[00:00] <Semper> cheers john_john
[00:00] <Semper> I am right in thinking that only root and admin can read those files it seems.
[00:00] <smaudet> CADRE: ok its just a straight up exectuable
[00:01] <smaudet> CADRE: open a terminal
[00:01] <CADRE> Got one open now
[00:01] <Semper> I just haven't needed to tinker with folder and file perms like that before.
[00:01] <smaudet> CADRE: navigate to the directory where it (true crypt) was extracted
[00:01] <CADRE> That's what, cd /Home?
[00:01] <smaudet> and run ./truecrypt-7.1a-setup-x64
[00:01] <Semper> smaudet, they just packaging the entire program now?
[00:01] <Semper> dayum
[00:01] <smaudet> Semper: its got a UI installer
[00:01] <CADRE> I am a scrub, you see, when it comes to the terminal
[00:02] <Semper> oh lawdy
[00:02] <Semper> it has been a while since I installed then
[00:02] <Semper> also, arch linux, what you gonna do...
[00:02] <smaudet> Semper: not a very nice one, they're using X to keep the dependencies down
[00:02] <Semper> CADRE, what do you need truecrypt for?
[00:02] <Semper> dropbox?
[00:02] <smaudet> Semper: better question, what wouldn't you need TC for
[00:03] <CADRE> I'M EDWARD SNOWDEN
[00:03] <Semper> Well, I use encrypted LUKS
[00:03] <smaudet> Psh
[00:03] <CADRE> No but for real it's just
[00:03] <Semper> and encfs for dropbox
[00:03] <Semper> encfs is far superior for cloud storage
[00:03] <CADRE> Building smart habits
[00:03] <CADRE> Nothing special
[00:03] <smaudet> Semper: right, but LUKS is not cross platform
[00:03] <CADRE> Anyhow what's the cd command to navigate to folders again...
[00:03] <Semper> Well that's not really relevant for a full filesystem encryption though smaudet
[00:04] <Semper> :P
[00:04] <CADRE> Oh there we go
[00:04] <smaudet> Semper: he's already running Ubuntu, he probably doesn't want to run full file system encryption
[00:04] <smaudet> Anyways you already get home directory encryption as an option in Ubuntu
[00:04] <Semper> True enough I was just saying what I use ;P
[00:04] <smaudet> At least last time I installed
[00:05] <Semper> yes
[00:05] <Semper> they also offer full LVM LUKS with ubuntu now too
[00:05] <Rookie407> hello all
[00:05] <smaudet> Semper: sure, I don't care what/whether you use whatever, you were asking him as if there was a reason not to.
[00:05] <Semper> CADRE I suggest encfs for any cloud storage
[00:05]  * smaudet is /done with discussion
[00:06] <Rookie407> wondering if someone could shed some light on getting graphics drivers to work i seem to have gotten into a loop
[00:06] <hayer> Is there any application that can show stats(temp, load, mem usage, etc) on a website for remote servers?
[00:06] <Semper> it will save absolute heaps of bandwidth compared to truecrypt
[00:06] <Semper> huh?
[00:06] <Semper> I said what for, not if there was a reason not to?
[00:06] <smaudet> Semper: it was implied, anyways I'm not interested, I have nothing against luks
[00:06] <smaudet> :)
[00:06] <CADRE> Well I'm in the /home folder now
[00:06] <smaudet> Moving on
[00:06] <Rookie407> $ sudo dpkg -i nvidia-settings-legacy-173xx_173.14.37-1_i386.deb
[00:06] <Rookie407> (Reading database ... 208106 files and directories currently installed.)
[00:06] <Rookie407> Preparing to replace nvidia-settings-legacy-173xx 173.14.37-1 (using nvidia-settings-legacy-173xx_173.14.37-1_i386.deb) ...
[00:06] <Rookie407> Unpacking replacement nvidia-settings-legacy-173xx ...
[00:06] <Rookie407> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of nvidia-settings-legacy-173xx:
[00:06] <FloodBot1> Rookie407: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:06] <Rookie407>  nvidia-settings-legacy-173xx depends on nvidia-alternative-legacy-173xx; however:
[00:07] <CADRE> So what's the command to run this file again
[00:07] <Semper> Rookie407, use pastebin
[00:07] <smaudet> !pastebin | ubottu
[00:07] <smaudet> !pastebin | Rookie407
[00:07] <Semper> I implied if there was a reason not to what? I don't follow?
[00:08] <smaudet> Semper: great, there's nothing to discuss then
[00:08] <smaudet> dun wurry about it :)
[00:08] <Rookie407> anywho since the damage is already done can anyone take a look at the multi line post and help me out
[00:08] <smaudet> Rookie407: pastebinit and re-ask
[00:09] <Semper> It got cut off before the important part ;)
[00:09] <veryhappy> hey guys, someone know a way to make zsh automatically launch its suggestions while typing like in an ide for programming?
[00:09] <ATC243750496> hi
[00:09] <veryhappy> let's say auto content assist for zsh
[00:10] <smaudet> veryhappy: its called tab?
[00:10] <ATC243750496> why the background of nautilus in ubuntu in not white in default
[00:10] <smaudet> veryhappy: if you want a drop down menu, sorry I don't know if that exists
[00:10] <veryhappy> smaudet: not tab, AUTO complete
[00:10] <ATC243750496> can i change it to another color?
[00:11] <smaudet> veryhappy: don't know if it exists, how would you implement that if you wrote it?
[00:11] <Rookie407> http://pastebin.com/fBEt5dsi
[00:11] <veryhappy> smaudet: read properly dude, a simple way to make the suggestions that i already become simply show up automatically, nothing more.
[00:11] <veryhappy> sorry i mean get
[00:11] <smaudet> veryhappy: be civil 'dude'
[00:11] <veryhappy> smaudet :D
[00:12] <smaudet> veryhappy: and read properly, I asked you a question
[00:12] <Mark-Potter> bye
[00:12] <Rookie407> anyone
[00:13] <ATC243750496> why the background of nautilus in ubuntu in not white in default
[00:13] <whiptail> hmm
[00:13] <ATC243750496> i am in fedora
[00:13] <ATC243750496> and installed nautilus
[00:13] <veryhappy> smaudet: i would make autocompletion impelement as a function that auto completes as soon as the command fits unique
[00:13] <Semper> that pastebin loading for everyone?
[00:13] <ATC243750496> it's background color is white looked ugly
[00:13] <Semper> oh its just spr slow
[00:13] <ATC243750496> how can i change it
[00:13] <Semper> Rookie407, try apt-get install -f
[00:14] <Semper> sudo on the front
[00:14] <varunendra> ATC243750496, didn't you 'like' the same thing in Ubuntu? And did you try #fedora ?
[00:15] <Rookie407> http://pastebin.com/fBEt5dsi can anyone help me figure this out please im sooo new to ubuntu
[00:15] <smaudet> veryhappy: ok, so now, go write that :) Again, I don't know of any program that does it. If you find one or write one, let me know.
[00:15] <Rookie407> been at this for 4 days now
[00:15] <Semper> Rookie407, try apt-get install -f
[00:15] <Semper> sudo on the front
[00:15] <veryhappy> smaudet: ok
[00:16] <veryhappy> smaudet but what way could i use to distribute it
[00:16] <Semper> veryhappy, so you want what tab does already?
[00:16] <Semper> except it to auto whack tab after each keystroke
[00:16] <Rookie407> ok that removed two files
[00:16] <smaudet> Semper: no, tab pulls up a list of suggestions
[00:16] <Semper> true that
[00:16] <Hexagonite> How do you stop Ubuntu from logging you out when you suspend it for a long time?
[00:16] <Semper> though I was thinking on unique it fills
[00:16] <veryhappy> Semper: well, in eclipse i get with every type suggestions
[00:16] <smaudet> Semper: he wants it only to occur when the command is unique withing a given path
[00:16] <sarnold> hey, does this look familiar to anyone? "dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: files list file for package `humanity-icon-theme' contains empty filename" http://paste.ubuntu.com/6072727/
[00:16] <smaudet> within*
[00:16] <Semper> interesting, I have no idea.
[00:17] <Semper> Rookie407, what was the output of that?
[00:17] <varunendra> Hexagonite, log out or just Lock Screen?
[00:17] <veryhappy> ok so you guys, my idea was perhaps to make suggestions show up on each keystroke until a command is unique enough to auto complete
[00:17] <smaudet> veryhappy: github, launchpad, submit it to the debian developers, add it to your favorate Term Emu as a plugin
[00:17] <Semper> sarnold, check if the file download isn't corrupt
[00:17] <veryhappy> guess that would save lots of time dont you think
[00:17] <Hexagonite> varunendra: It fully logs you out, meaning, you're in LightDM after stopping the suspension
[00:17] <veryhappy> ok
[00:18] <smaudet> veryhappy: or you could write a bash script and try to submit it to the ubuntu community
[00:18] <smaudet> !dev | veryhappy
[00:18] <Semper> or debian ;)
[00:18] <veryhappy> thank you guys, smaudet: sorry for the "dude" :D
[00:18] <sarnold> Semper: I deleted all my debs and lists after getting it once, that's the second time..
[00:18] <Rookie407> Semper, it removed nvidia-settings-legacy-173xx and nvidia-alternatives
[00:18] <veryhappy> take care
[00:18] <Semper> check if the md5 matches
[00:18] <varunendra> Hexagonite, you mean all your open programs are closed when you log back in? That's not normal.
[00:18] <Semper> huh, Rookie407 I wouldn't have expected that
[00:19] <Semper> try to re install it from the start again
[00:19] <Hexagonite> varunendra: it's not? :S
[00:19] <Rookie407> got alternatives to install
[00:19] <smaudet> veryhappy, np
[00:19] <Hexagonite> varunendra: happens only when using 12.04
[00:19] <sarnold> Hexagonite: I suspend for days at a go without issue -- is your machine plugged in while suspended? you've only got a few days before the battery will be dead
[00:20] <sarnold> Hexagonite: battery is required to keep the memory refreshed when you suspend to ram
[00:20] <varunendra> Hexagonite, doesn't happen here. Or maybe I never tried that long enough. But that obviously would be an undesired behaviour. I'm on 12.04 too. (Didn't update for months though)
[00:20] <Rookie407> Semper, cant get the nvidia-settings-legacy-173xx to install now gives me 'dpkg: error processing nvidia-settings-legacy-173xx_173.14.37-1_i386.deb (--install): installing nvidia-settings-legacy-173xx would break nvidia-alternative-legacy-173xx, and deconfiguration is not permitted (--auto-deconfigure might help)
[00:20] <Hexagonite> sarnold: it's fully charged when I suspend it, one time, I came back to see it half charged
[00:20] <dtcrshr> I want to install the nvidia experimental drivers, which arent appearing on my adittional drivers. HOw do I add them to the repos?
[00:20] <Semper> try deconfigure as it said
[00:20] <Semper> if that doesnt work
[00:20] <Semper> purge the entire package and re install
[00:21] <Rookie407> not sure how to do that only been on linux for a week
[00:21] <Rookie407> 4 days spent trying to get these drivers to work right
[00:21] <Rookie407> atm i have no unity
[00:21] <Semper> if you're in ubuntu can you not get the nvidia drivers from the restricted packages?
[00:22] <Semper> I'm guessing it wants
[00:22] <Rookie407> no i have an old card which requires legacy drivers
[00:22] <varunendra> Hexagonite, how much RAM and swap do you have? And Ubuntu 32 bit or 64?
[00:22] <Semper> apt-get  --auto-deconfigure
[00:22] <Rookie407> i downloaded them from synaptic
[00:22] <Semper> apt-get install --auto-deconfigure
[00:23] <Rookie407> command line option not understood
[00:23] <Hexagonite> varunendra: 1.7GB (256MB used by graphics); swap is 4GB, I think; 64-bit
[00:23] <Semper> are you installing alternative first?
[00:23] <Rookie407> its already installed
[00:23] <varunendra> That's good enough, Hexagonite :|
[00:23] <Rookie407> trying to isntall the settings now
[00:24] <subcool> could i have a mini amount of help. My server has been acting up and freezing. WHich log file do i view to see the error that occured
[00:25] <l9> subcool start with dmesg
[00:25] <subcool> 19 doesnt dmesg clear during restart
[00:26] <sarnold> Semper: ha, looks like local disk corruption, /var/lib/dpkg/info/humanity-icon-theme.list is blown to pieces: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6072747/
[00:26] <smaudet> Rookie407 - are you comfortable with VT?
[00:26] <Semper> sounds to me like this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=688754
[00:26] <Rookie407> vt?
[00:26] <smaudet> You're going to probably have to uninstall the old version and re-install the newer one
[00:26] <varunendra> subcool, the older messages are stored in dmesg.0, dmesg.1, syslog.1 etc.
[00:26] <smaudet> If you do that you're going to lose your graphical X session
[00:26] <Rookie407> you mean TV (teamviewer)
[00:26] <smaudet> i.e. no pretty buttons
[00:26] <Semper> sarnold, thought it might be
[00:26] <smaudet> VT = Virtual Terminal
[00:26] <smaudet> Ctrl+Alt+F1
[00:26] <Rookie407> ummm
[00:27] <Rookie407> oh yeah
[00:27] <Rookie407> kinda
[00:27] <Semper> Ctrl + alt+ F7 takes you back to GUI
[00:27] <smaudet> is this the same computer you're using to install the drivers?
[00:27] <Rookie407> yes
[00:27] <smaudet> I'd get weechat before you take the plunge
[00:27] <smaudet> learn how to get onto irc with it
[00:27] <ntzrmtthihu777> Semper: yep, and you can have more than one gui running at once. f7-12, if I remember right
[00:27] <Semper> or use a second PC
[00:28] <Semper> only for the bold ntzrmtthihu777
[00:28] <Rookie407> i can get on irc via my phone
[00:28] <smaudet> Then you can put weechat in Ctrl+Alt+F2, work in Ctrl+Alt+F1
[00:28] <ntzrmtthihu777> Semper: I run arch :P
[00:28] <Semper> as do I ;)
[00:28] <usr13> Rookie407: Very limited, (using phone).
[00:28] <ntzrmtthihu777> :D
[00:28] <smaudet> Rookie407: yeah but if you have output you don't want to input it line by line
[00:28] <Rookie407> true
[00:28] <ntzrmtthihu777> Rookie407: irssi is frikken great for irc :P
[00:28] <smaudet> Rookie407: you can push to pastebin using pastebinit
[00:28] <smaudet> echo "my paste" | pastebinit
[00:29] <usr13> Rookie407: ntzrmtthihu777 is correct about irssi.
[00:29] <ntzrmtthihu777> smaudet: or to sprunge with curl :P
[00:29] <smaudet> sudo apt-get install | pastebinit
[00:29] <ntzrmtthihu777> usr13: it's saved my buns many times, like when I couldn't get a graphical session to start I used it in a tty to get help, lol.
[00:29] <smaudet> ntzrmtthihu777, sure, weechat is just what I know
[00:30] <ntzrmtthihu777> usr13: lynx has done the same, googling from the cli :P
[00:30] <smaudet> ntzrmtthihu777: i thought irssi was gui anyways? Don't use it much, w/e
[00:30] <Rookie407> downloading pastebinit
[00:30] <usr13> ntzrmtthihu777: Oh yea, there is a site I use lynx for every morning.
[00:31] <sarnold> Semper: hrm, any idea how to re-generate that .list file? I can't find anything related-looking in another deb I've got..
[00:31] <ntzrmtthihu777> smaudet: nope. It runs in a terminal, now you can have a terminal in normal gui, but you can also use it in one of the non-graphical consoles (ctrl+alt+f1-6)
[00:31] <Rookie407> ok got irssi now too
[00:31] <Semper> Fraid I have no idea.
[00:31] <sarnold> Semper: okay, thanks
[00:31] <Semper> smaudet, it sounds like Rookie407 is hitting this ttp://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=688754
[00:31] <Semper> but the version should be patched
[00:32] <Rookie407> totally have Semper but im sooo close to having the drivers working i can taste it
[00:32] <usr13> Rookie407: When you get some spare time, http://irssi.org/documentation
[00:32] <subcool> varunendra, i viewed the dmesg.0 - and searched for "error" - not really sure if the results would do it. I am suspecting one of my harddrives as being the reason for the consistant freeze/crashse.. but- linux is soo weird sometimes..
[00:32] <smaudet> Semper: hm
[00:32] <litropy> What's the best circuit design program for linux?
[00:32] <smaudet> Rookie407: before you uninstall the old nvidia package, I'd recommend adding a force install option
[00:32] <Semper> sarnold, if you DL'd the deb file
[00:33] <Rookie407> just gotta get the stupid nvidia-settings-legacy-173xx to install and i think i may have it
[00:33] <smaudet> sudo aptget -f install mypkg.deb
[00:33] <Semper> try redownloading it if the md5 doesnt match theirs
[00:33] <Semper> if their md5 is the same as the one computed for your download, they've mangled their file
[00:33] <Rookie407> apt-get not dpkg?
[00:33] <Rookie407> smaudet,
[00:33] <smaudet> Rookie407: err sorry yeah dpkg
[00:34] <smaudet> Rookie407: if you were using apt-get then I'd suggest the -f option
[00:34] <sarnold> Semper: dpkg appears to generate the file at install time, and dpkg is completely useless with this busted file. I _think_ I'll be able to generate the .list from the .md5sums file
[00:34] <varunendra> subcool, Linux is more verbose in my opinion, sometimes it does become confusing though ;) Oh, and syslog is more verbose than dmesg, gives more hints that may not be covered by dmesg.
[00:35] <Rookie407> smaudet, it deff did something i got a big output
[00:35] <Semper> I meant the whole deb sarnold
[00:35] <Semper> what is it?
[00:35] <Rookie407> sec ill pastebin it for ya
[00:35] <Semper> and where'd it come from?
[00:35] <Rookie407> not having unity takes forever to do things
[00:36] <Semper> Devs make mistakes sometimes, they might have pushed a broken file.
[00:36] <usr13> Rookie407: What things?
[00:36] <Semper> Rookie407, eurgh unity
[00:36] <subcool> varunendra, yeah.. i do agree. it is more verbose. im just use to finding the error, and i suppose they are just a bit more difficult which is frustrating. And it always happens when im not home. IM use to my Freenas and Vbox having HD issues, and causing the issues, but now im not really sure what it is. I know it is still related to my freenas and vbox, but- since ih ave to reboot to recover, i dont know where to begin to lo
[00:36] <subcool> cate the issues.
[00:36]  * Semper forms a cross symbol with fingers.
[00:36] <smaudet> Rookie: quite, I've had to re-suscitate Ubuntu from VT before
[00:36] <smaudet> Rookie: it was 'fun', to say the least
[00:37] <smaudet> Why I stopped installing non LTS
[00:37] <Rookie407> http://pastebin.com/y6MmWFDB
[00:37] <D-Chymera1> Hi guys, I know this is no photography channel, but I would say this is more of a technical issue. I have a model who would like to consent to granting me the rights to only a subset of the pictures from our shoot (following no particularly evident criterion) - would it be feasible to identify the images to which I then do own the rights via checksums? if so, can I use Git to simply compute the checksum?
[00:37] <smaudet> Although to be fair it died 'cause i was updating my kernel to an unsupported version
[00:37] <sarnold> Semper: http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/pool/main/h/humanity-icon-theme/humanity-icon-theme_0.6.1_all.deb
[00:37] <Semper> D-Chymera1, you can just use md5sum locally
[00:38] <Semper> for example, if you are in the directory
[00:38] <Rookie407> usr13, anything im having to constantly open and close everything via terminal cuz i have no alt+tab functionality no unity no nothing but terminal cant even drag to move things or else everything freezes till i reboot
[00:38] <smaudet> D-Chymeral: no
[00:38] <Semper> md5sum * >> mylistofmd5hashes.txt
[00:38] <smaudet> D-Chymeral: you need to use a more advanced DSP algorithm
[00:38] <Semper> as to owning the rights by checksum
[00:38] <smaudet> D-Chymeral: too easy to change a single pixel
[00:38] <Semper> no idea
[00:38] <smaudet> Then the checksum goes out the door
[00:39] <Rookie407> yall catch that pastebin?
[00:39] <Jagst3r15> any place to get my idea heard?
[00:39] <Semper> like smaudet says, you need to have something that does image recog really
[00:39] <Jagst3r15> I know they got rid of brainstorm
[00:39] <smaudet> No, no image recog
[00:39] <smaudet> Just some algorithm for image 'signature'
[00:39] <jrib> D-Chymera1: that seems like a good solution, though I would suggest sha256 instead
[00:39] <smaudet> By which I mean Facial Recognition isn't going to help you here.
[00:40] <Semper> jrib, the problem is that the hash will change completely if you even cropped the image
[00:40] <jrib> Semper: so?
[00:40] <Semper> he still owns the rights to a cropped image
[00:40] <aem`> I need assistance with an ubuntu install on a blank hdd....
[00:40] <usr13> Rookie407: Yea, line 10
[00:40] <sarnold> Semper: ha! it was easier than I thought -- I moved /var/lib/dpkg/info/humanity-icon-theme.list out of the way and then was able to use dpkg -i to install the .deb right on top of the old one, no trouble. Thanks mate. :)
[00:40] <jrib> Semper: he just has to show how he obtained the cropped image from the old one
[00:40] <varunendra> subcool, is the SMART status good on the drives? fsck ?
[00:40] <Semper> now what if I add a filter
[00:41] <Semper> or 5 filters
[00:41] <aem`> can anybody help?
[00:41] <Semper> in a row
[00:41] <usr13> Rookie407:  What does lspci say about your video card?  lspci |grep VGA
[00:41] <sarnold> D-Chymera1: what problem are you trying to solve with the checksums?
[00:41] <jrib> Semper: same thing
[00:41] <Semper> add some text
[00:41] <Semper> it becomes impossible for him to compute the correct hash
[00:41] <sarnold> D-Chymera1: if you just delete the files the model doesn't want you to use, hooray. problem solved. right?
[00:41] <Semper> because he doesnt know what they changed
[00:41] <aem`> can somebody assist me please
[00:41] <D-Chymera1> jrib: why that? also why not sha1sum?
[00:41] <subcool> varunendra, the SMART status on my PATA drive is acting up.
[00:41] <jrib> Semper: any decent image editor will save the history.  He's saving the hash of the original and the steps used to obtain new from original
[00:41] <Rookie407> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82915G/GV/910GL Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 04)
[00:41] <Rookie407> 03:02.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5500] (rev a1)
[00:41] <aem`> ffffs
[00:41] <sarnold> aem`: irc works best if you can ask specific questions.
[00:41] <subcool> varunendra, but- that wouldnt cause it to freeze
[00:42] <jrib> D-Chymera1: some people run away from md5sum nowadays because people can generate collisions for it
[00:42] <aem`> i did sarnold lol
[00:42] <usr13> Rookie407: it's a laptop?
[00:42] <Rookie407> desk
[00:42] <aem`> i asked how to properly install ubuntu in a blank hdd
[00:42] <aem`> one hdd is for win7
[00:42] <Semper> jrib, you don't have the history
[00:42] <Semper> someone stole your image
[00:42] <aem`> other has 2 partitions
[00:42] <sarnold> aem`: ah, it was before I joined then. :)
[00:42] <Semper> and did "stuff" to it
[00:42] <aem`> lol
[00:42] <aem`> its k
[00:42] <varunendra> subcool, why wouldn't it? Maybe there are bad clusters expanding to areas they shouldn't?
[00:42] <aem`> i just need some help
[00:42] <Semper> then you cannot probe using hashes that it is yours
[00:42] <aem`> it won't work properly
[00:43] <aem`> only works if i partion my main hdd which i dont want
[00:43] <smaudet> D-Chymera1: not a question of security of the hash algorithm, in fact the better the checksum, the worse suited it is to catching 'similar' photos
[00:43] <jrib> Semper: are you sure that's D-Chymera1's intent with the checksums?  I believe he just wants to have a record of the images that the model consented to
[00:43] <Semper> indeed
[00:43] <smaudet> md5, at least, you can spoof a similar image, thanks to its insecurity
[00:43] <Semper> well yes it does depend on exactly what he wants
[00:43] <Rookie407> usr13, not sure why it would break it if it needs nvidia-alternatives to work
[00:43] <sarnold> aem`: you may need to change the hard drive boot order in your BIOS to put the Ubuntu disk in a higher priority -- that way you can be prompted to boot windows or linux without needing to modify your windows disk
[00:44] <usr13> Rookie407: So the intel is onboard?
[00:44] <subcool> varunendra, i have run the disk utility on the drives, they appear to be fine.
[00:44] <smaudet> jrib: generally if someone wants to 'identify' an image, they want to identify it and all modifications if it
[00:44] <Rookie407> yes
[00:44] <smaudet> If they don't, then, yeah, md5'd be fine
[00:44] <jrib> Semper: are you sure that's D-Chymera1's intent with the checksums?  I believe he just wants to have a record of the images that the model consented to.  Only D-Chymera1 can clarify ;)
[00:44] <usr13> Rookie407: 32bit or 64bit Ubuntu?
[00:44] <aem`> sarnold i was actally hoping i could just make a 10 second window where you have choice via win7
[00:44] <Semper> Well if that's the case
[00:44] <Semper> why do you need md5 at all?
[00:44] <aem`> that's how i did it in the past
[00:44] <Semper> what purpose does it serve?
[00:45] <Rookie407> 32bit
[00:45] <jrib> Semper: well say he wants the model to sign a contract.
[00:45] <Semper> you have the image already
[00:45] <smaudet> Semper: just as a way of keeping stuff in a db
[00:45] <sarnold> aem`: you want to use the windows 7 bootloader instead?
[00:45] <Rookie407> ubuntu 13.04 RR
[00:45] <D-Chymera1> sarnold: I archive all of my shots - a) you never know b)why destroy information?
[00:45] <aem`> yes sarnold
[00:45] <sarnold> D-Chymera1: aha :)
[00:45] <smaudet> Semper: md5 the images, and keep an indexed db of them
[00:45] <Semper> if it is for that then yeah
[00:45] <D-Chymera1> jrib: that was my intentt, yes
[00:45] <Semper> so you can lookup the ones you can use easily
[00:45] <Semper> fair enough
[00:45] <aem`> essentially a dual boot for win7 and ubuntu from win7 boot loader...
[00:45] <smaudet> Rookie407: sorry, looking for your paste
[00:46] <Semper> i'd do what I said
[00:46] <Semper> md5sum * >> mylistofmd5hashes.txt
[00:46] <D-Chymera1> why sha256sum  and not sha1sum
[00:46] <D-Chymera1> ?
[00:46] <varunendra> subcool, well if SMART is 'acting up', there is a possible culprit. If no other hints are found, why not try changing the drive?
[00:46] <Ben64> aem`: grub would work easier
[00:46] <aem`> Ben64 tbh i don't like grub
[00:46] <Rookie407> smaudet, http://pastebin.com/y6MmWFDB
[00:46] <aem`> unless its impossible without grub
[00:47] <varunendra> subcool, if there are I/O errors, I think they should get logged in syslog.
[00:47] <sarnold> aem`: this looks promising: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/use-the-windows-bootloader-to-dual-boot-windows-vista-and-ubuntu.html
[00:47] <Semper> D-Chymera1, usually it is to avoid collisions as MD5 can easily manipulated to give the same hash for different things
[00:47] <Ben64> aem`: how often do you hang out in the bootloader that it even matters which it is?
[00:47] <Semper> however I don't think that is required in this case
[00:47] <subcool> varunendra, i have been moving drives. i have had two drives actually fail. so ive been moving files around. but now- im a bit baffled
[00:47] <sarnold> aem`: a user on askubuntu.com thought it was the best solution, http://askubuntu.com/a/79967/33812
[00:47] <smaudet> Rookie407: that just looks like a data dump
[00:47] <Semper> spoofing an image hash doesn't even make sense in this case
[00:48] <Semper> I suppose that this would work too
[00:48] <Semper> md5sum * >> *.txt
[00:48] <sarnold> eeeek, not *.txt
[00:48] <Semper> the idea of it, perhaps not programmatically
[00:48] <Semper> is it $1?
[00:48] <varunendra> subcool, how often the crash happens? Sorry I didn't follow your question from beginning.
[00:48] <smaudet> Rookie407: I don't think there is a 'force' option for dpkg, go ahead and run the sudo apt-get remove badnvidiapackage && sudo dpkg -i mynvidiapkg.deb
[00:48] <Semper> I cannot remember off the top of my head
[00:48] <Semper> but you know what I mean
[00:49] <smaudet> And run it in a VT1
[00:49] <sarnold> if you have a single file ending with .txt in the name, it'll have the md5sums appended..
[00:49] <jrib> D-Chymera1: that's what I've seen used in documents. I believe SHA-1 is no longer recommended
[00:49] <Rookie407> E: Unable to locate package badnvidiapackage
[00:49] <subcool> varunendra, - if i leave the computer running long enough- it happens daily.
[00:49] <Semper> jrib, pretty sure it isnt relevant here
[00:50] <Semper> if they some how made a collision it wouldn't be legible
[00:50] <Guest28197> should use SHA-3 \o/
[00:50] <subcool> varunendra, it use to be based on my massive filing movement, but now it crashes simply by staying on
[00:50] <smaudet> Rookie407: :P you have to replace 'badnvidiapackage' with the name of the package that is failing when you try to sudo dpkg -i yournvidiapackage.deb
[00:50] <jrib> Semper: I agree.  But this way you avoid the issue coming up (it doesn't really cost you anything)
[00:50] <Rookie407> haha i knew that
[00:51] <smaudet> jrib: sha1 is no longer viable for cryptographically secure purposes
[00:51] <smaudet> its still a perfectly valid hash
[00:51] <Semper> I don't think it is possible for the issue to come up at all
[00:51] <Semper> hence why I think md5 will suffice
[00:51] <Semper> or any hash algo
[00:51] <Semper> within limits ofc
[00:51] <smaudet> md5 is more then adequate for e.g. hash tables
[00:51] <smaudet> in fact md5 is a bit slow and verbose for that purpose, even
[00:52] <Rookie407> couldnt find package by regex
[00:52] <smaudet> Rookie407: make sure you got the right package
[00:52] <smaudet> Rookie407: i.e you typed it right
[00:52] <Rookie407> i did
[00:52] <Rookie407> copy paste XD
[00:52] <sarnold> okay, enough drinking from the firehose :)  thanks Semper for the help. ta!
[00:52] <smaudet> dpkg -l 'badnvidiapackage'
[00:52] <jrib> well my only concern would be that someone without proper understanding will make the complaint.  And since you don't lose anything, why not just use SHA-2?  But yes, practically, md5 or SHA-1 would work fine.
[00:52] <smaudet> dpkg -l badnvidiapackage
[00:53] <jrib> (as you said)
[00:53] <smaudet> sorry no quotes
[00:53] <smaudet> and if that doesn't turn anything up:
[00:53] <smaudet> dpkg -l badnvidiapackage*
[00:53] <Semper> I say md5 because I can code this quickly
[00:53] <Semper> for file in *.jpeg; do
[00:53] <Semper>     md5sum "$file" >> "$file.md5"
[00:53] <Semper> done
[00:53] <Semper> :P
[00:53] <FloodBot1> Semper: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:53] <usr13> Rookie407: The sofrware from nvidia.com is NVIDIA-Linux-x86-325.15.run
[00:53] <jrib> Semper: well you have sha256sum too :P
[00:53] <smaudet> Semper: s/md5/sha256/g
[00:53] <smaudet> not hard :P
[00:54] <Semper> Ha, I never used if from terminal before
[00:54] <smaudet> s/sha256/sha256sum/g
[00:54] <Semper> but you could shove whatever over md5sum
[00:54] <varunendra> subcool, I'd suggest you analyse the whole dmesg.0, syslog.1 immediately after a reboot (after crash). If they don't contain any hint, then maybe the crash is happening too fast to be logged, probably due to a hardware issue.
[00:54] <Rookie407> dpkg-query: no packages found matching nvidia-settings-legacy-173xx_173.14.37-1_i386.deb
[00:54] <subcool> varunendra, thats what i was fearing aswel
[00:54] <subcool> varunendra, but its hard to say
[00:54] <smaudet> D-Chymera1: if you don't care what happens to your images, and you have lots of them, use md5sum
[00:54] <smaudet> Semper/jrib are just being pedantic
[00:55] <varunendra> subcool, yes it is, from what we have so far to guess by. :)
[00:55] <smaudet> sha256sum is going to take longer ;)
[00:55] <Semper> indeed
[00:55] <Semper> Though using md5 =/= you don't care about what happens to the images
[00:55] <subcool> varunendra, im not entirely use to viewing crash information from linux.. would it always be in "error" form.
[00:55] <smaudet> Rookie407: dpkg -l nvidia-settings-legacy-173*
[00:56] <D-Chymera1> smaudet: what do you mean by "if I don't care what happens to them"?
[00:56] <Semper> its just that any work, and the pedantry that otherwise goes with hashing for passwords is not relevant here.
[00:56] <smaudet> D-Chymera1: when I was saying earlier about not using md5sum, if you don't care about the hash for the purposes of e.g. catching people using altered versions of your photos
[00:56] <Rookie407> same output smaudet
[00:56] <Guest28197> using any of the mentioned algorithms for hashing passwords is silly. there's a reason *crypt algorithms exist
[00:56] <smaudet> D-Chymera1: its entirely unsuitable for that purpose
[00:56] <Semper> as are all hashing methods like md5
[00:57] <smaudet> D-Chymera1: unless you already found the altered version and just wanted to ensure that it was altered
[00:57] <varunendra> subcool, most often yes, but since it is completely crashing the system, it may not get time to log the final 'Error' line. You may try analysing 'All' the previous versions of these logs, but that would be an uphill task. :(
[00:57] <subcool> varunendra, not that much, but understanding all of it is hard
[00:57] <smaudet> D-Chymera1: md5sum is a 'yes/no' algorithm
[00:57] <subcool> varunendra, some times a crash isnt very blatten
[00:58] <smaudet> D-Chymera1: you'll need a DSP algorithm like I said before if you want to e.g. find copies of it online
[00:58] <subcool> varunendra, ill try.. thanks for the help.. ijust wasnt sure which log files to view...
[00:58] <D-Chymera1> smaudet: am I supposed to write a crawler that hashes all the images on the internet to find similar ones? :) I will hash raw files (.NEF) I guess md5 coud also not identify a jpg that was processed from those - right?
[00:58] <teenwood32> hi !!
[00:58] <varunendra> subcool, my personal method to analyse these issues is to look for suspicious keywords in the logs. Not necessarily errors.
[00:58] <subcool> varunendra, but im not sure how to compare the times.. and dates
[00:58] <smaudet> D-Chymera1: no, you aren't
[00:58] <Semper> D-Chymera1, the tl;dr is you cannot really use any hashing algo to prove someone stole the image and edited it. However, if you are building a database to lookup images that you can use from ones you have taken
[00:58] <Semper> then that would work
[00:58] <teenwood32> is friday !! is a we happe n  ??
[00:58] <teenwood32> :D :D
[00:59] <smaudet> But if you want to find images on the internet, and you don't want to use just Google Image
[00:59] <usr13> Rookie407: My advise is to uninstall all nvidia packages and get it from nvidia.com NVIDIA-Linux-x86-325.15.run
[00:59] <smaudet> Yeah, you'll need to write a crawler
[00:59] <subcool> varunendra, yea, thgats what im uyse to with window,s but linxu has soo much babble, its sometimes uncohearent.
[00:59] <smaudet> And run a server, and all the headache that entails ;)
[00:59] <Semper> hashing is good for only one thing
[00:59] <Semper> does this = this
[00:59] <varunendra> subcool, in syslog, the date and time is clearly defined. In dmesg, the number in the large bracket is the time in seconds since the system booted.
[00:59] <Rookie407> usr13, thats not the right drivers i need legacy drivers
[01:00] <Rookie407> this is the last thing i have to install i got that feeling if i get this installed then everything will work!
[01:00] <varunendra> *read defined = given ;)
[01:00] <smaudet> Rookie407: hmm, try installing your .deb file again then
[01:00] <teenwood32> jijij
[01:00] <smaudet> pastebin the output, maybe something changed
[01:00] <jrib> D-Chymera1: hashing is only good for taking your exact image pixel by pixel and mapping it to some number.  If that's not what you want, then hashing isn't what you want
[01:00] <subcool> varunendra, i wasnt sure what those # Iin dmesg were
[01:00] <chaotix> hello...  is there a terminal command for moving up a directory?
[01:00] <subcool> thanks.. im going to serach it now..
[01:00] <teenwood32> whats up
[01:00] <jrib> chaotix: cd ..
[01:00] <usr13> Rookie407: Ok
[01:00] <D-Chymera1> Semper: smaudet I seem to get different opinions from you two - say I (manually) come across a downsized, edited jpg which I think comes from my raw file - what can I do with (what) hash algos ?
[01:00] <chaotix> jrib, thank you
[01:01] <Guest28197> D-Chymera1: nothing
[01:01] <chaotix> jrib, i was trying without the space
[01:01] <smaudet> D-Chymera1: zilch, nothing, nada
[01:01] <D-Chymera1> jrib: no, that is what I want - I am exploring some other possibilities people suggested
[01:01] <jrib> chaotix: some people alias ".." to "cd .."
[01:01] <smaudet> D-Chymera1: the md5 algorithm will tell you the two pictures are 'not the same'
[01:01] <varunendra> subcool, now you know :)
[01:01] <subcool> "and nowing is half the battle"
[01:02] <Semper> D-Chymera1, yep, it will only tell you they are not the same
[01:02] <varunendra> lol
[01:02] <Rookie407> smaudet, http://pastebin.com/xPAKcGFk
[01:02] <usr13> Rookie407: ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/nvidia*list  #Will show you what nvidia packages you now have.
[01:02] <Semper> D-Chymera1, pm me with what you are exactly after.
[01:03] <smaudet> Rookie407: you could try what the error message suggests, add the --auto-deconfigure option
[01:03] <varunendra> subcool, the real battle for a sysadmin begins when they have to analyse these logs without a proper hint ;)
[01:03] <smaudet> i.e. 'sudo dpkg --auto-deconfigure -i nvidia-settings-legacy-173xx_173.14.37-1_i386.deb'
[01:03] <Rookie407> smaudet, i tryed that it didnt work
[01:03] <dmbonez> i switched from on-board graphics to pcie graphics and lightdm fails?
[01:03] <Rookie407> according to the output of ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/nvidia*list the nvidia-settings-legacy-173xx is there
[01:04] <Rookie407> even though i keep getting that error why is that
[01:04] <usr13> "Rookie407: Errors were encountered while processing: nvidia-settings-legacy-173xx_173.14.37-1_i386.deb"  "installing nvidia-settings-legacy-173xx would break nvidia-alternative-legacy-173xx, and deconfiguration is not permitted (--auto-deconfigure might help)"
[01:05] <Rookie407> usr13, that command is not understood
[01:05] <smaudet> Rookie407: that is not a command
[01:05] <smaudet> that's why ;)
[01:05] <usr13> Rookie407: It is not a command, it is the error message from your paste.
[01:06] <usr13> Rookie407: Read it.
[01:06] <Rookie407> i mean the --auto-deconfigure
[01:06] <Rookie407> ...
[01:06] <aem`> ty guys
[01:06] <smaudet> Rookie407: pastebin this for me: 'dpkg -l nvidia*'
[01:07] <Nox_404> Hi, i need help on SDL framework, someone can help me ?
[01:07] <smaudet> !offtopic | Nox_404
[01:08] <Nox_404> smaudet: sorry wrong chan
[01:08] <smaudet> Nox_404,np
[01:08] <delinquentme> anyone know how to check a USB to see if its in host mode?
[01:10] <usr13> Rookie407: dpkg -l nvidia* |pastebinit  #SHow us resulting URL.
[01:11] <Rookie407> sorry was outside smokin
[01:12] <Rookie407> smaudet, usr13, http://pastebin.com/KqTkU582
[01:12] <Rookie407> those results dont make sense
[01:13] <smaudet> Rookie407: I agree
[01:13] <usr13> Rookie407: Uninstall them.
[01:13] <usr13> Rookie407: Why not just run   nvidia-common ?
[01:13] <smaudet> usr13: no the output of that command is garbage
[01:13] <smaudet> he should see something like this:
[01:13] <smaudet> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6072850/
[01:14] <Rookie407> =\
[01:15] <Rookie407> im just to the point now where imma say forget it all together and go back to winblows
[01:15] <Semper> good god no
[01:15] <Rookie407> 4 days into it and still no progress
[01:15] <smaudet> Rookie407: if that command doesn't work there's something seriously wrong with your packages...
[01:15] <smaudet> what distro are you using?
[01:15] <Rookie407> ubuntu 13.04 RR
[01:16] <smaudet> RR?
[01:16] <usr13> Rookie407: sudo apt-get remove nvidia*   #And start over.
[01:16] <smaudet> Oh nvm
[01:16] <smaudet> Rookie407: try usr13's command
[01:16] <smaudet> if that spits garbage you may want to re-download ubuntu and re-install
[01:16] <rcythr> Has anyone here managed to get multithreading working with gcc-4.8 using the package from Saucy? I've tried everything I can think of and g++ refuses to link pthreads. It acts as if it's linking a single threaded lib instead of the multithread one
[01:16] <Rookie407> this will be the 20th time i've started over... =\
[01:17] <Ben64> i haven't been following whats going on, which video card do you have Rookie407
[01:17] <usr13> Rookie407: And then install nvidia-173
[01:17] <Rookie407> nvidia geforce fx 5500
[01:17] <Flannel> rcythr: #ubuntu+1 for Saucy support, thanks.
