> Not really, just means Ubuntu keeps going on its own, just goes to prove why Canonical don't support upstream as much as they could
[18:58]  * penguin42 wonders why it needs output drivers
[18:58] <Zoiaguyver> I mean who exactly are the "management" in whats mean't to be an "opensource" project
[18:59] <Zoiaguyver> Well in a sense from what i've saw it doesn't unless it is the binary blobs
[19:00] <penguin42> well I meant why does it need changes in the upstream drivers
[19:00] <penguin42> Zoiaguyver: I'm assuming the maintainers of that code
[19:00] <Zoiaguyver> I'm not sure I think it was more about SNA support from reading the posts
[19:01] <Zoiaguyver> but from what they say they are gonna support SNA but not the Xmir specific stuff, kinda weird
[19:02]  * penguin42 thought SNA was the new thing anyway so I don't quite get that
[19:02] <Zoiaguyver> penguin42: It is thats whats confusing..
[19:03] <ali1234> wat
[19:03] <Zoiaguyver> The comment posted with it is more like a school yard dig cause someone stole Waylands rattle lol
[19:03] <ali1234> why would they add it and then remove it?
[19:03] <ali1234> derp
[19:03] <Zoiaguyver> Because as they said "The management" told them to
[19:03] <penguin42> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/intel-gfx/2013-July/030657.html
[19:04] <ali1234> that's lame
[19:05] <penguin42> well the other side of it is that Canonical are asking the maintainers to put something in their patch set and not break it, so it's something they have to keep working
[19:05] <penguin42> and for only Canonical's benefit
[19:06] <ali1234> that whole "it's extra work" thing is just a lame excuse and always has been
[19:06] <penguin42> no, it's a big thing
[19:06] <penguin42> ali1234: look at that patch, it's not exactly self contained, it's all over with ifdef's
[19:07] <ali1234> it's one file and a few hooks
[19:07] <penguin42> ali1234: I don't know enough about why mir needed it, but you'd think they would have put  a more generic chunk of infrastructure in rather than making it mir specific in each driver
[19:08] <Zoiaguyver> Because they want to keep it backwards compatible with older stuff
[19:08] <ali1234> this is about xmir, not mir
[19:09] <ali1234> anyway, refusing to carry a patch because it would make 5 minutes extra work for you, and when not carrying it means several hours extra work for someone else - is a lame choice in my opinion
[19:10] <penguin42> ali1234: No, that's naive - it's the work that they've got to do in the future, not the merge time
[19:10] <ali1234> the work they have to do in the future = 5 minutes
[19:10] <ali1234> vs the work someone else has to do every time they do a new release = several hours
[19:11] <ali1234> maintaining code is much much easier than having to patch it in every single time
[19:11] <Zoiaguyver> Canonical will just do it themselves, they prob been expecting it seeing as how mir was pretty much spat on from the start
[19:11] <ali1234> this is why everyone loses with "opinionated" design
[19:12] <Zoiaguyver> They already keep Upstart and Unity going without any help really (apart from the community). Mir will end up being the same
[19:12] <ali1234> what it really means is "i will minimize my workload even if it means 10x more work for everyone else"
[19:12] <penguin42> Zoiaguyver: Well it depends, fortunately the use of Nux died off and they went back to Qrt
[19:12] <penguin42> Qt
[19:12] <ali1234> and when everyone does it, it just makes everyone's job that much harder
[19:13] <penguin42> ali1234: Without knowing enough it's hard to say - my reading of that patch is it's quite intrusive and specific to Mir, I think if they had something that was less Mir specific to the driver then they'd have a better chance
[19:14] <Zoiaguyver> Well for me atleast all it is doing is making me less interested in anything Wayland, X.org or Intel come up with lol
[19:15] <penguin42> it's making me think about ditching Ubuntu
[19:15] <ali1234> i'm quite happy to continue using xorg and nvidia proprietary driver
[19:15] <ali1234> i don't see any benefit to wayland or mir
[19:16] <Zoiaguyver> It will probably make a lot feel like that
[19:16] <penguin42> ali1234: I don't know enough about them, I don't think it's a bad thing for people to try other approaches and it certainly feels from both sides like there is a back log of things people know need fixing in X
[19:17] <Zoiaguyver> Well tbh they both have a use, they are both aimed to replace a 26 year old program that is doing more than it was ever meant to do
[19:17] <penguin42> nod
[19:18] <Zoiaguyver> Plus over the years X.org has picked up so much extra crap that isn't needed
[19:18] <penguin42> fortunately I think the X Printer server is about dead....
[19:18] <Zoiaguyver> lol
[19:18] <Zoiaguyver> yeah but its still hanging on (or atleast the code :p)
[19:19] <Zoiaguyver> But much of that from what I've read is down to X themselves with the "must not break backwards compatibility" ethos
[19:20] <penguin42> Zoiaguyver: Well yeh I guess it depends what you're running, I know people still running Motif apps
[19:20] <penguin42> heck less than 5 years ago I knew someone who was desperate to get OpenLook's terminal emulator working for an application they used every day
[19:20] <Zoiaguyver> Openlook...
[19:21] <Zoiaguyver> Now thats a blast from the past. You would think some of this stuff was dead and buried long ago lol
[19:21] <ali1234> i regularly use xterm because it supports bitmap fonts and doesn't try to do subpixel antialiasing
[19:28] <penguin42> you can turn the antialiasing off globally can't you?
[19:29] <ali1234> i don't want to turn it off globally though
[19:29] <ali1234> sometimes i just need to display bitmap fonts with pixel accuracy
[21:59] <DoYouKnow> hi. I am having an issue where gfortran is interpreting GNU-style block comments as program code
[21:59] <DoYouKnow> is there a workaround?
[22:04] <penguin42> DoYouKnow: There's quite a variety of gcc versions available on +1, I'd try one of the others
[22:04] <penguin42> 4.4,4.6,4.7,4.8 all seem to be there
[22:07] <DoYouKnow> no matter what version I try I get the same issue
[22:07] <DoYouKnow> I even tried the portland compiler, and this exact file worked on another linux
[22:08] <DoYouKnow> I'm baffled
[22:08] <DoYouKnow> err
[22:08] <DoYouKnow> not portland, I mean ifort
[22:08] <DoYouKnow> intel
[22:11] <DoYouKnow> I must be missing some compilation periphery tool
[22:11] <penguin42> doesn't know Fortran, so can't help much
[22:11] <penguin42> DoYouKnow: if gfortran is like gcc it does take some options to specify the language version, so maybe you need to pass something
[22:17] <DoYouKnow> penguin42: I am trying to compile WRF
[22:18] <DoYouKnow> first character gfortran doesn't like is the * in /*
[22:18] <DoYouKnow> in a block comment in an f90 file
[22:18] <DoYouKnow> invalid character in name at (1)
[22:25] <DoYouKnow> quit