| Kilos | morning all | 06:15 |
|---|---|---|
| theblazehen | hi Kilos | 06:29 |
| Kilos | hiya SilverCode | 08:04 |
| theblazehen | hi SilverCode | 08:06 |
| Kilos | theblazehen, whats a lisp | 08:12 |
| Kilos | explain in old peeps english | 08:12 |
| theblazehen | Kilos: programming language, once used for AI | 08:13 |
| theblazehen | Is said to be a very "eegant | 08:13 |
| theblazehen | elegant* language | 08:13 |
| Kilos | AI=artificial intelligence | 08:14 |
| theblazehen | yeah | 08:14 |
| Kilos | intelligense | 08:14 |
| Kilos | ai! | 08:14 |
| Kilos | ty | 08:14 |
| theblazehen | intelligence* not intelligense | 08:14 |
| Kilos | oh it was right | 08:15 |
| theblazehen | yep] | 08:16 |
| Kilos | ai! what a schlep, i joined hi5 years ago to chat to someone for a week and now i keep getting emails so+so has bought your pet for so much, and i cant find how to delete the account | 08:45 |
| Kilos | http://www.accountkiller.com/en/delete-hi5-account | 08:45 |
| Kilos | i looked there but nowhere do i see delete or close | 08:45 |
| Kilos | grrrr | 08:45 |
| charl_ | good morning | 09:03 |
| charl_ | Maaz: coffee on | 09:03 |
| * Maaz washes some mugs | 09:03 | |
| Kilos | hi charl_ | 09:03 |
| charl_ | hi Kilos | 09:07 |
| charl_ | how's it going | 09:07 |
| Kilos | ok ty and you? | 09:07 |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for charl_! | 09:07 |
| charl_ | Maaz: thanks | 09:10 |
| Maaz | charl_: No problem | 09:10 |
| charl_ | Kilos: i'm good | 09:11 |
| charl_ | just trying to wake up :) | 09:11 |
| charl_ | whow there were a lot of ubuntu updates recently | 09:50 |
| charl_ | seems like i got a kind of attack on my mail server during the early morning hours http://paste.ubuntu.com/6074167/ | 09:54 |
| theblazehen | charl_: you run a mail server? | 09:56 |
| charl_ | theblazehen: yes, for myself | 09:57 |
| theblazehen | nice. how much ram minimum? | 09:57 |
| charl_ | i run it on a vps at hetzner with 512mb | 09:57 |
| theblazehen | I also want one... | 09:57 |
| charl_ | for a mail server you need practically nothing | 09:57 |
| theblazehen | charl_: Got a good guide? | 09:57 |
| theblazehen | I never managed to get one working | 09:57 |
| charl_ | apt-get install postfix ? :) | 09:58 |
| charl_ | i have no idea, maybe there are some guides if you search online | 09:58 |
| charl_ | i have been running mail servers for almost 10 years | 09:58 |
| theblazehen | ty | 09:58 |
| theblazehen | is that what you did? | 09:58 |
| charl_ | i just installed mutt which automatically installs postfix | 09:58 |
| theblazehen | and will that give you imap access? | 09:59 |
| charl_ | left everything at the default configuration but make sure your /etc/hostname is set to a FQDN | 09:59 |
| theblazehen | ah ok | 09:59 |
| charl_ | no | 09:59 |
| theblazehen | ty | 09:59 |
| charl_ | it's not an imap server it's an smtp server | 09:59 |
| charl_ | mutt reads the mail from the local mail file | 09:59 |
| theblazehen | ok. How do i get imap then? | 09:59 |
| charl_ | for me it's /var/mail/charl | 09:59 |
| charl_ | many years ago i experimented with dovecot | 10:00 |
| theblazehen | ah ok | 10:00 |
| charl_ | but that didn't look like a really good server | 10:00 |
| theblazehen | kk | 10:00 |
| charl_ | at a company i was working we ran exim | 10:00 |
| theblazehen | ah | 10:00 |
| charl_ | much more solid mail server | 10:00 |
| theblazehen | ty | 10:00 |
| charl_ | i don't like throwing open unnecessary ports so i try to keep that to a minimum | 10:00 |
| theblazehen | yeah | 10:00 |
| charl_ | smtp i have no choice and postfix seems pretty solid | 10:00 |
| theblazehen | ok | 10:01 |
| charl_ | today i'm going to try and get prosody running again | 10:02 |
| charl_ | 0.8 looked pretty good but didn't support ipv6 and i want all services running on my vps to be fully dual-stack | 10:03 |