[01:17] <smaudet> Rookie407: new CD, new flash drive?
[01:17] <usr13> Rookie407: sudo apt-get install nvidia-173
[01:17] <Rookie407> what you mean smaudet
[01:18] <usr13> !info !nvidia-173 | Rookie407
[01:18] <rcythr> Flannel: thanks I knew there would be a channel for it somewhere, just didn't know what it was called.
[01:18] <Flannel> rcythr: No worries.  Good luck!
[01:18] <smaudet> Rookie407: when you re-download/re-install ubuntu, start with a *fresh* install media
[01:18] <Rookie407> and usr13 not to be rude man but i really dont wanna start over again. i've gotten soo far with it already
[01:18] <smaudet> if you've tried unsuccesfully to install 20 times
[01:18] <smaudet> there is probably something wrong with your computer
[01:19] <smaudet> or the install media
[01:19] <Rookie407> its old as dirt is whats wrong =P
[01:19] <usr13> Rookie407: sudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia*   #And start over.
[01:19] <Rookie407> p4 processor with 2gb ram
[01:19] <smaudet> Rookie407: try 12.04.3 LTS
[01:19] <smaudet> 13.04 is bad for old computers
[01:19] <smaudet> 12.04.3 is good for them
[01:19] <usr13> Rookie407: Old as dirt?
[01:19] <Rookie407> my computer usr13
[01:20] <Semper> lol
[01:20] <Semper> hardcore
[01:20] <Semper> I put arch on my crappy laptops
[01:20] <usr13> Rookie407: sudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia*  &&  sudo apt-get install nvidia-173
[01:21] <smaudet> Rookie407: Nvidia can be bumpy at times but those commands shoulda worked, if dpkg -l nvidia* is broken, odds are the whole system is broken. Still to be safe, run the commands usr13 gave and verify they don't work
[01:21] <usr13> Rookie407: I'd turn off the X server first,  sudo /etc/init.d/lightdm stop
[01:21] <Rookie407> whats a good distro aside from ubuntu that would run on this thing
[01:21] <smaudet> Well there's the 12.04.3
[01:21] <smaudet> I'd recommend PuppyDog Linux
[01:21] <smaudet> CrunchBang
[01:21] <smaudet> And Arch
[01:21] <Ben64> i'd recommend 12.04
[01:21] <Ben64> none of those others are supported here
[01:21] <smaudet> But Arch is for advanceds users mostly
[01:22] <Rookie407> i wanted to use mint but it seems to require dual core
[01:22] <smaudet> You probably want to stick with crunchbang or puppydog
[01:22] <smaudet> if you can't 12.04.3 to work for you either
[01:22] <Semper> wat
[01:22] <Semper> mint needs dual core?
[01:22] <usr13> Rookie407: See my PM
[01:22] <Ben64> mint isn't supported here
[01:22] <Semper> as in it refuses to install on a toaster?
[01:22] <smaudet> 13.04 is for nice *new* computers, not old ones
[01:22] <Rookie407> i have a 10.x copy of ubu somewhere and i know the drivers worked for it
[01:23] <Ben64> 10.04 is no longer supported for desktops
[01:23] <Ben64> use 12.04
[01:23] <usr13> Rookie407: Forget it 10.x is too old.
[01:23] <smaudet> Um
[01:23] <Rookie407> lol
[01:23] <smaudet> Ben64: read the irc title
[01:23] <usr13> Rookie407: One thing is for sure, you won't fix it if you don't try.
[01:23] <smaudet> 10.04 LTS is supported for servers
[01:23] <Ben64> which isn't a desktop
[01:23] <Rookie407> true that usr13
[01:23] <smaudet> oh well i guess you said 'desktop'
[01:23] <smaudet> meh fine
[01:23] <worrow> need some help reviving an old beast
[01:23] <Semper> Are there any devs in? I have a serious bone to pick about apache!
[01:24] <Semper> Someone backport it from debian already
[01:24] <Semper> Forward secrecy doesn't work!
[01:24] <worrow> Dell Vostro 1000, Any linux dist I try and boot to install starts with black screen and colored lines. Any ideas?
[01:24] <Semper> 2.4 has been out for a YEAR!
[01:24] <Semper> worrow, that sounds broken
[01:24] <Ben64> Semper: this is not the right channel for rants
[01:24] <Rookie407> brb gonna reboot
[01:24] <smaudet> !ot | Semper
[01:24] <smaudet> #apache?
[01:24] <Semper> well no
[01:24] <Semper> its a ubuntu issue
[01:25] <usr13> Rookie407: Ctrl-Alt-F6 [and login] sudo /etc/init.d/lightdm stop && sudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia*  &&  sudo apt-get install nvidia-173 && reboot
[01:25] <worrow> Dell Vostro 1000, Any linux dist I try and boot to install starts with black screen and colored lines. Any ideas?
[01:25] <smaudet> !ask | Semper
[01:25] <Semper> they haven't backported apache 2.4 despite debian having it in the same repo.
[01:25] <usr13> Rookie407: Not all at once, but do it separately.
[01:25] <smaudet> Semper: have you tried installing it from deb?
[01:25] <smaudet> Or is it dep hell?
[01:25] <Semper> That's dep hell
[01:25] <smaudet> *sigh*
[01:25] <Semper> and maintaining it would be a cluster fuck
[01:26] <smaudet> Glad I don't run an apache server on here then.
[01:26] <Semper> >doing that on a production machine
[01:26] <Semper> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[01:26] <IdleOne> !language
[01:26] <worrow> is there some graphics option i can try and disable to get past a blac screen with colored lines before install?
[01:26] <Semper> apologies ;)
[01:26] <smaudet> IdleOne: clusterfuck is !language?
[01:27] <worrow> Not much help in here today.
[01:27] <Semper> I tend to assume anyone who can use IRC is over 16
[01:27] <Semper> worrow, like I said
[01:28] <Semper> it sounds like it is broken
[01:28] <Semper> gpu sounds fried
[01:28] <IdleOne> age has nothing to do with the language rule
[01:28] <IdleOne> !guidelines
[01:28] <Semper> are you a person?
[01:28] <worrow> how would I be able to find out? I did have 1 disc initially go right into live desktop but the next time would not. I know it is working, just lacking some kernel or driver
[01:28] <usr13> Semper: Over 1600 and no one under 16?  Ok....
[01:29] <DuncanNZ> Semper: ubottu is a bot triggered when people write something starting with a !
[01:29] <Semper> worrow, I thought you said this had been happening under many live disks?
[01:29] <worrow> Semper, yes it has.
[01:29] <Semper> I meant IdleOne  DuncanNZ
[01:29] <Semper> what about windows worrow ?
[01:29] <Semper> got a install usb / disk about for that?
[01:29] <Semper> either: it's broke, or something funny in the kernel
[01:30] <worrow> Windows it fine
[01:30] <Semper> oooh weird.
[01:30] <Semper> interesting.
[01:30] <worrow> its older and would run better on an ubuntu distro
[01:30] <Semper> try doing a full install, it may be a momentary thing
[01:31] <worrow> but I am unable to see anything
[01:31] <Semper> IdleOne, are you a person? >_<
[01:31] <IdleOne> Semper: I am.
[01:31] <worrow> is there some boot command to avoid this?
[01:31] <Semper> I see.
[01:31] <Semper> worrow, not that I am aware of.
[01:31] <worrow> Can I run a boot command on a dvd?
[01:31] <Semper> you got a spare screen?
[01:31] <Semper> hook that up and see if it persists
[01:31] <worrow> nope
[01:32] <Semper> I dunno how to help tbh
[01:32] <Semper> it you cannot get on it, you cannot really work out what isn't working easily
[01:32] <Semper> I would suggest googling the GPU +ubuntu to see if someone has dealt with it before
[01:33] <Semper> failing that, remote install ubuntu with SSH
[01:33] <worrow> how can I do that?
[01:33] <Semper> should be able to do that with ubuntu server
[01:33] <usr13> !ubottu | Semper
[01:33] <Semper> I think ...
[01:33] <Semper> but usr13 I was asking IdleOne  :P
[01:33] <dns42> hey guys, is there a way to define an alternative not permanently (using update-alternatives) but temporarily, just for a single session?
[01:34] <kellmoo69> Hello All
[01:34] <SchrodingersScat> kellmoo69: hello
[01:34] <dns42> that means, i want to have ruby 1.9.1 for a user session, but 1.8 for everyone else
[01:35] <kellmoo69> Newbie here - fresh install of Ubuntu Server 12.04 LTS having trouble setting up Samba
[01:36] <usr13> kellmoo69: What's the trouble?
[01:36] <LinuxGold> http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/exploits_of_a_mom.png
[01:36] <LinuxGold> lol
[01:36] <SchrodingersScat> kellmoo69: this seemed like a thing that you might check out: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/samba-fileserver.html
[01:36] <SchrodingersScat> !samba | kellmoo69
[01:37] <SchrodingersScat> kellmoo69: probably best to ues that latest 12.04 link, rather than my 10.04 which is what google spit up on me
[01:37] <usr13> SchrodingersScat: Prolly not much difference tho...
[01:38] <kellmoo69> Get this error message,   sudo gedit /etc/samba/smb.conf
[01:38] <kellmoo69> sudo: gedit: command not found
[01:38] <Semper> install gedit
[01:38] <usr13> kellmoo69: gksudo
[01:38] <kellmoo69> i dont understand why "command not found"
[01:38] <SchrodingersScat> kellmoo69: oh, right, you are on server right? try nano
[01:38] <Semper> nano works too
[01:38] <Semper> ctrl+x to quit
[01:38] <Semper> and save
[01:38] <SchrodingersScat> kellmoo69: and or whatever cli text editor you like, unless you have a gui
[01:38] <usr13> kellmoo69: gksudo gedit /etc/samba/smb.conf
[01:38] <kellmoo69> oh really, i will try that brb
[01:39] <kellmoo69> gksu is not installed it tells me
[01:39] <dr_willis> heh -- the command was not found.. whats not to understand
[01:39] <dr_willis> 'gksudo'  for gui apps
[01:40] <dr_willis> i think gksu is being phased out. ssaw some mention of that on askubuntu.com
[01:40] <kellmoo69> i will try sudo nano
[01:40] <SchrodingersScat> kellmoo69: yeah, you probably don't have most packages that involve graphics.
[01:40] <Semper> is gedit installed by default?
[01:40] <dr_willis> nano, fte, vi  ;) all handy editors to know
[01:40] <Semper> EMACS
[01:40] <Semper> huehuehue
[01:41] <kellmoo69> HEY sudo nano works!
[01:41] <kellmoo69> oh fantastic
[01:41] <smaudet> or just gksu
[01:41] <kellmoo69> @SchrodingersScat thank you!
[01:41] <dr_willis> nano tip #1  =    ^ means Hit the ctrl key  :)     ^w = ctrl+w
[01:41] <kellmoo69> all everyone else :)
[01:41] <smaudet> dr_willis: gksudo is just for the cmdline, yes?
[01:42] <Semper> thats the only way you can type it in certainly :P
[01:42] <usr13> gksudo is for GUI apps like gedit
[01:42] <dr_willis> gksudo is for gui apps. it can work with cli apps if you want ti pop up a dialog asking for the password (like in a script)
[01:42] <kellmoo69> @dr_willis good tip, thanks
[01:42] <smaudet> dr_willis: sure but I just ran e.g. 'gksu gedit' and it works fine
[01:42] <dr_willis> one of the reasons i HATE nano being reccomened to beginners.. they have no idea what ^ means
[01:42] <usr13>  sudo is all you need for CLI apps
[01:42] <dr_willis> gksu is being phased out smaudet
[01:42] <ntzrmtthihu777> gksudo or kdsudo, depending on the de
[01:42] <dr_willis> or somthing like that
[01:43] <smaudet> dr_willis: for what reason?
[01:43] <usr13> Yea, I like vi better
[01:43] <usr13> vim
[01:43] <SchrodingersScat> kellmoo69: cli is superior, hang in there
[01:43] <smaudet> dr_willis: and I can always just alias gksu to gksudo
[01:43] <usr13> ntzrmtthihu777: Thanks for correction, (didn't know that...).
[01:43] <ntzrmtthihu777> you know what, I never had issue with nano, even when I was first starting linux on ubuntu lucid
[01:43] <dr_willis> smaudet:  whats the point.. the 2 commands do slightly difffernt things..
[01:43] <smaudet> dr_willis: i.e. what technical reason is it being phased out?
[01:44] <usr13> ntzrmtthihu777: Good for you!  :)
[01:44] <dr_willis> smaudet:  check askubuntu.com - they mentioned it a few weeks ago
[01:44] <ntzrmtthihu777> usr13: I only know that accidentally, I always have used gtk de's
[01:44] <Semper> does e17 work in ubuntu?
[01:44] <dr_willis> Semper:  you can install E17 on ubuntu
[01:44] <usr13> ntzrmtthihu777: Good to know.....
[01:44] <steve__> it works in ubuntu as well as it works elsewhere
[01:45] <Semper> badly?
[01:45] <Semper> huehuehue
[01:45] <Semper> I jk
[01:45] <dr_willis> ive nevr really had 'e' of any # work well
[01:45] <smaudet> dr_willis: oh ok user privs
[01:45] <kellmoo69> question - is it possible to make my Samba visible only to my local home network?
[01:45] <Semper> Last time I tried e17
[01:45] <smaudet> dr_willis: in that case its a good thing and I'll alias to gsu for my personal purposes
[01:45] <Semper> it was like openbox
[01:46] <dr_willis> kellmoo69:  thats how it should be by deffault as far as i know.
[01:47] <Semper> dr_willis, I am pretty sure you cannot easily not do it
[01:47] <smaudet> dr_willis: although I'm not sure what the practical difference is, if I run gksu gedit, and then gksudo gedit, I just get another tab in the 'root' gedit
[01:47] <Semper> you'd need no router/broken router or a VPN
[01:48] <smaudet> I suppose I don't understand elevated gui programs well?
[01:49] <dr_willis> gksu does a similer task. but with some little differances.. i cant recall ever needing to uise gksu
[01:49] <dr_willis> i alays use gksudo
[01:49] <usr13> kellmoo69: I think you can put:  hosts allow = 192.168.1.4 192.168.1.5  in global section to allow only .4 and .5 (the list can be longer), Or, hosts allow = 192.168.1.  (For the whole subnet).
[01:49] <smaudet> dr_willis: sure gksu is easier to type which is why I use(d) it
[01:49] <smaudet> going ahead and removing it anyways
[01:49] <dr_willis> smaudet:  may as well make a easier alias like GS
[01:50] <usr13> kellmoo69: There is also "hosts deny"
[01:50] <smaudet> dr_willis: two letter acronyms...don't like them. Too many of them already
[01:50] <smaudet> I don't want to be thinking e.g. "Geneva Summit Gedit" :P
[01:50] <smaudet> just as a silly example
[01:51] <kellmoo69> @usr13 good suggestion,  thanks
[01:51] <usr13> NP
[01:52] <smaudet> dr_willis: I wonder - is there any way to gksudo unity-desktop?
[01:53] <smaudet> I think a lot of people have wished for a way to 'su' into their graphical environments for just a bit
[01:53] <ntzrmtthihu777> smaudet: login as root?
[01:53] <dr_willis> smaudet:  that wound be a rather silly thing to do. you dont want to start up X as root either.
[01:53] <SchrodingersScat> ntzrmtthihu777: the only issue i've had is that it adds a newline at the end of the file sometimes/always?  unless you know a way to stop that.
[01:53] <smaudet> ntzrmtthihu777: no, just run anything you start graphically as an elevated process for a bit
[01:53] <smaudet> no root 'login'
[01:53] <ntzrmtthihu777> SchrodingersScat: How's your cat? In any case, not a clue, lol.
[01:54] <smaudet> dr_willis: I realize that, it would just be root 'mode', not starting X as root
[01:54] <dr_willis> smaudet:   the biggest danger i see to a ubuntu box in here on a daily basis. is the useres doing silly things that brean the system
[01:54] <dr_willis> break...
[01:54] <smaudet> dr_willis: yeah but sudo times out
[01:54] <dr_willis> if you want a 'root app launcher' then  use some dock ran as root i guess
[01:54] <smaudet> this would be the same
[01:54] <Rookie407> how can i find the nvidia-alternatives-legacy-173xx package to sudo remove and purge it just that package?
[01:54] <dr_willis> you can set sudo to not time out if you really wanted
[01:54] <smaudet> dr_willis: but it would be silly as well
[01:54] <ntzrmtthihu777> dr_willis: I find this is the case regardless of distro/os, lol
[01:55] <ntzrmtthihu777> smaudet: sudo -i ?
[01:55] <smaudet> if a user wants to be silly there's not much stopping them from logging in with X as root
[01:55] <smaudet> If its just a matter of convenience, probably not bad to provide a fake graphical su
[01:55] <smaudet> and have it timeout
[01:55] <ntzrmtthihu777> smaudet: well I've used kali and backtrack, and both are default root logins :P
[01:56] <dr_willis> untill they come in here ranting that  'ubuntu sucks - it let me break it'
[01:56] <dr_willis> puppylinux also runs everything as root
[01:56] <smaudet> dr_willis: they can do that anyways with just gksudo
[01:56] <smaudet> its just less convenient for them
[01:56] <smaudet> Or even just sudo
[01:57] <ntzrmtthihu777> dr_willis: is that so? I played around with lupu for a while, but never knew that.
[01:57] <smaudet> I'm not going to paste the command but any admin can mess their system royally with a single command
[01:57] <user9302011> You could remaster an ubuntu CD/DVD using remastersys and change login and X to root. Then you have root on a read only CD/DVD and not messup the system.
[01:57] <smaudet> By accident no less
[01:57] <ntzrmtthihu777> smaudet: I'm aware of a few :P
[01:57] <dr_willis> i can think of a dozen. ;P
[01:57] <rcythr> hehe remove mail real fast
[01:58] <Semper> smaudet, does it begin with rm
[01:58] <Semper> and end with
[01:58] <Semper> -rf
[01:58] <Semper>  /
[01:58] <smaudet> Semper: as dr_willis said there are lots of ways
[01:58] <dr_willis> err rm has been patched for some time now where you cant accidently remove /
[01:58] <ntzrmtthihu777> Semper: no, it ends with --no-preserve-root :P
[01:58] <Semper> but ofc
[01:59] <rcythr> does it check for just / or variants like /*
[01:59] <smaudet> You either A) don't give users root access and they yell at you for not being able to do squat, or B) You give them root access and accept that danger
[01:59] <dr_willis> try it out in vbox and see
[01:59] <smaudet> Might as well make them comfortable doing it
[01:59] <ntzrmtthihu777> ls really needs an octal notation flag, lol. I'v got a perl wrapper that does it, though.
[01:59] <dr_willis> the users yell no matter what.. so i do what makes my life easier. not theirs
[01:59] <smaudet> If you really want we could go all UAC and give them a yes/no dialog box
[01:59] <Semper> smaudet, or I do the following
[01:59] <Semper> give them superuser on our site
[02:00] <delinquentme> so how can I run a command and get a explicit identifier saying that a given usb is in device or host mode?
[02:00] <Semper> and run backups every 20 minutes
[02:00] <smaudet> Semper, dr_willis is talking about single user installs who aren't part of an organization
[02:00] <ntzrmtthihu777> smaudet: right? It kinda irks me that root's .bashrc has tab-completion *disabled*. If someone is issuing root commands, I damn well want them to do them properly :P
[02:00] <Semper> I know
[02:00] <smaudet> And have no clue how to do that
[02:00] <Semper> I give them a live disk
[02:00] <Semper> :P
[02:00] <smaudet> Or have anyone to give them a live disk ;)
[02:01] <Semper> I give them Lili
[02:01] <Semper> :p
[02:01] <dr_willis> i tend to tell them to not use lili  ;)
[02:01] <ntzrmtthihu777> pebkac, problem exists between keyboard and chair :P
[02:01] <dr_willis> and refer them to the pendrivelinux web site
[02:01] <Semper> well, depends if you want them to learn or not
[02:01] <Semper> I can compile an OS and I still just use Lili
[02:01] <Semper> :P
[02:01] <user9302011> Yes a live Ubuntu CD/DVD with root access and make a persistant save file (ie capser) to save changes then it's similar to puppylinux except you have a real ubuntu.
[02:01] <ntzrmtthihu777> dr_willis: pen drive linux
[02:02] <ntzrmtthihu777> 's guide didn't work 100% for me; for some reason the usb stick was looking for /dev/sda1 of my main box, even when I changed /boot/grub/load.cfg's uuid
[02:03] <ntzrmtthihu777> dr_willis: so, I ended up installing the basic arch linux system on said usb, and use its grub and custom script files to setup iso boots :P
[02:03] <smaudet> dr_willis: and anyways with regards to 'making life easier' for you, I'm not referring to installing this 'convient gksudo' by default
[02:03] <anton02> centOS is to fedora as debian is to ubuntu. Would u rather centOS or ubuntu
[02:03] <smaudet> Put it in a third party repo and blame them when they install and mess up their system.
[02:03] <Semper> anton02, I thought that was CentOS to RHEL
[02:03] <smaudet> Like you usually do ;)
[02:04] <smaudet> (not you personally)
[02:04] <kellmoo69> question - Samba: Will store my media files to stream in my home, is it possible to setup the Share without a prompt for user name or password?
[02:05] <magbo> Greetings, gentlemen! What optimizations would you propose for running Ubuntu off a USB stick? I have ~1GiB of RAM to spare.
[02:05] <anton02> Semper: RHEL just as tech support i think
[02:05] <anton02> has*
[02:05] <dr_willis> kellmoo69:  you can mount samba shares via  /etc/fstab if you wanted to
[02:05] <ChogyDan> magbo: you may want to look into pendrive linux.  I'm sure they would know / already have it setup
[02:05] <Semper> I thought CentOS was just RHEL but FOSS?
[02:05] <dr_willis> magbo:  i run ubuntu (full install ) off usb flash all the time.. setting up xubuntu on a  netbook right now
[02:06] <Semper> from source
[02:06] <dr_willis> magbo:  theres some  'put the users browser cache' in ram tweak  i saw on omgubuntu or webupd8 that mmay be handy if you got the ram
[02:07] <smaudet> dr_willis: don't mean to be disrespectfull btw, thank you for your ealier info, gksu is uninstalled :)
[02:07] <Semper> tmpfs dr_willis
[02:07] <Semper> symlink the cache
[02:07] <dr_willis> i dont have the ram to spare on a netbook. ;)
[02:07] <magbo> ChogyDan: no I don't. I need Ubuntu LTS 12.04 because those are build reqs for the dev env of a project I write. Thanks anyway.
[02:07] <Semper> Lack of ambition.
[02:07] <Semper> :P
[02:07] <Semper> I put a whole minecraft server in ram
[02:07] <Semper> but i do have 16gb ....
[02:07] <dr_willis> i dont even browse on the netbook, its a ssh  client.
[02:07] <kellmoo69> @dr_willis Thanks for the Tip
[02:08] <Semper> dr_willis, your netbook sounds like my phone ;)
[02:08] <magbo> dr_willis: I'm looking for some magic hybrid ramfs.
[02:08] <dr_willis> my phone has moar ram then my netbook.. it also cosst 3x as much
[02:09] <Semper> :P
[02:09] <LinuxGold> back in old days, phone have no memory at all
[02:09] <smaudet> although now I see gksudo doesn't exist outside of gksu, so perhaps they already are the same?
[02:09] <LinuxGold> just switches
[02:09] <Semper> stop buying toasters then
[02:09] <dr_willis> i think my phone has 2x the video resolution of my ntbook also. ;)
[02:10] <Semper> I think I still have a gen 1 celeron laptop somewhere
[02:10] <Semper> we should race them
[02:10] <smaudet> What, is your netbook 640x320?
[02:10] <Semper> it's also taped together and missing the bottom ram panel
[02:10] <ntzrmtthihu777> kellmoo69: yep, I have it setup on mine :P
[02:11] <dr_willis> smaudet:  they got phones now with 1080P res ;)
[02:11] <magbo> smaudet: gksu provides gksudo in Ubuntu.
[02:11] <magbo> wait
[02:11] <smaudet> dr_willis: sure, but that's not that high
[02:12] <magbo> gksu provides gksudo in Archlinux and I'm almost sure that the same is true for Ubuntu.
[02:12] <magbo> s/almost/almost completely
[02:12] <smaudet> dr_willis: its only 1920x1080, or 2.1 mp
[02:12] <smaudet> Most 10 year old cameras shoot higher def than that
[02:12] <kellmoo69> @ntzrmtthihu777 are you running Server or Desktop version Samba?
[02:13] <magbo> smaudet: not to mention 20 year old cameras :)
[02:13] <LinuxGold> anyone running drobo5N NAS?
[02:13] <magbo> LinuxGold: DATAA
[02:13] <wilee-nilee> smaudet, You have to install gksu to get gksudo which is what you should use.
[02:13] <LinuxGold> any good?
[02:13] <smaudet> dr_willis: your phone probably does have much, much higher dpi though
[02:13] <dr_willis> 1024x600 - i cant play wesonth on this one.  it wantss at least a XXXx800 sized display. ;)
[02:14] <magbo> LinuxGold: DATAA means "Don't Ask To Ask - Ask!"
[02:14] <smaudet> So it looks 'higher res' 'cause the pixels are pushed closer
[02:14] <dr_willis> my other netbook is like 800x600 or was it higher. i dont recall. its the grandkids
[02:14] <smaudet> Do you have a 1080p phone then?
[02:14] <smaudet> !ot | smaudet
[02:14] <LinuxGold> magbo on ignore
[02:14] <ntzrmtthihu777> kellmoo69: accessing samba shares on a server from desktop.
[02:15] <sammy> so a launchpad bugreport suggests fixing an issue by purging and reinstalling update-manager, which I can't do without uninstalling a bunch of packages I'd rather not. or at least if I use apt or aptitude to do it. how can I force the re-install (or purging of) a package that other packages depend on without removing those dependent debs?
[02:15] <ntzrmtthihu777> !tab save yourself some time, just type ntz then hit tab | kellmoo69
[02:15] <smaudet> !data | LinuxGold
[02:15] <smaudet> darn
[02:15] <smaudet> !dataa | LinuxGold
[02:15] <ntzrmtthihu777> the hell?
[02:15] <LinuxGold> lol
[02:15] <ntzrmtthihu777> !anybody
[02:15] <LinuxGold> I'm asking if it is any good
[02:15] <jrib> sammy: "an issue"?
[02:15] <ntzrmtthihu777> !tab
[02:16] <LinuxGold> ubottu was ignored already btw.
[02:16] <trism> sammy: you can reinstall with: sudo apt-get install --reinstall package; though that won't purge the config, so won't help if it is a config issue
[02:16] <trism> sammy: what bug number?
[02:16] <ntzrmtthihu777> trism: apt-get --reinstall purge?
[02:16] <ChogyDan> ntzrmtthihu777: I think it was the comma
[02:16] <magbo> This dude is hilarious, guys, dataa him more, he'll get a silent #ubuntu :D
[02:16] <LinuxGold> lol
[02:17] <sammy> trism: lemme try that. I cant beleive I didnt even grep the apt-get man for reinstall :(
[02:17] <LinuxGold> I'm trying to find a good NAS device -- saw drobo 5N NAS and wanted to know if anyone used it and if it is good or not?
[02:17] <jrib> LinuxGold: do you have an ubuntu support question?  This channel is for ubuntu support.
[02:17] <LinuxGold> I'm using it for Ubuntu
[02:17] <LinuxGold> :)
[02:17] <smaudet> I wish we could pipe replies from ubottu
[02:18] <LinuxGold> Do it have problem with Ubuntu?
[02:18] <gassho> how do i get ea origin to run on ubuntu 13.04
[02:18] <smaudet> LinuxGold: ubottu is a bot; he's a good bot; we use him to not half to type stuff to you
[02:18] <dr_willis> if the nas supports the services that ubuntu supports. there should be no problem
[02:18] <smaudet> LinuxGold: if you mute him you're not gonna get much help out of anyone here likely
[02:18]  * gassho hugs that bot :>
[02:18] <LinuxGold> I ignore bot replies
[02:18] <magbo> Does anyone know category theory?
[02:18] <jrib> magbo: try ##math
[02:19] <ntzrmtthihu777> !poll | LinuxGold
[02:19] <magbo> jrib: but I'm reading a book in it using evince on Ubuntu box.
[02:19] <LinuxGold> let me rephase -- anyne running Drobo 5N NAS on their Ubuntu servers and having any problem?
[02:19] <smaudet> s/half/have/
[02:19] <ntzrmtthihu777> LinuxGold: then in that case you're liable to get banned/kicked.
[02:19] <jrib> magbo: heh
[02:19] <LinuxGold> ok, I'll ask elsewhere related with Ubuntu...
[02:19] <dr_willis> there is the  #hardware channle that may know about stand alone nas boxs
[02:20] <kellmoo69> Arrg - frustrated newbie here - trying to set the Permission and having no luck. Get error using the following, sudo chmod 0777 /media/samba
[02:20] <kellmoo69> chmod: cannot access `/media/samba': No such file or directory
[02:20] <jfhjd> hey how do i find out if this processor is 64 bit compat?
[02:20] <jrib> kellmoo69: why are you doing that?
[02:20] <kellmoo69> almost ready to switch back to Windoze....stop me!
[02:20] <Semper> kellmoo69, can you cd to that location?
[02:20] <ntzrmtthihu777> kellmoo69: it needs to exits, lol.
[02:20] <dr_willis> kellmoo69:  you dont really chown.chmod samba share mounts.
[02:20] <jfhjd> kellmoo69: go right ahead
[02:20] <jfhjd> windows is is nsa friendly
[02:20] <dr_willis> kellmoo69:  you set the permissions on the samba server, and set them when you  mount the share via the right mount options
[02:20] <jfhjd> so is my cpu 64bit compatible
[02:20] <Semper> jfhjd, google the processor
[02:20] <jfhjd> i dont know what processor this is
[02:20] <john38> Anybody know where i can find the first ubuntu release of Precise Pangolin not 12.04.1 or 12.04.2??
[02:21] <Semper> take out the processor
[02:21] <jrib> jfhjd: what OS are you using?
[02:21] <Semper> read it
[02:21] <Semper> google it
[02:21] <ntzrmtthihu777> kellmoo69: you need to configure your samba config on the server properly, want the info/
[02:21] <jfhjd> debian i think
[02:21] <Semper> failing that
[02:21] <jrib> john38: why would you want that?
[02:21] <Semper>  cat /proc/cpuinfo
[02:21] <FloodBot1> Semper: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:21] <jfhjd> se
[02:21] <jfhjd> Semper: fiuybd it
[02:21] <jfhjd> found it
[02:21] <john38> jrib, because i seem to be having issues with the later releases
[02:21] <jrib> john38: what issues?
[02:21] <magbo> jrib: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[02:21] <Semper> I'm guessing cat /proc/cpuinfo did it?
[02:21] <smaudet> Gonna repeat my question from before; anyone know much about dbus events? rpcbind is emitting a faulty one? If not I'm just gonna ask in #dbus likely
[02:22] <jrib> smaudet: what's your actual question?
[02:22] <jfhjd> ouch 32 for me only
[02:22] <sammy> trism: bug #1053292 has two comments that suggest purging and reinstalling update-manager works, but I'd rather not (if I can avoid it) remove ubuntu-desktop and other high level packages to fix something. I should be able to purge it and leave other packages broken until I re-install the package, no?
[02:22] <jrib> jfhjd: how old is this thing?
[02:22] <john38> jrib, aww..um random shutdown to terminal with alot of output
[02:22] <smaudet> jrib: initctl's output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6073017/
[02:22] <jfhjd> jrib: 5 years?
[02:22] <smaudet> I'm getting some errors on startup
[02:22] <jfhjd> maybe 5
[02:23] <john38> jrib, i dont have computer with me at the moment
[02:23] <dr_willis> sammy:  ubuntu-desktop is just a meta package - so shouldent affect anything if it gets removed
[02:23] <jfhjd> nc10 samsung
[02:23] <Johnny_Linux> should be atleast a 2gig cpu
[02:23] <smaudet> jrib: I already tracked the problem down, to the dbus event being emitted in the upstart job
[02:23] <jrib> jfhjd: what was the output of « cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep flags »?
[02:23] <jrib> smaudet: you're on 13.04?
[02:23] <jfhjd> flags		: fpu vme de tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts aperfmperf pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl est tm2 ssse3 xtpr pdcm movbe lahf_lm
[02:24] <kellmoo69> @ntzrmtthihu777 - That would be much appreciated if you can send me the info
[02:24] <sammy> dr_willis: true, and I think most of them that depend on update-manager are ubuntu meta packages, all but update-notifier. I was just wondering if there was a cmdline with dpkg or apt to purge something and leave dependent packages broken
[02:25] <magbo> jrib: address size (given it's x86) should yield informative result as well, but I'm not sure what will be output of it on 32bit installation.
[02:25] <jrib> smaudet: hmm, you sure that's not just upstart related?  Why do you believe dbus is involved?
[02:25] <wilee-nilee> !tab | kellmoo69 @ dies not notify the user
[02:25] <wilee-nilee> does*
[02:25] <smaudet> jrib: 12.04.3 LTS, and what might help me would be to see the output of this command: 'less /etc/init/rpcbind-boot.conf | pastebinit'
[02:25] <jfhjd> are 64 bitters faster at all
[02:25] <jfhjd> on 64 bit strings i guess they must be
[02:25] <smaudet> jrib: because if you'll run that command and look at the output it invokes initctl
[02:25] <smaudet> which is a dbus thing
[02:25] <dr_willis> i find video reencoding a bit faster on 64bit then 32
[02:26] <smaudet> the error has to do with the event being emitted, start-rpcbind
[02:26] <magbo> jfhjd: why do you think so?
[02:26] <smaudet> jrib: here's my file: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6073027/
[02:26] <magbo> jfhjd: I'm not even sure what do you mean with 64bit strings, but go on.
[02:28] <smaudet> jrib: if you or someone else in the channel could invoke 'sudo status rpcbind-boot' that might help me to know whether initctl or dbus is broken
[02:28] <usr13> kellmoo69: Where are you at with it?  (I've been away.)
[02:28] <smaudet> Mine is 'stop waiting'
[02:28] <jrib> smaudet: I think you're looking at the wrong file
[02:28] <LinuxGold> jfhjd: 64 bits is just more memory than 32 bits
[02:28] <smaudet> jrib: why do you say that?
[02:29] <smaudet> jrib: if you know the file where the dbus events are stored, please share :)
[02:29] <jrib> smaudet: start on: unknown event start-rpcbind <-- this indicates to me that a job specifies "start on start-rpcbind"
[02:29] <jrib> smaudet: on 13.04, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6073030/
[02:30] <magbo> jfhjd: yeah, LinuxGold is correct, define "faster".
[02:30] <smaudet> jrib: looks identical
[02:30] <smaudet> jrib: how about the 'sudo status rpcbind-boot' ?
[02:30] <smaudet> And I think this file is fine, the dbus is at fault
[02:31] <jrib> smaudet: rpcbind-boot stop/waiting
[02:31] <kellmoo69> @usr13 - I'm very lost, probably because I'm tired.  But I managed to get my share showing-up from the Windoze PC, but it's asking for a username and password.  So I go ahead and userer my administrator credentials and it takes me to the share folder, but then Windows tells me that I don't have any Permission.
[02:31] <sammy> for anyone following along at home, I think this was an issue with this machine originally being a hardy heron kubuntu install and is now a gnome machine updated. all sorts of new packages wanted to install after purging update-manager and installing ubuntu-desktop again (which was installed and removed in the purge)
[02:31] <smaudet> jrib: ok, so again identical to mine
[02:31] <smaudet> jrib: do you recall seeing an rpcbind error on startup?
[02:31] <jrib> smaudet: what's in your /etc/init/portmap.conf?
[02:32] <LinuxGold> 32 bit can holdup to 4Gb where 64 bit can go as high as to 16 Eb
[02:32] <smaudet> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6073049/
[02:32] <jrib> smaudet: I think the real issue to investigate is "unknown event start-rpcbind" since the portmap job is waiting for that event
[02:32] <smaudet> jrib: you came to the same conclusion as me
[02:33] <jrib> smaudet: and yeah I get some rpcbind errors on boot
[02:33] <smaudet> and since that error is from initctl
[02:33] <smaudet> its a dbus problem
[02:33] <smaudet> hence my original conclusion
[02:33] <jrib> smaudet: I don't agree; but it could be.  I think it's an upstart issue
[02:33] <wilee-nilee> kellmoo69, @ does not notify the user, use tab to complete nicks.
[02:33] <usr13> kellmoo69: Oh come on, it's not that hard.
[02:33] <smaudet> jrib: like an upstart dbus api?
[02:33] <varunendra> magbo, LinuxGold, jfhjd  64 bit will either be faster or equal to 32 bit in performance, unless there is shortage of memory for what you do (like opening too many ff tabs at once).
[02:34] <jrib> smaudet: what errors are you seeing on boot?
[02:34] <smaudet> jrib: I wasn't able to fully document them, I'd have to take the machine down and bring it back up
[02:34] <smaudet> wouldn't take me too long
[02:34] <kellmoo69> usr13: I'm very lost, probably because I'm tired. But I managed to get my share showing-up from the Windoze PC, but it's asking for a username and password. So I go ahead and userer my administrator credentials and it takes me to the share folder, but then Windows tells me that I don't have any Permission.
[02:34] <smaudet> jrib: brb?
[02:34] <jrib> smaudet: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6073063/ from /var/log/boot.log
[02:35] <smaudet> jrib: yeah that looks like what I recall seeing
[02:35] <smaudet> jrib: empty directory, so the errors are valid
[02:35]  * smaudet googles
[02:35] <SupaYoshi> does anybody know if its possible to turn off a printer thats connected to usb?
[02:36] <SupaYoshi> with a command ?
[02:36] <SupaYoshi> so i dunt have to press the power button, i believe ubuntu was able to shutdown my printer before..
[02:36] <smaudet> hmm, one solution is to uninstall, but I already looked at the deps graph and it looked like its being used for nfs
[02:37] <smaudet> so I didn't want to get rid of it
[02:37] <varunendra> SupaYoshi, "shut down" or sleep? Sleep is a printer's inbuilt feature (if there is no activity for a long time).
[02:37] <SupaYoshi> varunendra, where the power hutton goes off.
[02:37] <jrib> smaudet: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6073017/ how did you get this?
[02:38] <smaudet> jrib: initctl check-config
[02:38] <smaudet> only error that comes up
[02:38] <usr13> kellmoo69: pastebinit
[02:38] <usr13> kellmoo69: pastebinit /etc/samba/smb.conf
[02:38] <varunendra> SupaYoshi, did you have to press the power button on the printer to be able to send a print again? I've never seen that behaviour.
[02:39] <SupaYoshi> varunendra, yes i had to turn it on again ;)
[02:39] <jrib> smaudet: I'm not convinced that's "bad" (but I'm reading http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/)
[02:39] <SupaYoshi> it would save me some power if i could shutdown the printer after being used.
[02:39] <xybre> When an upstart service fails to start, where do the logs go?
[02:39] <SupaYoshi> I dunt like wasting energy and im too stupid to turn it off manually since im so busy\
[02:40] <dr_willis> my printer (and all of them ive ever had for the last 5+ years) auto power down/sleep after a few hrs of non use.
[02:40] <smaudet> jrib: well it hasn't (afaik) caused me to have something not working, but I'd like to at least know what's going wrong
[02:40] <dr_willis> even with it on. i doubt if its taking much power
[02:40] <smaudet> small bugs can become big ones later
[02:40] <xybre> There's a /var/logs/upstart directory, but I don't see an error.log or anything
[02:40] <jrib> smaudet: have you checked bugs.ubuntu.com?
[02:41] <varunendra> dr_willis, was it a default behaviour (power down) or you had to set it in the printer?
[02:41] <jrib> xybre: upstart wiki has some debugging tips.  Poke me if you can't find it
[02:41] <smaudet> jrib: not yet; assuming its on there, unless there's a fix I need to know where/how dbus publishes events to track down the cause
[02:41] <smaudet> At least I've convinced myself of that, vaguely
[02:42] <xybre> Thanks jrib
[02:42] <dr_willis> varunendra:  always been the default for the last 4+ printers ive had.. and  for most ive seen in the last 6+ years
[02:42] <smaudet> jrib: a search pulls up current bugs on nfs
[02:43] <dr_willis> could be it was more of a power-saveing-sleep mode i guess.. not really powering down
[02:43] <kellmoo69> usr13: Thank you. Checking pastebinit now. whatever that is.
[02:44] <smaudet> jrib: rpcinfo does pull up some info so I suppose one way of investigating would be to write a small python dbus example to query the rpc interface?
[02:44] <smaudet> To see if the status message is baloney or not.
[02:44] <varunendra> dr_willis, maybe I'm too ignorant then. But I remember turning it on in the morning and being able to print in the night without needing to turn it on (HP MFPs.., P1050, Canon Inkjet,..)
[02:44] <thanigai> hello i have 3g dongle connection issue , when i connect  notification shows "Activation of network connection failed" please any help .
