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rcythrHas anyone here managed to get multithreading working with gcc-4.8 using the package from Saucy? I've tried everything I can think of and g++ refuses to link pthreads. It acts as if it's linking a single threaded lib instead of the multithread one01:18
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DaekdroomBarely one month left till release and update-manager -d still doesn't work in my 13.04 install >:(03:18
ChogyDanwhat happened?03:20
DaekdroomIt crashes.03:22
DaekdroomAnd I can't even manage to report it, for some reason.03:22
Daekdroom(although it might be related with bug #929399)03:23
ubottubug 929399 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "do-release-upgrade crashed with UnicodeDecodeError in __main__: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 36: ordinal not in range(128)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92939903:23
DaekdroomEh, hm.. apparently not. My bug is trigged in a different way.03:25
DaekdroomI'll figure out a way to report my issue tomorrow. I need some sleep.03:25
LinuxGoldI'm running Ubuntu Server 13.04 and upgraded to kernel 3.11.0-996, getting error i2c i2c-3 sendbytes: NAK bailout in console04:21
punzillahi all05:01
punzillamy system randomly freezes when installing applications.05:02
punzillaIt may commence the install, though it reaches a point, whereby I can't move my mouse.05:03
punzillaand I am required to turn off the PC.05:03
LinuxGoldwhat Ubuntu version?05:03
punzillaare there any logs that I can check to assist me to diagnose the problem.05:03
punzilla13.1005:03
punzillais there anything i can look at or any other information i can provide05:08
punzillaHi there,06:39
punzillaCan I please have some assistance.06:39
punzillaI am using Ubuntu 13.1006:39
punzillaand I have auto login enabled, though usually I'm prompted with an option to 'unlock keyring'06:40
punzillathough today I haven't. So my Ubuntu just randomly logs itself out. It just did that now.06:40
punzillaCould these issues be related to each other?06:40
wilee-nileepunzilla, Have you confirmed thew hardware is up to running ubuntu, and why are you running a development 5 weeks still till release?06:40
wilee-nileethe*06:41
punzillaI've been running development for 1 or two months.06:41
punzillayes I believe so... Recently I have upgraded my graphics card, and also the drivers.06:42
wilee-nileethat answers neither question, why don't you just reinstall with that much of a problem set?06:43
punzillaWhy am I running development - just to learn and play around with upcoming features. Is my hardware supported. Yes06:44
punzillare-installation - if I can avoid it I will, I would prefer to keep my OS if necessary and try and report any issues to contribute, and also learn.06:45
punzillaWorst case scenario - I will re-install - a supported version though - not development.06:45
wilee-nileeIf you had a problem that was maybe a bug others might be experiencing, you might get help, its not really worth the time for most helpers here to triage what appears to most likely be from your tweaks. Make a new account make sure it is an admin and see if the same things happen would be a good start.06:46
punzillaok sure, I take your advice onboard.06:47
punzillaI'll give it a try.06:47
wilee-nileeI understand the want to contribute you just have to be ralistic is all.06:47
wilee-nileerealistic.06:47
punzillasure, I understand.06:48
QwertyKbI installed 13.10 and during installation the manual partitioner detected what is normally sda as sdb and vice versa. I installed to sdb and now on booting it takes me to grub rescue prompt, how can I fix this?07:20
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QwertyKbI'm using UEFI07:22
BluesKaj'Morning all11:33
penguin42Hey BK11:34
BluesKajwhat's up penguin4211:35
penguin42not much yet, got a bunch of things to do - I bought a pair of quad port gigE cards to put in my router and need to do those later and get rid of the switch off my desk11:36
BluesKajok , which brand cards and router ?11:39
BluesKajI'm curious , because I don't much about consumer routers11:40
penguin42BluesKaj: Pair of Intel cards off eBAY, and the router is a PC11:40
BluesKajoh , ok :)11:40
penguin42fanless low-speed celeron board with ssd11:41
BluesKajwondewed ther for a sec penguin4211:41
BluesKajerr wondered11:41