| charl_ | so i ended up waiting until 0.9 was released which it has now been for a few weeks | 10:03 |
| charl_ | figured out i could configure mutt to read mail from imap at work a couple of months back, works really nicely | 10:05 |
| theblazehen | ah ty charl_ | 10:16 |
| theblazehen | I'll give it a try again, but if I don't get it right, mind helping? | 10:17 |
| charl_ | theblazehen: sure ping me if you get stuck | 10:19 |
| theblazehen | ty | 10:19 |
| charl_ | although i can't be of much use when it comes to imap, just postfix + mutt | 10:19 |
| theblazehen | kk | 10:19 |
| charl_ | south africa is in the world-wide trends on twitter right now | 12:16 |
| charl_ | seems to have something to do with rugby though | 12:17 |
| theblazehen | wow | 12:17 |
| charl_ | look on any twitter profile page in the worldwide trends box on the left | 12:18 |
| Kilos | boks just beat aus | 12:24 |
| Kilos | 38/12 | 12:24 |
| charl_ | i have no idea about rugby but i assume it was a big victory | 12:25 |
| charl_ | with that score 38 > 12*3 | 12:26 |
| Kilos | yeah first time we beat them in brisbane | 12:26 |
| charl_ | oh in their own country? | 12:26 |
| charl_ | very nice | 12:26 |
| charl_ | pwned :P | 12:26 |
| Kilos | tara is extatic | 12:26 |
| charl_ | we don't really have rugby in europe, only soccer | 12:26 |
| Kilos | however you spell that | 12:27 |
| Kilos | ecstatic | 12:27 |
| Kilos | whew | 12:27 |
| Kilos | whatever | 12:27 |
| charl_ | :) | 12:27 |
| Kilos | hi Vince-0 | 13:49 |
| theblazehen | hey Vince-0! | 13:53 |
| charl_ | hi Vince-0 | 13:58 |
| kbmonkey | hello 0/ | 14:10 |
| kbmonkey | nuvolari, apologies I was offline, thanks for all the pings ;) | 14:10 |
| Vince-0 | haai | 14:12 |
| kbmonkey | I love my new GNU + Linux inside sticker | 14:14 |
| theblazehen | kbmonkey: Nice :) | 14:15 |
| Kilos | hi kbmonkey | 14:15 |
| kbmonkey | hello meneer Kilos | 14:16 |
| Kilos | did you guys enjoy rms | 14:17 |
| charl_ | hey when is the video coming | 14:17 |
| charl_ | i will keep nagging until i get it :) | 14:17 |
| charl_ | video or it didn't happen :P | 14:18 |
| theblazehen | charl_: I'm also nagging... Still not happening | 14:19 |
| theblazehen | Nag directly: smokestorm2110@gmail.com | 14:19 |
| kbmonkey | yes Kilos very much | 14:19 |
| Kilos | we got some funnies joined studies, they talk funny stuffs | 14:20 |
| theblazehen | lol Kilos | 14:20 |
| Kilos | hehe | 14:20 |
| theblazehen | Kilos: Do you approve of " funny stuffs" ? | 14:23 |
| kbmonkey | like jokes? | 14:23 |
| Kilos | yeah but would be better if i could understand it | 14:23 |
| Kilos | no man AI stuffs | 14:23 |
| Kilos | with lisp | 14:23 |
| kbmonkey | oh cool | 14:24 |
| theblazehen | :D | 14:24 |
| kbmonkey | who is doing lisp? | 14:25 |
| theblazehen | cdh473 | 14:25 |
| theblazehen | Was talking about lisp machines | 14:25 |
| Kilos | i need some AI to replace mine | 14:27 |
| theblazehen | lol Kilos | 14:27 |
| kbmonkey | haha | 14:28 |
| charl_ | smokestorm ?! | 14:28 |
| charl_ | lol who is that | 14:28 |
| Kilos | oh that command didnt replace defaults enough to show the panel in kde | 14:28 |
| theblazehen | charl_: other friend | 14:28 |
| charl_ | ok | 14:28 |
| theblazehen | charl_: one who recorded RMS | 14:29 |
| charl_ | ah cool | 14:29 |
| magespawn | good afternoon | 14:57 |
| charl_ | hi magespawn | 14:58 |
| magespawn | i missed last night | 15:01 |
| magespawn | got a bit caught up in the school AGM | 15:01 |
| magespawn | I see there was a fair amount of activity | 15:14 |
| theblazehen | Anyone need something done in python? | 15:18 |
| charl_ | theblazehen: how deo you mean? | 15:20 |
| theblazehen | I'm not doing anything much tomorrow, and I have SSH to a VPS, so I wanna code some python | 15:21 |
| Kilos | hehe teach an ibid to braai steak | 15:23 |
| Kilos | hi magespawn | 15:23 |
| theblazehen | Kilos: sure | 15:23 |
| magespawn | Hey Kilos | 15:29 |