[02:44] <dr_willis> varunendra:  turn it on when  you first take it out of the box. :) then forget about it...
[02:45] <smaudet> jrib: know any good dbus apis I should be able to connect two?
[02:45] <smaudet> On a related note does anyone have any solid recommendations for a dbus ui?
[02:45] <dr_willis> varunendra:  mine actually has a power off switch. at the back that i cant recall the last time i used.
[02:45] <smaudet> For querying/playing with the dbus apis on my machine?
[02:45] <jrib> smaudet: weird.  I changed "start-rpcbind" in /etc/init/portmap.conf to some nonsense, ran initctl reload-configuration (even though I shouldn't need to), and check-config still mentions exactly "start-rpcbind" instead of my nonsense
[02:45] <kellmoo69> usr13: Okay that looks very cool. So it looks like that program allows me to send you my config file.
[02:46] <smaudet> jrib: it couldbe the problem is in portmap and not in rpcbind then
[02:46] <smaudet> it does say 'portmap' at the top
[02:46] <jrib> smaudet: there's a "standard" library for python dbus; but I still think you are barking up the wrong tree
[02:46] <varunendra> dr_willis, yep, that's what I call 'Sleep' then :D
[02:47] <xybre> Ah turns out its an init.d script, so it could go anywhere
[02:48] <jrib> smaudet: the real question is what does upstart consider "known events"
[02:48] <kellmoo69> usr13: Do you need the URL created for PasteBinit created?
[02:49] <jrib> smaudet: and even then, I'm not convinced this will solve the missing file error we actually see on boot; what bug did you find?
[02:49] <Hodapp> I'm on Ubuntu 13.04 on ARM; does anyone have any idea why no amount of editing /etc/hostname and rebooting seems to have any effect on my hostname?
[02:49] <dr_willis> !hostname
[02:50] <varunendra> thanigai, did you choose the correct network and APN in the Mobile Broadband configuration wizard?
[02:50] <bazhang> Hodapp, what about #ubuntu-arm   , tried there?
[02:50] <Hodapp> dr_willis: I've done both, and I've never seen /etc/hosts have any behavior on what 'hostname' reports.
[02:51] <[[thufir]]1> I'm on 12.04 LTS and think I have a hardware problem(?).  In Unity, clicking on icons doesn't always work.  no, the mouse is fine.  It's the icons.  Like, I can start pidgin, but can't click on the freenode rooms and had to use finch.
[02:51] <smaudet> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=rpcbind&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=
[02:51] <smaudet> eeps
[02:51] <smaudet> sorry
[02:52] <kellmoo69> usr13: Are you still there?
[02:52] <[[thufir]]1> how do I know whether the video card could perhaps be causing this?  I can't really google anything.
[02:52] <Hodapp> dr_willis: I'm setting hostname the same way I've set hostnames on Linux boxes since about 2001. If you're aware of some other mechanism Ubuntu is following for determining hostname, I'd be interested in hearing it.
[02:52] <Hodapp> But otherwise, these are the same instructions I've always followed for setting hostname.
[02:52] <smaudet> jrib: http://goo.gl/ttE96u
[02:53] <dr_willis> Hodapp:  not really seen anyone else have that issue. you may want to check askubuntu.com  i cant recall the last time i changed the hostname
[02:53] <jrib> smaudet: I think the check-config fails because rpcbind-boot fails to use http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#emits
[02:53] <jrib> smaudet: (testing)
[02:53] <TNTS> Hey guys, how do I add a BIOS to PCSX
[02:54] <Hodapp> I suppose I could strace the hostname command and see WTF it is doing to figure out the hostname.
[02:54] <smaudet> jrib: I don't think so, the syntax for initctl is: initctl [op] [cmd] [op] arg
[02:54] <jrib> smaudet: yep, then upstart knows about the event.  But I doubt this is the real cause of the issue
[02:55] <varunendra> TNTS just copy the BIOS file in PCSX's BIOS directory, then choose it in its BIOS configuration.
[02:55] <smaudet> jrib: and --no-wait according to the man page is a valid option to the emit command
[02:55] <jrib> smaudet: add a line "emits start-rpcbind" after the "start on ..." line in your rpcbind-boot.conf
[02:55] <smaudet> jrib: ah ok misread
[02:55] <jrib> smaudet: you're not touching the emit line, you're adding "emits".  Yeah I missed it too at first
[02:55] <TNTS> varunendra, where is its directory? I installed via the Software Center and I have no idea where it is
[02:56] <jrib> smaudet: this is probably a solution to *a* bug but I doubt it causes the errors we see on boot.  It will make check-config pass though
[02:57] <smaudet> it does
[02:57] <smaudet> pass that is
[02:57] <smaudet> woot
[02:57] <smaudet> We fixed 'a bug' lol
[02:57] <varunendra> TNTS, ".pcsx/bios" directory in your Home. It is a hidden directory, so you'll need to press Ctrl+H to be able to see it.
[02:57] <smaudet> still doesn't start
[02:57] <jrib> smaudet: how are you testing?
[02:57] <TNTS> Oh okay I got it thanks varunendra
[02:57] <[[thufir]]1> how do I know why unity isn't letting me click on icons as normal?  could it be a video card? I have the usual unity interface for 12.04 LTS, but can't use firefox properly.
[02:57] <smaudet> initctl check-config
[02:58] <smaudet> and sudo start rpcbind-boot
[02:58] <smaudet> it doesn't error, but it stays in the stopped state
[02:58] <jrib> smaudet: are you on a fresh install or upgrade?
[02:58] <smaudet> jrib: I believe this is an upgrade from 10.04 days
[02:58] <smaudet> jrib: regularly updated, but its not 'fresh' by any means
[02:58] <jrib> smaudet: well this rpcbind-boot job doesn't really do anything other than emit that event (for portmap)
[02:59] <smaudet> jrib: the important thing would be to test if the rpcbind interface works
[02:59] <smaudet> the .xpr could be a bogus error
[02:59] <smaudet> as I said rpcinfo seems to show...stuff...
[02:59] <jrib> smaudet: portmap.conf seems to actually "do things" with rpcbind
[02:59] <smaudet> I don't know what it is
[03:00] <smaudet> jrib: yeah and portmap is already running
[03:00] <jrib> smaudet: indeed « ps -ef | grep rpcbind » is running
[03:00] <thanigai> varunendra: yes configured
[03:00] <smaudet> jrib: this actually might be the fix to this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rpcbind/+bug/924593
[03:01] <smaudet> jrib: I.e. I can stop/start my portmap at will
[03:01] <jrib> smaudet: rpcinfo -p localhost  output for you?
[03:01] <[[thufir]]1> how can I test my hardware, video in particular?  can't really google at the moment.
[03:02] <varunendra> thanigai, if the network type, plan and APN are correct, and the modem itself doesn't disappear after the error, it may be an issue at the ISP's end.
[03:02] <SupaYoshi> so no way to shutdown a USB printer from ubuntu? :D
[03:02] <jrib> smaudet: i get a bunch of output about portmapper and status (this differs from the bug report)
[03:02] <SupaYoshi> My printer is a Saasung CLP325.. laser printer
[03:02] <smaudet> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6073150/
[03:02] <SupaYoshi> it'd be nice if it went off during the night.
[03:03] <[[thufir]]1> why would it be that I cannot highlight text in the console?  I can click on *some* things.
[03:03] <smaudet> portmapper, status, '-', and nfs
[03:03] <smaudet> and whatever nlockmgr is
[03:04] <smaudet> Yeah I can start/stop portmap regardless of that line in the config
[03:04] <jrib> smaudet: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rpcbind/+question/185320
[03:04] <thanigai> varunendra: actually it works windows os
[03:04] <varunendra> SupaYoshi, with the models I've used so far, there was no 'Need' to turn it off :). And I have used Samsung's SCX4300 and 3200
[03:06] <smaudet> jrib: looks like there's an upstream patch for the .xdr
[03:06] <varunendra> thanigai, does the modem remain active? Are you able to attempt the connection again (after the error) from NetworkManager's drop down menu? Without re-plug or anything like that.
[03:06] <smaudet> Gonna patch, restart, and let you know how it goes
[03:06] <SupaYoshi> why is that no  need?
[03:06] <SupaYoshi> it consumes power. rihght?
[03:06] <jrib> smaudet: wait, what patch?
[03:06] <smaudet> jrib: comment #4
[03:06] <[[thufir]]1> 82915G/GV/910GL integrated graphics controller VGA controller integrated graphics controller.  how can I test this hardware?
[03:06] <smaudet> Fixed in debian
[03:07] <jrib> smaudet: see #6 though
[03:07] <smaudet> looks like they're just time stamps
[03:07] <SupaYoshi> costs me around 2 dollars a month.
[03:07] <SupaYoshi> = 24 dollars  a yr cus its on 24/7
[03:07] <ccchips> Does anyone know if Nvidia and low-latency kernel work together on 13.04 yet?
[03:07] <smaudet> jrib: hmm, well one comment over another comment
[03:07] <varunendra> SupaYoshi, yes, but in milli (perhaps micro) watts. It consumes huge amounts of power (equivalent to a month's sleep state) when starting up (laser printers) - to heat the heater.
[03:07] <smaudet> only one way to find out what's right, find the source!
[03:07] <jrib> smaudet: I would see what these files are used for
[03:08] <SupaYoshi> ok
[03:08] <jrib> smaudet: you're reading http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=645880 ?
[03:08] <SupaYoshi> that case im off to bed
[03:08] <SupaYoshi> :P
[03:08] <SupaYoshi> tc
[03:08] <varunendra> :)
[03:08] <FloodBot1> SupaYoshi: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:08] <varunendra> Good night SupaYoshi
[03:08] <smaudet> jrib: yup
[03:08] <ChogyDan> ccchips: what's the low latency for?
[03:09] <thanigai> varunendra: yes after the error i can see the connection name
[03:09] <smaudet> and yes my rpcbind is running with -w, looking up now
[03:09] <jrib> smaudet: just keep in mind the patch there isn't really relevant on ubuntu
[03:09] <varunendra> thanigai, but does the NM try to connect again if you click the name?
[03:09] <loculinux> hola
[03:09] <jrib> smaudet: well, not directly applicable anyway
[03:09] <wilee-nilee> [[thufir]]1, No left click highlighting?
[03:09] <thanigai> varunendra: yes , but every time the same error
[03:10] <smaudet> jrib: it looks like it is 'correct' if /run isn't cleaned out, so the real bug is somewhere in rpcbind's source code
[03:10] <wilee-nilee> or double clicking [[thufir]]1
[03:10] <jgk> hey all
[03:10] <TNTS> Okay this is another one I read just now, Linux 3.11 is out. Should I upgrade Ubuntu 13.04?
[03:10] <smaudet> Since the intent is as a statefile
[03:10] <smaudet> #6's comment makes sense in light of it being useless other than getting it to shut up
[03:10] <wilee-nilee> TNTS, wont be supported here in raring is all.
[03:11] <jgk> hi all
[03:11] <Anonynimity> any idea on how I would change my ip address every x seconds?
[03:11] <DeWitt_7> hiya
[03:11] <varunendra> thanigai, what is your ISP, and what APN. Maybe I can offer more help if you are in India.
[03:12] <TNTS> wilee-nilee, what do you mean?
[03:12] <dr_willis> TNTS:  you mean the 3.11 kernel? thats  in 13.10 i notice
[03:12] <wilee-nilee> TNTS, An actual distro upgrade would bring you to the development also only supported in #ubuntu+1
[03:12] <smaudet> jrib: at any rate, thanks for your help, I can rest easier knowing that I don't have some terrible backdoor on my system for hackers to exploit (at least not with rpcbind)
[03:12] <jrib> smaudet: heh, sure
[03:13] <jrib> smaudet: I was kind of curious about that error anyway
[03:13] <smaudet> jrib: well I've got an apparmor error as well that needs fixing, that one, could be serious
[03:13] <thanigai> varunendra: ISP is airtel  and APN is airtelgprs.com i am also in india
[03:13] <smaudet> rpcbind just sounded like "remote procedure call" from Windows
[03:13] <[[thufir]]1> why would unity let me scroll some windows with the mouse wheel, click on some icons but not others, etc?  I cannot google...
[03:14] <smaudet> Will submit a patch for it anyways if I can find the appropriate product.
[03:14] <wilee-nilee> [[thufir]]1, Have you modified compiz?
[03:14] <Anonynimity> nvm, I found it. :)
[03:15] <varunendra> thanigai, I'm on the same network (airtelgprs.com). They usually provide good service, but from last month, I'm getting terrible speeds. Is the speed fine on windows?
[03:15] <[[thufir]]1> wilee-nilee: no, it just happened all of sudden.  I couldn't click on firefox tabs,etc.  then I had to reboot.  now it doesn't work consistently.
[03:15] <[[thufir]]1> wilee-nilee: what could it be with compiz?
[03:16] <varunendra> thanigai, is it a GPRS plan or 3G?
[03:16] <[[thufir]]1> I'm download xubuntu-desktop to try that in a sec.  if it's compiz, will that work as a work-around?
[03:16] <thanigai> varunendra: i am also having  network connection speed issue from last month
[03:16] <cappicard> good evening. i upgraded from 13.04 to 13.10. I still have to run "sudo killall pulseaudio" to get pulseaudio to pick up my audio device after start up.
[03:16] <smaudet> Yup the offending code is in warmstart.c
[03:16] <wilee-nilee> [[thufir]]1, Compiz is the desktop manager, you might look up resetting the unity desktop and or compiz for your release. Really for help you need to be specific IE what icons...etc
[03:16] <thanigai> varunendra: gprs sir
[03:17] <cappicard> it's on my toshiba satellite c655-s5082 notebook. it has an intel hda audio chip
[03:17] <[[thufir]]1> I can't look things up because I can't click in firefox.  for instance, I can click on the pidgin icon in the panel, but can't click on the "room" icons in pidgin.  so, I'm using finch.   stuff like that.
[03:18] <varunendra> thanigai, I heard the 3G license of Airtel expired (can't confirm though). Probably that's the reason for the speed troubles. But I have no connectivity issues.
[03:18] <varunendra> thanigai, which modem are you using?
[03:19] <thanigai> varunendra: visiontex 3g usb modem bought from bsnl
[03:19] <smaudet> jrib: the 'patch
[03:19] <smaudet> in comment #4 on the ubuntu bug is entirely incorrect however
[03:19] <[[thufir]]1> wilee-nilee: clicking on the firefox icon works, but I can't click on tabs.  I can type in the console, but not in the firefox search box.
[03:19] <smaudet> they store some struct information
[03:20] <cappicard> my notebook has the intel hda chipset. alsa says CX20585
[03:20] <wilee-nilee> [[thufir]]1, desktop or laptop?
[03:20] <crystalline> Anyone know how to get the temp of their amd FX cpu? xsensors says 21c which has to be wrong, it's 23c in my room
[03:20] <[[thufir]]1> wilee-nilee: desktop.  12.04LTS.  it's a "used" computer.
[03:21] <varunendra> thanigai, LOL, I also have the BSNL's modem, although the micromax model - unlocked. Please paste the output of "lsusb" in the pastebin, and give us its link. I'll see if there are any known issues with your model.
[03:21] <wilee-nilee> [[thufir]]1, It sounded like you have rebooted to see if things change, and that is not always working correctly is this correct?
[03:21] <varunendra> !pastebin | thanigai
[03:22] <[[thufir]]1> wilee-nilee: yes, when things started acting weird, I did ctrl-alt-del to logout.  however, I wasn't able to use the mouse to restart the pc!  so, I rebooted with REISUB.  same sort of problem.
[03:22] <wilee-nilee> [[thufir]]1, If it were me I would make another user to see if this all mirrors the same in that account.
[03:23] <[[thufir]]1> wilee-nilee: ahhh, good idea.  when I do that, how do I grant them sudo, by the way?
[03:23] <thanigai> varunendra: here it is http://paste.ubuntu.com/6073192/
[03:23] <[[thufir]]1> wilee-nilee: could this be a bad video card?
[03:23] <wilee-nilee> [[thufir]]1, I believe even in that user app to make users you have the option to grant them admin.
[03:24] <TNTS> Is there a date announced for the release of 13.10?
[03:24] <varunendra> thanigai, for reference, the number to be dialled is "*99#". You can confirm it in the NM settings. (number *99#, APN airtelgprs.com, network type depends on area, mine is set to "Any")
[03:24] <[[thufir]]1> wilee-nilee: and do you think it could be hardware?  or, is that unlikely.
[03:26] <wilee-nilee> TNTS, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseSchedule
[03:26] <thanigai> varunendra: both settings are same as you mentioned
[03:26] <TNTS> Thanks wilee-nilee
[03:26] <wilee-nilee> [[thufir]]1, Not sure, kinda a guess at this point I would try the new user or a live cd.
[03:27] <[[thufir]]1> ok, thanks.  back in a bit :)
[03:27] <smaudet> I'm going to go ask in #debian but it looks like the patch might be as simple as putting the .xdr files in another (permanent) directory?
[03:27] <smaudet> jrib: can you think of any reason why this might be a bad idea?
[03:27] <wilee-nilee> TNTS, generally the OS numbers are the release date reversed.
[03:27] <jrib> smaudet: I don't know what those files are used for; so I don't know
[03:28] <TNTS> That's awesome! I did not notice that. Gosh, Ubuntu is a simpler than Windows than I thought
[03:29] <varunendra> thanigai, and your modem model seems to be an old one (from 2009 or earlier), so should be well supported at hardware level. I suspect the ISP more now. What is your version of Ubuntu? 32 or 64 bit?
[03:29] <smaudet> jrib: well again I'll have to ask in debian but there doesn't seem to be anything special about /run so I presume its just a bad directory choice
[03:30] <thanigai> varunendra: it is Ubuntu variant  linux mint 32 bit
[03:30] <harris> the flash player privacy box wion't let me select allow
[03:30] <jrib> smaudet: i would try to understand why rpcbind throws errors when it can't find those files
[03:31] <reisio> harris: go to full screen and then exit out of it
[03:31] <harris> f11?
[03:31] <smaudet> jrib: yeah that's what I'm doing
[03:31] <varunendra> thanigai, I believe it is an ISP issue, not a driver, application or configuration one. You should try the forums (mint or ubuntu) to see if someone has had similar issue and they solved it.
[03:32] <harris> reisio, im trying to set up rosetta stone with microphone it wont let me click allow
[03:32] <harris> in the adobe flash settings
[03:33] <dr_willis> fullscreen the flash window, then try again
[03:33] <reisio> the flash object itself, fullscreen
[03:33] <harris> how do i do that
[03:33] <dr_willis> do it with any flash video
[03:33] <harris> it isnt video im trying to let a website use my microphone
[03:33] <harris> its asking for promission
[03:34] <dr_willis> common bug not being able to click on the flash setting  widets - unless its fullscreened.  there may be other work arounds
[03:34] <dr_willis> Play a video.. set it full screen.. set the settings
[03:34] <thanigai> varunendra:  i will do it. nice chat with you. thank you sir.
[03:34] <reisio> I think it's just that fullscreening makes it work
[03:34] <dr_willis> is how ive seen it done
[03:34] <reisio> but I haven't done it in ages
[03:34] <varunendra> thanigai, np :)
[03:34] <harris> dr_willis, any youtube?
[03:34] <dr_willis> same here reisio  ive not needed it since the pink youtube disaster
[03:34] <SchrodingersScat> not using flash sounds better
[03:34] <dr_willis> harris:  try it and see
[03:35] <reisio> heheh
[03:35] <reisio> the um
[03:35] <reisio> the blue nvidia thing for me?
[03:35] <reisio> you can do it all without using Flash
[03:35] <reisio> there's a config file
[03:35] <reisio> but I don't remember where it is
[03:35] <FloodBot1> reisio: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:35] <harris> i think i got it
[03:36] <reisio> FloodBot1: I like apples
[03:37] <harris> no i clicked allow then remember but it still wont work
[03:37] <reisio> just click around
[03:37] <reisio> hang on, I have some instructions for you
[03:37] <reisio> harris: http://xkcd.com/627/
[03:39] <harris> so just follow that chart?
[03:39] <gnuvince> Quick question about ~/.xsession; can you use xset inside it?  I have a line `xset b off` meant to disable X beeping, but it seems that line doesn't do anything, because when I open xterm and press backspace, my laptop beeps at me quite loudly.
[03:39] <harris> reisio, it says to ask for help
[03:39] <smaudet> reisio: XD
[03:39] <reisio> after 30 minutes :)
[03:40] <smaudet> harris: try Google Chrome
[03:40] <smaudet> it has the latest flash player installed
[03:40] <smaudet> might work better
[03:40] <reisio> gnuvince: you using ordinary Ubuntu with Unity?
[03:40] <harris> i did
[03:40] <gnuvince> reisio: Lubuntu
[03:40] <harris> i tried both
[03:40] <smaudet> harris: no dice eh
[03:40] <TNTS> What PSX emulator would you guys recommend? PCSX doesn't seem to work well..
[03:40] <smaudet> did you try the fullscreen trick then?
[03:40] <dr_willis> i thought f11 fullscreened flash
[03:40] <reisio> gnuvince: http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Autostart
[03:41] <smaudet> dr_willis the browser i think, not flash
[03:41] <reisio> TNTS: epsxe?
[03:41] <smaudet> dr_willis: full screen flash is a flash api call, I don't think there's a keyboard shortcut
[03:41] <reisio> TNTS: yes
[03:41] <smaudet> I've programmed in it before...
[03:41] <TNTS> reisio, through Wine or the Linux copy?
[03:41] <dr_willis> i always use some binary hex edit the flash stuff to tweak it guide. ;) to make fash stay fullscreened on my 2nd monitor ;P
[03:41] <smaudet> So I should know, unless they changed something
[03:41] <reisio> TNTS: the native version, why not...
[03:42] <smaudet> dr_willis: heh well then I suspect you have no problems ;)
[03:42] <TNTS> How would I execute it reisio?
[03:42] <reisio> dr_willis: just the 2nd monitor?
[03:42] <reisio> TNTS: uh, by running its executable, like any program?
[03:42] <TNTS> Well it doesn't open up.
[03:42] <dr_willis> reisio:  yea it makes it where it fullscreens on the 2nd monitor and does NOT unfullscreen when im doing work on the first monitor
[03:42] <reisio> TNTS: run it from a terminal
[03:42] <smaudet> harris: dr_willis is right though you might be able to find a hex-edit guide to hacking the flash into shape
[03:42] <reisio> dr_willis: with a single X session? Fancy
[03:43] <smaudet> harris: you just need to insert a couple lines of code and you should have fullscreen flash :P
[03:43] <dr_willis> i do belive ive seen some ff extensions that make flash auto fullscreen also. but  that may  be with some sites
[03:43] <reisio> I think I'd just use... an undecorated browser window
[03:43] <smaudet> (JK, don't try it unless you know what you're doing)
[03:43] <harris> hold on posting screen shot
[03:43] <reisio> or something like youtube-viewer
[03:43] <dr_willis> reisio:  its a single 1 character edit of one of the flash binary files. ;)
[03:43] <reisio> dr_willis: link? :)
[03:44] <reisio> probably won't ever use it, but I collect trivia :D
[03:44] <dr_willis> reisio:  i alwyas have to search for it on omgubuntu or webupd8
[03:44] <reisio> awe
[03:44] <harris> http://imgur.com/8tcl7D4
[03:44] <dr_willis> theres also a flash resizer exgtension that can force videos to be bigger if they wont fullsfreen. and a lights-out extension to blacken the rest of the browser/web site when watching a video
[03:44] <smaudet> http://www.webupd8.org/2012/10/ubuntu-multi-monitor-tweaks-full-screen.html
[03:45] <smaudet> plugins and flash hacks ;)
[03:45] <dr_willis> i tend to just use the flash-downloader tools ;)
[03:45] <smaudet> Disclaimer; not tested, not recommended ;)
[03:45] <dr_willis> but ive not seen any that work on hulu yet.
[03:45] <harris> dr_willis, if you look at the screenshot you will see it is not a video
[03:46] <smaudet> harris: doesn't matter
[03:46] <reisio> hrmmm
[03:46] <reisio> I wonder if juju will put these sites out of business :p
[03:46] <smaudet> if the flash runtime can be tricked into fullscreening
[03:46] <dr_willis> theres flash game-resizer/fullsfreen forcer extensions also
[03:46] <[[thufir]]> dr_willis: well, no better.  it's strange, when I get to grub I can use arrows to go up and down, but pressing "e" doesn't let me edit the entry. It's like the mouse, some stuff works, other doesn't.  I mean, it "acts" like the "e" key doesn't work, or that the mouse button doesn't work.  but I can click on users and stuff, or type "e" here, but can't use mouse/key correctly.
[03:46] <smaudet> then maybe your box will work
[03:46] <smaudet> of course the box is just a single hex feild somewhere as well
[03:46] <smaudet> so you could always hack the flash file to hell and back...
[03:46] <smaudet> again, not that I recommend it.
[03:47]  * smaudet next up, memory editing with gdb! (JK)
[03:47] <Guest14578> hi, i am running pear os 7 and the setting for startup applications graphical interface is not available on this system.  Is there a way I can manually set an application to run on startup or install another application to do this process for me?
[03:47] <[[thufir]]> from safemode, how do I mount the filesystem in root to use apt-get?
[03:47] <[[thufir]]> dr_willis: I also got messages about being in low graphics mode.
[03:48] <harris> guys i have a test to study for and NEED the mic
[03:49] <TNTS> reisio, I tried running it from terminal and here's what I got "./epsxe: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[03:49] <smaudet> harris: try the suggestions, not that we recommend any of them. My recommendation; don't use flash. Sorry =/
[03:49] <reisio> TNTS: I'd start with duckduckgo.com
[03:49] <dr_willis> harris:  check askubuntu.com perhaps
[03:50] <smaudet> harris: best of luck with your test
[03:50] <dr_willis> all i know are fixs that have worked for other flash issues
[03:50] <trism> TNTS: are you on amd64? might need libgtk2.0-0:i386
[03:51] <dr_willis> its a known flash issue that you cant click on the contriols/buttons unles the flash player is fullscreened. and adobe dosent care to fix the problem. ive also heard that if you hold down the RIGHT mouse button and try clickont on the buttons with the Left mouse button. it can sometimes work
[03:51] <TNTS> trism, yep
[03:51] <dr_willis> ive also heard if you use a  different window manager.. sometimes you can click on the flash controll buttons..
[03:52] <smaudet> harris: some real world advice; keep an Windows XP VM lying around for when you have a critical application that you need to get working, which just won't work.
[03:53] <smaudet> harris: the unfortunate truth is not everything plays nicely with Ubuntu.
[03:53] <smaudet> harris: but again, try what dr_willis suggests, you might get lucky
[03:53] <cappicard> looks like i finally found a workaround for my cx20585 audio codec. Simply putting "killall pulseaudio" into /etc/rc.local works a treat. :)
[03:53] <[[thufir]]> dr_willis: any thoughts
[03:54] <smaudet> harris: you might be able to find XP vms running in the cloud too
[03:54] <smaudet> i.e. open up a web-browser and use a windows xp box
[03:54] <harris> im just gonna use tablet ty though
[03:55] <smaudet> yup
[03:55] <smaudet> Android/iOS are a handy backup.
[03:55] <TNTS> Okay how do I install libGTK 2.0-i386?
[03:56] <smaudet> Of course if I ever get around to fixing more bugs in shumway we might be able to do away with flashplayer entirely someday.
[03:56] <smaudet> At least I expect that to be working before wine runs all windows programs
[03:56] <trism> TNTS: sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-0:i386
[03:57] <reisio> TNTS: ask apt-file
[03:59] <harris> smaudet, and its government version so the app wont even work
[04:01] <smaudet> harris: WindowsXP VM then
[04:04] <LinuxGold> on ubuntu 13.04 I get the error in console i2c i2c-3: sendbytes: NAK bailout. message
[04:04] <LinuxGold> running kernel 3.11.0-996
[04:05] <wilee-nilee> LinuxGold, That kernel is not supported here for use in 13.04 technically.
[04:05] <LinuxGold> alright.
[04:10] <[[thufir]]> I'm in safemode.  When I try to install packages it says that I have held or broken packages.  From the command line, how do I fix the updates?
[04:11] <TNTS> Thanks Tristam
[04:11] <TNTS> Whoops
[04:11] <TNTS> My bad
[04:12] <LinuxGold> apt-get -f install?
[04:13] <TNTS> Okay something weird is happening. The software updater is randomly doing checks.
[04:17] <infinitux> is there a console app that can scan for any kind of physical hardware problems the system might have?
[04:18] <amp1> i have xubuntu installed and am getting a pop up window with upgrade choice to ubuntu 13.04 ...will i be able to retain the xfce desktop if i upgrade or will it shift to unity?
[04:24] <Guest82577> ANY GIRL HERE..
[04:26] <c_smith> Guest82577, dude, is that even needed in a support channel?
[04:31] <QwertyKb> Are packages for Plasma Active 4 available?
[04:33] <tannji_bl> I just did a software update in 13.04...  and it seemed to break unity and/or enlightenment.  it lets me logins?, but then the desktop is black with no gui. Has anyone seen this happen in the past few day
[04:34] <Dr_Willis> make a new user - see if they have the same issue
[04:35] <tannji_bl> Dr_Willis, got a link?  I dont know how to do that from cli....
[04:35] <Dr_Willis> sudo adduser billgates
[04:36] <tannji_bl> Dr_Willis,  ah.  thsudo, correct?at will be a reg user who has to use
[04:37] <c_smith> Dr_Willis, I see what you did there. XD
[04:37] <wilee-nilee> tannji_bl, Do you have a proprietary graphic driver installed?
[04:37] <tannji_bl> Dr_Willis, sorry, on crappy laptop glitching keyboard
[04:38] <tannji_bl> Dr_Willis,  yep, of course I have prop. vid drivers that took me months to install  = )
[04:38] <tannji_bl> oop, wilnee  = )
[04:38] <NewWeek> hi all
[04:39] <wilee-nilee> tannji_bl, from the manufacturer directly?
[04:39] <tannji_bl> wilee-nilee, if I have the prop. drivers, will the new user still be borqued?
[04:40] <Dr_Willis> if its a user setting issue - the new user may work
[04:40] <TNTS> How do I stop the Software Updater from randomly popping up?
[04:40] <wilee-nilee> tannji_bl, manufacturer drivers may not follow kernel updates and upgrades we had one yesterday I believe.
[04:40] <tannji_bl> wilee-nilee,  I believe that I downloaded direct from ATI, yes...  but it has been a while
[04:40] <Dr_Willis> it will point us in th right way to go to find the issue
[04:40] <wilee-nilee> tannji_bl, I would follow the DR's advice though.
[04:41] <tannji_bl> wilee-nilee,  yepper, trying now
[04:41] <dwarder> anyone uses hetzner collocation?
[04:41] <dwarder> or virtual server?
[04:41] <wilee-nilee> !anyone | dwarder
[04:42] <dwarder> upon installing anything (apt-get install whatever) i have this 0% [Connecting to mirror.hetzner.de  , and it wait for 5 mins or so, then it downloads, should i change my repos?
[04:43] <Ben64> yes
[04:43] <dwarder> to what?
[04:43] <Dr_Willis> may as well try :)
[04:43] <Ben64> default ubuntu ones, maybe a closer country
[04:43] <dwarder> default germany repos
[04:43] <dwarder> ?
[04:43] <dwarder> where do iget them?
[04:45] <tannji_bl> Dr_Willis, the new user has the same black desktop after logging in...
[04:47] <[[thufir]]> in failsafe mode, failsafeX brings up a dialog about low graphics mode and then exits (poorly).
[04:48] <[[thufir]]> I'm in Ubuntu 12.04LTS and want to install packages, but says I have held packages.  I read man apt-get, but don't see how to fix that.
[04:49] <Guest7127> hi guys, I did the system testing thing and failed: cpu/offlining_test with the comment "Beginning CPU Offlining Test Offlining cpu1"
[04:49] <Guest7127> any ideas on what this means?
[04:49] <benkillin> typie typie `apt-get install aptitude; aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade;` maybe that might work [[thufir]] aptitude is a little more helpful for things like that but sometimes I find it annoying
[04:49] <Guest7127> [[thufir]] what packages are you trying to install?
[04:50] <[[thufir]]> Guest7127: I want to remove and re-install unity.  I removed it, but it's blocked.
[04:50] <Guest7127> what are you typing in to reinstall it?
[04:50] <wilee-nilee> [[thufir]], unity is the ubuntu desktop and a meta package.
[04:50] <[[thufir]]> before I had problems, I turned off updates and upgrades through the GUI, so something about that is disabled, I think.  I'm not sure how to re-enable it.
[04:51] <Dr_Willis> tannji_bl:  but the Login screen (graphical) works correctly?
[04:51] <Guest7127> not sure if that would matter about installing packages
[04:51] <tannji_bl> Dr_Willis, yessir
[04:51] <Dr_Willis> [[thufir]]:  try a good old  'sudo apt-get update' 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' ?
[04:51] <CrAcKeR0101> hi
[04:51] <[[thufir]]> Guest7127: well, maybe not, but I'd like to try.  I'm thinking the graphics card is bad, but I'd at least like to try that.
[04:52] <Dr_Willis> tannji_bl:  that points to a driver issue witih your window manager. its possible a simpiler desktop may work . such as xubuntu, or lubuntu
[04:52] <[[thufir]]> Dr_Willis: don't you have to upgrade before running dist-upgrade, I thought?
[04:53] <Guest7127> you should not have to run dist-upgrade
[04:53] <Dr_Willis> if you did the apt-get update  recently you dont need to rerun update. dist-upgrade is a mor eintensive upgrade
[04:53] <wilee-nilee> [[thufir]], dist-upgrade is not a distro upgrade
[04:53] <[[thufir]]> ok, back in a bit.  (I have to log out of IRC to run those commands)
[04:53] <tannji_bl> Dr_Willis,  there wouldnt be a simple way to roll back the update?  = )
[04:54] <Dr_Willis> i never go back.. always move forward ;)
[04:54] <Guest7127> try running 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade' and if you do not have unity installed and want that then I am assuming 'sudo apt-get install unity' should work - right guys?
[04:54] <tannji_bl> Dr_Willis,  this is why I have trouble convincing people to come back and try linux, lol
[04:54] <Guest7127> oh, he is gone
[04:54] <wilee-nilee> unity is the ubuntu desktop
[04:54] <Dr_Willis> Guest7127:  for the full ubuntu desktop you may want the 'ubuntu-desktop' package
[04:55] <Dr_Willis> tannji_bl:  the same people that are still using windows vista?
[04:55] <tannji_bl> no, they are probably still on XP, because they have used it for 10 years without breaking. lol
[04:55] <Guest7127> Dr_Willis, he said he uninstalled unity. not sure what that exactly means but I think he should have the rest of what encompasses ubuntu-desktop
[04:56] <Guest7127> hi guys, I did the system testing thing and failed: cpu/offlining_test with the comment "Beginning CPU Offlining Test Offlining cpu1" - Any ideas on what this means?
[04:56] <tannji_bl> Dr_Willis,  what about changing driver to default?
[04:57] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu-desktop will pull in unity and aything else he may have messed up/remived.. hopefully
[04:57] <Guest7127> oh i see
[04:58] <wilee-nilee> the psychocats website has the full mets list for 12.04's ubuntu desktop
[04:58] <wilee-nilee> meta*
[05:00] <[[thufir]]> in recovery console, as root, I can install packages, right?  It says:  cannot install , depneds lib unity cord 5.0b ut 5.18 is to be installed.  error: you have held or broken packages.  this is after running update,upgrade dist-upgrade in apt-get
[05:01] <Guest7127> [[thufir]], are you sure you are connected to the internet?
[05:01] <GeorgeTorwell> is bazhang still an op in here or did canonical exercise some better judgement finally
[05:01] <[[thufir]]> Guest7127: I hope so :)  I'm talking to *someone*.  I pinged google, yes. and, in recovery console, enabled networking.
[05:02] <LinuxGold> [[thufir]]: apt-get -f install ?
[05:02] <LinuxGold> it should install files required for that package
[05:03] <[[thufir]]> I did the -f before, yes, I don't recall exactly, but I thin it was the same error.  I would have to logout of IRC to check again.
[05:03] <Guest7127> lol just making sure. One thing I could never figure out was how to connect to the net via terminal alone. knowing how would have saved me a number of reformats after I broke something
[05:04] <LinuxGold> 'apt-get -f install' the whole line right?
[05:04] <Guest7127> I did the system testing thing and failed: cpu/offlining_test with the comment "Beginning CPU Offlining Test Offlining cpu1" - Any ideas on what this means?
[05:04] <[[thufir]]> LinuxGold: I'll go try again.  back in a moment.
[05:04] <Guest7127> anyone?
[05:05] <Dr_Willis> its not to
[05:05] <Dr_Willis> oo hard to get wifi going via the cli
[05:06] <[[thufir]]> gold:  same result with -f switch to install unity.
[05:06] <crystalline> What ubuntu distro has the best 3d performance? lxde/kde/gnome/unity I want to do 3D work on linux
[05:07] <Guest7127> [[thufir]] what is the exact message you get back when you try?
[05:08] <[[thufir]]> held or broken packages.  I have to write it down, but it was that libunity core 5.05 was required (?) but 5.18.0... is to be installed.  error: you have held broken packages.  (message seems backwards).  12.04LTS
[05:08] <Dr_Willis> [[thufir]]:  the disrto or desktop really wont matter.  its what3d drivers  anc chipset you have that matters
[05:09] <[[thufir]]> ah, yes, I think the graphics card bit the dust (but don't know how to test that).
[05:09] <wilee-nilee> Dr_Willis, did you mean crystalline?
[05:10] <crystalline> I think he did... although I remember an old article said otherwise http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_1210beta_desktops&num=1
[05:11] <[[thufir]]> in the meantime, I'd like to perhaps switch over to xubuntu?
[05:11] <Dr_Willis> crystalline:  if you run the most minimal window manager you can.. you got more resources for your 3d app. baically
[05:11] <crystalline> Dr_Willis:  Ehh it's more about things being done well than how big things are.
[05:12] <Dr_Willis> crystalline:  the desktops that are allready using the 3d gfx part of your video card will be putting some load on the gpu allready
[05:12] <Dr_Willis> crystalline:  what app are you using to do '3d work' ?
[05:12] <crystalline> Mayaand Blender
[05:12] <Dr_Willis> you dont even have to run a desktop if you dont want to. just a simple windowq manager
[05:13] <Guest7127> So this will be the last time I ask this, just hoping someone here knows what it means: I did the system testing thing and failed: cpu/offlining_test with the comment "Beginning CPU Offlining Test Offlining cpu1" - Any ideas on what this means?
[05:14] <Dr_Willis> offlineing = being able to turn the thing on/off on the fly?
[05:14] <[[thufir]]> how can I switch to xubuntu?  It's installed, but on boot it still *tries* to go into unity.  because of the graphics card problem, I can't seem to click the icon to switch over.  so, how can remove unity as an option?  Just so I can get into firefox/google/etc for now.
[05:14] <Dr_Willis> [[thufir]]:  you have it set to auto login?
[05:14] <Guest7127> humm, I see. is it possible to do that?
[05:14] <Dr_Willis> [[thufir]]:  if not - the login screen should have some pulldown menu
[05:14] <crystalline> [[thufir]]:  I use gdm to select my desktops
[05:14] <Dr_Willis> Guest7127:  on BEOS you could. ;)  i recall seeing it done. not sure why you would need to
[05:15] <Dr_Willis> [[thufir]]:  your users .dmrc file defines their default desktop also
[05:15] <[[thufir]]> no, I click the user to login.  there's a pulldown menu, but, because of this weird graphics problem, I can't select all icons. I can click users, but can't click the pulldown menu for choosing unity/xubuntu/etc.
[05:15] <xtriz> i have downloaded a source package, now how can i install that package such that all the dependency of that package is automatically satisfied.
[05:15] <Dr_Willis> in .dmrc --->   Session=xubuntu
[05:15] <[[thufir]]> Dr_Willis: thanks, back in a bit :)
[05:16] <Dr_Willis> testing out xubuntu right now. havent tried it in ages. ;)
[05:16] <Dr_Willis> been using lubuntu lately. but its a bit awkward in some areas
[05:16] <crystalline> Dr_Willis: Nothig has changed lol
[05:17] <crystalline> xfce is a smaller(and not dead) gnome2... although mate is gnome2
[05:17] <Dr_Willis> ages as in 3+ years - so yea a lot has changed. ;)
[05:17] <Dr_Willis> im also compareing it to lubuntu -
[05:17] <crystalline> Was lubunut even alive 3 years ago lol
[05:18] <LinuxGold> olvwm
[05:18] <Guest7127> Thanks for your response Dr_Willis. I dont think I am going to worry about failing that portion of the system test...
[05:19] <Dr_Willis> Guest7127:  i doubt if it going to really matter much  ;)
[05:20] <crystalline> I wonder why Mint exists when there could simply be Mabuntu and Cinnabuntu... too bad there's no official mate/cinnamon ubuntu
[05:21] <xtriz> how can i get the source code from the ppa that i am using ?
[05:21] <crystalline> dev packages?
[05:22] <philluminati> Dev package != source package
[05:22] <[[thufir]]> I edited the ?.gdm? file for xubuntu (xubuntu-desktop did install correctly) but it boots to "sort of" unity, with the unity background but no panel.  (unity is removed.) hmm, what else can I do?  currently in recovery mode.