penguin42BluesKaj: Last week or so I replaced the Pentium 90 that had been doing the job for the last decade :-)11:41
BluesKajcool :)11:42
BluesKajso what kind of OS /software did you use in the router?11:45
monkeyjuicewas wondering the same thing ;)11:45
BluesKajprobly any OS would do ...windows ?11:47
monkeyjuicewill dd-wrt run on a harddrive?11:48
BluesKajlooks like flash only11:50
penguin42BluesKaj: Well I'm running Ubuntu server with nating and firewalling via smoothwall and some ssh tunneling via a few scripts I set up11:51
penguin42BluesKaj: The cheapest storage device I could get for it was a 64GB SSD so there are no space problems, and the cheapest RAM I could get was 2GB so there is plenty of RAM!11:52
* BluesKaj nods , sounds like a serious gateway server , penguin4211:53
penguin42BluesKaj: Having a full Linux on there means I can do arbitrary firewalling and NATing between any random set of the ports and ssh port tunneling to whereever I want; e.g. now I'm on a non-fixed IP I have a port 25 tunnel to another box11:53
penguin42BluesKaj: A number of people said I could actually do what I wanted with some of the more powerful little home routers with replacement firmwares, they may be right11:54
BluesKajhaving your own gateway/server gives you more flexibility than a consumer type router , correct ?12:01
penguin42BluesKaj: Yeh, although if you can run Linux on the consumer type ones then possibly it doesn't make much odds12:34
penguin42*!?$ card doesn't fit13:47
schreberAnyone having issues adding a printer to 13.10 Xubuntu wherein the add dialog box does not appear14:01
brainwashafter resuming from suspend network-manager indicates that "networking is disabled"14:09
brainwashcan anyone confirm this behavior?14:09
brainwashoh, it's actually an "ancient" bug14:11
brainwashhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/118426214:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1184262 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "network-manager has decided that networking is disabled, cannot be re-enabled from lightdm" [High,Confirmed]14:11
ChogyDanbrainwash: did the workaround work?14:22
ChogyDanbrainwash: I go get that bug, but usually there is some other crash that shows up in dmesg14:24
ChogyDannetworkmanager always craps out for me, whenever there is some other dbus issue14:24
brainwashdidn't try anything yet to get it working yet, only encounter it once so far (first suspend/resume after upgrading to 13.10 just yesterday)14:25
brainwashoh dammit, some ugly typos, sorry14:26
BluesKajbrainwash:  wifi or ethernet ?14:27
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BluesKajoh , from suspend , missed that , wifi then , dunno much about that]14:28
brainwashBluesKaj: I assume wifi and ethernet should be affected14:29
brainwashif "networking is disabled"14:30
brainwashso some bug reports (counting the duplicates) have been filed14:31
penguin42brainwash: I'd check it's really nm's fault, and things like the kernel modules for the network cards have been loaded and found the devices after the suspend14:31
BluesKajdunno , I use ethernet almost exclusively , until my daughter returns my laptop I can't experiment :(14:31
penguin42BluesKaj: It's good to be able to follow the wire....14:31
BluesKajpenguin42:  yeah , but I don't use NM on ethernet anyway14:32
brainwashmaybe it's caused by some upstart shenanigans14:32
bhaveshI just found that the text I type while renaming a file on desktop in invisible. I search Launchpad Bugs but couldn't find a similar bug report.14:38
bhaveshCould someone confirm that so I could post a new bug?14:38
bhaveshsearched*14:39
brainwashthis time network-manager keeps working as expected after suspend/resume15:02
penguin42brainwash: It sounds like a race condition of some sort15:02
brainwashpenguin42: you might be right15:03
penguin42brainwash: I'd suggest you need to try and find what's going on during the failed state15:03
brainwashpenguin42: I'll investigate this misbehavior, maybe it's caused by one of my suspend/resume hooks15:05
brainwashresulting in some delay15:05
penguin42brainwash: Yeh I'm not sure what the details are, but I can imagine something like NM starting before the wifi module gets loaded/finds the device could confuse it15:06
ali1234is bug 1204036 fixed for anyone?15:12
ubottubug 1204036 in indicator-sound (Ubuntu Saucy) "[Regression]Mouse wheel to change volume stopped working on Saucy" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120403615:12