| charl_ | theblazehen: i'm currently looking at this https://github.com/erindru/m2t | 15:54 |
| charl_ | theblazehen: in relation to this: http://www.openseedbox.com/ | 15:54 |
| charl_ | theblazehen: in particular, this: https://github.com/erindru/m2t/blob/master/m2t/scraper.py | 15:54 |
| theblazehen | ok | 15:55 |
| theblazehen | check it now | 15:55 |
| charl_ | there is some more info here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1680209/how-to-calculate-the-scrape-url-for-a-torrent | 15:55 |
| charl_ | the spec: https://wiki.theory.org/BitTorrentSpecification#Tracker_.27scrape.27_Convention | 15:55 |
| Kilos | charl_, dont mess his brain now hes busy looking at ibid | 15:55 |
| charl_ | heh | 15:56 |
| theblazehen | charl_: yeah? | 15:57 |
| charl_ | what i was thinking is it would be handy to be able to search for torrents via irc | 15:59 |
| charl_ | display the magnet link together with the seeders/leechers | 15:59 |
| charl_ | and total downloaders | 15:59 |
| theblazehen | charl: good idea! | 15:59 |
| charl_ | and by torrents i mean legal torrents, that is not of particular concern to me | 16:00 |
| theblazehen | Kilos: don't really feel like installing all the ibid dependencies on my system :/ | 16:00 |
| theblazehen | charl_: lol :p | 16:00 |
| Kilos | haha | 16:00 |
| charl_ | theblazehen: have you tried virtualenv? | 16:01 |
| theblazehen | charl_: nope | 16:01 |
| charl_ | then you don't have to clutter your system with dependencies | 16:01 |
| charl_ | create a virtual environment and destroy it later | 16:02 |
| charl_ | http://www.virtualenv.org/en/latest/ | 16:02 |
| theblazehen | charl_: will it even work for pacman? (arch linux package manager) | 16:02 |
| theblazehen | Why not normal chroot anyway? | 16:02 |
| charl_ | that i don't know | 16:02 |
| Kilos | you clever peeps tell me what dependancies and packages must be installed on kde for the konsole to work/show | 16:03 |
| Kilos | weve removed something | 16:04 |
| Kilos | not konsole the panel with launcher sorry | 16:04 |
| charl_ | sorry no idea | 16:05 |
| charl_ | i just installed kubuntu-desktop and everything got automatically installed with it | 16:05 |
| Kilos | there is surely a command that can show what all the panel needs | 16:05 |
| Kilos | yeah thats the prob | 16:05 |
| Kilos | i have to find them manually nmow | 16:05 |
| Kilos | now | 16:05 |
| Kilos | ians kde works but no panel and everything else works from konsole | 16:06 |
| Kilos | what will this command do please | 16:22 |
| Kilos | sudo ./install | 16:22 |
| charl_ | that depends on what you are trying to install | 16:22 |
| charl_ | the usual combination is ./configure make and make install | 16:22 |
| Kilos | oh its not everything in root install | 16:23 |
| charl_ | this looks like something else | 16:23 |
| magespawn | Kilos: if you 'sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop' it should reinstall the desktop, but should only need to download the missing software | 16:23 |
| charl_ | this will execute the install script in your current working directory | 16:23 |
| Kilos | im trying to get his basic install reinstalled so panel comes back | 16:23 |
| Kilos | i think ive tried that magespawn | 16:23 |
| charl_ | if it gets missing somehow it won't help to try and reinstall it | 16:24 |
| charl_ | unless you first remove everything but i'm still not sure | 16:24 |
| charl_ | Kilos: how did it go missing? | 16:24 |
| charl_ | isn't it already installed but the panel just got removed off the desktop somehow? | 16:25 |
| charl_ | i think if you right-click on the desktop there should be a menu allowing you to add the default panel back | 16:25 |
| Kilos | he was banned from freenode because of open proxy thing so i got himn to remove samba and havp | 16:25 |
| Kilos | and i dunno what else | 16:25 |
| charl_ | i don't know what havp is | 16:25 |
| Kilos | it doesnt show add panel | 16:25 |