[05:22] <philluminati> Dev package would typically contain just header files for building against a library
[05:23] <philluminati> Apt-get is the only way I know how get source code on Ubuntu
[05:24] <philluminati> Aptitude can't do it
[05:24] <[[thufir]]> xtriz: source code for the ppa itself?  or for the packages it installs?  and, why?
[05:25] <Dr_Willis> !source
[05:25] <xtriz> philluminati, i am using apt-get source to get the source but i can't get exactly.
[05:25] <crystalline> will 13.04 to 13.10 upgrading be safe? last time i did an upgrade instead of install I had soo many broken things
[05:25] <xtriz> [[thufir]], yeah source code for the ppa .
[05:25] <xtriz> crystalline, it's safe till you are not using ppa, ppa has probability of breaking things.
[05:25] <[[thufir]]> xtriz: there's no source code for "a" ppa itself, it's just a configuration file.
[05:25] <Dr_Willis> [[thufir]]:  install a few other light desktops, or just window manages to see if you can select any in the lightdm login screen. if you installed the xubuntu-desktop package you should be able to select xubuntu
[05:26] <crystalline> xtriz: Ya definately have to update ppa info before dist upgrading
[05:26] <xtriz> [[thufir]], then how can i get the source of the install pacakge of that ppa ? just sudo apt-get source and that package ?
[05:27] <[[thufir]]> xtriz: dr willis, or someone, gave you alink a minute ago on how to do that.
[05:27] <Dr_Willis> !source
[05:27] <Dr_Willis> that one?
[05:27] <[[thufir]]> yup
[05:27] <xtriz> yeah :)
[05:27] <Dr_Willis> im not sure how the ppa's handle soruce.. cant say ive really needed to mess with the source
[05:28] <crystalline> Is there a list of ubuntus in terms of dev power?
[05:28] <[[thufir]]> probably, if you know the package, find the website for that project.  it's sure to be there, you can always use git.  which doesn't explain why you would want the source...?
[05:28] <Dr_Willis> 'dev power' meaning?
[05:28]  * [[thufir]] is just curious.
[05:29] <crystalline> THe number of developers, manhours going in, etc.
[05:29] <UnderSampled|phn> How do I switch back to the open source radeon drivers (from using fglrx) using the recovery shell?
[05:29] <Dr_Willis> i imagine unity/ubuntu is the tops. but i bet theres a lot of people diveing into that ubuntu touch. :) but its still a work in progress
[05:29] <Dr_Willis> UnderSampled|phn:  how did you install the fglrx drivers?
[05:30] <UnderSampled|phn> I used the ones available on the aid website
[05:30] <crystalline> xorg edgers = delicious evil closed drivers
[05:31] <Dr_Willis> UnderSampled|phn:  aid? ati? if you used the .run drivers.. then that .run driver i belive has a cli option to remove them
[05:31] <crystalline> UnderSampled|phn: Just install xorg edgers or stable from a repo, it'll write over your bad ones, usually
[05:31] <UnderSampled|phn> amd
[05:32] <UnderSampled|phn> what is edgers?
[05:32] <Dr_Willis> im not sure using the .run drivers, then just trying to use the repo drivers to overwrite them.. is a good idea. Best would be to uninstall them
[05:33] <crystalline> UnderSampled|phn: https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa is beta drivers and https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates is old drivers
[05:33] <[[thufir]]> ok, I'm in console mode with at least multiple consoles now :)  I removed compiz and installed lightdm.  it gave me a message about "low graphics mode"
[05:34] <Dr_Willis> why would you remove compiz? what desktop are you trying to use?
[05:34] <[[thufir]]> there are "funny" characters in pidgin chat program, around the console "window" border
[05:34] <[[thufir]]> Dr_Willis: anything. xubuntu would be fine.  not sure what else there is.
[05:34] <Dr_Willis> [[thufir]]:  sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop or lubuntu-desktop (try both  be dareing!) should work
[05:35] <Dr_Willis> may as well try 'sudo apt-get install jwm' while you are at it. ;) its about the smallest window manager ive seen
[05:35] <KI7MT> I like LXDE  .. nice and clean, few bugs though.
[05:35] <[[thufir]]> I did the first, I'll try lubuntu-desktop, too.  I tried startx just now.  jwm sounds good. thanks.
[05:36] <Dr_Willis> jwm is about as basic as it gets. ;)
[05:36] <Dr_Willis> without going extreme in smallness/lightness. heh
[05:36] <venus_> hello
[05:36] <Dr_Willis> !info jwm
[05:37] <venus_> can any one tell me how to use audio line  in for the audio line out as my audio out of sound card is broken which i can use in windows with Realtek HD audio manager
[05:38] <Dr_Willis> bbl
[05:38] <[[thufir]]> startx gives:  paste.ubuntu.com/6073489   (thank you pastebinit)
[05:40] <venus_> can any one tell me how to use audio line  in for the audio line out as my audio out of sound card is broken which i can use in windows with Realtek HD audio manager
[05:41] <[[thufir]]> cannot install all the desktops:  paste.ubuntu.com/6073492
[05:41] <xtriz> i have downloaded a source package, now how can i install that package such that all the dependency of that package is automatically satisfied.
[05:42] <philluminati> I'm using a phone but if you read the man pages for apt-get or aptitude there is a way to install just the dependencies
[05:43] <philluminati> Or you can install the package and then remove it
[05:44] <[[thufir]]> xtriz: you can also download the source itself, and just build it.  what's the package?
[05:45] <xtriz> [[thufir]], i was building ubuntu-desktop
[05:47] <[[thufir]]> xtriz: ohhh.
[05:48] <KI7MT> xtriz, get-build-deps is the package you want. " get-build-deps is a script to install the build dependencies for either a local source package or one or more packages from the repositories."
[05:48] <ddeconti> exit
[05:48] <[[thufir]]> I ran dpk --configure -a and again tried to install the graphical desktops, but it still says "held broken packages" even with the -f flag.
[05:49] <xtriz> KI7MT, that's useful :)
[05:50] <Guest23913> hi
[05:51] <[[thufir]]> from the console, should I be able to run "startx" to get a windows manager?  paste.ubuntu.com/6073526
[05:52] <xtriz> [[thufir]], which graphical desktop are you installing ?
[05:54] <[[thufir]]> xtriz: one sec
[05:56] <[[thufir]]> xtriz: trying to install -f jwn lxde lubuntu-desktop xubuntu-desktop:  paste.ubuntu.com/6073533
[05:58] <pepper_chico> guys, I like to use my bash fullscreen, and I use multiple workspaces, but anyway I change back to a workspace with my fullscreen bash window, the top menu bar keeps over the bash windows, and it takes a bit to hide, or only after I clear the bash
[05:58] <KI7MT> why lxde and lubuntu-desktop, they are on in the same.
[05:58] <pepper_chico> is there a way to fix this? and get my fullscreen window aways on top?
[05:58] <[[thufir]]> heh, didn't know that.
[05:59] <KI7MT> well I should say, lubuntu-desktop used LXDE  .. that's more accurate.
[05:59] <pepper_chico> this top menu bar is really annoying sometimes
[06:00] <KI7MT> The other thing is, why -f .. what is not installing that your trying to force ?
[06:01] <xtriz> [[thufir]], ok
[06:02] <usr13> three18ti: 13.04?
[06:02] <usr13> [[thufir]]: 13.04?
[06:02] <usr13> three18ti: Sorry, wrong nick.
[06:02] <[[thufir]]> KI7MT: yes, trying to force install because it doesnt' install.  12.04LTS
[06:02] <KI7MT> What specifically is "not installing" ?
[06:02] <pepper_chico> sad but I really don't get any help or comment from this channel ever...
[06:02] <[[thufir]]> I thought it was in the pastie.  I can go back and do one by one.
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> pepper_chico: what do you mean?
[06:03] <[[thufir]]> KI7MT: lubuntu-desktop fails to install with that error.
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> pepper_chico: did you re-ask your issue once in a while?
[06:04] <usr13> [[thufir]]: sudo apt-get install lubuntu-core
[06:04] <[[thufir]]> pepper_chico: it's very noisy.  you have to not be rude, but every ?15? minutes try again.  use pastebin.com or something to give details.
[06:04] <[[thufir]]> usr13: thx
[06:04] <pepper_chico> lotuspsychje, never get any help, I post doubts but hardly get any response, this happened before, I got previous issue solved by trial and error or digging forums
[06:05] <KI7MT> [[thufir]], are you install just lubuntu-desktop first when yo get that error, e.g. sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> pepper_chico: try what [[thufir]] tells you, giving as much details a spossible
[06:05] <usr13> pepper_chico: Here's how it works;  You ask questions, if someone knows an answer, they respond.
[06:05] <usr13> [[thufir]]: Is  "sudo apt-get install lubuntu-core"   doing anything?
[06:06] <pepper_chico> guys, I like to use my bash fullscreen, and I use multiple workspaces, but anyway I change back to a workspace with my fullscreen bash window, the top menu bar keeps over the bash windows, and it takes a bit to hide, or only after I clear the bash
[06:06] <[[thufir]]> usr13: paste.ubuntu.com/6073551 it seems endlessly recursive.
[06:06] <KI7MT> to install the full desktop, which is recommended, you want the top meta package, lubuntu-desktop
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> pepper_chico: can you screenshot that?
[06:08] <usr13> [[thufir]]: sudo apt-get install lubuntu-default-settings
[06:08] <usr13> [[thufir]]: cat /etc/issue #What does that say?
[06:10] <[[thufir]]> usr13: heh, one sec on that. tried to install:  paste.ubuntu.com/6073556 for where the recursion ends.
[06:11] <[[thufir]]> usr13: 12.04.2LTS  for the issue..?
[06:11] <[[thufir]]> \n \l at the end of that.
[06:12] <[[thufir]]> pepper_chico: you never describe what the *problem* is, what the outcome you want is. at least, not that I can read.
[06:13] <pepper_chico> lotuspsychje, this is a screenshot just after switching workspace, note the top menu bar over the fullscreen bash http://imgur.com/E3y6fht
[06:14] <usr13> [[thufir]]: sudo apt-get update
[06:14] <pepper_chico> it keeps there after the switch, it may take long or not to hide
[06:14] <[[thufir]]> usr13: I already did that, I'll do it again.
[06:14] <pepper_chico> it hides after a "clear"
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> pepper_chico: you mean the black bar from unity itself?
[06:15] <pepper_chico> lotuspsychje, yes
[06:15] <Laca> Hi All,
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> pepper_chico: you cant hide this on fullscreen, this is the way unity works now
[06:15] <usr13> [[thufir]]: sudo apt-get autoclean
[06:16] <Laca> I'd like to ask some help regarding mkfifo
[06:16] <KI7MT> Yep was goign to say that. sounds like a clean is needed.
[06:16] <pepper_chico> lotuspsychje, it hides, after I type "clear"  goes aways
[06:16] <LinuxGold> should apt-get autoremove work as well?
[06:16] <pepper_chico> s/aways/away/
[06:16] <usr13> [[thufir]]: sudo apt-get autoremove
[06:17] <usr13> LinuxGold: yes
[06:17] <pepper_chico> my problem is that, it should never be there for a fullscreen window, it keeps over the text of the bash window, over the text on the first line
[06:17] <pepper_chico> which sometimes, hides text
[06:17] <usr13> [[thufir]]: Any luck?
[06:17] <pepper_chico> and is completely annoying
[06:18] <[[thufir]]> usr13: no, same results.  I did that and more, I'll do the autoremove.  same error message as the script I pasted.
[06:18] <KI7MT> there not the same, autoremove takes away pkgs that were installed and no longer needed, orphaned if you will,  where autoclean clears out the local repository of retrieved package files.
[06:18] <usr13> [[thufir]]: Yea, try autoremove
[06:18] <Laca> I'd like to controll an mplayer instance, and when I do it from a terminal after I've logged in, everything works fine, but when I put the commands into an init.d script, I can not write to the fifo .
[06:18] <lotuspsychje> pepper_chico: im not sure i completely understand you, but i think unity confuses you
[06:19] <lgc> Hi. This is probably an old topic, but I just found out that my touchpad isn't working, either in Ubuntu or in Windows. I noticed that after a live boot. What gives?
[06:20] <usr13> I've  got to leave.... so...
[06:20] <[[thufir]]> nope, same result after autoremove (which removed a few packages)
[06:20] <pepper_chico> lotuspsychje, maybe you didn't understand, that's is not a global menu for a maximized window, my bash is fullscreen, and that top menu is a defect, because for fullscreen window it should be hidden
[06:20] <pepper_chico> lotuspsychje, just after putting a bash window in fullscreen, there no such top menu bar, it's just the fullscreen bash
[06:21] <KI7MT> [[thufir]], sudo sh -c "apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade;apt-get autoremove;apt-get autoclean"
[06:21] <pepper_chico> lotuspsychje, only when it looses focus, that annoying top menu shows up
[06:21] <pepper_chico> and take a while to hide, or after I clear the bash
[06:21] <wildc4rd> just had an internal error from module-init-tools 3.16-1ubuntu2, any ideas what this is or how to remedy it?
[06:23] <KI7MT> wildc4rd, paste-bin the error, maybe somebody can help with it if the know more about it.
[06:23] <[[thufir]]> KI7MT:  ok, I think I did all that, but I'll do it again.
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> pepper_chico: i dont understand where your going mate, your pic shows black top panel 'terminal' fullscreen and terminal text going under it...whats the problem now?
[06:25] <KI7MT> [[thufir]], after that, sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends lubuntu-desktop
[06:25] <wildc4rd> KI7MT, where will I find the log please, I can't copy from the error screen
[06:27] <pepper_chico> lotuspsychje, can you see that that top menu is cutting text, that's because it's over the text, like when you enable auto-hide for the Launcher and sometimes it keeps over some window
[06:27] <pepper_chico> lotuspsychje, and then, hides afterwards
[06:28] <pepper_chico> lotuspsychje, my bash is on fullscreen state, it should take all the screen
[06:28] <KI7MT> wildc4rd, pass, depends on what's failing. what is failing and when is it failing ?
[06:28] <pepper_chico> and it does, except when that top menu shows up
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> pepper_chico: thats what i wanna try telling you, you can fullscreen without top panel, thats how unity works now
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> cant
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> pepper_chico: the terminal text cutting, is text you scrolling above, acting normally
[06:29] <pepper_chico> ..., but that top panel is not fixed
[06:29] <[[thufir]]> KI7MT: it still leads back to this:  (old pastie, but same thing)   paste.ubuntu.com/6073556
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> pepper_chico: fixed in what way?
[06:29] <pepper_chico> it pops up out of a defect
[06:29] <pepper_chico> it's not part of the window
[06:30] <pepper_chico> putting a bash into fullscreen
[06:30] <pepper_chico> it does not show
[06:30] <KI7MT> [[thufir]], even with --no-install-recommends ?
[06:30] <pepper_chico> I get a fullscreen bash
[06:30] <[[thufir]]> KI7MT: yes, the exact same error.
[06:30] <pepper_chico> that thing shows, when I go to other workspace, and then back
[06:30] <wildc4rd> KI7MT, only seems to be module-init-tools 3.16-1ubuntu2, and only once at startup. next time I restart (could be a while) I'll get some further details and pastebin it. Thanks for the help.
[06:31] <Laca> Hi all,
[06:32] <Laca> any advice regarding mkfifo?
[06:32] <[[thufir]]> KI7MT: paste.ubuntu.com/6073619   for with --no-install
[06:33] <KI7MT> wildc4rd, module-init is a loader for the kernel, so could be  a bad module, path all sorts of things, let us know when ya got more info.
[06:34] <pepper_chico> lotuspsychje,  and that cutting of text is not normal, one common problem I face is when I'm on the first line, at the top of the screen, and then go to another workspace and the back, the top menu now covers my cursor, if I start typing I cannot even see what I'm typing because of the stupid menu that over the bash window
[06:35] <KI7MT> [[thufir]], drop the gnome-icon thing, we can deal with that separately.
[06:35] <KI7MT> AND, use sudo apt-get install. YOu should not be using root
[06:36] <[[thufir]]> KI7MT: oh, yeah, I don't care, it's just where it leads to.  I'm just using root at the moment because I'm running lotsa commands through it.
[06:36] <KI7MT> root and sudo are two very different things on a sudo system.
[06:37] <[[thufir]]> heh, I mean, I don't care about the gnome-icon thing, it's just the thing that everyhting else seems to depend upon...ok, I'll try sudo.
[06:37] <KI7MT> Log out of the root account and into a normal user that is in the sudo user group.
[06:39] <[[thufir]]> KI7MT: ok.  I did that, and get the same error message about broken packages
[06:40] <marloshouse> how can i give a single network port two IP addresses, one static one dhcp, is that possible? (13.04 server)
[06:41] <KI7MT> [[thufir]],As SUDO user, not Roo, re=run:  sudo sh -c "apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade;apt-get autoremove;apt-get autoclean"  .. then ... sudo apt-get -f lubuntu-desktop --no-install-recommends
[06:43] <[[thufir]]> KI7MT: ok.
[06:43] <KI7MT> marloshouse, you can do it, technically, but you'll have routing problems. whay would you want both?
[06:44] <marloshouse> well, i guess i don't really need both, i just need a static ip on the box, i'll just do that.
[06:46] <marloshouse> my concern was i was remoting in to the box, and i didn't want to loose connectivity while i set up a static ip
[06:46] <randmuser> Hello, is there any decent search tool for ubuntu 13.04? I used to run gnome-search-tool but it's not available through repositories.
[06:47] <KI7MT> marloshouse, if you need static, easy enough, assign if from your router, or host files. DHCP not reallt the best option for server IP's, but for those being served IP's by the server, then yes DHCP is good.
[06:47] <Sticks> Hi all, I have Gnome 3 running on Ubuntu 13 and the menus aren't working in Kdenlive. They work fine in Unity. Why could this be happening?
[06:47] <KI7MT> randmuser, what ya searching for?
[06:47] <marloshouse> yea, i'll have to just set up static from the head
[06:47] <marloshouse> but, what does one do when the box is headless?
[06:48] <randmuser> KI7MT: I want to search a folder i remotly connected to. If i search inside nautilus is start searching my local computer (and I dont like the fact that they give you very little on the result)
[06:48] <KI7MT> marloshouse, use allot of terminal programs: Tasksel is your friend :-)
[06:49] <marloshouse> tasksel?
[06:49] <KI7MT> open terminal on your server, type sudo tasksel
[06:49] <marloshouse> randmuser, i use 'mc' when i'm in a terminal for searching for things
[06:49] <marloshouse> KI7MT, oh... my lookie there
[06:50] <randmuser> Well I used to be able to do this in gnome-search-tool, so why is ubuntu removing my features? Or are they avaiable somehow?
[06:50] <randmuser> My workflow is way faster in a decent gui compared to terminal
[06:50] <wilee-nilee> Sticks, gnome 3 is the desktop underneath unity, the fallback and the gnome shell, which might your be?
[06:50] <wilee-nilee> yours*
[06:51] <wilee-nilee> kubuntu to some extent to I believe
[06:51] <[[thufir]]> KI7MT: it's still exactly the same error, about broken packages.  I ran all that from sudo
[06:52] <KI7MT> [[thufir]], man .. this one got me stuck too .. I suspect you have a corrupt cache or fail list, but not sure now that this root thing is there, maybe even permission issues.
[06:53] <Sticks> wilee-nilee: I installed gnome-shell and ubuntu-gnome-desktop similar to the instructions here: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/04/gnome-3-8-ppa-for-ubuntu-gnome
[06:54] <xtriz> Sticks, is that stable or there are bugs in gnome3 ?
[06:54] <wilee-nilee> Sticks, 3.8 is a ppa and not technically supported here in 13.04, I tried it a little while ago and found it a bit problematic, it is in 13.10 howerver.
[06:55] <[[thufir]]> KI7MT: ok. on to other things!  I just want to startx.  I have xubuntu-desktop installed on 12.04LTS but startx doesn't work.  I *think* my graphics card bit the dust, but shouldn't I still be able to run something like that from the onboard graphics card?  I tried startx.
[06:56] <KI7MT> [[thufir]], I would think so, yes, but the whole not being able to install thing is an issue. Have you tried to install any other desktops ?
[06:57] <Sticks> wilee-nilee, xtriz: Cheers. It runs pretty well from my experience. This menu not working is the first problem I've really encountered with it. So I'm better off waiting for 13.10 and this might not be an issue?
[06:57] <sponix> Anyone in here used Ksplice and OpenVZ before ?
[06:58] <[[thufir]]> KI7MT: I installed, err, xubuntu-desktop and ??jvm?  something like that.
[06:58] <xtriz> Sticks, by 13.10 they wll be using gnome3.8 tll i best remember.
[06:58] <wilee-nilee> Sticks, The main point is that it is not supported here, so you may get help, it may take a long time, and it may be from people who are just willing to help without really knowing any real answer.
[06:59] <KI7MT> [[thufir]], so the original installation was with xubuntu-desktop and are you able to log in there?
[06:59] <sponix> Dropping into this conversation late (Sorry) -- Sticks: What is the issue/problem ?
[07:00] <wilee-nilee> Sticks, There is a #kdenlive channel however small user base on the channel says there it may take awhile, but an option.
[07:00] <[[thufir]]> KI7MT: no, it was 12.04LTS which was with unity.  I removed unity (foolishly) and cannot get xubuntu started.
[07:01] <KI7MT> [[thufir]], Oh man .. ok, just for info, how did you remove Unity ?
[07:01] <steve_fi> heya, anyone have any idea if there's decent drivers for the Intel GMA 3650 (PowerVR SGX 545) in 13.04 or 13.10?
[07:02] <[[thufir]]> apt-get purge unity
[07:02] <Sticks> sponix: I'm running Kdenlive in Gnome 3.8 and the menu isn't responding. It appears, but clicking on 'File' for example does nothing.
[07:02] <Sticks> Cheers, wilee-nilee, I'll try there as well.
[07:02] <UndrWater> steve_fi: embedded?
[07:02] <steve_fi> UndrWater, I think so, it's an Atom tablet, so my money is on yeah
[07:03] <sponix> Sticks: You can't fix that ? Seems like a simple kill/respawn to me
[07:03] <UndrWater> steve_fi: atom is not quite embedded...which tablet?
[07:04] <Laca> Anybody with knowledge of FIFOs?
[07:04] <steve_fi> UndrWater, Asus VivoTab ME400C and the Acer Iconia W3 8"
[07:04] <sponix> Sticks: example in gnome(cough 2) you can ps ax|grep panel ... it shows gnome-panel as the process name, and a simple kill -9 gnome-panel forces it to respawn (forces updates to the panel too if you just installed a new program)
[07:05] <KI7MT> steve_fi, https://01.org/linuxgraphics/downloads/2013/intelr-linux-graphics-installer-version-1.0.2
[07:05] <steve_fi> cheers KI7MT  :)
[07:05] <[[thufir]]> am I running startx "correctly" to start xubuntu?  paste.ubuntu.com/6073526
[07:05] <sponix> Laca: First-In-First-Out ?
[07:06] <Laca> yes.
[07:06] <UndrWater> sweet...still looking for something that easy for the igepv2
[07:06] <sponix> Laca: Doing what, firewall rules ?
[07:06] <Laca> not,
[07:06] <sponix> Laca: File Sockets ?
[07:06] <Laca> controlling an mplayer instance
[07:07] <sponix> Laca: Aww, not sure I would have gotten that with 10 guesses :P
[07:07] <Laca> my problem is that when I do it from a terminal, after I've logged in, it works fine.
[07:07] <KI7MT> [[thufir]], normall is: sudo /etc/init.d/xdm stop / start, restart
[07:07] <Laca> but if I put the initialization commands into an init.d script,
[07:07] <Sticks> sponix: Cheers for that, but I'm not exactly following what you're saying.  ps ax|grep in terminal shows: 13752 pts/0    S+     0:00 grep --color=auto panel
[07:07] <Laca> later I can not write into the FIFO
[07:08] <[[thufir]]> KI7MT: thx
[07:08] <Laca> the question is not related with the mplayer, but the FIFO itself.
[07:09] <Laca> I think.
[07:09] <sponix> Sticks: "ps ax|grep panel" was to find your "*-panel" process name, then you "kill" it ;)
[07:09] <sponix> Laca: for fsck sake, just ask the question and we can see if anyone knows how to help
[07:10] <path0gen> ^
[07:10] <sponix> Sticks: issue is your panel (menu) isn't responding, riiight ?
[07:10] <[[thufir]]> I don't have /etc/init.d/xdm   to run startx
[07:10] <sponix> [[thufir]]: sorry about your bad luck
[07:11] <KI7MT> [[thufir]], that not be good, so sudo restart xdm is no joy ?
[07:12] <Laca> The question is: after I create a FIFO in the init.d with mkfifo -m 0666 /tmp/audio.cmd, and later after logging in, I do an echo mute>/tmp/audio.cmd it is waiting infinitely or till ctrl-c.
[07:12] <Laca> why?
[07:12] <KI7MT> Maybe, if you didn't remove all of Ubuntum, the GDM is still there, sudo restart gdm
[07:12] <iceroot_> [[thufir]]: you are sure you mean gdm and noth lightdm? lightdm is the default since some releases
[07:13] <[[thufir]]> ok, thanks!
[07:13] <[[thufir]]> wait, should I use lightdm?
[07:13] <KI7MT> [[thufir]], normal is: sudo restart lightdm   second would be sudo restart gdm then xdm is all else fails.
[07:14] <Sticks> sponix: Sure is. The problem now though is that searching for the panel process brings up nothing. Maybe it's called something else in 3.8?
[07:14] <sponix> Sticks: You ever used "xkill" ?
[07:14] <KI7MT> iceroot_, he removed Ubuntu desktop, installed xubuntu desktop, and it's failing to install Lubuntu-desktop, Im kinda at the end on this one.
[07:15] <KI7MT> he can't get X to start up at all or lubuntu-desktop to install.
[07:15] <sponix> Laca: seems you are digging in pretty deep for this hour, think its a bit beyond me at the moment. What is your "Overall" goal you are using mplayer for (ripping/encoding ?) ?
[07:15] <[[thufir]]> it's probably precipitated by hardware problem.  yeah, it's unknown job for all those "start lightdm" et. al.
[07:15] <Sticks> sponix: Nope. Is now the time?
[07:16] <[[thufir]]> KI7MT: thanks for giving the context.  (I'll buy you a virtual beer :)
[07:16] <KI7MT> Yeah, single malt would do at this point :-)
[07:16] <Laca> I'd like to build a headless audio player controlled by a webpage on it.
[07:16] <sponix> Sticks: "man xkill" ... you can simply run "xkill" in a terminal/console (whatever the kids call the command line these days). then point the magic X (skull&crossbones) at the Menu and Kicks its lily *ss ?
[07:17] <UndrWater> Laca: ices?
[07:17] <Laca> ices?
[07:18] <Sticks> sponix: Well that sounds fun. I'll try that.
[07:18] <Laca> sorry, don't understand...
[07:18] <Flannel> Laca: There's a few choices.  mpd is a popular one, it allows a variety of frontends, including some web page stuff.
[07:18] <sponix> Laca: Ices is a mp3/audio server .. Ya know, the pre-built type that doesn't require all this work
[07:18] <Flannel> Laca: ices is a source client for icecast, which is an audio streaming server
[07:19] <sponix> actually VLC has a lot of remote playing capability as well
[07:19] <Laca> ok, I'll give it a try! :)
[07:19] <Flannel> sponix: I don't think he wants "remote playing", just headless.
[07:19] <sponix> Never _used_ it, but the streaming can do large broadcast, started out by those damm college kids streaming their pirated movies back and forth ! ... Thank them ;)
[07:20] <sponix> Flannel: yeah, umm... I do tend to get carried away
[07:21] <sponix> Sticks: you kill that troublesome menu yet ?
[07:21] <Laca> I don't want to stream media, but would like to play streamed ones and local files as well.
[07:22] <Flannel> Laca: Any media player that provides a web frontend will work.  I'm sure there's a few.
[07:22] <Sticks> sponix: It killed the Kdenlive program just fine, but did nothing for the menu. It's the Kdenlive menu that's buggered, not the Gnome menu.
[07:22]  * sponix looks up Kdenlive to see WTF it is 
[07:23] <Laca> As I have no X (ubuntu 12.04 server) I need media player without gui and x dependencies.
[07:23] <KI7MT> It's a free open source vid editor ... or so the website says :-)
[07:23] <sponix> Sticks: Awww.. I'm tracking a bit more now
[07:23] <sponix> Sticks: you got a screen snap of what your menu looks like, and another of what it should look like ?
[07:24] <sponix> KI7MT: I'm so far behind the times I thought Kdenlive was another damm spin-off of ubuntu, like a LiveCD/DVD !
[07:25] <KI7MT> I had to go looky too, thought it was some sorta ThumbDrive spinoff :-)
[07:26] <helmut_> hi
[07:27] <sponix> Sticks: program probably has a .kdenlive preferences directory to store its settings, chances are removing that will return the menu (and everything else about the program) back to the defaults
[07:28] <KI7MT> :-) If it's a smart program, it would.
[07:29] <sponix> might be under .config/kdenlive as well
[07:30] <ASHER1> Hey
[07:30] <sponix> KI7MT: yeah, it looks fairly modern. Should follow the standards
[07:30] <ASHER1> hello
[07:30] <ASHER1> Hello
[07:30] <KI7MT> Several concerns, there UB/Debian sections says, Upgrade to Unstable, Use Root, Dist-Upgrade .. not so good those things.
[07:31] <sponix> KI7MT: You having an issue ?
[07:31] <KI7MT> Oh no, not me ...
[07:31] <Sticks> sponix: The menu's here: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Sticks38/Screenshotfrom2013-09-07172852_zps36a1f492.png
[07:31] <sponix> Good, because after taking another leak its my bedtime
[07:31] <venus_> hello can anyone tell me how to use audio line  Blue for audio out as it is broken it work with realtek audio manager in windows but how to do this in ubuntu
[07:32] <Sticks> Clicking on a menu item toggles the selected style of the item (it looks to pop out and highlight a bit) but doesn't drop open
[07:34] <sponix> Sticks: Was the Menu _Ever_ Working ? And if so, when was the last time it did, and what recent changes have been made ?
[07:35] <Sticks> sponix: Never working. I've only recently installed the program. It works under the Unity environment, but not when I switch to Gnome.
[07:37] <sponix> Sticks: Oh, now that my friend is odd. Have me stumped at this point
[07:39] <Sticks> sponix: It is odd. Thanks for trying!
[07:40] <KI7MT> Sticks, you may want to post in the Kdenlive or KDE desktop forums, they both seem fairly active on this app.
[07:41] <sponix> Sticks: you can "ldd /path/to/kdenlive" to see what libraries it uses, make sure they are in the ld.so.conf path stuff
[07:42] <sponix> outside of that, I'm at a loss :P
[07:44] <Sticks> KI7MT, sponix: Cheers, I'll check those out.
[07:44] <[[thufir]]> for lightdm, when I look at lightdm.conf I don't want to use the unity greeter.  what can I switch that to for xubuntu or something like that?
[07:45] <[[thufir]]> also, the user session for lightdm.conf is ubuntu, can I make that xubuntu?
[07:45] <KI7MT> xdm if for xubuntu I believe need to run a verify that.
[07:46] <KI7MT> LightDM
[07:46] <[[thufir]]> thufir parse KI7MT fail tries to
[07:46] <KI7MT> sudo apt-get install lightdm lightdm-greeter-example-gtk
[07:47] <karab44> hello
[07:47] <KI7MT> sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm
[07:47] <karab44> I have problem with wacom tablet. It works bad, it's very laggy
[07:47] <[[thufir]]> KI7MT: thx
[07:47] <karab44> It's a graphire bluetooth tablet
[07:48] <KI7MT> then sudo stop gdm && sudo start lightdm  .. assuming you an install them all.
[07:48] <ripthejacker> !virtualbox
[07:49] <ripthejacker> !poll
[07:49] <KI7MT> 4.2.16 also has a bad memory leak
[07:50] <KI7MT> Vbox 4.2.16 that is.
[07:50] <karab44> of course there are such apps. Most of apps suffers of poor quality, unstability or lack of functionality. Don't say there are no worse or better  apps
[07:53] <karab44> I experience serious lag using wacom tablet. Is my i7 too slow?
[07:53] <ripthejacker> KI7MT: so which one do you use
[07:54] <ikonia> karab44: visual lag ?
[07:55] <vlt> Hello. Which xserver pkg might be missing when I get error messages about missing a "xv adaptor for this display"?
[07:55] <vlt> How to find out which driver is used currently?
[07:55] <karab44> That's a good question. What kind of lags we distinguish? Hardly to say, but generally yes, I move pen and pointer moves with delay.
[07:56] <viveksingh> Hai friends Today I switched to ubuntu
[07:56] <dino> hey hi
[07:56] <karab44> viveksingh: welcome
[07:57] <viveksingh> I am bored with windows .... But don't what to do after installing ubuntu
[07:57] <ikonia> karab44: I suspect the problem is with your video card config, rather than your cpu/arch
[07:57] <karab44> ikonia: Yes, I am listening
[07:57] <dino> is there any way to access the process task-structure
[07:57] <ikonia> process task structure ?
[07:58] <viveksingh> Karab44: can u please tell me the basic things what to do after installing ubuntu server
[07:58] <ikonia> karab44: what video card do you have in this machine ?
[07:59] <dino> yes process task structure
[07:59] <ikonia> dino: what do you mean ?
[07:59] <karab44> ikonia: GB 570GTX 1024 SuperOverclocked
[07:59] <[[thufir]]> whoot!  I ran "lightdm" from err, what's it called, console mode? it gave me an error about "limited graphics mode".  now, I'm in a messed up unity.  I can move the mouse around, but icons do not respond to clicks. well, some stuff does, but most does not.
[07:59] <karab44> viveksingh: it depends what exactly you want to do. If you want website install apache
[07:59] <KI7MT> ripthejacker, Sorry, I was off reading, I use Vbox, 4.2.18 as of today, was merely stating, it had a bad bug.
[07:59] <ikonia> karab44: ok, so it's possible you may need to use the nvidia xorg modules, or force use of the open nvidia xorg modules, depending on your current state
[08:00] <ripthejacker> KI7MT: have you used kvm?
[08:01] <KI7MT> KVM-IP ?
[08:01] <[[thufir]]> it's very weird.  I can put the mouse on things, they will hightlight.  I can rightclick, but not left click.  this happened literally, all of sudden earlier today.  assuming it's not the mouse, what could this be?
[08:01] <karab44> ikonia: It would be a great tutorial for me, educating myself about X system. Honestly :) . I am still confused about all these X, Xfree86, waylands, GLX, XGL and others... Maybe this task will cast some brightness to this area of my knowledge.
[08:02] <ikonia> karab44: sadly, there is not real 'good' tutorial that I know of,
[08:02] <ikonia> karab44: for your system - all you are interested in is "xorg", which is "X"
[08:03] <ikonia> karab44: the question you need answering is 1.) what xorg module is your machine currently using 2.) what is the module you should be using 3.) what is the best way for me to set it
[08:03] <[[thufir]]> how can I reconfigure lightdm to just use xfce?  xubuntu-desktop?
[08:03] <KI7MT> X is is kinda like Kernel Code .. it's written in Wizard Code :-)
[08:03] <karab44> Does it have something to do with nvidia proprietary graphic drivers?
[08:03] <Aku506> Hello! How can i remap buttons 8 and 9 to scroll screen horizontaly?
[08:03] <KI7MT> xface is the default for xubuntu.
[08:04] <ikonia> karab44: the answers for me will be (without looking into it properly) 1.) noveu 2.) nvidia 3.) install the nvidia properitary modules and use nvidia-settings to force it to be used in your xorg.conf file
[08:04] <karab44> ikonia: it's not an easy task. First I'll have to find out what kind of module do I actually use.
[08:05] <KI7MT> [[thufir]], https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LightDM
[08:05] <[[thufir]]> KI7MT: thanks.  you gonna stay up another five hours to fix this with me?  :)  LOL
[08:05] <KI7MT> Not likely :-)
[08:05] <[[thufir]]> KI7MT: do you think this could be bad video card?  can I test it? diagnostic?
[08:06] <student> how to find malware process?
[08:06] <ikonia> karab44: I suspect you're using noveu or "nv" - which is the open nvidia drivers
[08:06] <ikonia> student: why do you think you have one ?
[08:06] <KI7MT> Low Graphics mode points toward HW or Driver, but .. just a guess.
[08:06] <karab44> ikonia: how to check it?
[08:06] <[[thufir]]> student: are you sure that's what you mean?
[08:06] <student> yes
[08:06] <ikonia> karab44: you'll see it in the xorg.0.log
[08:06] <student> is any budy know about it??
[08:07] <ikonia> student: why do you think you have malware
[08:07] <aeon-ltd> student: you do know that it malware (if present) could be masked as something else, finding it manually would take hours
[08:08] <KI7MT> LMD is your frend
[08:08] <student> but how to do this manually?
[08:08] <ikonia> student: why do you think you have malware
[08:08] <aeon-ltd> student: answer ikonia's question first
[08:08] <student> i am doing project on it.
[08:09] <aeon-ltd> student: to show the most inefficient way to find malware?
[08:09] <ikonia> student: there is no such thing as a "standard way" you see symptoms and trace/track the symptoms to the problem
[08:10] <[[thufir]]> in my xorg log I don't see anything about "low graphics mode" I tried grep on low, nothing related.  what can I look for, or where, to find out more?
[08:10] <student> there is any way to differentiate between malware and benign process?
[08:10] <aeon-ltd> student: like a doctor doing a differential diagnosis, or use a malware scanner
[08:10] <ikonia> student: you need symptoms - if you have none, this is a pointless discussion
[08:11] <KI7MT> LDM is a huge subject to think about, refining the scope would probable yield a much better paper.
[08:11] <student> i want to do this using programming ..
[08:11] <ikonia> student: this isn't really anything to do with ubuntu then
[08:11] <dino> hey what is xorg
[08:11] <ikonia> dino: the display server for linux
[08:11] <karab44> KI7MT: pardon mate, what kind of memory leak you mentioned. I have this version of vbox
[08:11] <aeon-ltd> student: you want to build a malware scanner that has a database of one? this is ridiculous
[08:12] <KI7MT> karab44, I don' have the source, what I did have was a machine that could reproduce the problem, windows host, UB VM, ram gust kept growing.
[08:13] <karab44> KI7MT: Is it official bug? Did you report it?
[08:13] <dino> hey is there any  site where i can get the source code for bloGTK
[08:13] <KI7MT> I can't find one, but they up-reved to 4.2.18 today, so I'm watching this one.
[08:15] <student> how can monitor malware??????
[08:15] <[[thufir]]> I really, really, don't think I have a bad mouse.  but, I can't left click anything. in firefox, I can right click a link, the menu comes up, I *right* click "open in new tab".  is that normal?  I'm in unity, somehow, even though I thought I'd removed it...
[08:15] <Hemebond> I have just installed and configured isc-dhcp-server on an Ubuntu server but the server itself can't resolve names (DNS). /etc/resolv.conf has localhost as the nameserver. How do I fix this to properly point to the upstream DNS server?
[08:16] <Ben64> student: how is this relating to ubuntu support
[08:16] <Hemebond> Also, the /etc/network/interfaces file has the correct DNS server.
[08:16] <KI7MT> dino, first item in googgle search: https://launchpad.net/blogtk/
[08:17] <Hemebond> In the dns-nameservers entry.
[08:17] <dry[1]> hi. java is not working on my ubuntu. how to fix it, plz?
[08:18] <Dr_Willis> !java | dry[1]
[08:18] <Ben64> !resolvconf | Hemebond, i think you're looking for this
[08:19] <Hemebond> Thanks Ben64, I've already read those.
[08:19] <dry[1]> Dr_Willis: It's working on my browsers only. Related thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2171255
[08:19] <john_john> How do I erase a dvd with ubuntu so I can install another iso on it? Only half of the space is used.
[08:19] <Hemebond> Ben64: Ah, I rebooted the server again and now /etc/resolv.conf has the correct values.
[08:19] <bekks> john_john: Is it a DVD-RW?
[08:19] <Dr_Willis> john_john:  it is a rewriteable dvd?
[08:19] <Hemebond> Very strange.
[08:19] <karab44> KI7MT: I found some documentation about it, probably still not fixed ...
[08:20] <dan123> hello, how can I automatically mount a webdav drive at startup? I am looking to have my Box.com account mounted automatically. I added a line in fstab and added the secret file and added the used to the group davfs2 but it is not mounting it
[08:20] <dan123> when I run mount /path/ it works
[08:20] <[[thufir]]> 1.) should /usr/lib/lightdm/lightdm-set-defaults be a non-human readable file?  cat output is strange. 2.)  to configure that for xfce4, xubuntu, what's the syntax:  lightdm-set-defaults <???>
[08:21] <mathfreak> dan123: Is there an "auto" option on the fstab?
[08:21] <KI7MT> karab44, Yeah, it was bad enough that I could watch my RAM monitor increase.
[08:21] <john_john> bekks: It's dvd-r, does that mean I wont be able to use the leftover space?
[08:21] <dan123> mathfreak:  https://dav.box.com/dav /home/pi/box  davfs  rw,noexec,auto,user,async,_netdev,uid=pi,gid=pi  0  0
[08:21] <bekks> john_john: Correct.