brainwashali1234: wouldn't the bug report inform you about a potential fix?15:13
ali1234no15:14
ali1234it might have been fixed but nobody updated the bug15:14
ali1234this happens a lot15:14
penguin42especially if there were say 2 or 3 dupes of it but no one noticed that one15:24
ali1234so, is it fixed for anyone? all you got to do is put the mouse over the sound icon and wheel up/down...15:29
ali1234i can't test it because i'm on xfce and i don't know if the indicator-applet there is even passing through the wheel events or not15:29
penguin42ditto, I'm on KDE15:29
ali1234is anyone at all using unity? ;P15:30
ali1234penguin42: do you use the KDE indicator plasmoid? (or whatever applets are called there)15:33
penguin42ali1234: Hmm I've got the standard set of stuff on the panel - what's the indicator ?15:34
ali1234not sure. i just saw it in synaptic the other day. it looks like it's not a full implementation, just indicator-messaging15:36
penguin42ok, hang on - what would you expect it to do ?15:37
penguin42bonus points for package name since I can't obviously see it15:38
ali1234it's not what i thought it was15:39
ali1234i thought it was a full indicator implementation but it's just indicator-messages so it won't actually do anything useful15:39
ali1234i just wondered if it would support indicator-ng, but it won't (it doesn't do that at all)15:40
* penguin42 has a plasmoid called notifications that does all the normal notifications - but I don't know whether that shares the protocol with information15:41
ali1234notifications are nothing to do with indicators15:41
penguin42ok so what's indicators - is that the stuff that shows mail etc?15:42
ali1234yeah15:42
ali1234it's the thing that replaces the "tray"15:42
ali1234which gnome called the notification area, just to be confusing15:43
ali1234but unity notifications = notify-osd, the pop up bubbles15:43
penguin42it's really sad that they've broken compatibility there; I wish that was just done as an addition15:45
ali1234compatibility with what?15:46
penguin42apps for anything but unity that added stuff to the tray15:46
penguin42and then anything other than unity that wants to run Ubuntu apps15:46
ali1234gnome doesn't use the old notifications any more either, and neither KDE15:46
* penguin42 looks at his KDE - still has a tray here, still has all my things in the tray15:47
* penguin42 still has a notifications thing15:47
ali1234yeah, unity also still has a tray15:47
ali1234so does gnome15:47
ali1234but only stuff like skype uses it15:47
ali1234the tray is horribly broken, it can't duplicate itself across monitors15:48
ali1234it also can't be themed15:48
ali1234gnome shell got rid of the idea entirely and only has the old compatibility, which is hidden in that weird bottom panel thing15:49
ali1234unity puts the old type icons next to the indicators on the panel, but there's a whitelist15:50
ali1234KDE - i dunno what KDE does, probably not anything intelligent15:50
ali1234gnome classic/mate/xfce all have plugins for both the old way and the new way15:50
penguin42ali1234: I thought current Unity had killed off the tray altogether and got rid of any compatibility with the tray15:56
ali1234depends what you mean by "current"15:56
penguin42I meant as of raring15:56
ali1234no15:56
ali1234it's still needed for skype15:57
BluesKajpe didn't see a sys tray in unity on 13.1015:57
BluesKajpenguin42: ^15:57
BluesKajif there was one I missed it :)15:58
ali1234how would you even see it?15:58
ali1234it's not there unless something puts an icon in it - something that is whitelisted15:58
BluesKajno defaultapps like kde has ?15:59
ali1234all the "defaults" use indicators15:59
BluesKajno matter I didn't use it long enough , it wasn't my cuppa tea16:00
ali1234i guess i have to make a live usb to test this...16:04
penguin42or a vm, unity is justabout usable in a VM these days16:05
ali1234not sure if mouse wheel passes through to a vm16:06
penguin42ah hmm16:07
BluesKajpenguin42:  i couldn't get the guest additions to install in VB with Ubuntu/Unity , no matter what I tried ,they appeared to install with cli , but weren't recognized by the VB16:08
penguin42hang on I'll boot my VM16:08
BluesKajpenguin42:  any idea what i missed ?16:09
penguin42BluesKaj: No, I run KVM not VB16:09
BluesKajok16:09
penguin42hmm, my saucy vm doesn't have a mixer16:11
penguin42hmm why does my saucy vm have 3.9 rather than 3.11?16:19
