[06:15] <Kilos> morning all
[06:29] <theblazehen> hi Kilos
[08:04] <Kilos> hiya SilverCode 
[08:06] <theblazehen> hi SilverCode
[08:12] <Kilos> theblazehen, whats a lisp
[08:12] <Kilos> explain in old peeps english
[08:13] <theblazehen> Kilos: programming language, once used for AI
[08:13] <theblazehen> Is said to be a very "eegant
[08:13] <theblazehen> elegant* language
[08:14] <Kilos> AI=artificial intelligence
[08:14] <theblazehen> yeah
[08:14] <Kilos> intelligense
[08:14] <Kilos> ai!
[08:14] <Kilos> ty
[08:14] <theblazehen> intelligence* not intelligense
[08:15] <Kilos> oh it was right
[08:16] <theblazehen> yep]
[08:45] <Kilos> ai! what a schlep, i joined hi5 years ago to chat to someone for a week and now i keep getting emails so+so has bought your pet for so much, and i cant find how to delete the account
[08:45] <Kilos> http://www.accountkiller.com/en/delete-hi5-account
[08:45] <Kilos> i looked there but nowhere do i see delete or close
[08:45] <Kilos> grrrr
[09:03] <charl_> good morning
[09:03] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[09:03]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[09:03] <Kilos> hi charl_ 
[09:07] <charl_> hi Kilos 
[09:07] <charl_> how's it going
[09:07] <Kilos> ok ty and you?
[09:07] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_!
[09:10] <charl_> Maaz: thanks
[09:10] <Maaz> charl_: No problem
[09:11] <charl_> Kilos: i'm good
[09:11] <charl_> just trying to wake up :)
[09:50] <charl_> whow there were a lot of ubuntu updates recently
[09:54] <charl_> seems like i got a kind of attack on my mail server during the early morning hours http://paste.ubuntu.com/6074167/
[09:56] <theblazehen> charl_: you run a mail server?
[09:57] <charl_> theblazehen: yes, for myself
[09:57] <theblazehen> nice. how much ram minimum?
[09:57] <charl_> i run it on a vps at hetzner with 512mb
[09:57] <theblazehen> I also want one...
[09:57] <charl_> for a mail server you need practically nothing
[09:57] <theblazehen> charl_: Got a good guide?
[09:57] <theblazehen> I never managed to get one working
[09:58] <charl_> apt-get install postfix ? :)
[09:58] <charl_> i have no idea, maybe there are some guides if you search online
[09:58] <charl_> i have been running mail servers for almost 10 years
[09:58] <theblazehen> ty
[09:58] <theblazehen> is that what you did?
[09:58] <charl_> i just installed mutt which automatically installs postfix
[09:59] <theblazehen> and will that give you imap access?
[09:59] <charl_> left everything at the default configuration but make sure your /etc/hostname is set to a FQDN
[09:59] <theblazehen> ah ok
[09:59] <charl_> no
[09:59] <theblazehen> ty
[09:59] <charl_> it's not an imap server it's an smtp server
[09:59] <charl_> mutt reads the mail from the local mail file
[09:59] <theblazehen> ok. How do i get imap then?
[09:59] <charl_> for me it's /var/mail/charl
[10:00] <charl_> many years ago i experimented with dovecot
[10:00] <theblazehen> ah ok
[10:00] <charl_> but that didn't look like a really good server
[10:00] <theblazehen> kk
[10:00] <charl_> at a company i was working we ran exim
[10:00] <theblazehen> ah
[10:00] <charl_> much more solid mail server
[10:00] <theblazehen> ty
[10:00] <charl_> i don't like throwing open unnecessary ports so i try to keep that to a minimum
[10:00] <theblazehen> yeah
[10:00] <charl_> smtp i have no choice and postfix seems pretty solid
[10:01] <theblazehen> ok
[10:02] <charl_> today i'm going to try and get prosody running again
[10:03] <charl_> 0.8 looked pretty good but didn't support ipv6 and i want all services running on my vps to be fully dual-stack
[10:03] <charl_> so i ended up waiting until 0.9 was released which it has now been for a few weeks
[10:05] <charl_> figured out i could configure mutt to read mail from imap at work a couple of months back, works really nicely
[10:16] <theblazehen> ah ty charl_
[10:17] <theblazehen> I'll give it a try again, but if I don't get it right, mind helping?