[08:21] <dino> john_john:its not possible to write the dvd again if you have writen it has iso
[08:21] <Ben64> [[thufir]]: it's an executable file
[08:21] <Dr_Willis> dan123:  also wheres your end mountpoint? is it in the users home?  -  is your users Homes encrypted?
[08:21] <john_john> fak
[08:21] <john_john> okay
[08:21] <bekks> john_john: A DVD-R can be written to only once.
[08:21] <bekks> john_john: Thats the difference between -R and -RW.
[08:22] <[[thufir]]> Ben64: ok. thx.
[08:22] <dan123> Dr_Willis: no, its not encrypted. The mountpoint is in /var/www/Box
[08:22] <dan123> which I changed in fstab
[08:23] <student> how to check process descriptor???
[08:23] <[[thufir]]> I see:  http://askubuntu.com/questions/179148/set-default-user-session-to-xfce4  but no correct answer for lightdm sessionsyntax.
[08:24] <Ben64> [[thufir]]: what are you trying to accomplish
[08:25] <dan123> Dr_Willis: I added this line in fstab https://dav.box.com/dav /var/www/Box  davfs  rw,noexec,auto,user,async,_netdev,uid=pi,gid=pi  0  0
[08:25] <[[thufir]]> I want to set lightdm to not use unity (would rather just uninstall unity) and strictly use xfce.  I don't know whetherI have mouse or video card or driver problem, but it's hard to click on things and change settings, etc.
[08:26] <Dr_Willis> dan123:  so auto mounting fails. but if you later do a sudo mount /var/www/Box it works?
[08:26] <KI7MT> [[thufir]], based on earlier context, you ant to change the greeter ?
[08:26] <dan123> Dr_Willis: yes
[08:27] <dino> hey how do i change the nice value of a process
[08:27] <Dr_Willis> dan123:  err.. im not totally sure but i THINK uid and gid need to be the actual #### not the  name of the user and group also
[08:27] <Ben64> [[thufir]]: just choose xfce when you're logging in
[08:27] <Dr_Willis> dan123:  its possible theres some timeout going on. You could mount the thing from /etc/rc.local after a bit of a delay. that lets the system networking get all setup
[08:28] <john_john> Dr_Willis: Okay so I found a used dvd-rw, how do I erase the content so i can install an iso on it instead?
[08:28] <dino> how do i manually unmount a usb
[08:29] <Dr_Willis> john_john:  the  cd/dvd burning front ends normally have a 'blank disk' option
[08:29] <dan123> Dr_Willis: I think I like that idea better, how can I add a delay there?
[08:29] <Dr_Willis> dino:  sudo umount /mountpoint/of/the/device
[08:29] <Dr_Willis> dan123:  of course. its just a script. somthing like sleep 30 && mount whatever
[08:29] <KI7MT> [[thufir]], is you simpley want GTK greeter v.s. unity then: sudo /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf and change too: greeter-session=lightdm-gtk-greeter
[08:30] <Dr_Willis> !mount | dino
[08:30] <[[thufir]]> Ben64: I cannot choose xfce4 because the mouse doesn't work properly.  either video card, driver or mouse problem.
[08:30] <KI7MT> [[thufir]], you can also add the default desktop on the .conf also.
[08:31] <student> how to mount usb
[08:31] <[[thufir]]> aha. ~/.conf?
[08:31] <KI7MT> /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[08:33] <[[thufir]]> heh, no that's I"m asking. what's "word" to use? xfce? xfce4? xubuntu?  a guy on askubuntu tried the them all.
[08:33] <component> kjhj
[08:33] <component> k.
[08:33] <component> l
[08:33] <[[thufir]]> and I htought I had mouse/keyboard problems!  ;)
[08:34] <karab44> what was this cute command to print output to pastebin?
[08:35] <bekks> karab44: pastebinit
[08:35] <xmetal> i a mnot sure why, but it has been awhile sinec i messed with rewritable stuff
[08:36] <xmetal> oops @ my fingers ... * i am not sure *
[08:36] <bekks> john_john: There is a menu entry in k3b to do so.
[08:36] <john_john> bekka: yes i saw that, thx
[08:37] <xmetal> k3b is one of those programs I make sure is on any distro i am on :)
[08:37] <karab44> ikonia: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6073946/
[08:37] <karab44>  
[08:38] <bekks> xmetal: I only need it when having a dvd burning device :)
[08:38] <karab44> ikonia: could you tell me please what do you see?
[08:39] <[[thufir]]> I'm using lynx and, pardon, cannot get the link for the 13.04 dvd (live) download.  what's the link for the torrent, please?  I can wget it.
[08:40] <KI7MT> [[thufir]], I dont have Xubuntu installed, but I believe should be: greeter-session=xubuntu
[08:40] <Dr_Willis> !torrents
[08:41] <reisio> [[thufir]]: what arch?
[08:41] <KI7MT> [[thufir]], ad you can verify what xsession are available by: ls /user/share/xsessions
[08:42] <reisio> links compatible: http://mirror.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/mirror/ubuntu.com/releases/13.04/
[08:42] <[[thufir]]> reisio: 32bit if that's what you mean
[08:42] <KI7MT> [[thufir]], sri, bad command: ls /usr/share/xsessions
[08:42] <reisio> [[thufir]]: see last
[08:42] <[[thufir]]> thanks guys.
[08:42] <Aku506> Ok. My xbindkeys isn't loading at all. I've tried default examples so my syntax should be OK. What's problem?
[08:42] <reisio> ffr: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+cdmirrors
[08:42] <reisio> Aku506: what's your environment?
[08:43] <Aku506> Unity
[08:43] <john_john> how do I eject my cd/dvd tray with the terminal? It refuses to open
[08:44] <bekks> john_john: Unmount it and then use "eject".
[08:44] <student> how to make proxy settings in ubuntu??
[08:44] <[[thufir]]> 13.04 i386 iso torrent is that for a live dvd?
[08:44] <reisio> john_john: is its medium's filesystem mounted?
[08:45] <reisio> [[thufir]]: IIRC DVD images are a waste of time to download
[08:45] <[[thufir]]> http://mirror.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/mirror/ubuntu.com/releases/13.04/ubuntu-13.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[08:45] <john_john> bekks:  there's nothing in the tray, so there's nothing to umount. It just refuses to open.
[08:45] <reisio> just get the ordinary desktop image
[08:45] <Dr_Willis> [[thufir]]:  the desktop edition is a live dvd
[08:45] <KI7MT> john_john, drutil tray eject 0
[08:45] <reisio> and why torrent when you can download over http
[08:45] <Dr_Willis> 13.04 ubuntu is a dvd. thats the only size it has
[08:45] <reisio> well there's a minimal image
[08:45] <reisio> the ordinary one just doesn't fit on a CD is all
[08:46] <dino> student,configure you apt.conf file in /etc/apt/
[08:46] <Dr_Willis> 13.04 lubuntu Might also fit on a cd still
[08:46] <[[thufir]]> thx
[08:46] <reisio> silly to think of them in sizes of antiquated media
[08:46] <john_john> KI7MT where do I enter that? It says it can't find the command drutil
[08:46] <KI7MT> commandline
[08:46] <reisio> that's not a Mac OS command? :p
[08:47] <john_john> KI7MT, the terminal? It can't find the command drutil it says. :(
[08:47] <reisio> john_john: eject or eject -T would be the command, but you might need to make sure nothing in it is mounted first
[08:47] <Aku506> reisio: I'm using Unity
[08:47] <john_john> reisio: the drive is empty
[08:48] <john_john> reisio: that command gives me: COuldn't find or open the device for: "cdrom"
[08:48] <reisio> john_john: maybe it's not well
[08:48] <reisio> john_john: if you can pull it open, go ahead
[08:48] <john_john> I can't
[08:48] <reisio> sometimes they get confused about whether they're opened or closed
[08:48] <john_john> without breaking it that is
[08:48] <reisio> so they try to open when they're opened, and close when they're closed
[08:48] <reisio> I bet you can :)
[08:49] <reisio> john_john: I had one that something like this worked on
[08:49] <reisio> john_john: eject; eject -T; eject
[08:49] <reisio> or something like that
[08:49] <reisio> some magical combination that made it wake up
[08:49] <bekks> john_john: Isnt there a tiny hole at the front of the drive? The emergency eject hole?
[08:49] <reisio> the emergency make the firmware work hole? :p
[08:50] <reisio> wouldn't that rely on the same people who made the broken firmware in the first place? :p
[08:50] <reisio> I could see a hole so you could easily pull it open
[08:50] <reisio> or just a finger/nail notch
[08:50] <bekks> reisio: No. Its a mechanical mechanism thats utilized when pushing a paperclip in.
[08:50] <bekks> reisio: Mechanics dont need firmware :P
[08:51] <reisio> really...
[08:51] <john_john> bekks: it's not a laptop, it has a button. But the button doesn't open it either.
[08:51] <reisio> I've never seen a cd tray with a redundant opening mechanism
[08:51] <reisio> but that sounds worthwhile
[08:51] <bekks> john_john: I am not talking about the button.
[08:51] <reisio> or would, if CDs weren't a dead medium
[08:51] <Ben64> every cd driver ever has a paperclip hole
[08:51] <Ben64> drive*
[08:51] <reisio> nah
[08:51] <bekks> Ben64: Which is not true.
[08:51] <Ben64> yes
[08:51] <reisio> nope
[08:51] <bekks> Ben64: No.
[08:51] <Ben64> 100% true
[08:51] <reisio> heh
[08:52] <bekks> Ben64: It isnt true. EOD.
[08:52] <Ben64> too late, i already said 100%
[08:52] <john_john> bekks: there does seem to be a really tiny hole.
[08:52] <bekks> No one cares.
[08:52] <KI7MT> Sri guys, drutils is pretty much BSD only, had my Mac Links open
[08:52]  * xmetal stays out of this 
[08:52] <reisio> heheh
[08:52] <xmetal> :P
[08:52] <Ben64> you seem to care
[08:52] <reisio> KI7MT: :)
[08:52] <bekks> Ben64: Nope. But you can tell it to my kill file.
[08:52] <reisio> Ben64: enough to type thirteen chars, anyways :p
[08:52] <bekks> john_john: Thats the tiny hole we are talking about.
[08:53] <Ben64> because every drive has one
[08:53] <reisio> Ben64: sure they have
[08:53] <reisio> I can confirm that, 'cause like you I've personally seen every drive :D
[08:53] <john_john> bekks: will a needle work?
[08:53] <bekks> john_john: Yes, or a paper clip.
[08:53] <Ben64> has to be pretty strong to press it
[08:54] <reisio> don't poke yourself
[08:54] <bekks> Ubuntu has no medical support ;)
[08:54] <ruien> Anyone here familiar with building a kernel from source? I'm trying to do some kernel dev but building using "debian/rules binary-generic" is *slow* -- it tries to rebuild from scratch every change, rather than just detecting modified files and building only the necessary pieces the way `make` does. It requires "debian/rules clean", and even "make deb-pkg" is slow. Question: anyone know how to install a kernel directly after the `make` phase?
[08:55] <Ben64> ruien: that really isn't within the scope of this channel
[08:55] <reisio> ruien: you just want new modules?
[08:55] <bekks> ruien: There is no such way - because thats not the "official" way.
[08:55] <karab44> ruien: try ask on #linux
[08:55] <ruien> no, i'm specifically modifying the kernel source, but i'm changing only one file (fs/namei.c) so it should be relatively quick. Definitely shouldn't need to rebuild everything on each run..
[08:56] <bekks> ruien: It should, since the build instructions tell the rocess to start over, because something changed.
[08:56] <ruien> well this is somewhat debian-specific, so i hesitate to ask in #linux
[08:56] <reisio> I don't see why not :)
[08:56] <xmetal> i just install the repo kernal upgrades in "debain type" distros
[08:56] <reisio> you can use -j# with make, though, might help
[08:56] <karab44> ruien: ask on #linux or #kernel
[08:56] <xmetal> i only modify them from source on other ( ot ) distros
[08:56]  * xmetal karab
[08:56] <xmetal> oops
[08:56]  * xmetal agrees with karab
[08:57] <karab44> -j paralels building processes, nothing more, it will not fix ruien's problem
[08:57] <reisio> his problem stems from the duration required, so sure, it'll help
[08:57] <ruien> yeah i'm using -j5, anyway "make -j5" is about 10x faster than" DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=parallel=5 fakeroot debian/rules binary-generic", and therein lies the problem.
[08:58] <ruien> i'll find a more appropriate channel to ask in
[08:58] <dino> is there any proxy settings for wget
[08:58] <karab44> reisio: he's using -j5 :)
[08:58] <KI7MT> Sounds Simple, but it not be: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile
[08:58] <reisio> dino: man knows
[08:58] <reisio> karab44: which proves my point, not yours :p
[08:58] <karab44> reisio: but it doesn't solve his problem...
[08:58] <dino> reisio: where do i do the proxy settings
[08:59] <reisio> karab44: it could / have :)
[08:59] <reisio> dino: I believe the man page says, do you not see it?
[08:59] <karab44> reisio: don't you understand he's asking for something else?
[09:00] <karab44> His problem is that he doesn't want to rebuild whole kernel and he should ask on #kernel or #linux
[09:00] <reisio> mmhmmm
[09:01] <reisio> which is because he doesn't want to wait
[09:01] <ruien> karab44: you are correct, and that is what i'll do :)
[09:01] <KI7MT> Standard re-builds on kernels are simple, but it's not so simple to install it the Debian . Ubuntu way, so Kernel, is not the right place, Ubuntu-Dev or Ubuntu-Kernel would be better choice.
[09:01] <karab44> ruien: I can't help you because I am tottaly diesel in this matter. Ask me in one month :)
[09:03] <karab44> I just installed 16GB of ram but I don't know is it enough for ubuntu. My wacom tablet is very laggy... :/
[09:03] <dan123> how can I monitor a folder for changes (mostly adding files) and move the changes to another folder? Is it possible with rsync?
[09:03] <marloshouse> dan123, just what rsync is for
[09:03] <Dr_Willis> !info fam
[09:04] <reisio> karab44: with screen or?
[09:04] <aantoon> Hi, I have installed cups and the drivers for my brother usb printer (as far as I can tell perfect) "lpinfo -v" shows "direct usb://Brother/DCP-165C?serial=BR*****" but it is still not printing. The printer seems to get no sinal from my laptop. how can i troubleshoot this?
[09:04] <dan123> marloshouse: can it do it in realtime?
[09:04] <xmetal> uh
[09:04] <marloshouse> dan123, rsync -ax --progress --size-only /source/folder /dest/folder
[09:04] <marloshouse> dan123, what is real-time?
[09:04] <reisio> dan123: with lsyncd yeah
[09:04] <xmetal> 16GB not enough ?
[09:04] <xmetal> lol
[09:04] <reisio> think he means on demand
[09:04] <karab44> reisio: no, it's a graphire wireless bluetooth tablet. ikonia asked me to check xorg.0.log but I don't know what to look for.
[09:05] <KI7MT> aantoon, a good place to start is: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingPrintingProblems
[09:05] <dan123> marloshouse: I mean I installed motion and have a webcam and I want to copy the files captured by motion to a server
[09:05] <dan123> so it would need to monitor the folder constantly for file changes
[09:05] <KI7MT> aantoon, Im not a printer guru, so best I can advise is the linky.
[09:05] <marloshouse> lsyncd then
[09:05] <reisio> karab44: what does it have for graphics?
[09:05] <aantoon> KI7MT: been there done that
[09:05] <makara> hi. How can I stop wpa_supplicant and NetworkManager? They keep restarting after I kill them.
[09:06] <marloshouse> or just put rsync on a timer
[09:06] <karab44> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6074031/
[09:06] <[[thufir]]> I put xfce into the lightdm.conf file, but it didn't go to xfce when I logged in, still goes to unity.  I want switch from unity to anything.  (having videocard/driver/mouse problems of some sort)
[09:06] <reisio> or a cron, yeah :)
[09:06] <karab44> reisio: I don't know, ikonia said so.
[09:06] <reisio> [[thufir]]: hit the little cog icon
[09:06] <marloshouse> dan123, you need to run an rsync command by hand, see how freakin fast it is
[09:06] <reisio> ikonia knows your graphics hardware?
[09:06] <missy> good evening
[09:06] <reisio> 'lo missy
[09:06] <karab44> oh, I pasted some logs
[09:07] <marloshouse> dan123, i have a 60gb drive i sync up in about 4 sec
[09:07] <karab44> reisio: missunderstood
[09:07] <Guest35973> I am curious about something with my linux
[09:07] <reisio> ah
[09:07] <reisio> Guest35973: takes a few weeks for the super powers to kick in
[09:07] <dan123> marloshouse: I need to have it automated so that I just plug and and forget about it... I need no manual command running
[09:07] <Dr_Willis> 'with great power comes great responsability'
[09:08] <marloshouse> dan123, do you know how to set up a cron job?
[09:08] <dan123> marloshouse: no
[09:08] <[[thufir]]> reisio: I can't hit the icon logo.  bad driver, or video card, or mouse or something.
[09:08] <karab44> I know nothing about these AIGLX GLX XGL's waylands Xorg's and Xfree86 and ikonia said problem is somewhere there... :/
[09:08] <ikonia> I said nothing of the sort
[09:08] <ikonia> I said you are experiencing visual lag
[09:08] <marloshouse> dan123, build an rsync command (like i showed you above) and then stick it in cron
[09:08] <coolmouse> where is ubuntu boot messages log ？
[09:09] <ikonia> the problem without any investigation will mostlikely be your xorg configuration
[09:09] <marloshouse> coolmouse, dmesg
[09:09] <reisio> karab44: I don't see any EE's in this paste, those are usually what matter
[09:09] <ikonia> I specifically said xfree86/wayland/etc is not something you should be looking at
[09:09] <ikonia> as your version of ubuntu only uses Xorg
[09:09] <reisio> karab44: besides you said it was sluggish, right? Not failing exactly?
[09:09] <karab44> EE?
[09:09] <karab44> erors?
[09:09] <ruien> karab44: have you tried using something like xubuntu to compare speeds? That information would help delineate the nature of the issue
[09:10] <ikonia> good god
[09:10] <ikonia> you don't need to install different things to "compare speed"
[09:10] <ikonia> work the problem through
[09:10] <karab44> wait a minute, it was working years ago. Even on Debian Etch after 2days of configuration but it finally started to work.
[09:10] <[[thufir]]> how can I remove unity?  I just want xubuntu, or anything else.
[09:10] <reisio> [[thufir]]: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexubuntu
[09:10] <reisio> [[thufir]]: or download the xubuntu image in the first place
[09:11] <karab44> I have i7, 16gigs of ram, don't anybody tells me it's performance issue
[09:11] <Dr_Willis> [[thufir]]:  given how many weird issues you have beenhaving... i have to wonder what sort of a sad state your system is in.
[09:11] <ikonia> karab44: I've already told you it's not
[09:11] <[[thufir]]> oh, yeah, psychocats, forgot about that guy.  thanks.
[09:11] <ikonia> karab44: is there a reason you are not listening to what I told you before
[09:11] <reisio> [[thufir]]: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/13.04/release/xubuntu-13.04-desktop-i386.iso
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[09:11] <[[thufir]]> lol, I think it's a hardware problem.
[09:11] <ikonia> 08:57 < ikonia> karab44: I suspect the problem is with your video card config, rather than your cpu/arch
[09:12] <ikonia> karab44: I told you that over an hour ago
[09:12] <Dr_Willis> [[thufir]]: test with a live cd. and try a clean install to see i guess. you have been fighting with what should be a trivial thing for several hours now.
[09:12] <karab44> ikonia: I try to look into this log and I see only NVIDIA everywhere but I don't know is this a kind of module you've mentioned
[09:12] <ikonia> karab44: right, so that's the information you should be giving people, not making up things that I said, when I didn't
[09:12] <karab44> maybe it's something else, if I knew linux architecture I wouldn't ask anybody for help
[09:13] <ikonia> why do you think it's something else
[09:13] <ikonia> karab44: I've told you the likely problem - you've not disproved it
[09:13] <dan123> marloshouse: running a cronjob is probably not what I want as I need this to be almost instantaneous when it detects a change. I dont want it to wait as time is critical for alarm systems. The camera can sit for hours without having any changes registered (generating new files). So I was looking for something light to monitor for changes and then copy without delaying more than a few secs
[09:13] <[[thufir]]> I don't what I'm going to do when it's time to burn an image from the CLI.  it'll be interesting, let's say.
[09:13] <ikonia> yet you're saying it's something else
[09:13] <marloshouse> dan123, look at lsyncd then
[09:13] <marloshouse> see if that fits your needs
[09:14] <karab44> ikonia: seems we are missunderstanding each other
[09:14] <dan123> ok
[09:14] <Dr_Willis> [[thufir]]:  i tend to just put the iso files on flash drives these days
[09:14] <karab44> I just said I don't clearly see what's in xorg.0.log. That's what I meant
[09:15] <ruien> i'd be inclined to think ikonia's on the right track, but i'm unsure how to actually go about debugging that directly, which is why i suggested comparing another WM. If there's a better way, great
[09:15] <[[thufir]]> my flash drive is <2GB
[09:15] <[[thufir]]> or, hmm, maybe that's enough.
[09:15] <Dr_Willis> [[thufir]]:  i think any of the ubuntu iso disrtos will fit on a 1gb flash
[09:16] <Dr_Willis> but really i have seen 8gb flash drives in the $5 range all over the place.. time to skip tomorrows big-mac and fries.. and grab one. ;)
[09:16] <karab44> ikonia: And problem is afaik not only visual, because if I grab a window and move it is moved also with lag.
[09:16] <reisio> [[thufir]]: right, they aren't "DVD" images, they just tend to no longer fit on a 700MB CD is all
[09:17] <ikonia> karab44: that is visual
[09:17] <UbuntuUser> I've just installed updates for my Ubuntu 13.04 machine. It was running fine beforehand, but now when I login I get a black screen
[09:17] <karab44> oh ok
[09:17] <ikonia> karab44: moving a window is visual
[09:17] <[[thufir]]> Dr_Willis: downloading (slowly) over wifi.   13.04 desktop.
[09:17] <KI7MT> They all fit on CD, =< 750MB , else there is a waring about oversize ISO image.
[09:17] <UbuntuUser> and half a dozen errors occur
[09:17] <karab44> That's good, because I tought it could be that only pointer is laggy, but actions are on time. Now it's clear
[09:18] <KI7MT> [[thufir]], also, unless you need somethign specific, in 13.04 . 13.10 on xub .. probably best to stick with 12.04.3
[09:18] <john_john> woo, solved the tray problem. But now my computer refuses to boot from the dvd
[09:18]  * [[thufir]] chillaxes a bit.  but, is there a way to test a video card? or test a mouse, see what clicks show up a in a log?
[09:18] <Dr_Willis> the new ubuntu releases  COME on a dvd required iso file size.
[09:18] <Dr_Willis> lubuntu i think still fits on a cd
[09:18] <reisio> KI7MT: no, they used to all
[09:18] <john_john> I pressed f12 and selected cdrom, then it says boot from cdrom and it just stays there and nothing happens.
[09:18] <UbuntuUser> How can I revert the latest updates I've installed, via Terminal?
[09:19] <KI7MT> Hmmm.. I've never used a DVD UB image, so pass on the DVD bit, I take that back, used it on Edubuntu once.
[09:20] <reisio> well, again, it's not a dvd image :)
[09:21] <reisio> and arguably even things that are meant for dvds aren't only usable on dvds
[09:21] <KI7MT> You can see them oversize CD's on cdimage: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20130907/
[09:21] <reisio> the classic "dvd image" took up about 4 gigs, which meant you wasted time downloading at least 3 :p
[09:21] <karab44> ok I'm stuck, this logfile doesn't speak to me in any language.
[09:22] <karab44> I'll go search the net.
[09:22] <[[thufir]]> good grief.  ok, $5 problem. xinput shows clicks for left mouse button don't work.  lol, well, live and learn.
[09:23] <[[thufir]]> but, that doesn't explain why I kept getting messages about "low quality resolution" or something when booting...unless video card went wonky at the *exact* same time as the mouse failed?
[09:24] <KI7MT> [[thufir]], so you say'en you VID is fixed now?
[09:26] <[[thufir]]> KI7MT: see, I'm not sure, because the mouse is weird.  it *seems* ok, but earlier it was saying "low quality", so I can't imagine why it would say that unless:  1.) serious system problem 2.) video card failure.  ?
[09:26] <karab44> Day lost on making things that should work, work.
[09:26] <[[thufir]]> I mean, earlier, I couldn't even boot into a GUI.  that has nothing to do with the mouse(?).
[09:28] <xtre_> how can i have customize my boot screen ? so that i get different design of ubuntu on boot up ?
[09:29] <KI7MT> [[thufir]], I don't see how the mouse and effects video, onther than maybe the xconf file, .. but maybe a combination of reloading LightDM, and other thing fixed it. Wish I knew what it was though.
[09:30] <KI7MT> xtre_, customize Grub2: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1542338
[09:30] <[[thufir]]> KI7MT: yeah, well, when I get a new mouse, I'll find out :)
[09:31] <xtre_> KI7MT, thank you :)
[09:32] <Dr_Willis> there is some  use the numpad-as-a-mouse option i recall
[09:32] <karab44> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6074115/ anybody explain to me what graphic module do I use? Because I see both.
[09:33] <Dr_Willis> if the video drivers or X gets onfused - the system can say its in 'low graphics mode'
[09:35] <Dr_Willis> hmmm
[09:35] <KI7MT> If you installed the Nvidia restricted driver, the NV is the one you use, else nouveau.
[09:37] <lamby> hello guys
[09:38] <lamby> Can somebody help me install tor on ubuntu 13.04 64bit?
[09:39] <bwayne> lamby: i think the recommended way to use tor right now is to use the tor browser.
[09:39] <nightdrever> W: Failed to fetch http://archive.getdeb.net/ubuntu/dists/precise-getdeb/games/i18n/Translation-en  Unable to connect to archive.getdeb.net:http: [IP: 141.101.116.236 80]
[09:39] <nightdrever>  ????
[09:40] <karab44> lamby: why just don't install Tails on your USB drive or second partition?
[09:41] <lamby> hmm this is first time i hear something about Tails but for now i want to use Tor
[09:41] <lamby> i got error message in a console
[09:41] <lamby> for ownership and dont know howto to fix it
[09:41] <karab44> lamby: It is a system based on debian but it's generally for Tor users.
[09:42] <karab44> lamby: it is recommended to use tails when using Tor.
[09:42] <bwayne> lamby: https://www.torproject.org/download/download-easy.html.en#linux
[09:42] <lamby> bwayne i got it from this link
[09:42] <lamby> but
[09:42] <lamby> no idea howto install from archive
[09:43] <lamby> im new
[09:43] <lamby> to linux
[09:43] <lamby> :D
[09:43] <FloodBot1> lamby: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[09:43] <karab44> yes, now we see you're new ;)
[09:43] <karab44> try this instead of tor https://tails.boum.org/
[09:44] <bwayne> tar -xzfv tor-browser-gnu....
[09:44] <bwayne> tar -xzvf, sorry
[09:44] <lamby> thx
[09:44] <lamby> all
[09:44] <lamby> :)
[09:45] <karab44> lamby: tails is already much more secured and configured for tor networking. It has disabled cookies and stuff by default. And it simply - works
[09:46] <bwayne> lamby: be sure that javascript is disabled. install noscript if it's not in there. last i checked, it was.
[09:46] <karab44> yes, this is quite important thing.
[09:46] <bwayne> but i read they had (stupidly) enabled JS now.
[09:46] <lamby> i feel this is gonna be hard :D
[09:47] <karab44> lamby: as much hard as pressing the button could be.
[09:47] <bwayne> lamby: using a dedicated system as karab44 is suggesting is probably the safest. simply using the tor browser is probably the easiest
[09:47] <KI7MT> karab44, here's how you can tell about the Nvidia driver, just tested on my system:  sudo lshw -c video |grep "configuration:" |awk '{print $2}
[09:48] <karab44> wow KI7MT impressive
[09:48] <KI7MT> results:+= driver=nvidia
[09:48] <lamby> usr/bin data is not owner by this user TOR
[09:48] <lamby> error mssg
[09:48] <karab44> so what information contains xorg.0.log I pasted? Is this not sufficient?
[09:49] <KI7MT> LOL no idea, you wanted to know which module was the driver :-)
[09:51] <karab44> KI7MT: it just levitates and nothing... no print, just weird prompt ">" and nothing, ziltch, NULL
[09:52] <KI7MT> Make sure you have the final ' on the end looks like that is missing:
[09:53] <karab44> hahaha that explains a lot
[09:53] <KI7MT> sudo lshw -c video |grep "configuration:" |awk '{print $2}'
[09:53] <karab44> my computer shily whispered... driver=nvidia
[09:54] <KI7MT> Indeed :-)
[09:54] <karab44> So is that it? Does it mean I can not fix my wacom lag?
[09:55] <nightdrever> can someone please help me with sources list
[09:55] <karab44> I guess I need octa core processor and SLI 680gxt hardware to handle it.
[09:55] <karab44> but it was working flawless on ubuntu 6. 5 years ago.
[09:56] <KI7MT> I pass on Wacom requirments
[09:56] <nightdrever> could someone give me their working sources list ubuntu 12.04
[09:57] <karab44> KI7MT: could you tell me what exactly happens on my xorg.0.log?
[09:57] <karab44> I see some things loading, unloading. Is something wrong there?
[09:57] <karab44> what happens if I remove nvoeuea drivers from the system?
[09:57] <karab44> now I know I am using nvidia
[09:57] <KI7MT> nightdrever, source list you mean initial manifest, or current --get-selections ?
[09:58] <nightdrever> iive messed around with it
[09:58] <nightdrever> and i want it back to normal
[09:58] <KI7MT> karab44, no, I dont really understand that log .. too much fluff in it.
[09:58] <karab44> D:
[09:59] <KI7MT> nightdrever, what do you bean normal, back to original install config?
[09:59] <nightdrever> well i was trying to update it
[09:59] <nightdrever> but i followed something online and now i get errors
[09:59] <nightdrever> ive done something wrong
[09:59] <nightdrever> i want a working one
[09:59] <KI7MT> what's the errors, and what were you updating?
[10:00] <nightdrever> i just want to restore to default
[10:01] <KI7MT> Well, anyone that gives you there current manifest /  dpkg --get-selections is going to have mods to the original, so to get the original, reinstall it. There's a way to do it, but it's long and drawn out without a check-point backup.
[10:04] <KI7MT> Case in point, do the following: count=$(dpkg --get-selections | wc -l) && echo "$count"  .. and tell me what it says
[10:04] <bwayne> why not use this Ubuntu Sources List Generator http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/ ?
[10:05] <nightdrever> 100% [Connecting to archive.getdeb.net (216.201.78.13)]
[10:05] <nightdrever> stuck there
[10:05] <KI7MT> That still does not give him his original maifest, for his specific install.
[10:06] <nightdrever> W: Failed to fetch http://archive.getdeb.net/ubuntu/dists/precise-getdeb/games/i18n/Translation-en  Unable to connect to archive.getdeb.net:http: [IP: 141.101.117.236 80]
[10:07] <KI7MT> Ok, that's odd, that should have given a local package count.
[10:07] <KI7MT> aka like mine, 1862
[10:08] <bwayne> The default sources.list isn't very complicated, KI7MT.
[10:08] <bwayne> main, security, updates ...
[10:08] <KI7MT> I agree, very simple.
[10:09] <bwayne> The issue is with the software that's installed through all those other repos. No more updates.
[10:10] <KI7MT> Going backwards, to a specific build point, without a restore point, is not so simple.
[10:10] <bwayne> nightdrever: try just commenting out archive.getdeb.net from /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:11] <bwayne> KI7MT: you mean like making an image?
[10:11] <KI7MT> He wants a restoration without a backup, or restore point.
[10:12] <Otaku__> I connected my Computer directly to my NAS, cuz my router doen't support Gigabit, how can i access it?
[10:12] <Otaku__> the static IP defined on the NAS and the Name are not working
[10:12] <Otaku__> also if i try to access only smb:// via pcmanfm I get: "Failed to retrieve share list from server"
[10:12] <bwayne> It sounded like he just wanted the default sources back.
[10:12] <john_john> okay so my screen settings refuses to open. The program opens in the system tray but I can't see it elsewhere nor use it. WHat do I run in the terminal to open it and see what's wrong?
[10:12] <KI7MT> He's messed something up aand want to go back int time to goodness :-) and asked for a manifest .. wont really help actually.
[10:13] <varun> which utility in ubuntu is capable of converting pdf to doc while preserving data format
[10:13] <KI7MT> Maybe bwayne, what don we just ask him :-) ...
[10:13] <bwayne> well, if it were me, my first step would be to simplyl comment out archive.getdeb.net and see what happens. they may be down right now.
[10:14] <KI7MT> dockbook, Asciidoc LaTeX etc
[10:14] <KI7MT> bwayne, yep,. that sight is timing out here too.
[10:15] <varun> which is best while preserving the format
[10:15] <varun> that pdf have
[10:15] <KI7MT> I no expert, but I've  been told DocBook is the PDF app of choice.
[10:16] <KI7MT> Im sure the TeX guys would have something to say about that thought. The Ubuntu Manual is done in TeX I believe.
[10:16] <dbugger> Hello guys. Im running virtualbox on ubuntu, to use W7, but i have no internet connection. Can someone help me fix it?
[10:17] <varun> thnx KI7MT
[10:17] <MonkeyDust> dbugger  set the network type to bridged, instead if NAT
[10:17] <MonkeyDust> instead of*
[10:17] <KI7MT> Where don't you have Inet, the Host or VM
[10:18] <KI7MT> All my ServerVVM's are Bridged to the switch, and assigned IP's from there.
[10:18] <KI7MT> Server VM's
[10:18] <dbugger> MonkeyDust, I have 2 Network adapters. One set to NAT and another to Bridged
[10:19] <dbugger> Should I have only one?
[10:19] <KI7MT> 1x unless you are running a DHCP server off the second NIC or you gang-parallel the two NICS
[10:19] <dbugger> And to which should I bridge it? eth0 or wlan0? Im getting my internet in the host through Wlan
[10:20] <MonkeyDust> dbugger  explore it a bit, see what does what
[10:21] <dbugger> Well, I changed to one adapter only. I configured it to Bridge wlan 0 and didnt work. im going to try eth0
[10:22] <KI7MT> You need eth0, Bridged to the Host. Disable Wlan0 on VM. then all traffic is is through the Host Gateway.
[10:22] <UbuntuUser> How can I move a dir from my local HDD to an SMB share, via terminal?
[10:23] <dbugger> I just tried it that way, bridged to eth0, and the netword still doesnt connect
[10:23] <TNTS> Hi I need help. When I try to install BleachBit, I get a Available from "universe" source then when I press Use this Source nothing happens. Downloading it directly results in Dependency is not satisfiable: menu
[10:24] <raven> how to disable autologin by cmd line? (xubuntu 13.04)
[10:24] <KI7MT> Or, you could run eth0 as NAT, and get an internal IP address, 10.1.10.xx or whatever, but you'd have to port-forward / iptable the Host to tunnel into the VM, which is a pain.
[10:24] <feisar> is someone able to tell me why this rule causes UFW to block ssh access from 192.168.0.100? ufw allow proto tcp from 192.168.0.100 port 22
[10:25] <mrdeb> hi
[10:25] <mrdeb> why does kernel sometimes access hard drive for no reason
[10:25] <mrdeb> is this info
[10:26] <uronu> apt-cacher problem err connection failed
 I connected my Computer directly to my NAS, cuz my router doen't support Gigabit, how can i access it?
 the static IP defined on the NAS and the Name are not working
 also if i try to access only smb:// via pcmanfm I get: "Failed to retrieve share list from server"
[10:27] <uronu> apt-cacher problem err connection failed. I can't install ldap-utils libpam-ldap libnss-ldap nscd but i can install other tools.
[10:27] <dbugger> Mmmm, so I guess there is no solution :(
[10:28] <KI7MT> If the NIC is enabled. configured to Bridged, selected by device type, it should work.
[10:29] <MrWin98_> Anyone around?
[10:29] <Dr_Willis> 1600+ people in here.
[10:29] <MrWin98_> I have Uberstudent installed and I cannot figure out the password I used.
[10:30] <MrWin98_> I went into recovery - root but the SOB still asks for password
[10:30] <KI7MT> + 3 OPS :-) but they are peoples too :-)
[10:30] <ubuntunoob> Hi there, I have tried to install ubuntu desktop a number of times using cd-roms and bootable usb disks (I have tried version 10 and 11 off the website and both 64 and 32 bit). The most progress I have made is the purple screen which says ubuntu with 5 dots and it freezes at this point. The computer I am trying to install on has an AMD64 3600+ processor. Could this be a compatibility issue?
[10:30] <Dr_Willis> No idea what uberstudent is.. if you mean your ubuntu users password. you can reset  the users password via the recovery console.
[10:30] <MrWin98_> Is there another way to reset the damn password?
[10:30] <MrWin98_> NoI CANNOT
[10:30] <Dr_Willis> ubuntunoob:  a video card/chipset/driver issue.
[10:30] <MrWin98_> Still asks for password
[10:31] <Dr_Willis> !nomodeset | ubuntunoob
[10:31] <MrWin98_> Yeah it is a distro based on Ubuntu
[10:31] <Dr_Willis> MrWin98_:  you are refering to the Ubuntu Users LOGIN password? or what exactly.
[10:31] <MrWin98_> Login passowrd
[10:31] <MrWin98_> I had put the PC away for a while and I got it back out and I just cannot remember what I used to login (password)
[10:31] <Dr_Willis> MrWin98_:  recvovery console. remount / to be writeable. 'sudo passwd theuseraname' and enter a new password  is how ive seen it done hundereds of times
[10:32] <Dr_Willis> !resetpassword
[10:32] <Dr_Willis> !password
[10:32] <Dr_Willis> or you can edit the /etc/passwd file and give the user an empty password  then let the user change it.
[10:32] <MrWin98_> I load up and say recovery, then I choose root, but the damn thing asks for a password or predd D to continue
[10:33] <Dr_Willis> you mean its asking for a ROOT user password?
[10:33] <MrWin98_> I guess
[10:33] <Dr_Willis> MrWin98_:  you need to determine.. not guess.
[10:33] <MrWin98_> All I know is it keeps askin for password and I forgot the damn password
[10:33] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu dosent use a root user password. and the ubuntu recovery definatly does not ask for one
[10:33] <MrWin98_> It does here
[10:33] <Dr_Willis> you can use a live cd, and chroot into the installed system also and try resetting it
[10:33] <MrWin98_> Don't ask me why
[10:34] <Dr_Willis> MrWin98_:  UBUNTU by default does not. so you have done somting to change it.
[10:34] <MrWin98_> I am in another Linux how do I reset from here?
[10:34] <Dr_Willis> chroot in, use the passwd command
[10:34] <TNTS> Nevermind, the problem seemed to have fixed itself
[10:34] <john_john> how do I bring up display settings through the terminal?
[10:35] <ubuntunoob> ubottu: Thanks, will give it a shot
[10:36] <ubuntunoob> mindblown
[10:36] <pyalot> so, the last updated trashed my install, I guess I shouldn't have ran the manual nvidia installer, or something.
[10:36] <pyalot> unity shell didn't start anymore
[10:36] <pyalot> didn't get into recovery graphics mode, mouse/keyboard just froze
[10:36] <pyalot> aaaand I did another reinstall
[10:37] <Dr_Willis> you could have just tried reinstalling the nvidia drivers
[10:37] <pyalot> I've got an SSD, it's faster than trying to figure out how to fix stuff
[10:37] <pyalot> yeah I could've
[10:37] <pyalot> but then I'd have to mount the hd writable, go mess with grub settings so I can drop into a root shell and reinstall the drivers
[10:37] <pyalot> would've taken longer than reinstall
[10:37] <pyalot> anyhow
[10:38] <pyalot> made a few notes this time on install
[10:38] <pyalot> https://gist.github.com/pyalot/6474434
[10:38] <pyalot> so thing is, I've been using ubuntu for... a while (since 6.04 or so I think)
[10:38] <pyalot> and it's never been smooth
[10:38] <pyalot> and it's *still* not smooth
[10:38] <pyalot> do you honestly expect "normal" users to be able to cope with that?
[10:38] <Dr_Willis> I find ubuntu very smooth here. even on my netbook
[10:39] <pyalot> Dr_Willis: see what I just wrote and the gist https://gist.github.com/pyalot/6474434
[10:39] <Dr_Willis> pyalot:  i lost intrest after about the 4th line to be honest with you.
[10:39] <pyalot> Dr_Willis: that's more or less my experience for every install, with minor variations, across any machine I install it on
[10:39] <dr0p> hello, i've just installed owncloud from repo and uploaded some files. Where can I find those files? I can't find any clue...
[10:39] <pyalot> Dr_Willis: exactly
[10:39] <jimmythee> hey, after trying to install nvidia driers i have no more unity and no more xorg.conf. How do I download a new xorg.conf? I think that might solve the problem
[10:40] <pyalot> jimmyff: https://gist.github.com/pyalot/6474434
[10:40] <Dr_Willis> jimmythee:  you dont need an xorg.conf - the nvidia drivers and X can auto configure if there is none.