penguin42nope, scroll wheel doesn't work on it16:25
penguin42BluesKaj: What kernel does your saucy have?16:26
ali1234silly vboxdrv rebooted my computer for no reason when the module loaded16:26
* penguin42 pats his kvm16:26
ali1234vbox *uses* kvm16:27
* penguin42 pats his qemu-kvm16:27
alankilaafaik it has its own drivers. Has this changed?16:27
* alankila hasn't run virtualbox on linux for years16:27
ali1234it can use either afaik16:28
penguin42ali1234: Well I've confirmed that in my kvm guest it's getting scroll events but the mixer isn't changing16:28
ali1234it just can't use them both at the same time16:28
penguin42ali1234: What's vboxdrv then if it's using kvm?16:28
ali1234beats me16:29
penguin42ali1234: I can imagine it might be using the same vmx instructions in the chip, but if it's needing it's own kernel module I doubt it's using the kernel's kvm infrastructure16:30
ali1234that's the thing: it doesn't need to use vboxdrv16:31
penguin42oh16:31
ali1234it can use kvm-amd as well or whatever it's called16:31
ali1234but you can't have vboxdrv and kvm-amd loaded at the same time16:31
ali1234well, you can, but one of them won't work properly16:31
penguin42ali1234: On a different matter, what kernel have you got?16:31
ali1234and vbox can;t run windows guests on kvm16:31
ali12343.11.0-4-generic16:31
penguin42hmm, so wth has my vm not getting it16:32
ali1234maybe cos it's using a different kernel, because it's in a vm?16:33
penguin42hmm no, it's on generic16:34
ali1234wrong install media?16:34
penguin42hmm, just dist-upgrade and it's pulling a load of packages again16:34
brainwashpenguin42: network-manager keeps working just fine, even after 3 more suspend/resume cycles16:37
penguin42brainwash: OK, so it only fails when you're not trying to find the problem16:40
* penguin42 reboots vm and finds there are no indicators left all16:43
penguin42oh there it is - it's just disagreeing about res16:44
penguin42ali1234: So the scroll whell works if you click on the mixer and the menu shows the slider if you use the scroll wheel over the slider it works16:47
ali1234yeah16:47
brainwashhttp://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-intel/tree/NEWS18:54
brainwashbad news18:54
ZoiaguyverNot really, just means Ubuntu keeps going on its own, just goes to prove why Canonical don't support upstream as much as they could18:56
* penguin42 wonders why it needs output drivers18:58
ZoiaguyverI mean who exactly are the "management" in whats mean't to be an "opensource" project18:58
ZoiaguyverWell in a sense from what i've saw it doesn't unless it is the binary blobs18:59
penguin42well I meant why does it need changes in the upstream drivers19:00
penguin42Zoiaguyver: I'm assuming the maintainers of that code19:00
ZoiaguyverI'm not sure I think it was more about SNA support from reading the posts19:00
Zoiaguyverbut from what they say they are gonna support SNA but not the Xmir specific stuff, kinda weird19:01
* penguin42 thought SNA was the new thing anyway so I don't quite get that19:02
Zoiaguyverpenguin42: It is thats whats confusing..19:02
ali1234wat19:03
ZoiaguyverThe comment posted with it is more like a school yard dig cause someone stole Waylands rattle lol19:03
ali1234why would they add it and then remove it?19:03
ali1234derp19:03
ZoiaguyverBecause as they said "The management" told them to19:03
penguin42http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/intel-gfx/2013-July/030657.html19:03
ali1234that's lame19:04
penguin42well the other side of it is that Canonical are asking the maintainers to put something in their patch set and not break it, so it's something they have to keep working19:05
penguin42and for only Canonical's benefit19:05
ali1234that whole "it's extra work" thing is just a lame excuse and always has been19:06
penguin42no, it's a big thing19:06
penguin42ali1234: look at that patch, it's not exactly self contained, it's all over with ifdef's19:06
ali1234it's one file and a few hooks19:07
penguin42ali1234: I don't know enough about why mir needed it, but you'd think they would have put  a more generic chunk of infrastructure in rather than making it mir specific in each driver19:07
ZoiaguyverBecause they want to keep it backwards compatible with older stuff19:08
ali1234this is about xmir, not mir19:08
ali1234anyway, refusing to carry a patch because it would make 5 minutes extra work for you, and when not carrying it means several hours extra work for someone else - is a lame choice in my opinion19:09