[10:19] <charl_> theblazehen: sure ping me if you get stuck
[10:19] <theblazehen> ty
[10:19] <charl_> although i can't be of much use when it comes to imap, just postfix + mutt
[10:19] <theblazehen> kk
[12:16] <charl_> south africa is in the world-wide trends on twitter right now
[12:17] <charl_> seems to have something to do with rugby though
[12:17] <theblazehen> wow
[12:18] <charl_> look on any twitter profile page in the worldwide trends box on the left
[12:24] <Kilos> boks just beat aus
[12:24] <Kilos> 38/12
[12:25] <charl_> i have no idea about rugby but i assume it was a big victory
[12:26] <charl_> with that score 38 > 12*3
[12:26] <Kilos> yeah first time we beat them in brisbane
[12:26] <charl_> oh in their own country?
[12:26] <charl_> very nice
[12:26] <charl_> pwned :P
[12:26] <Kilos> tara is extatic
[12:26] <charl_> we don't really have rugby in europe, only soccer
[12:27] <Kilos> however you spell that
[12:27] <Kilos> ecstatic
[12:27] <Kilos> whew
[12:27] <Kilos> whatever
[12:27] <charl_> :)
[13:49] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[13:53] <theblazehen> hey Vince-0!
[13:58] <charl_> hi Vince-0 
[14:10] <kbmonkey> hello 0/
[14:10] <kbmonkey> nuvolari, apologies I was offline, thanks for all the pings ;)
[14:12] <Vince-0> haai
[14:14] <kbmonkey> I love my new GNU + Linux inside sticker
[14:15] <theblazehen> kbmonkey: Nice :)
[14:15] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey 
[14:16] <kbmonkey> hello meneer Kilos 
[14:17] <Kilos> did you guys enjoy rms
[14:17] <charl_> hey when is the video coming
[14:17] <charl_> i will keep nagging until i get it :)
[14:18] <charl_> video or it didn't happen :P
[14:19] <theblazehen> charl_: I'm also nagging... Still not happening
[14:19] <theblazehen> Nag directly: smokestorm2110@gmail.com
[14:19] <kbmonkey> yes Kilos very much
[14:20] <Kilos> we got some funnies joined studies, they talk funny stuffs
[14:20] <theblazehen> lol Kilos
[14:20] <Kilos> hehe
[14:23] <theblazehen> Kilos: Do you approve of " funny stuffs" ?
[14:23] <kbmonkey> like jokes?
[14:23] <Kilos> yeah but would be better if i could understand it
[14:23] <Kilos> no man AI stuffs
[14:23] <Kilos> with lisp
[14:24] <kbmonkey> oh cool
[14:24] <theblazehen> :D
[14:25] <kbmonkey> who is doing lisp?
[14:25] <theblazehen> cdh473
[14:25] <theblazehen> Was talking about lisp machines
[14:27] <Kilos> i need some AI to replace mine
[14:27] <theblazehen> lol Kilos
[14:28] <kbmonkey> haha
[14:28] <charl_> smokestorm ?!
[14:28] <charl_> lol who is that
[14:28] <Kilos> oh that command didnt replace defaults enough to show the panel in kde
[14:28] <theblazehen> charl_: other friend
[14:28] <charl_> ok
[14:29] <theblazehen> charl_: one who recorded RMS
[14:29] <charl_> ah cool
[14:57] <magespawn> good afternoon
[14:58] <charl_> hi magespawn 
[15:01] <magespawn> i missed last night
[15:01] <magespawn> got a bit caught up in the school AGM
[15:14] <magespawn> I see there was a fair amount of activity
[15:18] <theblazehen> Anyone need something done in python?
[15:20] <charl_> theblazehen: how deo you mean?