[10:40] <pyalot> jimmyff: the nvidia drivers are broken since last update
[10:40] <Dr_Willis> jimmythee:  then you can remake one with the nvidia-settings tool.
[10:40] <pyalot> jimmyff: the standard drivers don't work
[10:40] <pyalot> jimmyff: the 304 driver crashes your machine
[10:41] <UbuntuUser> I've connected to a Windows server via smbclient...how can I copy a directory from my local HDD to the remote directory?
[10:41] <pyalot> jimmyff: the nvidia latest from their site will nuke your machine on next update
[10:41] <KI7MT> Iv'e tried downloading Drivers and PPA, and they fail, allot. I run 2x and Quad Card NV Boxes, I've rarely used anything other than the restricted DVR's from UB
[10:41] <pyalot> jimmyff: 310 from x-swat might work
[10:41] <jimmythee> Dr_Willis now I am purging all related to nvidia...because making an xorg.conf with nvidia bugs my computer. I just want to have a pure xorg.conf
[10:42] <KI7MT> This box im on now, NV Motherboard, NV Graphics, never one issue with either.
[10:42] <Dr_Willis> jimmythee:  'pure xorg.conf' is rather meaningless.  My nvidia system by default here has NO xorg.conf file at all.
[10:42] <bwayne> Dr_Willis: man ... i remember you from wayback. Just how long have you been around?
[10:42] <Dr_Willis> The only time i need an xorg.conf for my nvidia systems these days - is when i enable twinview. then its just like a 6 line Xorg.conf file
[10:42] <Dr_Willis> bwayne:  ages. ;)
[10:43] <bwayne> Dr_Willis: I remember getting help from you, like, back in 2007 or something. Way to stick with it!
[10:43] <jimmythee> Dr_Willis my nvidia is not working, i don't want to have anything to do with it now. All I need is the xorg.conf that you start with when you install 13.04. Or else, tell me how to get unity back
[10:43] <Dr_Willis> jimmythee:  and for the 3rd time. by default there IS no xorg.conf
[10:44] <Dr_Willis> so if you rename your existing xorg.conf file to xorg.conf.oldfile    you would be back to the  one a normal install starts with
[10:44] <jimmythee> Dr_WIllis, but i'm stupid and instead of renaming I deleted it...And for some reason it's not in the trash
[10:44] <Dr_Willis> if you remove all the nvidia packages and drivers, then your system should automatically use the open sourced drivers
[10:45] <jimmythee> Dr_Willis, have you got any solution for the unity problem?
[10:45] <Dr_Willis> jimmythee:  it dosent matter.. you can delete it. or just rename it..  by default Xorg should auto configure.
[10:45] <KI7MT> It's in trash, just not the user's trash.
[10:45] <Dr_Willis> jimmythee:  with out 3d driversd working - you really wont be using compiz or unity.
[10:46] <jimmythee> well i've rebooted 5 times and still no xorg.conf in etc/X11. what do you mean KI7MT?
[10:46] <Dr_Willis> jimmythee:  it dosent MAKE an xorg.conf.  X auto configures as needed.
[10:46] <jimmythee> Dr_Willis, by 3D you mean nvidia? I wasn't using it before and my unity still worked
[10:47] <Dr_Willis> jimmythee:  then you were using the default open sourced nvidia drivers.
[10:47] <jimmythee> Dr_Willis I think I was actually just using the intel ones...
[10:47] <Dr_Willis> if you have an xorg.conf that still was for the Proparaty Nvidia drivers. then THAT wont work.
[10:47] <Dr_Willis> intel? thats not nvidia.. or are you FINALLY just now -  telling us you have an Optimus Dual GPU system?
[10:48] <jimmythee> Dr_Willis yes
[10:49] <Dr_Willis> good luck then. I dont deal with Optimus
[10:49] <Dr_Willis> you will want to use Bumblebee i belive to get it working properly
[10:49] <jimmythee> does bumblebee also affect graphics performance?
[10:49] <Dr_Willis> http://askubuntu.com/search?tab=votes&q=bumblebee
[10:50] <Dr_Willis> given its the graphics driver stuff... yes
[10:50] <jimmythee> i read somewhere it was mostly for battery performance
[10:50] <Dr_Willis> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bumblebee
[10:50] <Dr_Willis> Bumblebee aims to provide support for NVIDIA Optimus laptops for GNU/Linux distributions. Using Bumblebee, you can use your NVIDIA card for rendering graphics which will be displayed using the Intel card.
[10:51] <Dr_Willis> Power Management
[10:51] <Dr_Willis> A primary goal of this project is to not only enable use of the discrete GPU for rendering, but also to enable smart power management of the dGPU when it's not in use. We're using either bbswitch (a module) or vga_switcheroo (kernel module, experimental) to do this in Bumblebee.
[10:54] <nobodies> any reason after having added a repository i still wouldnt be able to apt-get the packages in it?
[10:55] <Dr_Willis> nobodies:  you frogot to do an 'sudo apt-get update' first ?
[10:55] <nobodies> Dr_Willis nope done an update
[10:56] <KI7MT> package is not actually in the repo you enables, mina uni, milti-uni ?
[10:57] <KI7MT> main .. uni, milti-uni .. ...
[10:58] <nobodies> well i added "ppa:fingerprint/fingerprint-gui" and i'm trying to apt-get "fingerprint-gui"
[10:59] <nobodies> it dosnt come up in aptitude search either
[11:01] <Dr_Willis> are you sure thats the right package name?
[11:02] <Dr_Willis> synaptic can show what packages are in what repos
[11:02] <KI7MT> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:fingerprint/fprint worked for me
[11:02] <szymon> jj
[11:02] <jimmythee> ok let's try this again: I lost my unity after messing with nvidia drivers, trying to install them when I was using my default intel drivers. Now I just purged everything nvidia I have, but I still don't have unity. Any ideas?
[11:02] <szymon> yolo
[11:03] <KI7MT> FOllowed Inst. from here: https://launchpad.net/~fingerprint/+archive/fprint
[11:05] <abramo> can someone help me?
[11:05] <Dr_Willis> !ask
[11:06] <nobodies> KI7MT, thanks, the other one must have been an old repo or something
[11:06] <abramo> i have the last xubuntu, and i'd like to install libreoffice
[11:06] <abramo> how?
[11:07] <Dr_Willis> use the libreoffice ppa if you really MUST have the latest versions
[11:07] <Dr_Willis> !ppa
[11:08] <abramo> thanks :)
[11:09] <cfhowlett> abramo, you can also avoid all the ppa mess by downloading the .debs for libre office and installing with sudo dpkg -i foo.deb
[11:11] <KI7MT> That works, but caused update issues down the line. By manually installing .deb's, your committed to updating that way also. besy way in through Xubuntu / Package  Manager
[11:11] <cfhowlett> KI7MT, true ...
[11:15] <Guest31296> Hi I'm running Ubuntu 13.04 and I have a mildly annoying issue
[11:16] <cfhowlett> Guest31296, details ?
[11:16] <Guest31296> when I'm running firefox in fullscreen (F11) the windows key does not show the unity HUD
[11:16] <Guest31296> to replicate start firefox, press F11 and then the windows key
[11:17] <Guest31296> the same thing happens when running totem in fullscreen.
[11:18] <Dr_Willis> sounds like a design feature to me
[11:18] <Guest31296> yeah I see why it's designed like that
[11:19] <Guest31296> previously I've been using fluxbox and there it was possible to remove the window decorations
[11:19] <KI7MT> Guest31296, it's not just 13.04, same on 12.04, and not whit just FF, Gedit, Chrome etc. all do same, gotta come out of Full Screen to get Super Key Back.
[11:20] <KI7MT> I don't know if this is by design, or an oversight, but it's consistent.
[11:21] <Guest31296> what is the overlay that appears when pressing the windows key called?
[11:21] <Guest31296> and what is the windows key called in a more "unixy" way? is it super key?
[11:21] <reisio> Guest31296: super, yes, or meta
[11:22] <reisio> Guest31296: compiz has several fancy task switcher alternatives
[11:22] <Dr_Willis> the DASH is on the windows key. the HUD is on the alt key
[11:22] <Guest31296> Dr_Willis, thanks
[11:22] <Dr_Willis> press and hold the windows key = shows  unity key shortcuts
[11:23] <KI7MT> Took me a while to get used to it, but I like it more every day.
[11:23] <Guest31296> ah why didn't I think of that
[11:23] <Guest31296> KI7MT, I love it
[11:24] <KI7MT> Fer us old guys, it's rememebring the "app name" is the problem :-)... gnome-panel spelled them out for us :-)
[11:25] <Guest31296> KI7MT, mm that is annoying
[11:26] <Guest31296> KI7MT, always a problem when you want to run something from the terminal
[11:26] <Guest31296> anyone know of a program that can give you the name of the process owning a window in X11, like xkill or xwininfo
[11:27] <KI7MT> That's where I spend most days, bash scripts, Dialog and Whiptail menus :-)
[11:28] <KI7MT> Guest 31296 - May have a crack at this one: http://wajig.togaware.com/
[11:29] <Guest31296> KI7MT, which is somewhat related to my fullscreen super key issue since I like running terminal in fullscreen
[11:30] <ness> would it work if i mounted a iso file on an install and reinstalled ubuntu that way?
[11:30] <KI7MT> debian-bennies is another one to look at.
[11:30] <john_john> Hey, when I try to add a new PPA, I get an error that says "Cannot add PPA: 'No JSON object could be decoded'"
[11:30] <john_john> I'm trying to install spotify
[11:31] <KI7MT> debian-goodies, not bennies
[11:31] <jrib> john_john: you should say exactly how you are trynig
[11:31] <jimbopea> Guest31296, I like running terminal in full screen and to avoid these issues i use Guake
[11:31] <john_john> jrib: sudo add-apt-repository "deb http://repository.spotify.com stable non-free"
[11:31] <KI7MT> Guake is awsome ...
[11:31] <john_john> I have added the key so that's not the problem
[11:31] <jrib> john_john: what ubuntu version?
[11:32] <john_john> jrib: 13.04
[11:32] <jrib> john_john: this isn't a ppa by the way
[11:32] <john_john> jrib: it gives me the same error when I try to add a ppa
[11:32] <jrib> john_john: before we move on to troubleshoot,  are you sure the repository is meant for use on ubuntu 13.04?
[11:33] <john_john> jrib: it is supposed to work on ubuntu 13.04, or at least the guide I used was for ubuntu 13.04
[11:33] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:33] <jrib> john_john: what guide?  Also, is the line you pasted the entire output?
[11:34] <reisio> mornin'
[11:34] <john_john> jrib: http://linuxg.net/how-to-install-spotify-on-ubuntu-13-04/
[11:34] <john_john> yup
[11:35] <KI7MT> here's another one: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/01/how-to-install-spotify-in-ubuntu-12-04-12-10
[11:35] <raven> how to disable autologin by cmd line? (xubuntu 13.04)
[11:35] <john_john> KI7MT: yup and when I try to add the apt in the package manager I get the exact same JSON error
[11:36] <jrib> john_john: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list; also pastebin your full input and output when you enter the command (I know you said there isn't more but humor me)
[11:37] <ikrevedko> hi, I need help!
[11:37] <jimbopea> ikrevedko, with?
[11:37] <cfhowlett> !details|ikrevedko,
[11:37] <ness> just do spotify in the commandliine
[11:37] <ikrevedko> xubuntu
[11:37] <ikrevedko> please wait 2 minutes
[11:37] <john_john> jrib: here's the input and output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6074489/
[11:38] <ness> the easiest way to add the repository is to go into software settings
[11:38] <KI7MT> raven, edit:  /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf  change : autologin-user=<user-name->
[11:38] <jrib> raven: are you using lightdm?
[11:39] <ikrevedko> I cant show video in chrome
[11:39] <john_john> jrib: here's my huge source list http://paste.ubuntu.com/6074492/
[11:39] <KI7MT> john_john, I dont know what's up with this, getting errors here too.
[11:39] <jrib> john_john: for what it's worth, your exact command works here.  Are you typing out this command or copying and pasting from somewhere?
[11:39] <john_john> jrib: tried both
[11:40] <jrib> john_john: how about the output of « more /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list | cat  »
[11:40] <raven> jrib, KI7MT just a moment
[11:40] <Guest31296> hm found a solution I opened unity plugin settings in compizconfig and activated autohide for the launcher
[11:41] <ikrevedko> I can not watch videos and listen to music in your browser, although the flash player installed
[11:41] <tuocuggino> hi, how i can set the mouse velocity on xorg.conf?
[11:41] <john_john> KI7MT I had the error before but there was a command that fixed it. I can't find what command that was now though.
[11:41] <ikrevedko> in my*
[11:41] <jimbopea> ikrevedko, you have the flash plugin installed?
[11:42] <ikrevedko> o yes
[11:42] <jrib> john_john: this is probably because you have an empty sources.list which is very strange
[11:42] <john_john> :(
[11:42] <Guest31296> KI7MT, what is whiptail b.t.w. ?
[11:42] <raven> jrib, KI7MT lightdm.conf does not contain any autologin command. problem is: i changed settings to "do not ask for password at login" and now i cannot login at all any more
[11:43] <ikrevedko> I do not understand what's wrong ((
[11:43] <jrib> raven: are you using lightdm?
[11:43] <KI7MT> ncurses GUI for terminal  .. man whiptail / man dialog  .. open a terminal and type tasksel .. that's dialog I think.
[11:43] <jimbopea> ikrevedko, have you gone to chrome://plugins/ and checked if it is enabled?
[11:43] <raven> jrib, i am not sure i think so because there is no gdm or lxdm
[11:44] <jrib> raven: ps -ef | grep lightdm
[11:44] <raven> jrib, ok its lightdm
[11:45] <jrib> raven: then /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf should be the right place
[11:45] <raven> jrib, should i add this autologin conf?
[11:46] <KI7MT> he can alway dpkg-reconfigure lightdm or gdm I think
[11:46] <jrib> raven: uh, probably not
[11:46] <jrib> raven: pastebin the contents of lightdm.conf
[11:47] <Guest62845> hi
[11:47] <raven> jrib, it only contains [seatdefaults] with greeter-session=lightdm-gtk-greeter and user-session)=xubuntu
[11:47] <jimbopea> Hello
[11:47] <m0x39> this is a really dumb question but im usually a RH user... anyway how do you disable startup services.. i have searched around but it seems the way in which ubuntu starts services is messed up and theres not a general convention.]#
[11:49] <m0x39> do you have to edit the /etc/init.d/ service files ? if so what do you change
[11:49] <john_john> jrib: I fixed it by manually adding deb http://repository.spotify.com stable non-free to sources.list
[11:49] <KI7MT> m0x39, on server or desktop
[11:49] <jrib> m0x39: kind of a mess.  Some packages are still using sys-v-init-style init scripts.  For those, you can use sysv-rc-conf (you know it is this style if there is *not* an init script in /etc/init for it (note the lack of ".d").  If there *is* an init script for your package in /etc/init, then it's an upstart script.  To disable upstart scripts, read about "manual overrides" in the upstart cookbook (should be
[11:49] <jrib> first hit on google for "upstart cookbook")
[11:49] <jrib> john_john: that's not a fix.
[11:50] <john_john> jrib: nope but it lets me install spotify
[11:50] <m0x39> ubuntu desktop
[11:50] <jrib> john_john: and I urge you to still pastebin the last command I asked for as your sources.list seems broken.
[11:50] <m0x39> thanks for the help i will look now
[11:51] <KI7MT> m0x39, easy way, Desktop Startup Applicaiton, hard way command-line via init.d
[11:52] <john_john> jrib: the "« more /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list | cat »" command?
[11:52] <jrib> john_john: yes
[11:52] <john_john> j
[11:52] <KI7MT> :bum an reconf are ok for GUI tools also.
[11:53] <KI7MT> rcconf not reconf
[11:53] <jrib> KI7MT: those tools don't deal with upstart jobs
[11:53] <jrib> KI7MT: do they?
[11:54] <KI7MT> rcconf may do, I've not used it in a long time, let me go check.
[11:54] <m0x39> it doesnt seem to have my
[11:54] <m0x39> mysqld service in there
[11:54] <m0x39> on rcconf
[11:54] <m0x39> or the cups
[11:54] <m0x39> well they are unticed
[11:54] <FloodBot1> m0x39: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[11:56] <KI7MT> I gotta do com digging on this one, best resource so far on upstart is the cookbook: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/
[11:56] <m0x39> cheers
[11:56] <KI7MT> I sure there's tools, just a matter of getting the right one.
[11:57] <m0x39> seems so much work just to get some services disabled from startup though, bit of a ballache. and yeah just fidning the right way first
[11:57] <jrib> m0x39: you create a single file with a line or two in it
[11:58] <raven> jrib, ?
[11:59] <KI7MT> BUM is ok, but be careful, I've heard it can mess up the scripts.
[11:59] <jrib> raven: yes?
[12:00] <raven> jrib, how to solve the login problem?
[12:00] <jrib> raven: still waiting on a pastebin from you
[12:00] <KI7MT> jrib, is right, you can write your own wrappers easily, and controls just abt whatever you want from your own gui.
[12:00] <raven> jrib, i wrote it here - thats all
[12:00] <ksinkar> how do I uninstall guile on my machine?
[12:00] <jrib> raven: pastebin it
[12:00] <jrib> ksinkar: how did you install it?
[12:01] <raven> jrib, you want me to pastebin 3 lines of a config file i already wrote here?
[12:01] <ikrevedko> ♪
[12:01] <Eagleman> I am having some issues with amavis, but i dont know how to troubleshoot it:  Sep  7 13:59:37 hostname postfix/smtp[10470]: ED2DB21338: to=<user@example.com>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:10024, delay=60, delays=0.02/0.01/60/0, dsn=4.4.2, status=deferred (conversation with 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1] timed out while receiving the initial server greeting)
[12:01] <ksinkar> jrib:( $ sudo apt-get install guile ) when I do ( $ sudo apt-get remove guile) I get the following error: Virtual packages like 'guile' can't be removed
[12:02] <jrib> ksinkar: dpkg -l '*guile*' | grep '^ii'
[12:02] <dolanor> Hello
[12:02] <dolanor> Anyone know about lxc and iptables ?
[12:03] <jrib> dolanor: ask your actual question
[12:03] <ksinkar> jrib: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6074564/
[12:03] <dolanor> I have a lxc debian container in a host. I want to reroute all the traffic for postfix from host to container
[12:04] <ikrevedko> Somebody has been creating websites? Write a private message
[12:04] <jrib> ksinkar: so uninstall whatever you don't want from that
[12:04] <dolanor> but it doesn't seem to work. I guess it is some iptables stuff that I'm not aware of
[12:04] <Eagleman> I am having some issues with amavis, but i dont know how to troubleshoot it:  Sep  7 13:59:37 hostname postfix/smtp[10470]: ED2DB21338: to=<user@example.com>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:10024, delay=60, delays=0.02/0.01/60/0, dsn=4.4.2, status=deferred (conversation with 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1] timed out while receiving the initial server greeting)
[12:05] <dolanor> it works well for http and https, but not for smtp
[12:06] <m0x39> found it i think just need to echo manual in service.override
[12:06] <m0x39> if its been converted, if not i dont know hwo to disable the old style services
[12:08] <jrib> m0x39: sysv-rc-conf
[12:08] <jrib> m0x39: (if it's sysv-init-style)
[12:09] <jrib> raven: yes...
[12:20] <SupaYoshi> Anyone experience with PyKoto
[12:20] <Eagleman> I am having some issues with amavis, but i dont know how to troubleshoot it:  Sep  7 13:59:37 hostname postfix/smtp[10470]: ED2DB21338: to=<user@example.com>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:10024, delay=60, delays=0.02/0.01/60/0, dsn=4.4.2, status=deferred (conversation with 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1] timed out while receiving the initial server greeting)
[12:31] <Eagleman> I am having some issues with amavis, but i dont know how to troubleshoot it:  Sep  7 13:59:37 hostname postfix/smtp[10470]: ED2DB21338: to=<user@example.com>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:10024, delay=60, delays=0.02/0.01/60/0, dsn=4.4.2, status=deferred (conversation with 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1] timed out while receiving the initial server greeting)
[12:34] <SupaYoshi> Is it advised to run SNORT on a Server? :D
[12:34] <belkinsa> Is anyone's latest version of Pidgin working on Ubuntu 13.04?
[12:34] <Eagleman> I am having some issues with amavis, but i dont know how to troubleshoot it:  Sep  7 13:59:37 hostname postfix/smtp[10470]: ED2DB21338: to=<user@example.com>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:10024, delay=60, delays=0.02/0.01/60/0, dsn=4.4.2, status=deferred (conversation with 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1] timed out while receiving the initial server greeting)
[12:35] <qwerty123> how to disable auto mounting of removable devices??
[12:35] <ikonia> Eagleman: it's not responding quick enough
[12:36] <Eagleman> how to speed mister amavis up?
[12:36] <ikonia> look at why it's slow
[12:36] <Eagleman> yeh, i have no idea where to look
[12:37] <ikonia> test it, see if it does respond slow
[12:37] <Eagleman> ikonia, that is the problem i dont know how to troubleshoot amavis
[12:37] <Eagleman> or how to test
[12:37] <ikonia> then why are you using it
[12:37] <ikonia> if you have no idea
[12:38] <Eagleman> ikonia i am not using it to troubleshoot itself, you only troubleshoot after it stopped working, which it finally did after an half year
[12:38] <ikonia> yes, so you should know how to use it if you've been using it for a year
[12:39] <Eagleman> great...
[12:39] <ikonia> Eagleman: check the obvious stuff, check it's running, check it's listening, connect to it's listening port, look at it's respose time, look at the logs
[12:39] <Eagleman> so where do i get support?
[12:40] <ikonia> re-read what I said
[12:40] <ikonia> ask specific questions related to the ubuntu setup if you want help from this channel
[12:41] <Eagleman> i've always asked question about packages in the repository here, and most of the time i got an answer for that
[12:42] <AlanBell> Eagleman: if it is a bug that you think relates to the Ubuntu packaging then you can file a bug here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amavisd-new
[12:42] <Eagleman> i mean support
[12:42] <AlanBell> sure, you can ask here, but it isn't a package that many people on a saturday know about
[12:42] <ikonia> Eagleman: I've given you an answer
[12:42] <belkinsa> Did you search about it in the Ubuntu Doc's at help.ubuntu.com?
[12:43] <belkinsa> Docs*
[12:43] <ikonia> Eagleman: I'm happy to help you, but if you've been using this for over 1.5 years, you should be able to check/know the basics such as how to check it's running, which log file it logs to
[12:43] <AlanBell> Eagleman: also try the amavis mailing list http://www.amavis.org/#support
[12:44] <AlanBell> but that error sounds like the service isn't running
[12:44] <ikonia> hence time out
[12:44] <ikonia> hence why I told you to check the things I suggested
[12:44] <AlanBell> or you have done some funky stuff with firewalls blocking it from itself
[12:45] <Eagleman> ikonia, lets give some more information the, it is running, i can connect to telnet localhost 10024: 220 [127.0.0.1] ESMTP amavisd-new service ready, a new error showed up in the log:  amavis[5158]: (05158-06) (!)SMTP: 500 5.5.2 Error: bad syntax; PENALIZE: \377\364\377\375\006\377\364\377\375\006\r\n
[12:46] <ikonia> Eagleman: ok, so the syntax appears wrong in that example of what's being passed to it, check the format it's expecting data in
[12:46] <dosas> i Have the weirdest error with my new bluetooth dongle. I plugged it in it connected absolutely fine with my mobile phone. then i unplugged it and turned bluetooth off. now i cannot get it working again. I have attached a few outputs here http://pastebin.com/9bnMiQCc
[12:46] <ikonia> Eagleman: although that doesn't sit well as I don't see a time out there
[12:47] <Eagleman> ikonia, it seems to work aigan :S
[12:47] <Eagleman> i didnt change a thing
[12:47] <Eagleman> amavis[5157]: (05157-06) Passed CLEAN, [5.45.183.189] <user@example.com> -> <robin@eagleman.net>, Message-ID: <522B2007.7000007@example.com>, mail_id: FqwgZIfaP1Ci, Hits: 0.999, size: 316, queued_as: AC9AF2226A, 21396 ms
[12:47] <belkinsa> @dosas: what model/brand you have?
[12:47] <dosas> it's in the paste Bus 001 Device 005: ID 0a12:0001 Cambridge Silicon Radio, Ltd Bluetooth Dongle (HCI mode)
[12:48] <dosas> but i had it working
[12:48] <dosas> it is a noname product
[12:48] <Guest33912> new broadcom drivers still not working
[12:49] <belkinsa> @donas They seem to work for awhile, but they break after awhile.  I had this issue and just gave up using one.  But I never brothered to look for an answer.
[12:49] <belkinsa> Sorry for saying that.
[12:49] <dosas> so the thing is broken
[12:49] <Guest33912> any one know something about it?
[12:49] <dosas> can you recommend a good one
[12:50] <dosas> i had it working for like 5 minutes
[12:50] <belkinsa> I can't.  All of them have that issue.
[12:50] <Guest33912> every time i update my system i have to downgrad broadcom to " bcmwl-kernel-source_5.100.82.112"
[12:50] <belkinsa> On ubuntu that is.
[12:50] <dosas> all dongels or all from this vendor
[12:50] <belkinsa> I believe all dongels.
[12:51] <belkinsa> But I maybe wrong here.
[12:51] <dosas> i hope so
[12:51] <belkinsa> Have you asked on ask.ubuntu?
[12:51] <dosas> i would really like to have a bluetooth connection
[12:51] <dosas> no not yet
[12:51] <dosas> do they have an irc
[12:52] <belkinsa> I think they do, but just asking it on the stack exchange is a good idea too.
[12:52] <belkinsa> It could help others.
[12:52] <dosas> mabye but i ave no accounts there
[12:53] <belkinsa> Just create one.  Or use your OpenID if you have one.
[12:54] <belkinsa> And I meant http://askubuntu.com/
[12:55] <belkinsa> @dosas: http://askubuntu.com/search?q=Bluetooth+dongles
[12:57] <belkinsa> I think your problem is this one: http://askubuntu.com/questions/130435/bluetooth-dongle-not-working-in-12-04
[12:58] <dosas> thanks a lot i will try
[12:58] <neuroquote> show me please ru channel ubuntu
[12:59] <cfhowlett> !ru|neuroquote,
[12:59] <dosas> but i cannot even get an output for  hcitool dev
[12:59] <dosas> Devices:
[12:59] <belkinsa> @Donsas Not a problem.
[13:00] <neuroquote> thank u
[13:01] <xtriz> in tasksel what is the difference between ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu live cd ?
[13:02] <belkinsa> You may not have installed?  try sudo apt-get install [program name].
[13:03] <belkinsa> sudo get-apt install hcitool
[13:03] <neuroquote> i can't connect to the russian channel
[13:03] <neuroquote> what is it?
[13:03] <belkinsa> apt-get*
[13:03] <belkinsa> Er, never mind.
[13:04] <neuroquote> #ubuntu-ru :Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services
[13:04] <cfhowlett> neuroquote, #ubuntu-ru
[13:04] <belkinsa> @neuroquote type in "/join #ubuntu-ru" without the quotes.
[13:05] <belkinsa> s anyone's latest version of Pidgin working on Ubuntu 13.04?
[13:05] <belkinsa> Is*
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[13:05] <neuroquote> :Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services
[13:05] <Johnny_Linux> people cant read
[13:05] <neuroquote> how to do it?
[13:06] <Johnny_Linux> the man pasted he cant join cuz of non registration
[13:06] <Johnny_Linux> !register | neuroquote
[13:06] <belkinsa> Thank you, Johnny.
[13:06] <neuroquote> oh, thank u
[13:06] <Johnny_Linux> np
[13:07] <JimboPea> !register | JimboPea
[13:08] <belkinsa> @dosas ARe you there?
[13:09] <Nothing_Much> Does Wine for Ubuntu armhf exist?
[13:09] <schreber> anyone playing around with 13.10 Beta 1 (Xubuntu specifically) and having some issue(s) with settings [adding a printer]?
[13:09] <karab44> ikonia: ! I have to show off! :)
[13:09] <dionisio> ciao
[13:10] <Nothing_Much> Does Wine for Ubuntu armhf exist?
[13:10] <karab44> Guys I changed the Bluetooth dongle and my wacom tablet works marvelous
[13:10] <info_guy_34> fine morning/night people..I have a little question, how can i get a windows xp running online. And even if i log off or close the browser it continues working. Is there a free website or something, thx
[13:11] <Nothing_Much> info_guy_34, I think you should update to Windows 7 or 8, Windows XP has less than a year before it dies, but I'm unsure as to what you're asking, do you mean a sleep mode?
[13:11] <ikonia> info_guy_34: it's not really anything to do with this channel.
[13:12] <info_guy_34> no i just mean is there a way i can have a windows in cloud?
[13:12] <ikonia> info_guy_34: you're in the ##windows channel already, that is the right place to ask
[13:12] <cfhowlett> info_guy_34, ask in #windows
[13:12] <info_guy_34> ok
[13:12] <Nothing_Much> Does Wine for Ubuntu armhf exist?
[13:12] <ikonia> no
[13:12] <belkinsa> This is a Ubuntu support channel, nit Windows.
[13:12] <belkinsa> not*
[13:13] <Nothing_Much> Is there a wine support channel so I can figure out if Wine for arm exists?
[13:13] <Nothing_Much> *ubuntu arm?
[13:13] <ikonia> Nothing_Much: "it doesn't"
[13:14] <Nothing_Much> Oh okay
[13:14] <Nothing_Much> Thanks
[13:15] <smw__> test
[13:15] <karab44> It's even more strange than I thought. I just removed and add again my tablet and it finally works.
[13:15] <xtriz> in tasksel what is the difference between ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu live cd ?
[13:15] <karab44> It works good on new and old bluetooth now.
[13:16] <ikonia> xtriz: what do you mean, what's the difference ?
[13:16] <xtriz> ikonia, how can i check what packages would be install if i select ubuntu live cd and when i select ubuntu desktop
[13:16] <ikonia> xtriz: what do you mean "select ubuntu livecd" and select ubuntu desktop
[13:17] <ikonia> xtriz: what are you trying to do
[13:17] <xtriz> ikonia, i am doing minimal installation, and fired tasksel.
[13:18] <ikonia> xtriz: right....so what is your question ?
[13:18] <xtriz> in tasksel there are two options, 1. ubuntu desktop and 2. ubuntu live cd
[13:18] <ikonia> xtriz: what are you actually trying to do
[13:18] <daniel_fr> hi
[13:19] <xtriz> xtriz, i am just learning things. i was experimenting by  starting installing ubuntu with minimal packages.
[13:19] <xtriz> ikonia, ^
[13:19] <xtriz> i want to setup unity
[13:19] <ikonia> xtriz: right....so why are you looking at the livecd ???
[13:19] <ikonia> xtriz: just install the desktop
[13:20] <xtriz> ikonia, i was curious so wanted to know what was the difference between ubuntu desktop and live cd.
[13:20] <ikonia> xtriz: pretty much "the installed desktop" and the live media package kits
[13:20] <daniel_fr> I just finish a fresh install full HD formated and black screen, by pressing esc I have this /dev/disk/by-uuid/8280A25C80A25687 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!
[13:20] <ikonia> daniel_fr: it can't find your disk device
[13:21] <daniel_fr> But if i press exit
[13:21] <ikonia> daniel_fr: not using raid by any chance are you ?
[13:21] <daniel_fr> it boot normaly
[13:21] <daniel_fr> no
[13:21] <ikonia> daniel_fr: look in /etc/fstab and see what that uuid matches
[13:21] <xtriz> ikonia, ok got it now :)
[13:22] <daniel_fr> I think when i change for default params in bios i make somthing wrong
[13:22] <daniel_fr> I try Fail-safe default
[13:27] <daniel_fr> ikonia: 1/ I startup PC (black screen) I press ENTER, i got the message, then I have prompt (initramfs) I put exit And it startup on system
[13:27] <xtriz> ikonia, how can i check under each category which list of applications will get installed for example 1. publishing application 2. photograph touchup and editing suite.
[13:28] <ikonia> xtriz: they are just meta packages as I recall, so check the depends
[13:28] <rickyc> Hi, is Unity 8 testable for desktop yet
[13:28] <ikonia> daniel_fr: so do what I told you to do
[13:29] <daniel_fr> I don't understant how it boot on it after puting exit
[13:29] <daniel_fr> -t+d
[13:29] <ChogyDan> daniel_fr: if you are able to start, can you pastebin your /etc/fstab?
[13:29] <ikonia> daniel_fr: I've just lost interest as I've told you the first step in debugging it
[13:29] <xtriz> ikonia, how can i check the depends ?
[13:29] <ikonia> daniel_fr: and you've not done it and keep talking about other things
[13:29] <daniel_fr> I go to do this
[13:29] <ikonia> xtriz: you're meant to be learning
[13:30] <daniel_fr> but I was on bios features
[13:30] <xtriz> ikonia, ok sir :)
[13:31]  * xtriz googles out
[13:31] <ChogyDan> xtriz: you should check `man tasksel`   there is a tasksel --task-packages thing
[13:31] <ikonia> ChogyDan: that's useful, didn't know that
[13:31] <danielfr> re
[13:32] <danielfr> ikonia, http://pastebin.com/fahfKu4N
[13:32] <ikonia> danielfr: I'm not interested
[13:32] <ikonia> I didn't ask for a pastebin
[13:32] <danielfr> oh
[13:33] <danielfr> Its ok
[13:33] <ChogyDan> danielfr: the next step would be to pastebin your `sudo blkid` output
[13:33] <xtriz> ChogyDan, correct but for example the task is mail server, when doing tasksel --task-packages mail server  it doesn't works
[13:34] <danielfr> http://pastebin.com/Wtq5SQXg
[13:35] <ChogyDan> xtriz: from tasksel --list-tasks it is mail-server.  Make sense?  you need the - fwiw
[13:35] <danielfr> same results
[13:36] <xtriz> ChogyDan, awesome :)
[13:37] <Rallias> So... I'm using ZNC 1.0+deb2ubuntu1 on a brand new ubuntu install in a xen container... and it's randomly disconnecting from the IRCd... what all can I do about this?
[13:38] <ChogyDan> danielfr: yeah, I dunno. :( sor
[13:38] <Fra_Supercar83> Hi everybody
[13:38] <danielfr> I don"t know where is my pb :/
[13:39] <alnr> I'm getting an error from apt-get update, "The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 29B2064E7DF49CEF". I added the key with "gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv 3E5C1192 && gpg -a --export 3E5C1192 | apt-key add -"  and apt-key list then shows "1024D/3E5C1192 2010-09-20    Ubuntu Extras Archive Automatic Signing Key" but I'm still getting this
[13:39] <alnr> error. any ideas?
[13:39] <desnaike> linuxmint
[13:43] <ChogyDan> alnr: are you sure it is for the ubuntu server?
[13:45] <xtriz> ChogyDan, for packages having long names it doesn't work, eg virtual machine host
[13:46] <xtriz> i tired virtual-machine-host
[13:46] <ChogyDan> xtriz: check again, it is virt-host
[13:46] <xtriz> how did you find that ?
[13:47] <ChogyDan> xtriz: tasksel --list-tasks
[13:47] <xtriz> ChogyDan, ok got it now.
[13:48] <xtriz> thank you so much for making it easy :)
[13:48] <ChogyDan> np
[13:48] <alnr> ChogyDan: i am not, now. when i googled for 29B2064E7DF49CEF, there was one hit, giving me 3E5C1192 but that looks like it is not for key 29B2064E7DF49CEF.
[13:49] <ChogyDan> alnr: I think it says in the apt-get update output.  These errors are ignorable btw
[13:52] <alnr> ah ok, it says the following signatures couldnt be verified but then there are no following signatures. I had other key errors that were stopping upgrades before but maybe this one is harmless
[13:52] <alnr> just did oneric > precise > raring
[13:54] <hillary> i have just install ubuntu 12.04 in my laptop. it install successfully but it is not showing desktop items  what could be the issue?
[13:55] <hillary> The screen is blank without any items to display
[13:56] <hillary> anybody to help/
[13:56] <Johnny_Linux> maybe you burned the disc to fast
[13:56] <Johnny_Linux> try burning it slower than 12x
[13:57] <hillary> The same cd i have used to install in my desktop and it worked well
[13:57] <Johnny_Linux> ok
[13:58] <ahmed_> d
[13:58] <ahmed_> df
[13:58] <zileara_>  Burn it at 1x, just to be sure.
[13:58] <ahmed_> how to chat in nimbuzz
[13:59] <zileara_>  While it burns, you can meditate about your life and the choices that brought you there.
[13:59] <schreber> anyone having a similar issue trying to add a printer to 13.10 beta ?
[13:59] <zileara_>  I am having issues with skype, but my imaginary printer is doing ok.
[13:59] <SchrodingersScat> !ubuntu+1 > schreber
[14:04] <hillary> so it could be the speed i used to burn it?
[14:05] <Johnny_Linux> not if it worked before
[14:06] <hillary> so any suggestion?
[14:06] <decci> I am trying to follow http://www.mappian.com/blog/hadoop/using-hadoop-to-analyze-the-full-wikipedia-dump-files-using-wikihadoop/
[14:06] <user82> is there something like a "up" key in nautilus that goes to the folder ../?
[14:07] <decci>  -inputformat : class not found : org.wikimedia.wikihadoop.StreamWikiDumpInputFormat Streaming Command Failed!
[14:07] <decci> Any idea how to fix this?
[14:09] <hillary> my laptop just stop reading cd but it reads dvds. What could be the issue ubuntu 12.04 LTS
[14:11] <zileara__>  There is a leak in my flat, so every time the neighbour takes a bath, it floods my kitchen. Can I ruin some valuables and sue the building owner for that?
[14:12] <majorJ> zileara__: do you have root priveleges?
[14:13] <Johnny_Linux> lol
[14:17] <funky1> hi there could someone help me out with a samba problem? i have described my problem and provided log files here i was hoping someone could help me i don't know what the trouble is with my samba setup i have described my problem and provided some log files here  http://pastebin.com/cXEvW5cU
[14:18] <info_guy_34> how can i have a ubuntu running always online working for me...i mean is there a way for me to have a cloud ubuntu?
[14:19] <ikonia> info_guy_34: what are you talking about "cloud" ubuntu
[14:19] <ikonia> info_guy_34: there are many cloud host providers, just use one of them
[14:20] <santi_2010> hello
[14:20] <majorJ> so the entire debian packaging system will be thrown out and replaced with a myriad of tiny python scripts?
[14:21] <santi_2010> Does anyone now where to download Ubuntu 13.04 iso from a fastest server?
[14:21] <ChogyDan> santi_2010: maybe try bittorrent
[14:21] <bwayne> info_guy_34: you could simply run ssh only your machine and either have your IP address handy or use no-ip.com to setup a dynamic dns.
[14:22] <santi_2010> Thanks ChogyDan
[14:22] <zileara__>  Did we ever have skype on the repository , or am I imagining things?
[14:22] <majorJ> so my applications will be able to run sandbox python from 13.10 on?
[14:22] <info_guy_34> bwayne i see sound bit difficult..
[14:23] <bwayne> info_guy_34: not really. it's just a couple of steps. install openssh, run sshd, open port 22, and away you go.
[14:24] <bwayne> info_guy_34: there are lots of tutorials on internets
[14:24] <info_guy_34> bwayne ok i'll search on those ..thx dude
[14:24] <bwayne> info_guy_34: no prob. i think you'll find it's pretty simple.
[14:24] <majorJ> bwayne: sounds like a networking issue
[14:25] <bwayne> majorJ: how so?
[14:25] <bwayne> majorJ: info_guy_34 : the port forwarding in the router is thoroughly explained in any tutorial.
[14:26] <bwayne> it's trivial.
[14:26] <majorJ> bwayne: right
[14:26] <funky1> could someone help me out with a samba problem? i have described my problem and provided log files here i was hoping someone could help me i don't know what the trouble is with my samba setup i have described my problem and provided some log files here  http://pastebin.com/cXEvW5cU
[14:28] <zileara__>  If you are having trouble with samba, the best thing to do is imagine a large "square" for your steps, and then slowly make it smaller as you get better.
[14:28] <user82> majorJ, waht do you mean?
[14:28] <zileara__>  Eventually, you will be fit for a brazilian carnival.
[14:28] <majorJ> user82: i dont understand the question actually. cloud Ubuntu running always online wroking for me? what ?
[14:29] <user82> majorJ, about debian package system
[14:29] <majorJ> oh
[14:30] <majorJ> user82: I heard that python scripts will run along side apps now not requiring them to install from root access or whatever and that means that maybe running mobile apps sandbox?
[14:31] <zileara_>  Why xchat wont let me in as root?
[14:31] <gvo> zileara_Is it giving you an error message?
[14:32] <mrrcp> zileara_: prob your username
[14:32] <mrrcp> ~root
[14:33] <smw94> let in as root ?
[14:33] <Bonanza> gvo, yes.
[14:33] <user82> ah majorJ thanks for explaining
[14:33] <Bonanza> "Running xchat as a root is stupid, you should create an user account, bla bla bla"
[14:33] <mrrcp> ahh
[14:34] <gvo> Bonanza: running most anything as root unless you have to is stupid, I agree.