| charl_ | very hard to say | 16:26 |
| Kilos | some proxy thing | 16:26 |
| charl_ | if you removed a package that kubuntu-desktop depends on then kubuntu-desktop itself will also have been uninstalled | 16:26 |
| Kilos | its something we removed | 16:26 |
| charl_ | i don't see how this would affect the desktop | 16:26 |
| Kilos | he has the normal screen view but no panel or launcher | 16:27 |
| charl_ | and you can't add a new panel? bizarre | 16:27 |
| inetpro | ai! | 16:27 |
| inetpro | good evening | 16:27 |
| inetpro | Kilos: are we still on that? | 16:27 |
| charl_ | hi inetpro | 16:28 |
| charl_ | how's it going | 16:28 |
| inetpro | hi charl_ | 16:28 |
| Kilos | hi inetpro yeah | 16:28 |
| inetpro | good and yourself, nice and warm in Pretoria today | 16:28 |
| Kilos | yeah | 16:28 |
| Kilos | much better | 16:28 |
| inetpro | Kilos: you didn't follow my advice? | 16:28 |
| inetpro | Kilos: create another user | 16:29 |
| Kilos | hmm... what didnt i follow | 16:29 |
| Kilos | oh i mailed him to try that but havent had feedback on if he did | 16:29 |
| Kilos | lemme try get him | 16:29 |
| theblazehen | inetpro: did you go see stallman? | 16:31 |
| inetpro | theblazehen: nope, unfortunately couldn't get away from my work | 16:31 |
| theblazehen | inetpro: pity :( It was great | 16:32 |
| * inetpro hates wasting time in traffic and away from the office | 16:33 | |
| inetpro | a video would be nice | 16:34 |
| magespawn | hi inetpro | 16:34 |
| inetpro | hello magespawn | 16:34 |
| magespawn | how long do you spend in traffic? | 16:35 |
| inetpro | magespawn: half an hour max is all I can take | 16:36 |
| magespawn | yup traffic is not fun, i like driving, but traffic *bleeg* | 16:38 |
| * inetpro enjoyed the video of Vint Cerf at Jozihub last night | 16:38 | |
| inetpro | that event I wouldn't mind going to | 16:39 |
| inetpro | rms is a bit too controversial for me | 16:39 |
| theblazehen | inetpro: waiting for my friend still | 16:41 |
| magespawn | from what i have seen his views are extreme, but he does present them and without sounding like a nutcase | 16:42 |
| inetpro | Vint Cerf Fireside Chat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgqEMSM1Gio | 16:43 |
| magespawn | ty inetpro | 16:43 |
| inetpro | that ^^ was fun watching | 16:43 |
| inetpro | bit long though | 16:43 |
| * inetpro wbb | 16:45 | |
| charl_ | inetpro: vint cerf! url please! | 17:10 |
| charl_ | :) | 17:10 |
| charl_ | oh sorry only saw it now lol | 17:12 |
| theblazehen | OMF! Linux on my router XD | 17:26 |
| inetpro | Maaz: coffee on | 17:32 |
| * Maaz flips the salt-timer | 17:32 | |
| Kilos | inetpro, sorry he didnt try it. he forgot. gets home and sleeps. we will try tomorrow | 17:33 |
| Kilos | Maaz, coffee please | 17:33 |
| Maaz | Kilos: Sure | 17:33 |
| inetpro | Kilos: np | 17:33 |
| inetpro | much easier to test the basics first :-) | 17:34 |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos! | 17:36 |
| Kilos | Maaz, danke | 17:36 |
| Maaz | Bitteschön | 17:36 |
| inetpro | Maaz: dankie | 17:37 |
| Maaz | Groot plesier inetpro my vriend | 17:37 |
| charl_ | lol | 17:37 |
| inetpro | now where do we find the rusks? | 17:37 |
| Kilos | ask and yell be directed | 17:38 |
| charl_ | in the oven, freshly baked | 17:38 |
| charl_ | dried | 17:38 |
| Kilos | sigh | 17:38 |
| Kilos | Maaz, rusks please | 17:38 |
| Maaz | behind the calender on top of the fridge, but dont tell everyone Kilos | 17:38 |
| Kilos | doop n ouma doop n ouma | 17:39 |
| charl_ | finally starting to cool down, it was a hell hole here the last two days | 17:40 |
| charl_ | i can breathe again :) | 17:40 |
| inetpro | wish I could press a button and have rusks delivered from the shop now | 17:42 |
| Kilos | yeah hehe | 17:42 |
| Kilos | soon you will be able to | 17:43 |
| inetpro | soon? | 17:43 |
| Kilos | havent they got online pizza deliveries yet | 17:43 |