[15:21] <theblazehen> I'm not doing anything much tomorrow, and I have SSH to a VPS, so I wanna code some python
[15:23] <Kilos> hehe teach an ibid to braai steak 
[15:23] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[15:23] <theblazehen> Kilos: sure
[15:29] <magespawn> Hey Kilos
[15:54] <charl_> theblazehen: i'm currently looking at this https://github.com/erindru/m2t
[15:54] <charl_> theblazehen: in relation to this: http://www.openseedbox.com/
[15:54] <charl_> theblazehen: in particular, this: https://github.com/erindru/m2t/blob/master/m2t/scraper.py
[15:55] <theblazehen> ok
[15:55] <theblazehen> check it now
[15:55] <charl_> there is some more info here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1680209/how-to-calculate-the-scrape-url-for-a-torrent
[15:55] <charl_> the spec: https://wiki.theory.org/BitTorrentSpecification#Tracker_.27scrape.27_Convention
[15:55] <Kilos> charl_, dont mess his brain now hes busy looking at ibid
[15:56] <charl_> heh
[15:57] <theblazehen> charl_: yeah?
[15:59] <charl_> what i was thinking is it would be handy to be able to search for torrents via irc
[15:59] <charl_> display the magnet link together with the seeders/leechers
[15:59] <charl_> and total downloaders
[15:59] <theblazehen> charl: good idea! 
[16:00] <charl_> and by torrents i mean legal torrents, that is not of particular concern to me
[16:00] <theblazehen> Kilos: don't really feel like installing all the ibid dependencies on my system :/
[16:00] <theblazehen> charl_: lol :p
[16:00] <Kilos> haha
[16:01] <charl_> theblazehen: have you tried virtualenv?
[16:01] <theblazehen> charl_: nope
[16:01] <charl_> then you don't have to clutter your system with dependencies
[16:02] <charl_> create a virtual environment and destroy it later
[16:02] <charl_> http://www.virtualenv.org/en/latest/
[16:02] <theblazehen> charl_: will it even work for pacman? (arch linux package manager)
[16:02] <theblazehen> Why not normal chroot anyway?
[16:02] <charl_> that i don't know
[16:03] <Kilos> you clever peeps tell me what dependancies and packages must be installed on kde for the konsole to work/show
[16:04] <Kilos> weve removed something
[16:04] <Kilos> not konsole the panel with launcher sorry
[16:05] <charl_> sorry no idea
[16:05] <charl_> i just installed kubuntu-desktop and everything got automatically installed with it
[16:05] <Kilos> there is surely a command that can show what all the panel needs
[16:05] <Kilos> yeah thats the prob
[16:05] <Kilos> i have to find them manually nmow
[16:05] <Kilos> now
[16:06] <Kilos> ians kde works but no panel and everything else works from konsole
[16:22] <Kilos> what will this command do please
[16:22] <Kilos> sudo ./install
[16:22] <charl_> that depends on what you are trying to install
[16:22] <charl_> the usual combination is ./configure make and make install
[16:23] <Kilos> oh its not everything in root install
[16:23] <charl_> this looks like something else
[16:23] <magespawn> Kilos: if you 'sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop' it should reinstall the desktop, but should only need to download the missing software
[16:23] <charl_> this will execute the install script in your current working directory
[16:23] <Kilos> im trying to get his basic install reinstalled so panel comes back
[16:23] <Kilos> i think ive tried that magespawn 
[16:24] <charl_> if it gets missing somehow it won't help to try and reinstall it
[16:24] <charl_> unless you first remove everything but i'm still not sure
[16:24] <charl_> Kilos: how did it go missing?
[16:25] <charl_> isn't it already installed but the panel just got removed off the desktop somehow?