[14:34] <majorJ> user82: i actully have no clue sorry mate. its like. debian stays but there is another script
[14:34] <mrrcp> yep
[14:35] <zileara__> "Running xchat as a root is stupid, you should create an user account, bla bla bla"
[14:35] <mrrcp> zileara__:  why run as root anyways
[14:35] <mrrcp> ?
[14:37] <majorJ> am i missing something or do i have to tinker with the light.dm to change my login screen wallpaper? in essence. how do i easily chang emy login screen wall paper? what is the command line for editing the lightdm file that contains the loginscreenwall paper if i need to?
[14:39] <majorJ> is it the same file as the unity-greeter?
[14:41] <trijntje> hi all, I'm trying to use wine in windowed mode, but once I interact with the window I cannot escape any more
[14:45] <HypnotiX> where are the terminal shortcut commands stored?
[14:45] <HypnotiX> because i have a command that its not returning anything and i want to know what the linked path is
[14:45] <bwayne> HypnotiX: try 'which <command>'
[14:46] <funky1> could someone help me out with a samba problem? i have described my problem and provided log files here i was hoping someone could help me i don't know what the trouble is with my samba setup i have described my problem and provided some log files here  http://pastebin.com/cXEvW5cU
[14:46] <bwayne> funky1: I ran a smb server some time back. I can't be of help. Don't understand your logs.  Sry.
[14:47] <HypnotiX> bwayne: ok it seems that the command is linked to a file that is a shortcut, but i dont think it leads to anything
[14:47] <bwayne> HypnotiX: what does the which command output?
[14:48] <HypnotiX> /usr/bin/yo
[14:48] <bwayne> try 'file /usr/bin/yo'
[14:48] <HypnotiX> and that yo file is a shortcut
[14:49] <HypnotiX> /usr/bin/yo: symbolic link to `../lib/node_modules/yo/bin/yo'
[14:49] <bwayne> OK. 'file ../lib/node_modules/yo/bin/yo'
[14:50] <hewei> How to enable the global menu of eclipse?
[14:50] <hewei> I'm using eclipse kepler
[14:50] <HypnotiX> well with the .. its not working
[14:51] <HypnotiX> but with the correct path it returns /usr/lib/node_modules/yo/bin/yo: a /usr/bin/env node script, ASCII text executable
[14:52] <neopsyche> Strange. Wireless manager keeps saying it cant add a new network
[14:53] <hillary> Am still unable to figure out why my ubuntu 12.04 could not work on my laptop.It does not load desktop items
[14:53] <neopsyche> anyone help with wireless manager
[14:53] <hillary> But it install nicely
[14:53] <bwayne> HypnotiX: OK.  Perhaps try relinking it to the correct path.
[14:53] <HypnotiX> how
[14:54] <bwayne> sudo rm /usr/bin/yo ; sudo ln -s /usr/lib/node_modules/yo/bin/yo /usr/bin/yo
[14:54] <mrrcp> hillary: what do u mean does not load desktop items?
[14:55] <smw94> what is the lightest Dsktp Manager ?
[14:55] <HypnotiX> bwayne: still the same results running the command returns nothing
[14:55] <HypnotiX> meh
[14:55] <hillary> when it boots up the screen just remain blank without anything. I mean desktopis just orange with mouse pointer only
[14:56] <JimboPea> Hi, having a problem on xubuntu 13.04. have a rtl8188ce wireless card and the speeds are low with it dropping out often. tried installing the driver off the realtek website which just disabled it. had to reinstall to fix. Can anyone help?
[14:56] <bwayne> HypnotiX: try running it directly with '/usr/lib/nob_modules/yo/bin/yo'.
[14:57] <HypnotiX> yeah same results
[14:57] <HypnotiX> i guess its broken
[14:57] <bwayne> paste yo to a pastebin for me.
[14:58] <HypnotiX> http://pastebin.com/yTeP4R3T
[14:59] <john_john> Is it ok to ask for help with Linux Mint here since it's based off ubuntu or is it prohibited?
[14:59] <funky1> thx anyhow bwayne
[14:59] <funky1> anyone else maybe?
[14:59] <funky1> could someone help me out with a samba problem? i have described my problem and provided log files here i was hoping someone could help me i don't know what the trouble is with my samba setup i have described my problem and provided some log files here  http://pastebin.com/cXEvW5cU
[14:59] <BluesKaj> john_john:  no
[14:59] <john_john> blueskaj ok :<
[15:01] <justinpeel> wow.. made it here. anyone else's video all screwed up after the last set of updates?
[15:01] <john_john> yes, mine
[15:01] <mrrcp> john_john: just ask
[15:02] <justinpeel> I just started up after installing updates last night. no menu bar on top. no dash on left
[15:02] <mrrcp> no one really cares
[15:02] <justinpeel> system is super slow
[15:02] <houser> I really cannot understand how people can say linux is the most stable system...seriously....ubuntu is the most unstable system i have ever used...it crashes minimum 3 times a day and i have to reboot...pretty much a joke. Also it cannot control the cooling fan so computer is awfully hot...and then there is the problem with my optimus graphic card...also dont work on ubuntu...most stable system...not really...sorry i just had to get t
[15:02] <houser> hat of my chest...
[15:02] <john_john> mrrcp: okay, err so whenever I'm trying to add a ppa or install certain programs the terminal spits out that there is "no json object could be decoded"
[15:03] <mrrcp> houser: linux is the most stable slick
[15:03] <houser> mrrcp, slick?
[15:03] <mrrcp> your computer is just junk or not configured
[15:04] <john_john> mrrcp: how do I configure it?
[15:04] <john_john> Oh you didnt answer me, sorry
[15:04] <houser> mrrcp, its not junk its a lenovo w520...call that junk and you dont really know much about computers...Configured?? I installed ubuntu...that should be configuration enough if ubuntu should have any chance at all against osx and windows
[15:05] <Daedric> I have Ubuntu 13.04 with VirtualBox, but VirtualBox is not detecting my USB, I want to transfer some data from my system to my virtualbox.
[15:06] <gvo> daedric: http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/virtualbox-usb.html
[15:06] <majorJ> houser: you have the wrong iso installed maybe? thinkpads run ubuntu fine. what distro are you running ? did you install from cd or live usb etc?
[15:06] <Daedric> gvo, tried that, doesn't work.
[15:06] <justinpeel> okay.. another screwed up update. maybe I'll switch to fedora or centos.
[15:06] <mrrcp> no you john_john
[15:06] <mrrcp> not
[15:06] <mrrcp> lol
[15:07] <john_john> yeah i realized lol
[15:07] <houser> majorJ, running 12.10 ubuntu desktop edition. installed from usb stick
[15:07] <yeats> john_john: have you tried just manually adding that line to the end of /etc/apt/sources.list (or as a separate file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/)?
[15:07] <mrrcp> houser: linux isnt worried about osx or windows.. never has been and never will..
[15:07] <john_john> yeats: yes, and it works but it doesn't really fix the bug though.
[15:07] <mrrcp> w520
[15:07] <yeats> john_john: and this is Linux Mint, yes?
[15:08] <john_john> yeats: yes
[15:08] <yeats> john_john: okay - then you'll need to report that to them
[15:08] <momin90909> Hey everyone Ubuntu cant display Urdu correctly in firefox
[15:08] <momin90909> how can I fix it
[15:08] <majorJ> houser: use Unetbootin and create a new live usb with a good iso of 13.04 and you should be good. do a clean install
[15:08] <houser> mrrcp, well...those are in fact the competitors which normal users are using ;) and will keep using as long as linux dont really work
[15:08] <john_john> yeats: yeah I know, their channel is dead :/
[15:08] <yeats> !mint
[15:09] <houser> mrrcp, so maybe linux should start worrying...
[15:09] <mrrcp> houser: lol sure
[15:09] <majorJ> houser: am running 13.04 desktop on a x220 no probs
[15:09] <gvo> houser for every one of you there are 100s that get it working just fine.
[15:10] <houser> gvo, every one of me?
[15:10] <mrrcp> houser NORMAL USER
[15:10] <mrrcp> houser.. what version do you have loaded
[15:10] <bwayne> HypnotiX: is this a node.js script?
[15:10] <mrrcp> let see if we can figure out the prob
[15:10] <houser> mrrcp, 12.10
[15:10] <HypnotiX> bwayne: yes
[15:10] <gvo> houser for every one of you guys that have problems ...
[15:10] <mrrcp> ok
[15:11] <mrrcp> have you attempted the new version?
[15:11] <mrrcp> to use
[15:11] <momin90909> Linux works fine as long as you dont try to get into root
[15:11] <HypnotiX> bwayne: i installed yeomen the same at work on ubuntu and it worked, i have no idea why it doesnt work at home
[15:11] <Daghdha> When i open software center i get 'package operation failed' i can't install anything it seems. ANy magic commandline to fix this?
[15:12] <mrrcp> houser: you should use 12.04
[15:12] <mrrcp> and see how that works out for you
[15:12] <houser> mrrcp, why would 1204 be better? because its lts?
[15:12] <mrrcp> yep
[15:12] <momin90909> houser: latest is best
[15:12] <bwayne> HypnotiX: well, I'm not familiar enough with JS to really parse it accurately. I'm supposing that console.log means to print to the screen.  But i'm not sure. Maybe there's a node.js irc channel?
[15:13] <mrrcp> Ubuntu 12.04.3 LTS is a long-term support release. It has continuous hardware support improvements as well as guaranteed security and support updates until April 2017.
[15:13] <HypnotiX> bwayne: yeah, that channel is dead im afraid
[15:13] <blub1> Hi guys got some trouble with my touchpad on Macbook3,1 on Ubuntu Gnome 13.04 where can i get help? thanks
[15:13] <mrrcp> houser: even i had issues with the new 13.04 out of the box.
[15:13] <mrrcp> 12.04 works with zero issues right out of the box
[15:13] <houser> mrrcp, on which machine?
[15:14] <mrrcp> houser i have multiple computers
[15:14] <mrrcp> Dell e4300 and a Lenovo t430
[15:14] <mrrcp> are the two laptops
[15:14] <houser> mrrcp, when is the next lts due?
[15:14] <bwayne> HypnotiX: try mailing list then.  or re-installing. perhaps there are environmental variables that must be set. I just don't know. Definitely not a symlink error. Sorry. :(
[15:14] <HypnotiX> bwayne: thats anyway for trying
[15:14] <bwayne> My opinion: LTS always the best.
[15:15] <bwayne> HypnotiX: no prob. we eliminated one possibility. that's always a good start.:)
[15:15] <mrrcp> houser: im not sure
[15:15] <houser> mrrcp, which lts was the last one before 12.04
[15:16] <momin90909> but anyone know how to fix Urdu language rendering in firefox
[15:16] <houser> ah 14.04 will benext lts
[15:16] <momin90909> and also are Ubuntu users increasing or decreasing over time
[15:17] <MonkeyDust> momin90909  what country is urdu language from?
[15:17] <houser> sweet...only 7more months b4 next lts :)
[15:17] <mrrcp> Releases 6.06, 8.04, 10.04 and 12.04 are the LTS releases
[15:17] <momin90909> @MonkeyDust: Pakistan
[15:18] <Daghdha> how can i force apt get to throw stuff away even if there are depndancy issues?
[15:18] <MonkeyDust> momin90909  #ubuntu-in would be closest to ask for help on Urdu, i guess
[15:19] <vlt> Hello. What command will just show a completely black terminal screen without any cursor? Any quick idea?
[15:19] <houser> MonkeyDust, dist upgrade
[15:22] <Daghdha> Can someone help me repair the ubuntu packages? I ran an update and now it is broken. http://pastebin.com/wurqKVSV
[15:22] <streulma> hello, sometimes I feel me sic working with Mac OS X, I like more and more Linux, and in our Community we use Ubuntu on the notebooks
[15:23] <streulma> I'm the only one with Mac OS X, and feel me sic that I'm not working with Ubuntu :)
[15:23] <netlar> streulma: I have OS X too
[15:23] <mrrcp> ?
[15:23] <streulma> netlar: I will come in to the Ubuntu Community :)
[15:24] <streulma> netlar: tried Ubuntu on my Mac native, but I have the overheating problem, the notebook is very hot !
[15:24] <netlar> streulma: I have an Ubuntu box too, not sure I will want to buy another Mac
[15:24] <mrrcp> why buy a 1000 paper weight
[15:24] <MonkeyDust> netlar  streulma please use #ubuntu-offtopic for general chit chat
[15:24] <mrrcp> when u can run ubuntu! for cheap lol
[15:25] <Daghdha> how can i FORCE packages to be uninstalled despite dependancies?
[15:25] <rodrigo> Could some one help me with steam?
[15:25] <Daghdha> It's l ike i have circulair dependancies or something
[15:26] <Daghdha> apt-get
[15:26] <streulma> this is not offtopic, I would know how that I can reduce my hot Macbook
[15:26] <blub1> Hi, Cant load Synaptics Driver on Ubuntu13.04 Macbook3,1 Tauchpad not Working and Touchpad missing in SystemSettings. Anyone got idea how to fix?
[15:26] <coolstar> just moved my ubuntu install to my SSD... and whoa
[15:26] <coolstar> instant boot
[15:26] <smw94>  how to remove duplicate package list ? i've checked source list, nothing is duplicated
[15:26] <smw94> http://ubuntuone.com/1kPxu1yvG9QfIBFiNSsqEj
[15:26] <rodrigo> In Amnesia there is an option to change the sound to alsa. That solved my problem in that game. But there is another game where there is no such option. Is there a way to force using alsa?
[15:30] <brainhead> i haven't been on irc since 2003. wow. anyway, is there a way to create folders on the desktop? i can do it in terminal, but i don't see the folder appear on the desktop
[15:30] <brainhead> i am running ubuntu 12.04 lts
[15:31] <ekiwok> brainhead, I'm pretty sure tou have to change settings and it will display all from your desktop folder
[15:31] <brainhead> maybe i need to 'downgrade' to gnome 2?
[15:31] <ekiwok> brainhead, do you have gnome 3?
[15:31] <ekiwok> or unity? :>
[15:31] <brainhead> my ubuntu is running unity
[15:32] <deav> Can I swap to a 64 bit kernel after installation of 32 bit Ubuntu Desktop?
[15:32] <brainhead> i prefer a messy desktop
[15:32] <Ari-Yang> deav, that doesn't make any sense whatsoever :|
[15:32] <Ari-Yang> if you install a 64-bit ubuntu distro, stick with 64-bit kernels
[15:33] <deav> Ari-Yang, I am asking if it's possible to perform an in-place migration from Ubuntu 32-bit (32-bit binaries, libraries, kernel, etc) to Ubuntu 64-bit
[15:33] <brainhead> deav, sounds logical
[15:34] <ekiwok> brainhead, it is the matter of settings in unity and gnome3, have you googled? you may install myunity from sources and then check show desktop icons
[15:34] <BluesKaj> deav:  yes if you install the OS to / ,and save you /home without formatting
[15:34] <ekiwok> brainhead, it was asked before: http://askubuntu.com/questions/126540/how-to-add-a-show-desktop-icon-to-the-launcher
[15:34] <BluesKaj> you must format / of course. deav
[15:34] <deav> yes I get that BluesKaj
[15:34] <jackw411> hey guys. i run ubuntu12.04 as my main development rig. i don' know alot about hardware support. basically, I want to purchase an external usb soundcard (preferably with some kind of volume knob to change volume) that will work with ubuntu12.04
[15:35] <parapan> hi fellows, can someone help me upgrade evolution in ubuntu 12.04 pls ?
[15:35] <jackw411> where would I find compatibility guides? everything I've found so far looks dated
[15:35] <BluesKaj> deav:  do you have / and /home partitions on the install ?
[15:35] <brainhead> ekiwok, when i last tried to access askubuntu.org (from a google search) i got a message that the web site was down for maintanance.
[15:35] <ekiwok> BluesKaj, are you sure deav have to format / ? here is thread about it: http://askubuntu.com/questions/6176/how-do-i-upgrade-from-x86-to-x64-without-losing-settings
[15:35] <ekiwok> brainhead, works fine for me now
[15:35] <brainhead> i'll revisit the site. thanks!
[15:36] <BluesKaj> ekiwok:  I just did it 2 days ago as an experiment , no problems so far
[15:36] <Ari-Yang> [11:33:02] <deav> Ari-Yang, I am asking if it's possible to perform an in-place migration from Ubuntu 32-bit (32-bit binaries, libraries, kernel, etc) to Ubuntu 64-bi---> ah, I see what you mean. Good luck~
[15:36] <rodrigo> When I play a game using pulse I hear a lot of clicks. If I knew that name of this problem I could Google that.
[15:36] <agyzone> Ubuntu 12.10 is very unstable ?
[15:36] <Ari-Yang> agyzone, I'm still using it and have no problems....
[15:37] <Ari-Yang> agyzone: ** OS: Linux 3.11.0-996-generic x86_64 ** Distro: Ubuntu "quantal" 12.10 **
[15:37] <brainhead> i like to stick to the LTS releases
[15:37] <deav> I was in a rush setting this machine up (so much so that I didn't notice that I was installing 32 bit Ubuntu) so no there's only one partition for /
[15:37] <deav> Backup /home, and back to the drawing board for me. Thanks for your time Ari-Yang, ekiwok, BluesKaj
[15:38] <BluesKaj> deav: then you have to do a clean install
[15:38] <agyzone> I had the most basic of Wireless Network card issue ... This issue was not shown when I has installed Ubuntu 10
[15:38] <brainhead> deav, you might save more time by rushing through a reinstall to 64 bit rather than trying to convert from x86 to x64
[15:38] <ekiwok> deav please notice some settings may be different for the same programs running on different architectures even x86 and amd64
[15:39] <deav> I am going to do that brainhead, backing up my home dir as we speak
[15:40] <Ari-Yang> agyzone, if you're upgrading from 10.... then you might as well install 12.04
[15:40] <Ari-Yang> no reason to install 12.10 now
[15:40] <jackw411> 12.04lts -> Creative SB1300 Recon 3D V0.3 <- will this work?
[15:40] <Ari-Yang> and you'd be upgrading from 13.04 to 13.10 in several months
[15:40] <BluesKaj> deav:  make separate / and /home partitions , suggest using the manual partion method in Ubuquity
[15:40] <agyzone> I am not upgrading .. i had previously installed ver 10, untill i realize that the updates were not avaiiable
[15:41] <deav> yeah, got no problem with that BluesKaj and I never usually use auto-installer. Was just rushing really
[15:41] <agyzone> so i uninstalled it and installed ubuntu 12.10
[15:41] <BluesKaj> deav:  ok , good
[15:41] <Ari-Yang> agyzone, why install 12.10??? why not 12.04?
[15:42] <Ari-Yang> I recommend you install 12.04. which is LTS (long time support)
[15:42] <agyzone> 12.10 was the latest available ... so installed it
[15:42] <jhutchins> Ari-Yang: VSS
[15:42] <agyzone> ok Ari-Yang ... i will have formatted and isntalled 12.04 today itself :)
[15:42] <agyzone> another issue i had was with my Android Phone ...
[15:42] <Ari-Yang> agyzone, okay, good luck
[15:43] <brainhead> finally i can see folders on my desktop. now i can get back to having a cluttered desktop. thank ekiwok.
[15:43] <agyzone> When i connect it to the ubuntu 12.10, i cant detect it as a memory card
[15:44] <agyzone> the phone I am using is HTC desire X ... please help me
[15:45] <rodrigo> If I fix the problem is there a way to share the solution?
[15:45] <jhutchins> agsrv: What does dmesg say when you connect it?
[15:45] <jhutchins> rodrigo: http://blogspot.com
[15:45] <jhutchins> rodrigo: You might be able to contribute something to the wiki.
[15:46] <rodrigo> Thanks
[15:47] <danharibo> having a big problem with fglrx
[15:47] <danharibo> after installing, something is trying to build the init images for 3.11
[15:47] <danharibo> but I don't have 3.11 installed any longer
[15:48] <danharibo> (and on top of that, fglrx isn't working..)
[15:48] <guest1> kk
[15:48] <monkeyjuice> agyzone:  take a look at kio-mtp
[15:49] <jackw411> nobody know where to find up to date compatibility guides for things like external soundcards?
[15:49] <jhutchins> jackw411: Who would have written something like that?
[15:50] <deav> Where do I get the alternative installer these days? I am going around in circles and can't find it on http://releases.ubuntu.com/raring/
[15:50] <jackw411> jhutchins: no idea, but seeing as there are plenty of hardware guides for linux in general, (mostly out of date)
[15:51] <jackw411> i figured somebody might have an up to date reference
[15:52] <clue_h> jackw411, true there are support pages for hardware with ubuntu, but try this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsSoundCards
[15:53] <jackw411> clue_h: amazing, thank you <--- jhutchins - that's who writes things like that
[15:53] <clue_h> jackw411, fingers crossed your sound card is included ;]
[15:54] <__0x57__> hi all is there a proper way to install ruby or is it just apt-get
[15:55] <jackw411> clue_h: i'm figuring out which to buy, I spend ALOT of time listening to music while I code, I've managed to spark out my motherboards audio by kicking the line in port :x
[15:55] <jackw411> so quick fix is to buy an external till I update the rig
[15:55] <badass> does anyone know if the samba configuration supports asterisk / wildcard for the include option?
[15:55] <badass> something like include=/etc/samba/config/*.conf
[15:55] <parapan> hi fellows can someone help me upgrade evolution in ubuntu 12.04 ?
[15:55] <clue_h> jackw411, i'm doing i similar thing before i get a usb tv stick dvb or w/e
[15:55] <rodrigo> Ok, found a solution here: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=920549
[15:56] <rodrigo> Will try to post it somewhere later.
[15:56] <rodrigo> Bye
[15:56] <clue_h> __0x57__, i checked apt-get install ruby
[15:57] <ekiwok> is ubuntu good distro for pendrive full installation?
[15:58] <__0x57__> ls
[15:58] <jhutchins> __0x57__: We would reccommend using apt.
[16:00] <badass> ^ ?
[16:01] <Physicist> Greetings. I would like to know how can I activate a partition to install one system. I already make a partition iwth all files wich will be installed.
[16:01] <mrrcp> brb
[16:02] <HypnotiX> BWorld: i figuredout what the problem was
[16:02] <HypnotiX> bwayne: even
[16:03] <HypnotiX> i had another program called node installed that was in conflict with nodejs
[16:03] <Physicist> Greetings. I would like to know how can I activate a partition to install one system. I already make a partition with all files wich will be installed.
[16:04] <Physicist> Exist a option to make this partition bootable on ubuntu 13.04?
[16:04] <jhutchins> badass: Pretty easy to test.
[16:05] <jhutchins> Physicist: If it has a valid /boot and kernel it should be detected by update-grub.
[16:06] <avis> i seem to be missing canonical key accept rings for updates on 12.04.3.  anyone know how i can easily receive and add via command line ?
[16:07] <jhutchins> !br
[16:07] <AlexPortable> I'm missing basnhee private/teletext decoder
[16:07] <AlexPortable> banshee*
[16:09] <AlexPortable> how can i install it?
[16:09] <AlexPortable> it's not in sudo apt-get isntall banshee-extension-
[16:10] <badass> jhutchins: I've obviously tried the asterisk
[16:10] <badass> I'm asking if there are any wild card options that will allow such a thing
[16:10] <comradzillaa> anyone know of any good free virtual linux boxes?
[16:10] <smw94> vmware
[16:10] <comradzillaa> running vbox is eating up too much memory ;/
[16:10] <AlexPortable> comradzillaa: virtualbox
[16:10] <AlexPortable> oh
[16:10] <comradzillaa> i mean online ones
[16:10] <AlexPortable> every vm software will do that
[16:10] <comradzillaa> i hear there's a way to access free online boxes
[16:11] <AlexPortable> you mean vps'es?
[16:11] <deav> comradzillaa Amazon EC2 Free-Tier
[16:11] <comradzillaa> i think?
[16:11] <comradzillaa> thanks deav, i'll do some research on that
[16:12] <AlexPortable> why are there 3 bots here\
[16:12] <comradzillaa> anyone take the free online harvard class cs50?
[16:12] <AlexPortable> comradzillaa: just ask your question
[16:13] <comradzillaa> AlexPortable: i think i just did
[16:13] <usr13> comradzillaa: What did you ask?
[16:14] <OerHeks> AlexPortable, that plugin is missing a long time https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gstreamer0.10/+bug/510376
[16:14] <comradzillaa> scroll up
[16:14] <usr13> no
[16:14] <AlexPortable> OerHeks: how can i install it>?
[16:15] <OerHeks> AlexPortable, not, as it is missing.
[16:15] <usr13> comradzillaa: Not an option.
[16:15] <AlexPortable> so how can I fix it?
[16:15] <AlexPortable> I want to play a movie
[16:15] <OerHeks> AlexPortable, you can play a movie, just no teletext.
[16:15] <jhutchins> AlexPortable: WHat about mplayer or vlc?
[16:16] <mrrcp> vlc is the best
[16:16] <POo> y :))
[16:16] <comradzillaa> usr13 i'm looking for a cloud based linux box to use while i'm learning to code
[16:16] <POo> ubuntu1
[16:16] <comradzillaa> this amazon one requires a CC
[16:17] <ASHER1> Help please
[16:17] <ASHER1> how i see port from this
[16:17] <ASHER1> sudo iptables -L
[16:17] <ASHER1> ?
[16:18] <jayjoe199x> quit
[16:18] <jayjoe199x> exit
[16:18] <ASHER1> :\
[16:18] <ASHER1> how i can see other port
[16:20] <usr13> comradzillaa: This is Ubuntu support so your question is off-topic for this channel, (this channel is for Ubuntu support so you have to ask questions about Ubuntu in specific here). You could try ##linux
[16:21] <ASHER1> someone please tell me?
[16:21] <AlexPortable> OerHeks: no it's not playing
[16:22] <AlexPortable> OerHeks: it refuses to play because the plugin is missing
[16:22] <usr13> comradzillaa: If you want to see what ubuntu looks like, you could try:  http://www.ubuntu.com/tour/en/  (It is a virtual tour.)
[16:22] <Ari-Yang> AlexPortable, I do not recommend VLC at all, and if somebody tells you it's the best, that's biased...
[16:22] <AlexPortable> Ari-Yang: huh? banshee isn't playing
[16:22] <Ari-Yang> AlexPortable, I recommend any player from the mplayer family (mplayer, mplayer2, or mpv)
[16:22] <Ari-Yang> oh
[16:22] <Ari-Yang> maybe run banshee via terminal to see if you get any errors?
[16:23] <ASHER1> someone know maybe what command on terminal ?
[16:23] <AlexPortable> Geen bruikbare decodermodule:
[16:23] <AlexPortable> VLC ondersteunt het "telx" audio- of videoformaat niet. Helaas kunt u dit niet oplossen.
[16:23] <ASHER1> sudo iptables -L i want see all ports
[16:23] <AlexPortable> vlc is playing but shows the error
[16:23] <wolf> Hi everyone
[16:24] <jgk> cler
[16:24] <hdd1> Hey yall! since i add mi data partition (where i store my data so i can access from both of my os) to fstab i been experimentig a really slow access to those files and also when i run commands theres take a while (also i have som VMS there). The contrast is with the speed/accessibility that i had when ubuntu took care of mounting (without automount) any body has any idea of hwo can i fix it or has experiments something similar. Thanks in advance
[16:25] <usr13> comradzillaa: If what you are really asking about is how to install Ubuntu in virtualbox, well, we could help you there and I just did a search and see there is a tutoral of sorts at  http://askubuntu.com/questions/142549/how-to-install-ubuntu-on-virtualbox
[16:26] <tekzilla> how to restart networking on ubuntu 13.04, from the console
[16:26] <napsc> ASHER1: -L will list all rules in your firewall... the last column displays the port/service information
[16:26] <usr13> tekzilla: service netwworking restart
[16:26] <tekzilla> usr13: ok thanks, still used to initscripts
[16:27] <usr13> /etc/init.d/networking restart #But preferred method is to use service
[16:28] <usr13> ... and it is shorter, (fewer keystrokes).
[16:28] <hdd1> service networking restart
[16:29] <hdd1> but with some configs it breaks up
[16:30] <usr13> tekzilla: Actually, I think the initscript only accepts start and stop and so it would take two commands to restart that way, so it would be a lot less to use service.
[16:31] <usr13> tekzilla: I think RedHat and SuSe and Debain and Ubuntu and other Ubuntu derivitives (and others) use service.
[16:31] <hdd1> usr13: ups yeah usr13 init.d support restart
[16:32] <usr13> hdd1: Well, I dono but if you just do command  /etc/init.d/networking  #With no arguments, it should tell you.
[16:32] <tekzilla> usr13: i'm on debian and still use initscripts, and can restart networking that way
[16:33] <tekzilla> but i guess i could use the service command on debian too
[16:33] <usr13> tekzilla: Ok, I stand corrected.
[16:33] <hdd1> usr13: or check the script
[16:33] <usr13> tekzilla: Well, it is up to you.
[16:33] <tekzilla> yeah i'm just used to the initscripts, but thanks for the input :)
[16:34] <usr13> hdd1: I think 12.04 uses force-reload
[16:35] <usr13> But the script reports "Usage: /etc/init.d/networking {start|stop}"
[16:37] <usr13> I see that you are correct hdd1, I just tried it, but it complains "Running /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated because it may not enable again some interfaces"
[16:37] <gassho> what name does 13.04 go by
[16:37] <hdd1> gassho: did you poen a google tab?
[16:38] <hdd1> gassho: raring ringtail
[16:38] <usr13> gassho: You mean what name?
[16:38] <usr13> Raring Ringtail
[16:39] <gassho> y thank u both :3
[16:49] <Avgva2> hey
[16:49] <SinS> Hello
[16:49] <SinS> Anybody there
[16:49] <Nicio> sup
[16:49] <Avgva2> me
[16:49] <blazemore> !anyone
[16:50] <POo> !anyone
[16:50] <Nicio> ping here
[16:51] <subman> from the command line, where is the location of my dvd drive?
[16:51] <Nicio> D:
[16:51] <POo>  /media
[16:52] <subman> I'm trying to copy it with dd.  Do I put in /media/usr/the dvd name?
[16:52] <parapan> hi there - configure: error: Package requirements (gio-2.0 >= 2.34.0  - can someone figure this error ?
[16:53] <subman> I'm not sure how /media works with the dd command.  It doesn't seem to.
[16:54] <subman> Let me ask this another way then.  How to copy a dvd with the dd command?
[16:55] <POo> subman, http://kvz.io/blog/2007/08/01/make-iso-images-on-linux/
[16:55] <subman> POo, that does not work
[16:56] <subman> Ubuntu has changed the way a dvd/cd is mounted now
[16:56] <POo> why not!!
[16:56] <subman> It is under /media/user/name of dvd
[16:56] <subman> That link is from 2007
[16:56] <POo> ok w8
[16:57] <POo> subman , 2011 , http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/archiving-cds-iso-commandline
[16:57] <POo> :))
[16:57] <Nicio> omg i dind know irc was alive lol
[16:58] <OerHeks> subman, dd if=/dev/sr0 of=/path/to/where/you/want/the/<name>.iso #if your dvd is sr0
[16:58] <subman> Wow, ok I guess burning from command line is insane now in Ubuntu
[16:58] <POo> lol
[16:58] <alex22> hi everybody :)
[16:58] <Nicio> hi
[16:59] <POo> hi
[16:59] <alex22> does anyone have eclipse? :)
[17:00] <Hiig> quick question...im running a virtual machine of ubuntu-server. no GUI. how do i change the resolution to 1440*900?
[17:01] <OerHeks> Hiig, in VirtualBox?
[17:01] <Hiig> vmware workstation
[17:01] <Hiig> the monitor settings in vmware are set to auto detecct
[17:01] <Hiig> and a maximum resolution of 2560*1600
[17:01] <Hiig> they were defaults
[17:02] <OerHeks> vmware is not in the repositorys, i don't know
[17:02] <cusco> hi
[17:03] <xtriz> how can i launch system-settings from terminal ?
[17:03] <cusco> using ubuntu 10.04 .. openssl seems to have a bug and php can't fetch some stuff over https? says: failed to enablye crypto
[17:04] <OerHeks> xtriz, i think you want gnome-control-center
[17:06] <xtriz> OerHeks, yeah that is what i was looking for :)
[17:06] <Hiig> OerHeks: i should still be able to adjust the resolution from inside the VM, no? ive changed resolutions of GUI systems in vmware within the VM, so im assuming i should be able to do the same thing without a GUI. the question is where do i go?
[17:06] <Trel> I was told the mini install doesn't require PAE.  I still get the message about my processor not supporting PAE.  Is there ANY way to install ubuntu on a machine that doesn't support PAE?
[17:07] <mzaza> Hello, when I am trying to connect to a server through SSH the ssh session is very slow in reading what I write. I mean typing a letter could talk a bunch of seconds, any ideas why?
[17:07] <coolstar> mzaza: probably it's the network being slow
[17:08] <mzaza> coolstar: Streaming YouTube videos is fine from my end, and the server I am trying to connect to downloads 100MBs files in seconds.
[17:08] <Artemis3> Trel, i believe you need an older version, can't remeber if it was 12.04 or 10.04 and upgrade from there, keeping the i486 image
[17:08] <OerHeks> Hiig, i think so too, but maybe someone with the answer is reading your question too
[17:08] <Hiig> heh, hopefully
[17:08] <coolstar> mzaza: it's not necessarily speed though, there's latency too
[17:08] <Trel> Artemis3: doesn't that run the risk of causeing broken packages?
[17:09] <Artemis3> Trel, also im sure Xubuntu 12.04 doesnt need pae
[17:09] <Hiig> been looking all over google, and so far, the only guides there are appear to be under the assumption that the reader actually knows how to use linux
[17:09] <kostkon> !pae
[17:09] <kostkon> hmm
[17:09] <Artemis3> Trel, no risks :) its just another kernel image
[17:10] <kostkon> Trel, what kind of processor is it
[17:10] <Trel> Artemis3: I'm talking about doing multiple dist-upgrades
[17:10] <Artemis3> Trel, you need to use the ubuntu upgrade system, iirc the update-manager, ubuntu supports upgrades directly from lts to lts
[17:11] <gvo> kostkon: try finding a non pae kernel for ubuntu
[17:11] <OerHeks> Trel, fast way is install Xubuntu ( supports CPU without PAE) and install ubuntu-desktop afterwards >> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PAE
[17:11] <Trel> Xubuntu now requires PAE
[17:11] <Trel> I tried that already
[17:11] <Artemis3> Trel, if you instal minimal, with bare packages, these upgrades should take no time
[17:11] <kostkon> something like this? http://www.webupd8.org/2012/05/how-to-install-ubuntu-1204-on-non-pae.html
[17:11] <mzaza> coolstar: So, no debugging steps should I follow which would let you if it's network problem or something wrong somewhere else?
[17:11] <gvo> I think the only thing that you can find is the server version without PAE
[17:11] <Artemis3> Trel, 12.04 doesn't :)
[17:11] <OerHeks> Trel, the 12.04 version does not, 13.04 does
[17:12] <coolstar> mzaza: pingtest.net
[17:12] <Trel> kostkon: I know the 12.04 version doesn't, that's what I was asking about with broken dependencies from multiple dist-upgrades
[17:12] <kostkon> Trel, are you currently on 10.04?
[17:12] <Artemis3> Trel, with 12.04 you don't need to upgrade, stay with 12.04 and use ppa for the occasional package
[17:13] <Trel> I'll try the 12.04 minimal, out to go try now
[17:13] <kostkon> Trel, what's your cpu? just asking
[17:18] <mzaza> coolstar: http://www.pingtest.net/result/86093515.png
[17:19] <coolstar> mzaza: there you go
[17:19] <Nothing_Much> What does this mean: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTQ1NjY
[17:19] <coolstar> mzaza: 883 ms ping is really slow
[17:19] <mzaza> coolstar: mmm... So it's my ISP then
[17:19] <mzaza> coolstar: Thanks dude :)
[17:19] <coolstar> mzaza: np
[17:20] <Nothing_Much> What is Intel doing with XMir?
[17:21] <Nothing_Much> Why did they stop supporting Canonical or stop supporting XMir?
[17:21] <Nothing_Much> Oh, I'm not in offtopic
[17:21] <Nothing_Much> sorry
[17:25] <Trel> kostkon: it claims it's a centrino
[17:25] <Trel> and BTW 12.04 minimal still requires PAE
[17:25] <kostkon> Trel, :/
[17:25] <Randy_O> I've got a process that refuses to end, I've tried killall and system monitor end process. the process is steam. Any suggestions?
[17:25] <blazemore> Randy_O: killall -9 processname
[17:25] <kostkon> Randy_O, try kill -9 pid
[17:26] <blazemore> kostkon's one is better
[17:26] <Trel> kostkon: if I try to boot the normal install, it 'crashes' (colorful line across the top of the screen) and if I try to go into commandline or expert install, PAE error.
[17:27] <Trel> I'm going to try 10.4 but I'm giving up after that
[17:27] <kostkon> Trel, are you doing this? "Boot from it, follow the steps, and choose linux-generic when asked to choose a kernel, and ubuntu-desktop to get the "default" Ubuntu installation the regular Desktop CD would have given you, just with a non-PAE kernel."
[17:27] <MonkeyDust> Trel  10.04 for destop is dead, !eol
[17:28] <Randy_O> blazemore, kostkon: kill -9 got it, thanks a bunch.
[17:28] <kostkon> Trel, taken from here http://askubuntu.com/a/117751/1651
[17:28] <Trel> kostkon: I do not get far enough to choose a kernel....
[17:28] <kostkon> Trel, oh ok
[17:28] <Trel> MonkeyDust: can you dist-upgrade from 10.04?
[17:28] <Trel> or does EOL mean I can't do that
[17:30] <kostkon> Trel, i think you can. the repos are still up. have you tried lubuntu??
[17:30] <Trel> I'll try xubuntu 12.04, it says i386, so hopefully that would work.
[17:30] <kostkon> Trel, lubuntu. forget about xubuntu
[17:30] <Trel> lubuntu is PAE
[17:30] <kostkon> Trel, damn
[17:31] <Trel> I can't understand the logic behind making the installers PAE.
[17:32] <gvo> There are 32 bit versions of lubuntu
[17:32] <kostkon> Trel, the logic is that most new systems come with >= 4GB of ram and 100% of the cpus are pae capable
[17:33] <kostkon> Trel, but even old cpus are pae capable, from pentium II and up, the exception being some models of pentium M
[17:34] <gvo> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/precise/release/ shows a non pae kernel (x86)
[17:40] <Trel> gvo: and yet it still gives the error about not having PAE when I use it
[17:41] <Trel> kostkon: and apparently some models of centrino
[17:41] <subman> OerHeks, Thanks, that worked for me!
[17:41] <morph3x> .
[17:41] <kostkon> Trel, old centrino models were pentium m based, newer im guessing were core duo
[17:42] <Trel> Which would explain that part at least.
[17:42] <kostkon> Trel, yeap
[17:42] <OerHeks> subman, have fun
[17:49] <gvo> trel how interesting
[17:53] <gvo> TREl: Mint XFCE version apparently works with non PAE http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=134109
[17:57] <B5Geek> I am trying to install Splashtop server to a remote server but I can't find splashtop using apt-cache search.  The apps.ubuntu page says that its in the repos.  Any suggestions?
[17:57] <parapan> hi folks can someone help me to upgrade glibc to latest version ?
[17:58] <kostkon> parapan, what for?
[17:58] <parapan> kostkon: I get an error when trying to configure evolution 3.8.5 in ubuntu 12.04
[17:59] <kostkon> B5Geek, ubuntu system settings, select software sources, in the 3rd party software tab enable every repo you can seee listed there
[17:59] <kostkon> parapan, paste the error and maybe someone will be able to help you
[17:59] <kostkon> !paste
[17:59] <B5Geek> kostkon: all extra repos have been added.  Remerber I am accessing via CLI only
[18:00] <B5Geek> enabled rather then added
[18:01] <parapan> kostkon: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6075837/
[18:01] <kostkon> B5Geek, strange i can't find it either
[18:02] <bosyi> hi
[18:02] <B5Geek> kostkon: good i'm not the only one
[18:02] <B5Geek> =)
[18:02] <kostkon> parapan, are you installing it from the repos?
[18:03] <bosyi> were is the best place to talk with people about printer indicator/ hp printers support
[18:03] <OerHeks> B5Geek,  This version of the Splashtop Streamer supports Ubuntu version 12.10 and 12.04; currently there is no support for other versions of Ubuntu or other Linux distributions > https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/raring/splashtop-streamer/
[18:03] <Cache_Money> When i start my machine, open the terminal, and then open SublimeText2 ($ subl) it ties that terminal instance.  For example, if i close the terminal it will close SublimeText2. Can I stop that from happening?
[18:03] <B5Geek> OerHeks: odd.  Thanks for the link
[18:04] <parapan> kostkon: ...directly from 3.8.5 sources provided by gnome
[18:04] <gvo> Cache_Money: man nohup
[18:04] <SchrodingersScat> Cache_Money: screen is also nice
[18:05] <Cache_Money> gvo: thanks
[18:05] <gvo> SchrodingersScat: That's great if you need to get back to it, but nohup uses less resources
[18:05] <gvo> uses fewer resources
[18:06] <kostkon> parapan, i think you can't do anything about it other than upgrade to a newer ubuntu release
[18:06] <ooorpw> guys, please help me. I can't see wifi channel 12 :(( ubuntu 12.04 (eepc 1215n)
[18:06] <ooorpw> how to fix it? ((
[18:07] <kostkon> parapan, or maybe find a ppa that provides the latest version of gnome for 12.04
[18:08] <parapan> kostkon: unable to find-it ..I search for several weeks ...only one PPA called straciatella ...but it upgrades from 3.2.3 to 3.4.2 ...