penguin42ali1234: No, that's naive - it's the work that they've got to do in the future, not the merge time19:10
ali1234the work they have to do in the future = 5 minutes19:10
ali1234vs the work someone else has to do every time they do a new release = several hours19:10
ali1234maintaining code is much much easier than having to patch it in every single time19:11
ZoiaguyverCanonical will just do it themselves, they prob been expecting it seeing as how mir was pretty much spat on from the start19:11
ali1234this is why everyone loses with "opinionated" design19:11
ZoiaguyverThey already keep Upstart and Unity going without any help really (apart from the community). Mir will end up being the same19:12
ali1234what it really means is "i will minimize my workload even if it means 10x more work for everyone else"19:12
penguin42Zoiaguyver: Well it depends, fortunately the use of Nux died off and they went back to Qrt19:12
penguin42Qt19:12
ali1234and when everyone does it, it just makes everyone's job that much harder19:12
penguin42ali1234: Without knowing enough it's hard to say - my reading of that patch is it's quite intrusive and specific to Mir, I think if they had something that was less Mir specific to the driver then they'd have a better chance19:13
ZoiaguyverWell for me atleast all it is doing is making me less interested in anything Wayland, X.org or Intel come up with lol19:14
penguin42it's making me think about ditching Ubuntu19:15
ali1234i'm quite happy to continue using xorg and nvidia proprietary driver19:15
ali1234i don't see any benefit to wayland or mir19:15
ZoiaguyverIt will probably make a lot feel like that19:16
penguin42ali1234: I don't know enough about them, I don't think it's a bad thing for people to try other approaches and it certainly feels from both sides like there is a back log of things people know need fixing in X19:16
ZoiaguyverWell tbh they both have a use, they are both aimed to replace a 26 year old program that is doing more than it was ever meant to do19:17
penguin42nod19:17
ZoiaguyverPlus over the years X.org has picked up so much extra crap that isn't needed19:18
penguin42fortunately I think the X Printer server is about dead....19:18
Zoiaguyverlol19:18
Zoiaguyveryeah but its still hanging on (or atleast the code :p)19:18
ZoiaguyverBut much of that from what I've read is down to X themselves with the "must not break backwards compatibility" ethos19:19
penguin42Zoiaguyver: Well yeh I guess it depends what you're running, I know people still running Motif apps19:20
penguin42heck less than 5 years ago I knew someone who was desperate to get OpenLook's terminal emulator working for an application they used every day19:20
ZoiaguyverOpenlook...19:20
ZoiaguyverNow thats a blast from the past. You would think some of this stuff was dead and buried long ago lol19:21
ali1234i regularly use xterm because it supports bitmap fonts and doesn't try to do subpixel antialiasing19:21
penguin42you can turn the antialiasing off globally can't you?19:28
ali1234i don't want to turn it off globally though19:29
ali1234sometimes i just need to display bitmap fonts with pixel accuracy19:29
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DoYouKnowhi. I am having an issue where gfortran is interpreting GNU-style block comments as program code21:59
DoYouKnowis there a workaround?21:59
penguin42DoYouKnow: There's quite a variety of gcc versions available on +1, I'd try one of the others22:04
penguin424.4,4.6,4.7,4.8 all seem to be there22:04
DoYouKnowno matter what version I try I get the same issue22:07
DoYouKnowI even tried the portland compiler, and this exact file worked on another linux22:07
DoYouKnowI'm baffled22:08
DoYouKnowerr22:08
DoYouKnownot portland, I mean ifort22:08
DoYouKnowintel22:08
DoYouKnowI must be missing some compilation periphery tool22:11
penguin42doesn't know Fortran, so can't help much22:11
penguin42DoYouKnow: if gfortran is like gcc it does take some options to specify the language version, so maybe you need to pass something22:11
DoYouKnowpenguin42: I am trying to compile WRF22:17
DoYouKnowfirst character gfortran doesn't like is the * in /*22:18
DoYouKnowin a block comment in an f90 file22:18
DoYouKnowinvalid character in name at (1)22:18
DoYouKnowquit22:25

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