[16:25] <charl_> i think if you right-click on the desktop there should be a menu allowing you to add the default panel back
[16:25] <Kilos> he was banned from freenode because of open proxy thing so i got himn to remove samba and havp
[16:25] <Kilos> and i dunno what else
[16:25] <charl_> i don't know what havp is
[16:25] <Kilos> it doesnt show add panel 
[16:26] <charl_> very hard to say
[16:26] <Kilos> some proxy thing
[16:26] <charl_> if you removed a package that kubuntu-desktop depends on then kubuntu-desktop itself will also have been uninstalled
[16:26] <Kilos> its something we removed
[16:26] <charl_> i don't see how this would affect the desktop
[16:27] <Kilos> he has the normal screen view but no panel or launcher
[16:27] <charl_> and you can't add a new panel? bizarre
[16:27] <inetpro> ai!
[16:27] <inetpro> good evening
[16:27] <inetpro> Kilos: are we still on that?
[16:28] <charl_> hi inetpro 
[16:28] <charl_> how's it going
[16:28] <inetpro> hi charl_
[16:28] <Kilos> hi inetpro yeah
[16:28] <inetpro> good and yourself, nice and warm in Pretoria today
[16:28] <Kilos> yeah
[16:28] <Kilos> much better
[16:28] <inetpro> Kilos: you didn't follow my advice?
[16:29] <inetpro> Kilos: create another user 
[16:29] <Kilos> hmm... what didnt i follow
[16:29] <Kilos> oh i mailed him to try that but havent had feedback on if he did
[16:29] <Kilos> lemme try get him
[16:31] <theblazehen> inetpro: did you go see stallman?
[16:31] <inetpro> theblazehen: nope, unfortunately couldn't get away from my work
[16:32] <theblazehen> inetpro: pity :( It was great
[16:33]  * inetpro hates wasting time in traffic and away from the office
[16:34] <inetpro> a video would be nice
[16:34] <magespawn> hi inetpro
[16:34] <inetpro> hello magespawn
[16:35] <magespawn> how long do you spend in traffic?
[16:36] <inetpro> magespawn: half an hour max is all I can take
[16:38] <magespawn> yup traffic is not fun, i like driving, but traffic *bleeg*
[16:38]  * inetpro enjoyed the video of Vint Cerf at Jozihub  last night
[16:39] <inetpro> that event I wouldn't mind going to
[16:39] <inetpro> rms is a bit too controversial for me
[16:41] <theblazehen> inetpro: waiting for my friend still
[16:42] <magespawn> from what i have seen his views are extreme, but he does present them and without sounding like a nutcase
[16:43] <inetpro>  Vint Cerf Fireside Chat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgqEMSM1Gio
[16:43] <magespawn> ty inetpro 
[16:43] <inetpro> that ^^ was fun watching
[16:43] <inetpro> bit long though
[16:45]  * inetpro wbb
[17:10] <charl_> inetpro: vint cerf! url please!
[17:10] <charl_> :)
[17:12] <charl_> oh sorry only saw it now lol
[17:26] <theblazehen> OMF! Linux on my router XD
[17:32] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[17:32]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[17:33] <Kilos> inetpro, sorry he didnt try it. he forgot. gets home and sleeps. we will try tomorrow
[17:33] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[17:33] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[17:33] <inetpro> Kilos: np
[17:34] <inetpro> much easier to test the basics first :-)
[17:36] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos!
[17:36] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[17:36] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[17:37] <inetpro> Maaz: dankie
[17:37] <Maaz> Groot plesier inetpro my vriend
[17:37] <charl_> lol
[17:37] <inetpro> now where do we find the rusks?
[17:38] <Kilos> ask and yell be directed
[17:38] <charl_> in the oven, freshly baked
[17:38] <charl_> dried
[17:38] <Kilos> sigh
[17:38] <Kilos> Maaz, rusks please
[17:38] <Maaz> behind the calender on top of the fridge, but dont tell everyone Kilos
[17:39] <Kilos> doop n ouma doop n ouma
[17:40] <charl_> finally starting to cool down, it was a hell hole here the last two days
[17:40] <charl_> i can breathe again :)
[17:42] <inetpro> wish I could press a button and have rusks delivered from the shop now
[17:42] <Kilos> yeah hehe
[17:43] <Kilos> soon you will be able to
[17:43] <inetpro> soon?