| Kilos | everything will be done via internet | 17:43 |
| inetpro | Kilos: yes but it takes a while | 17:44 |
| Kilos | no instant food unless you have ratpacks | 17:44 |
| inetpro | the hyperloop is what we need to speed things up | 17:44 |
| inetpro | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperloop | 17:45 |
| Kilos | whew connected to each house | 17:46 |
| Kilos | no more home cooking | 17:46 |
| Kilos | sigh | 17:46 |
| inetpro | :-) | 17:46 |
| Kilos | i go sleep. night all you young vital peeps | 17:56 |
| inetpro | hmm... young vital peeps? | 17:58 |
| theblazehen | night Kil | 18:11 |
| theblazehen | I expected tab complete to work... | 18:12 |
| charl_ | this one looks really good: http://bottlepy.org/docs/dev/ | 18:40 |
| charl_ | i used to use this one instead: http://www.tornadoweb.org/en/stable/ | 18:41 |
| theblazehen | ok... | 18:41 |
| charl_ | the nice thing about tornado is that it was one of the first to support websockets | 18:41 |
| charl_ | that interface is not wsgi compatible though | 18:41 |
| charl_ | because you keep an open connection | 18:41 |
| theblazehen | what about pyramid? | 18:41 |
| theblazehen | yeah | 18:41 |
| charl_ | oh pylons? | 18:42 |
| charl_ | it was created by one of my former colleagues at stanford | 18:42 |
| theblazehen | ah nice | 18:42 |
| theblazehen | saw a talk at SFD | 18:42 |
| charl_ | a guy called ben bangert | 18:44 |
| charl_ | he was also one of the people behind lex machina | 18:44 |
| charl_ | that's how i know him | 18:44 |
| charl_ | http://www.linkedin.com/in/bbangert | 18:45 |
| theblazehen | ah ok | 18:46 |
| charl_ | here's the history http://www.pylonsproject.org/about/history | 18:46 |
| charl_ | the initial version was really poorly documented but the current site looks awesome | 18:46 |
| charl_ | an extreme perfectionist that guy | 18:46 |
| theblazehen | ty | 18:47 |
| charl_ | i don't understand what pyramid is though | 18:47 |
| superfly | it's a web framework\ | 18:48 |
| charl_ | or i mean, how it realtes to pylons, it's new | 18:48 |
| charl_ | reading http://www.pylonsproject.org/about/history | 18:48 |
| charl_ | i mean http://www.pylonsproject.org/projects/pyramid/about | 18:48 |
| superfly | pyramid = pylons + repoze.bfg | 18:48 |
| charl_ | ah ok | 18:49 |
| superfly | pylons was a dead end in terms of architecture | 18:49 |
| charl_ | hmmm | 18:50 |
| superfly | and the Pylons and the BFG teams had been interacting a lot | 18:51 |
| superfly | so after a beer or two they decided to merge the two projects | 18:51 |
| charl_ | yeah why not, better software for all | 18:51 |
| charl_ | i lost track of what has been happening to the python world, have been out of it somewhat the last few years | 18:51 |
| charl_ | i am a big fan of tornado, was much better than the alternatives (at the time) | 18:53 |
| charl_ | for those that read german: http://www.heise.de/developer/meldung/Python-erreicht-Spitzenwert-bei-Softwarequalitaet-1948541.html | 18:55 |
| charl_ | a link i saw posted to #ccc on ircnet earlier | 18:55 |
| charl_ | basically talks about how python has some of the best quality code | 18:55 |
| inetpro | charl_: nice link! | 18:58 |
| charl_ | ok i'm off | 19:01 |
| charl_ | have a good evening all | 19:01 |
| nuvolari | \o/ | 20:53 |
| nuvolari | Arch Live USB install fully functional | 20:53 |
| nuvolari | Bought an 8Gb flash just for that today | 20:54 |
| nuvolari | now I need to find use for it :P | 20:54 |
| nuvolari | besides laying in my cubby-hole | 20:55 |
| nuvolari | you never know when a friend needs a resqueue | 20:55 |
| nuvolari | *resque | 20:55 |
| theblazehen | yay nuvolari! | 20:57 |
| theblazehen | rescue* | 20:57 |
| nuvolari | argh! it didn't look right :P | 21:00 |
| nuvolari | thanks theblazehen | 21:00 |
| theblazehen | Lol. Night! | 21:00 |
| nuvolari | night | 21:00 |
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