[17:43] <Kilos> havent they got online pizza deliveries yet
[17:43] <Kilos> everything will be done via internet
[17:44] <inetpro> Kilos: yes but it takes a while
[17:44] <Kilos> no instant food unless you have ratpacks
[17:44] <inetpro> the hyperloop is what we need to speed things up
[17:45] <inetpro> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperloop
[17:46] <Kilos> whew connected to each house
[17:46] <Kilos> no more home cooking
[17:46] <Kilos> sigh
[17:46] <inetpro> :-)
[17:56] <Kilos> i go sleep. night all you young vital peeps
[17:58] <inetpro> hmm... young vital peeps?
[18:11] <theblazehen> night Kil
[18:12] <theblazehen> I expected tab complete to work...
[18:40] <charl_> this one looks really good: http://bottlepy.org/docs/dev/
[18:41] <charl_> i used to use this one instead: http://www.tornadoweb.org/en/stable/
[18:41] <theblazehen> ok...
[18:41] <charl_> the nice thing about tornado is that it was one of the first to support websockets
[18:41] <charl_> that interface is not wsgi compatible though
[18:41] <charl_> because you keep an open connection
[18:41] <theblazehen> what about pyramid?
[18:41] <theblazehen> yeah
[18:42] <charl_> oh pylons?
[18:42] <charl_> it was created by one of my former colleagues at stanford
[18:42] <theblazehen> ah nice
[18:42] <theblazehen> saw a talk at SFD
[18:44] <charl_> a guy called ben bangert
[18:44] <charl_> he was also one of the people behind lex machina
[18:44] <charl_> that's how i know him
[18:45] <charl_> http://www.linkedin.com/in/bbangert
[18:46] <theblazehen> ah ok
[18:46] <charl_> here's the history http://www.pylonsproject.org/about/history
[18:46] <charl_> the initial version was really poorly documented but the current site looks awesome
[18:46] <charl_> an extreme perfectionist that guy
[18:47] <theblazehen> ty
[18:47] <charl_> i don't understand what pyramid is though
[18:48] <superfly> it's a web framework\
[18:48] <charl_> or i mean, how it realtes to pylons, it's new
[18:48] <charl_> reading http://www.pylonsproject.org/about/history
[18:48] <charl_> i mean http://www.pylonsproject.org/projects/pyramid/about
[18:48] <superfly> pyramid = pylons + repoze.bfg
[18:49] <charl_> ah ok
[18:49] <superfly> pylons was a dead end in terms of architecture
[18:50] <charl_> hmmm
[18:51] <superfly> and the Pylons and the BFG teams had been interacting a lot
[18:51] <superfly> so after a beer or two they decided to merge the two projects
[18:51] <charl_> yeah why not, better software for all
[18:51] <charl_> i lost track of what has been happening to the python world, have been out of it somewhat the last few years
[18:53] <charl_> i am a big fan of tornado, was much better than the alternatives (at the time)
[18:55] <charl_> for those that read german: http://www.heise.de/developer/meldung/Python-erreicht-Spitzenwert-bei-Softwarequalitaet-1948541.html
[18:55] <charl_> a link i saw posted to #ccc on ircnet earlier
[18:55] <charl_> basically talks about how python has some of the best quality code
[18:58] <inetpro> charl_: nice link!
[19:01] <charl_> ok i'm off
[19:01] <charl_> have a good evening all
[20:53] <nuvolari> \o/
[20:53] <nuvolari> Arch Live USB install fully functional
[20:54] <nuvolari> Bought an 8Gb flash just for that today
[20:54] <nuvolari> now I need to find use for it :P
[20:55] <nuvolari> besides laying in my cubby-hole
[20:55] <nuvolari> you never know when a friend needs a resqueue
[20:55] <nuvolari> *resque
[20:57] <theblazehen> yay nuvolari!
[20:57] <theblazehen> rescue*
[21:00] <nuvolari> argh! it didn't look right :P
[21:00] <nuvolari> thanks theblazehen 
[21:00] <theblazehen> Lol. Night!
[21:00] <nuvolari> night