[18:09] <mrrcp> anyone here use virtual box on 12.04
[18:10] <parapan> kostkon: problem is I need evolution with MS Exchange server 2010 .....from 3.8 on is a solved problem .....latest version are more or less buggy wht it comes with this integration ...
[18:10] <OerHeks> ooorpw, some countries do not use channel 12 13 14 > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WLAN_channels#Interference_Concerns
[18:10] <kostkon> parapan, ok
[18:10] <parapan> mrrcp > I do ....why ?
[18:10] <ooorpw> OerHeks: Ok. but how to turn it on? :)
[18:11] <ooorpw> OerHeks: I'm in Europe
[18:11] <OerHeks> ooorpw, depends on the router i guess
[18:12] <OerHeks> ooorpw, enable/disable channels is not really an user jub, that should be set automatic.
[18:13] <gordonjcp> ooorpw: check for a region setting in your AP firmware
[18:13] <ooorpw> OerHeks: may be it because I've use English version of Ubuntu?
[18:13]  * gordonjcp usually uses what would be channel -3 if it existed
[18:14] <OerHeks> No, more likely your TZdata, or the TZdata of the router
[18:15] <parapan> kostkon: any way thnaks for looking over the subject :D
[18:17] <Aku506> 8
[18:19] <ASHER1> i want please
[18:19] <ASHER1> help
[18:19] <ASHER1> how i remove iptables?
[18:21] <Ampelbein> ASHER1: "sudo apt-get remove iptables" - But why would you want to do that?
[18:21] <ASHER1> no
[18:21] <ASHER1> i want remove port
[18:22] <ASHER1> i set port 80
[18:22] <felipe__> Hi my friend, I am new in ubuntu...when I close the display appear this erros
[18:22] <felipe__> Unable to enumerate USB device on port 5
[18:22] <Johnny_Linux> ASHER1,   http://gufw.org/
[18:23] <Mace268> Any ideas why I have to keep reloading ALSA when I change the volume (sound goes corrupt)?
[18:23] <bluebomber> It appears I have two different versions of gstreamer installed; how can I check to see which version Totem is using?
[18:24] <felipe__> can i fix this error please Unable to enumerate USB on port 5 ?
[18:27] <Ampelbein> felipe_: That error appears when the driver that gets selected is unable to communicate with the device. You can use lsusb to check which device it is and, depending on what the device is, add a udev rule to assign the correct driver.
[18:27] <felipe__> Ampelbein, thanks
[18:29] <bhavesh> Is there a command to check if a PPA is already added from terminal?
[18:30] <IW7DQR> test
[18:31] <felipe__> Amandil, only appear 4 usb devices
[18:31] <OerHeks> bhavesh, ppa's in use > cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list
[18:31] <bhavesh> OerHeks, thanks
[18:32] <felipe__> Amandil, but the error show the 5 usb
[18:32] <alphas> how to upgrade from 12.04 to 13.10 beta
[18:32] <OerHeks> bhavesh, all ppa's > cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
[18:32] <alphas> ?
[18:32] <alphas> ?
[18:32] <alphas> How
[18:32] <alphas> ?
[18:32] <FloodBot1> alphas: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:33] <alphas> ok
[18:33] <Ampelbein> felipe_: The error shows on "port 5", which has nothing to do with the number of devices.
[18:33] <mwallacesd> Hi there, I was working with usermod (backups are saved) and now I can't login and start recovery mode... How can I use de live cd to restore my bkp of /etc/passwd
[18:33] <mwallacesd> ???
[18:33] <bekks> mwallacesd: Boot it, and revert your changes.
[18:34] <Ampelbein> alphas: You have to upgrade from 12.04 -> 12.10 -> 13.04 -> 13.10
[18:34] <Ampelbein> alphas: There is no direct upgrade path
[18:34] <mwallacesd> bekks, i boot but use the option try ubuntu
[18:34] <alphas> ok, thank you
[18:34] <mwallacesd> and cant see my bkp file
[18:34] <jsdamm> mwallacesd : where are your backups ? (I mean, physically)
[18:35] <mwallacesd> in the same dir
[18:35] <bekks> mwallacesd: Then it isnt there nost likely.
[18:35] <mwallacesd> /etc/passwd_bkp
[18:35] <mwallacesd> I am thinking that I start the live cd in a wrong mode
[18:36] <bekks> mwallacesd: the /etc/... you see is on the live cd. you have to mount your harddisk and edit the file there.
[18:36] <mwallacesd> OYes
[18:36] <bekks> mwallacesd: No, you did it right until now.
[18:36] <mwallacesd> OK
[18:36] <mwallacesd> How can I mount my hard drive?
[18:36] <bekks> !mount | mwallacesd
[18:37] <mwallacesd> Thanks a lot! You sabe my day!
[18:37] <mwallacesd> =)
[18:37] <mwallacesd> *save
[18:37] <wad> Anyone else find that most youtube videos don't work, under Chromium on Ubuntu? If I run FireFox, the video works just fine.
[18:38] <Marlenee> libnetutil/libnetutil.a  is missing
[18:38] <jsdamm> mwallaced : top toolbar : go -> Computer , then lookf for your hard drive. It should mount it
[18:40] <Corvaxia> Has anyone been able to get steam voice chat to work through wine?
[18:40] <SchrodingersScat> Corvaxia: why not use steam native?
[18:41] <Corvaxia> The specific game I want to play on steam is windows only (Company of Heroes).
[18:42] <Mace268> Any ideas why my sound goes corrupt when I change the volume? I have to restart ALSA to fix it every time.
[18:42] <Corvaxia> Instead of trying to get steam voice chat to work through wine I think I might try the pidgin steam plugin and go from there if it will let me use both steam and pidgin at the same time
[18:43] <chris5000> Mace268: bad driver?
[18:43] <Corvaxia> But getting a fully featured wine version of Steam would be ideal
[18:44] <ozux> Is there any way to boot Ubuntu with degraded raid, by pasing options to grub? Like disabling raid at all?
[18:45] <panthraxnation> Hi. New to Linux, having problems with wireless connectivity. Seems to connect for a few brief moments (long enough to perhaps load a webpage) and then it will suddenly stop loading any webpages or anything Internet related. The connection itself remains connected, but it's like it stops communicating with the internet or something. After about 5 minutes or so, it will let me load a webpage or so, only for it to immediately st
[18:46] <panthraxnation> I'm using Kubuntu, by the way. If that makes any difference. Anybody?
[18:46] <cantoma> hey guys, when someone says "kernel version 3.11-rc5" is this: (a) kernel version 3.10 with patch 3.11-rc5 or (b) kernel version 3.11 with patch 311-rc5 ??
[18:47] <[Gentoo]> cantoma: its 3.11
[18:47] <chris5000> panthraxnation: use a program that measures RSSI to check your signal strength during these times when you're losing connectivity. and run an extended ping to 8.8.8.8. if the pings fail then the issue is with your actual internet connection. if the RSSI levels come back low then the issue is with your router/AP
[18:47] <chris5000> panthraxnation: no
[18:47] <cantoma> [Gentoo], that means (a) or (b) ?
[18:47] <ozux> panthraxnation: firt please do some tests, to make sure you connected to Internet? Local network or not, to do that, you can use ping tool
[18:47] <ozux> panthraxnation: aftr connected to wireless, or you suspect it is connected
[18:48] <ozux> panthraxnation: use; Ping 4.2.2.4
[18:48] <ozux> panthraxnation: you should run in in Terminal
[18:48] <panthraxnation> Well I would suspect it was my actual internet connection but I am currently connected to the same wireless internet on all my devices just fine
[18:48] <panthraxnation> Its JUST this linux machine
[18:48] <chris5000> ozux: just said that
[18:48] <panthraxnation> That is giving me issues
[18:48] <kostkon> parapan, :)
[18:48] <ozux> panthraxnation: nice, so we got half of way :)
[18:49] <ozux> chris5000:   I was busy by typing ;)
[18:49] <chris5000> what wireless card panthraxnation
[18:49] <chris5000> and what kernel
[18:49] <panthraxnation> lemme check
[18:49] <panthraxnation> Qualcomm Atheros AR2413/AR2414 Wireless Network Adapter [AR5005G(S) 802.11bg] (rev 01)
[18:49] <panthraxnation> Dunno how to check for kernel version
[18:50] <jsdamm> panthraxnation : uname -a
[18:50] <panthraxnation> Linux Duality 3.2.0-53-generic-pae #81-Ubuntu SMP Thu Aug 22 21:23:47 UTC 2013 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
[18:52] <panthraxnation> chris5000: dunno if you saw my reply above or not. Gave the wireless card and kernel version.
[18:52] <seynb> time to upgrade that kernel, playa
[18:53] <panthraxnation> Oh yeah?
[18:53] <ozux> panthraxnation:  So, have you tested ping ?
[18:53] <seynb> you should do aireplay-ng -9 -e ESSID
[18:53] <panthraxnation> Not yet. Where should I ping?
[18:54] <ozux> panthraxnation:  in terminal
[18:54] <panthraxnation> Yeah I know but
[18:54] <panthraxnation> What address
[18:54] <seynb> the gateway
[18:54] <ozux> panthraxnation:  ping any ip address, like 8.8.8.8
[18:55] <panthraxnation> Ok, I will have to disable wired connection for a moment so I can try that on strictly wireless.
[18:55] <panthraxnation> So let me give that a shot and I will let you know how it went.
[18:55] <seynb> just ifdown eth0
[18:56] <mwallacesd> It is done, I coud restart the system bekks. Thank you again. Can you telme how can I user correctly the usermod command? I was trying sudo usermod -d -m /home/newdirectory but the system returns directory not found.
[18:58] <bekks> mwallacesd: then you did not create the directory before.
[18:59] <ASHER1> i have problem
[18:59] <ASHER1> i not see the iptables config
[18:59] <ASHER1> :\
[18:59] <ASHER1> sudo nano /etc/sysconfig/ip6tables
[18:59] <ASHER1> nothing
[19:00] <bekks> ASHER1: Whats the output of "lsb_release -a"?Please put it in a pastebin.
[19:00] <ASHER1> what pastebon
[19:01] <ASHER1> bin
[19:01] <ASHER1> i not see nothing
[19:01] <ASHER1> not conf
[19:01] <FloodBot1> ASHER1: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:01] <bekks> !pastebin | ASHER1
[19:01] <pranav> its strange. i can access internet in terminal of my server. but when i log-into it using ssh from client-terminal, i can't even ping, wget, apt-get. what might be the problem ?
[19:01] <usr13> mwallacesd: usermod -d /home/newperson newperson
[19:01] <bekks> ASHER1: Please put the output of "lsb_release -a" into a pastebin and give us the URL.
[19:01] <Quest> any one knows good knowledge about https and networking?
[19:01] <bekks> Quest: The apache documentation.
[19:02] <Quest> bekks,  what?
[19:02] <Quest> bekks,  no i need to discuss something
[19:02] <usr13> Quest: Just ask.
[19:02] <Quest> http://masoodahmad.com/02.Session-Hijacking-Pt.2.mov how the hell can the email / password be visible in this middleman attack when the user was using HTTPS gmail website ?
[19:02] <bekks> Quest: The apache documentation is a very good source of information. You asked for a source of information, I gave it to you.
[19:03] <bekks> Quest: There are ways to intercept the certificate, to fake it, to hack it, etc.
[19:03] <Quest> bekks,  the certificate was not touched in that video
[19:03] <bekks> Quest: And it is not ubuntu-specific. And I am not going to watch the video. :)
[19:04] <Quest> bekks,  i didnt asked you to
[19:04] <Quest> I invited people who want to discus
[19:04] <bekks> Quest: This is not the right channel to do so.
[19:04] <Quest> I would talk in #ubuntu-offtopic then now
[19:05] <lopez> any MILF's ?
[19:05] <bekks> lopez: You are in the wrong channel.
[19:05] <lopez> what do U mean?
[19:06] <lopez> wrong channen
[19:06] <bekks> lopez: This is ubuntu support - not your personal dating channel.
[19:06] <subman> And 'U' is spelled 'you'
[19:06] <lopez> MILF's can be supportive
[19:06] <bekks> lopez: Do you have an ubuntu support question?
[19:08] <mwallacesd> usr13, but I want to create a new user home directory then copy all files from the actual user and finally change the user name isted create a new user... It will work too?
[19:09] <bekks> mwallacesd: Create a new user, copy the config, done.
[19:09] <smithzv> I am trying to record audio output from a program using pulse audio, but pulse seems to not see any output even though I can hear it (via pavucontrol).  This is working on my Ubuntu laptop, but not my desktop.
[19:09] <mwallacesd> usermod -d /home/newperson newperso (-m is used in order to copy the user files to the new home directory)
[19:09] <smithzv> What tools do you know of that can be used to troubleshoot pulse audio?
[19:09] <mwallacesd> How can I copy the confi?
[19:09] <mwallacesd> bekks,
[19:10] <bekks> mwallacesd: "cp ..."
[19:10] <leonie> hey, can someone tell me any easy program I can use to just add simple image effects to images picasa/instagram style?
[19:10] <usr13> mwallacesd: I've always just change the name of /home/user to /home/user.bak, create a new one, then create a fstab entry for it, reboot to see that it works ok and then just delete /home/user.bak
[19:11] <mwallacesd> bekks (I know how to user cp) I mean what happens with the user's permitions ???
[19:11] <mwallacesd> then I will have to change file by file all the permitions???
[19:11] <bekks> mwallacesd: Thats depends on the option to the cp command you will use.
[19:11] <bekks> mwallacesd: And using "chown" you can even recursively set the correct owner/group.
[19:12] <mwallacesd> I am think how to combine cp with chow
[19:12] <mwallacesd> chonw
[19:12] <bekks> mwallacesd: chown
[19:12] <mwallacesd> I am think how to combine cp with chonw
[19:12] <llu_> hey
[19:12] <bekks> mwallacesd: You dont. You use it separately.
[19:13] <mwallacesd> ok
[19:18] <mwallacesd> usr13, it was the best recommendation
[19:18] <mwallacesd> =)
[19:18] <ur0pl> hi
[19:18] <mwallacesd> Thanks a lot!
[19:18] <newbie123> which ISO should I download?
[19:18] <ur0pl> is there development for a ubuntu touch screen edition to compete with windows 8?
[19:18] <usr13> mwallacesd: Ok, well, just telling you how I do it.
[19:19] <mwallacesd> This way works properly, with the other way I have to work more.
[19:19] <mwallacesd> =)
[19:19] <bekks> newbie123: 12.04 LTS 64bit desktop. Or 32bit if you still have 32bit hardware.
[19:20] <newbie123> bekks: ok thanks man
[19:20] <brahdude> Does ubuntu still have network installation isos?
[19:21] <chris5000> brahdude:
[19:21] <chris5000> yes
[19:21] <chris5000> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads
[19:22] <FloodBot1> chris5000: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:22] <brahdude> Thanks.
[19:23] <subman> I'm trying to backup an encrypted dvd but it doesn't seem to work.  I'm using acidrip and I've installed everything required as per https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DVD%3A%3ARip
[19:24] <subman> would dd work better in this case?
[19:24] <lonewulf85> hello everyone having trouble with an elantech touchpad on an AO722 with Ubuntu 12.04.2lts kernel 3.5.0-39-generic
[19:24] <bekks> subman: Unencrypt it, and copy everything to your backup disk.
[19:25] <subman> bekks, the backup is to be on a hard drive.  How to unencrypt?
[19:25] <bekks> subman: Depends on how you encrypted it.
[19:25] <subman> bekks, it is a dvd movie.  I did not encrypt personally.
[19:25] <bekks> subman: Ah, so its illegal. Good luck.
[19:26] <chris5000> lonewulf85: what's the problem
[19:26] <subman> bekks, to backup is not illegal.  I own and keep the dvd
[19:26] <jarvis> hi there !
[19:27] <subman> bekks, what if my dvd gets a scratch?  Buy a new one?????
[19:27] <OerHeks> subman, the DD command i gave you  will copy, including the DRM, so what is the problem, you can still play it on ubuntu ( with restricted extra's )
[19:27] <lonewulf85> chris5000, every now and then my mouse goes unresponsive I then need to reboot to fix it, also when there is an app that needs a mouse installed it says that I do not have one.
[19:28] <subman> OerHeks, I was just trying a gui method with more option.  Your method with dd will now be tried.  Thanks.
[19:29] <crtws> subman, brasero will make an exact copy for you. Its GUI based.
[19:29] <chris5000> lonewulf85: sounds like a driverissue
[19:29] <bekks> k3b will do the same.
[19:29] <john_john> brasero gave me a corrupt live cd
[19:30] <lonewulf85> chris5000, I realize this could you assist me in solving the issue
[19:30] <bekks> john_john: You dont know wether the cd wasnt corrupted before.
[19:31] <john_john> bekks: it was a new dvd disc, I created another one with the xfce burner tool (forgot what it's called) and it worked like a charm
[19:31] <shd> i'd like to compile 32-bit program on 64-bit machine. Let's say this program needs -lXrandr. How do i install 32-bit version of this library (from packages) ?
[19:31] <bekks> john_john: Which doesnt mean that the first medium was ok.
[19:31] <john_john> bekks: it was the same medium :/
[19:32] <bekks> john_john: so you did use a cd-rw/dvd-rw?
[19:32] <john_john> bekks: that was for something else
[19:32] <bekks> john_john: You cant use a cd-r/dvd-r twice.
[19:33] <john_john> bekks: I know, you were the one who explained that to me earlier! :)
[19:33] <bekks> john_john: So your statement "it was the same medium" is not true.
[19:33] <smithzv> Embarrassingly, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio solved my problem... thanks
[19:35] <john_john> bekks: What? Why would two dvd-r discs of the exact same brand be different? The dvd-rw/r related issue I had earlier is not related to this and that was k3b not brasero
[19:35] <john_john> stahp
[19:35] <bekks> john_john: Because a single dust element may have corrupted the burning process...
[19:36] <subman> OerHeks, Thanks again.  I will stick with dd!
[19:36] <john_john> bekks: lol ok:<
[19:36] <bekks> john_john: That was no joke... :P
[19:37] <john_john> bekks: dust y u do this to me
[19:37] <shd> ok, nvm about this libs - i just had a mess in my compiled files
[19:41] <Jaskun> I was wondering if anyone could help me out with a problem I'm having with Ubuntu and VLC?
[19:42] <ElFizbanio> well can I?
[19:42] <Jaskun> Haha possibly! just the first time being on here and didn't know how to go about it
[19:44] <kostkon> Jaskun, just ask the question
[19:45] <ASHER1> i need help please
[19:45] <ASHER1> if i set this command
[19:45] <ASHER1> sudo iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT
[19:45] <ASHER1> how i remove that??
[19:46] <shd> \q
[19:46] <shd> ^^
[19:47] <Jaskun> Basically I am running ubuntu 12.04 LTS with XFCE desktop. I'm using a samsung chromebook(ARM processor), and using crouton to run it. Now i have vlc installed along with the restricted package people talk about too. Yet it won't let me play any videos no matter the extensions. It opens does not start playing, and just hangs. I have to use task manager in order to close it. I just started using Ubuntu so my knowledge is limited so I 
[19:47] <Jaskun> real silly and easy to fix. Any ideas why it would not be playing?
[19:48] <ASHER1> never mind i understand
[19:48] <kubanc> hellow! How can i disable idel state in ubuntu 12.10?
[19:50] <brad9001> hello
[19:51] <brad9001> so i set up an email server and i can send email from it but i cant recieve it, ive troubleshooted everything and i cant figure it out
[19:51] <brad9001> i cant recieve any email at all
[19:54] <Jaskun> any ideas?
[19:54] <brad9001> so i set up an email server and i can send email from it but i cant recieve it, ive troubleshooted everything and i cant figure it out i cant recieve any email at all
[19:55] <bekks> brad9001: Did you check the logs of your mail server?
[19:55] <brad9001> and how would I do that?
[19:55] <bekks> brad9001: By changing into the directory where the logs of your mailserver reside.
[19:56] <Qalqi> http://superuser.com/questions/642347/windows-drive-is-shown-as-free-space-whie-installing-ubuntu
[19:56] <Qalqi> sorry for spamming
[19:57] <Qalqi> but has anyone faced this before?
[19:57] <brad9001> @bekks no errors here
[19:57] <bekks> brad9001: Then everything would work fine.
[19:57] <brad9001> I think it might be my router
[19:58] <bekks> I dont think so.
[19:58] <bekks> brad9001: There must be some errors in your logs :)
[20:00] <brad9001> damn, will check
[20:00] <brad9001> see ya
[20:02] <Jaskun> is it just codecs on my part? I thought vlc installed them with the package though?
[20:08] <SupaYoshi> heya
[20:08] <SupaYoshi> im using samba atm for file sharing between 2 linux boxes, transfer speed is decent
[20:08] <SupaYoshi> Why should i Switch to NFS? :D
[20:10] <param> hey
[20:10] <kubanc> hellow. is it possible to disable all screen savers and idle state in ubuntu 12.04?
[20:12] <Pastafarian> Anyone know what the dev channel is?
[20:13] <Pastafarian> specifically, ubuntu server
[20:13] <param> Hello !! i installed ubuntu 13.04 , but it didn't showed wi fi drivers in it,   how to fix this ?
[20:13] <Pastafarian> param, wifi drivers are installed by default
[20:13] <mithu> unable to use wifi in ubuntu 13.04 ?
[20:13] <Pastafarian> did it work on a live disk?
[20:14] <param> yes i knw, on 12.04 it worked fine,  but in 13.04 it didnt installed by default
[20:15] <Pastafarian> param, that is highly unlikely.
[20:15] <Pastafarian> but not impossible
[20:15] <Pastafarian> does it work on a live boot?
[20:15] <param> let me check
[20:16] <colby_> Hello
[20:16] <colby_> What is this chat used for?
[20:17] <Pastafarian> colby_, read topic
[20:17] <kostkon> colby_, this channel is for ubuntu support
[20:17] <colby_> oh.......
[20:17] <colby_> Actually I do have a problem
[20:17] <colby_> How do i get windows 7 back on my laptop after a full installation of Ubuntu?
[20:18] <Pastafarian> That isn't ubuntu support. I suggest googling it.
[20:18] <Pastafarian> There are plenty of detailled web tutorials for that.
[20:18] <kostkon> Pastafarian, it is i believe
[20:18] <Pastafarian> you have got to be joking
[20:19] <kostkon> colby_, did you install ubuntu alongside windows
[20:19] <colby_> No
[20:19] <Pastafarian> hence
[20:19] <path0gen> lol
[20:19] <colby_> Full install, replaced Windows 7
[20:19] <Pastafarian> then you need to get a windows 7 disk and do a full install of windows
[20:19] <colby_> I can't
[20:19] <Pastafarian> then you cannot install windows 7
[20:19] <kostkon> colby_, you are asking help on how to install windows 7? not the best place to ask that question. nevertheless, after installing windows, you will need to restore grub
[20:19] <colby_> I don't have a CD drive, I have to use my USB
[20:20] <Pastafarian> unless you have a CD, USB and a key
[20:20] <colby_> I have a USB
[20:20] <Pastafarian> Google windows 7 usb download tool
[20:20] <Pastafarian> use that
[20:20] <kostkon> !recoveringgrub | colby_, just follow the instructions here:
[20:20] <colby_> Ohh
[20:20] <Pastafarian> and slipstream an ISO onto your pendrive
[20:20] <colby_> slipstream?
[20:20] <Pastafarian> kostkon, depends, does he want both or just win 7?
[20:20] <Pastafarian> colby_, just follow the instructions for that tool
[20:21] <Pastafarian> its easy peasy
[20:21] <colby_> Ok
[20:21] <kostkon> Pastafarian, im guessing yes
[20:21] <colby_> Bye
[20:21] <Pastafarian> do you wish to retain ubuntu at the same time ?
[20:21] <colby_> Umm
[20:21] <colby_> No
[20:21] <Pastafarian> in which case, windows 7 usb tool, plug in USB
[20:21] <Pastafarian> boot from USB
[20:21] <Pastafarian> install windows 7
[20:21] <colby_> Ok
[20:21] <Pastafarian> do you have the windows 7 iso?
[20:22] <colby_> Well I used to
[20:22] <colby_> I can get it again
[20:22] <Pastafarian> you'll need it :P
[20:22] <colby_> Using my other computer
[20:22] <Pastafarian> the other PC is windows?
[20:22] <colby_> Yes
[20:22] <Pastafarian> goodo
[20:22] <Pastafarian> that should be straightforward then
[20:23] <colby_> Ok
[20:23] <colby_> I'm gonna try it, bye
[20:29] <smaudet> jrib: I fixed my issue in the end; the problem was again in the upstart-job, the -w option is passed to rpcbind, which tells it to 'warmstart' - this doesn't make much sense on boot, where you can't have a 'warmstart', so I just added a line to detect whether or not those files existed and if not remove the -w option -voila, no more message at boot time
[20:30] <smaudet> jrib: and I'm pretty sure the warmstart file not existing isn't a problem, for one its not being read into rpcbind anyways, and for two, its only written on rpcbind termination, meaning that it contains runtime information on rpcbind, hence the term 'warmstart'
[20:31] <smaudet> jrib: going to present to the debian maintainers and hopefully get a patch out. :)
[20:32] <Dev_Antar> Hi
[20:32] <Dev_Antar> is there any way to minimize to try thunderbird
[20:32] <jrib> smaudet: cool
[20:35] <xandrea> hi guys
[20:35] <xandrea> I have some problem to configure correctly split dns on my ubuntu server 12.04
[20:36] <xandrea> I want to install zimbra and I need to set up the dns coz I'm behind a firewall
[20:37] <Avgva2> hey
[20:37] <xandrea> ciao
[20:38] <Avgva2> hi
[20:38] <xandrea> I have headache to solve that problem
[20:39] <xandrea> I cannot find where is wrong
[20:40] <marg> I followed these instructions to change from dynamic to static and now my machine will not book anymore ideas?  http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/change-ubuntu-server-from-dhcp-to-a-static-ip-address/
[20:41] <ezech> hello nice people, could you help me understanding how am I to install libstdc++.so library?
[20:41] <xandrea> marg: si .. it's corect
[20:41] <xandrea> where is the problem?
[20:41] <ezech> I'd like to be able to search package containing libstdc++.so file, so I can apt-get install it
[20:44] <syndicate> What do after a fresh Install?
[20:44] <MonkeyDust> ezech  apt-cache search libstdc*
[20:44] <marg> what does the default /etc/network/interfaces look like in standard Ubuntu desktop 13.04 with a static address?
[20:45] <blackwind_123> hi all i doenloaded ubuntu gnome 13.10... and its kinda weird...!
[20:45] <blackwind_123> its a beta version
[20:45] <ezech> MonkeyDust: thank you, that was very helpful
[20:45] <blackwind_123> do anyone share same problem...?
[20:46] <syndicate> Ubuntu has always looked weird.
[20:47] <ezech> I like how apt-cache located where this library should be, but somehow I'm still missing the exact file after installinb libstdc++6 and lib64stdc++ packages
[20:47] <ezech> can I search after the '*lib/libstdc++.so.6' filename?
[20:47] <Fyodorovna> !find libstdc++.so
[20:48] <xandrea> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/network-configuration.html
[20:48] <xandrea> marg… look above
[20:48] <ezech> Fyodorovna: well, I do have lib64stdc++6 installed already, also can I search without engaging irc #?
[20:48] <Fyodorovna> ezech,^^^
[20:49] <Fyodorovna> ezaech, not sure what you mean # is for channels
[20:50] <ezech> Fyodorovna: yes, and I want to be able to search it from within my ubuntu system, without going to #ubuntu
[20:50] <ezech> if that is even possible that is
[20:52] <marg> xandrea, look above?
[20:52] <Ampelbein> ezech: For files not installed on your system, you might find "apt-file" useful.
[20:52] <Fyodorovna> ezech, I always install synaptic that is how I search or the web.
[20:52] <xandrea> si… look this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/network-configuration.html
[20:52] <Ampelbein> ezech: Or look on packages.ubuntu.com, where you can search for package contents.
[20:53] <ezech> ok, thanks for your help
[20:55] <Daviator> Hello
[20:56] <Daviator> any one there?
[20:56] <blackwind_123> need a suggestion... ubuntu comes in many flavours
[20:56] <blackwind_123> which one is the right version for programming , speed, and ease of use
[20:57] <Daviator> I have the xubuntu and i think that this is the best choice :)
[20:57] <syndicate> I have Elementary OS, am I in the wrong room?
[20:57] <krunkpirate> +1 love xubuntu
[20:58] <krunkpirate> any distro with xfce will be good for lightweight.
[20:58] <Daviator> do xubuntu xfce?
[20:58] <syndicate> yes
[20:59] <Daviator> what the feature of xubuntu?
[20:59] <krunkpirate> its just ubuntu with xfce for the GUI XD
[21:00] <krunkpirate> mint xfce is good to and based off of ubuntu but it seemed xubuntu ran a bit smoother on older machines when i tested it.
[21:00] <Daviator> what about lubuntu ?
[21:00] <krunkpirate> havent messed with it much personally.
[21:00] <krunkpirate> you can always grab virtual box and throw up a few vms to test them.
[21:01] <Daviator> i`ll try it, but a bit later
[21:02] <Daviator> do some one what program in ubuntu is better for HTML writing?
[21:03] <EndGame> WOW
[21:03] <EndGame> wierd...
[21:04] <TheUnnamedDude> I have problem with inverted screen light, is there a way to fix that?
[21:05] <FreezedSheen> hello?
[21:05] <belkinsa> Is there any stable e-mail client that has working unity and indicator functions?
[21:05] <TheUnnamedDude> Like thunderbird?
[21:06] <justaguy> hehe, i bought an USB wifi stick today and it worked instantly on ubuntu, there was a disc coming with it for drivers for windows 7 and I was like HAHA stupid drivers , i have no problems on linux
[21:06] <belkinsa> Thunderbird doesn't what I want anymore, but yes, like it.
[21:06] <Kalel> Greetings.
[21:06] <belkinsa> does have what*
[21:06] <belkinsa> doesn't*
[21:06] <blackwind_123> one more thing i had 12.4 ubuntu... with the default logo being dispayed and with orange back ground
[21:06] <blackwind_123> which ubuntu flavor was it...?
[21:07] <blackwind_123> xubuntu or just UBUNTU...!!
[21:07] <FreezedSheen> I got a problem guys. i have a nvdia graphics card. and there are no driver for it where there are normaly. manual download links?
[21:07] <blackwind_123> or something else
[21:08] <raven> intel 82801db chipset + xubuntu 12.04 lts: no standby option. how to solve?
[21:09] <belkinsa> Well, after thought, is Thunderbird still being developed for Unity and Ubuntu?
[21:10] <Anti> hi guys i changed the resolutions via terminal using xrendr but never saved the setring now i just rebooted the pc and it fires a black screen after loading
[21:11] <Anti> can someone help me fix this
[21:12] <wilee-nilee> !xrander
[21:12] <raven> intel 82801db chipset + xubuntu 12.04 lts: no standby option. how to solve?
[21:12] <Anti> dont give me a bot pleasew just give me an answer
[21:13] <wilee-nilee> Anti, minda ah demanding eh
[21:13] <wilee-nilee> Kinda
[21:13] <Anti> sorry
[21:15] <setuid> What is supposed to go in these blank spots? http://cl.ly/image/3f3u3l0x0T2V
[21:16] <ezech> I can see my problem now, the libstdc++ library is actually installed, but in old version, I'm using 10.something LTS ubuntu, thanks for helping, I can go forward now
[21:16] <auronandace> setuid: gnome2 is no longer supported
[21:16] <setuid> auronandace, I undertstand that, this is Edgy Eft, but it's missing something
[21:16] <kostkon> setuid, wow. 6.10?
[21:17] <wilee-nilee> setuid, what does uname -a show
[21:17] <kostkon> setuid, that's not even ancient, it's palaeolithic
[21:17] <setuid> Linux ubuntu-610-64-esx-vm.gnu 2.6.17-10-generic #2 SMP Fri Oct 13 15:34:39 UTC 2006 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[21:17] <setuid> kostkon, I know, that's why it's in a VM
[21:18] <kostkon> setuid, and what is it doing in there?
[21:18] <wilee-nilee> setuid, edgy is  notupported here.
[21:18] <setuid> kostkon, Use it for testing and older development, aligning packages to these versions
[21:18] <kostkon> setuid, right
[21:19] <setuid> wilee-nilee, I get that, just wondering what package or applet might cause those 'missing' items in the screenshot above
[21:20] <Dreamscape> hello all, is there any new ubuntu version which is based on GNOME? I really dislike unity
[21:20]  * setuid still uses sawfish, no other wm comes close 
[21:20] <Kalel> I would like to enable hardware aceleration. I already have installed the latest amd beta driver. When I run the command to install the package, then it tries to reinstall fglrx... Shoud I continue? Will my fresh installed driver be uninstalled?
[21:20] <chris5000> Dreamscape: use gnom 3
[21:20] <chris5000> Dreamscape: available on any version that can run unity
[21:21] <setuid> gnome3 is a mess
[21:21] <Dreamscape> oh really? ok thanks i was unaware of tha
[21:21] <Dreamscape> that*
[21:21] <chris5000> no prob Dreamscape
[21:25] <blackwind_123> if i want to run ubuntu in text/console mode what needs to be done
[21:25] <Kalel> Did anybody saw my question?
[21:25] <chris5000> blackwind_123: ctrl+alt+f2
[21:25] <guntbert> !text | blackwind_123
[21:26] <raven> where are the command line settings to enable power management/standby?
[21:26] <guntbert> !patience | Kalel
[21:26] <blackwind_123> chris5000: thank you
[21:27] <Kalel> raven: Do you have installed tlp?
[21:27] <chris5000> blackwind_123: no problem
[21:27] <blackwind_123> guntbert:  was looking for some solution with touching the grub or any other kernel file thank oyu
[21:27] <raven> Kalel, dont think so whats that?
[21:28] <blackwind_123> chris5000: is there any way to know the flavor of ubuntu im using
[21:28] <chris5000> blackwind_123: cat /etc/issue
[21:28] <blackwind_123> thanks again
[21:28] <chris5000> np
[21:29] <Kalel> raven: Look: http://askubuntu.com/questions/285434/is-there-a-power-saving-application-similar-to-jupiter/285681#285681
[21:30] <Kalel> raven: I'm using it. My power is improved by 50%..
[21:30] <Kalel> guntbert: Patince, hã..
[21:31] <raven> Kalel, but this is not a thinkpad. ill try that anyway tnx
[21:31] <Kalel> raven: Don't matter. All laptops can accept it.
[21:32] <raven> Kalel, this is not a laptop too ;) but it has the chipset 82801db
[21:32] <cipherson> what is the ubuntu help channel?
[21:33] <Kalel> raven: Ok.. :-)
[21:33] <epsilonwasd> Hello!Does anyone here Asus N56VX? I have noticed this bug too and i dont know where can i find more info about that... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upower/+bug/1088146
[21:33] <kostkon> cipherson, you are already in it
[21:33] <tripelb> 12.04 i have some bat following my cutsor and it looks like a folder line from a directory window AND nothing i do makes it go away!! What's up?
[21:33] <Kalel> cipherson: Here..
[21:34] <Kalel> I guess... I'm waiting my 'help'..
[21:34] <kostkon> epsilonwasd, tried askubuntu?
[21:34] <tripelb> 12.04 i have some BAR following my cuRsor and it looks like a folder line from a directory window AND nothing i do makes it go away!! What's up?
[21:34] <cipherson> i see ok then :) used to mint having two channels
[21:35] <epsilonwasd> Not yet, i am looking for some info about that because everybody can confirm that but noone solve :D
[21:35] <Kalel> cipherson: On ASK UBUNTU you can search for lots answered questions..
[21:35] <epsilonwasd> I will try that! thanks
[21:35] <cipherson> Thanks Kalel, im here to help :P thats all
[21:36] <tripelb> o can click thru it on the menu but not on Install Updates.
[21:36] <belkinsa> Is there a Xchat PPA that has the more up to date version that is released from SF?
[21:37] <tripelb> i cannot shutdown either. arg.
[21:38] <MonkeyDust> what's SF ?
[21:39] <belkinsa> SourceForge
[21:40] <tripelb> 12.04 i have some BAR following my cuRsor and it looks like a folder line from a directory window AND nothing i do makes it go away!! What's up? o can click thru it on the menu but not on Install Updates. I cannot shutdown. i got it in Arxhive manager. i downloaded a GinkoCADx upgrade and was wondering how to install the program. (all i know is apt-get). help. i am getting deeper and all i wanted to do is see an x-ray.
[21:40] <kostkon> belkinsa, couldn't find any. what do you need the latest version? is there a specific reason
[21:40] <kostkon> why*
[21:41] <chris5000> tripelb: what desktop environment are you using?
[21:42] <yofun> so ermm im on debian and i am following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromLinux#Without_CD and I have a feeling I done something wrong based on this.... http://pastebin.com/BRemBesA
[21:42] <yofun> so ermm im on debian and i am following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromLinux#Without_CD and I have a feeling I done something wrong based on this.... http://pastebin.com/BRemBesA
[21:43] <yofun> ops...
[21:43] <subman> I followed this:  http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/change-ubuntu-server-from-dhcp-to-a-static-ip-address/ on my server to change from dynamic to static, but when I tried it on my 13.04 desktop, I lost my networking altogether and my machine took 15 minutes to reboot.  Also, /etc/init.d/networking restart completely locked up my machine to a black screen with just a cursor.  Any ideas?
[21:44] <tripelb> chris5000: 12.04 gnomeclassic.
[21:44] <chris5000> tripelb: sudo /etc/init.d/xdm restart
[21:44]  * tripelb is on amdroid here
[21:45] <chris5000> tripelb: /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[21:45] <chris5000> sorry
[21:46] <tripelb> chris5000: i cant click on terminal. poerebutton coming up. what is this mystery? (here i am on phone)
[21:46] <smaudet> Hehe, I'm kinda glad I went into my system to find this obscure bug, in the process of reporting it and finding fixes for stuff, I've indentified about 15 bugs so far on my system. X_X
[21:47] <tikibortxu>  /nick triii:tvbruu
[21:47] <yofun> okay im on debian. can I download a ubuntu file and make it boot at start?
[21:48] <yofun> on the harddrive?
[21:48] <tripelb> smaudet: kudos
[21:49] <auronandace> yofun: you can make grub boot from an iso file (don't ask me how though)
[21:49] <yofun> auronandace:  well can you point me where I could figure out how to add another option to the grub menu?
[21:49] <auronandace> !grub | yofun
[21:50] <chris5000> tripelb: go into text only with ctrl alt f2 and type that command in
[21:53] <anti> hi guys i really need help setting my display correct i cant boot in ubuntu it just boot and shows a black srceen
[21:54] <subman> Now that I've rebooted, /dev/sr0 does not point to my dvd player, ideas?
[21:54] <anti> before this happend i set my display up using xrandr
[21:54] <anti> can someone tell me how i can set back to default setting
[21:54] <wiak> how do i tweak ubuntu so it wont freeze when i encode a video?
[21:54] <anti> using ubuntu recovery
[21:56] <subman> Ok, let me ask another way, how do I locate my dvd drive?
[21:57] <wiak> wont dmesg tell you?
[21:57] <wiak> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-find-out-the-name-of-dvd-cd-rom-writer-blu-ray-device/
[21:57] <wiak> :)
[21:57] <wiak> subman
[21:58] <subman> wiak, dmesg | grep dvd shows nothing
[21:59] <wiak> try the link
[21:59] <subman> wiak, and I need the /dev/xxx name
[21:59] <wiak> dmesg | egrep -i --color 'cdrom|dvd|cd/rw|writer' ?
[21:59] <subman> wiak, sr0 is not working
[21:59] <wiak> broken drive?
[21:59] <belkinsa> Does anyone know if a lastest build of Thunderbird has indicator functions (bubble mainly) working again?
[21:59] <subman> wiak, it mounts
[21:59] <subman> wiak, and worked before reboot.
[21:59] <tripelb> chris5000: i am on phone or tethered to phone. on 12.04 i cant go freenode because i dont have a client with sasl. i have been trying xchat irssi pidgin andchat adium conversation. cant figure bitchz or kvirc, what they run on how to install. but no success so far. i cant be the lone ranger.
[22:00] <tripelb> chris5000:  did not mean yo have ur name there.
[22:01] <wiak> any dvd in it subman? did you try other mounting methods?
[22:01] <subman> wiak, that link only gives the name, not the location.  If that is the right wording
[22:01] <subman> wiak, mounted fine
[22:02] <subman> wiak, I can open it in file manager
[22:02] <wiak> hmm
[22:02] <wiak> meybe the dvd disc is borked?
[22:02] <wiak> did you try another dvd disc or something
[22:02] <wiak> hmm
[22:03] <An_Ony_Moose> Is it possible to install ubuntu on a Macbook Pro without a CD or USB stick? (debootstrap comes to mind...)
[22:03] <subman> wiak, I'm watching the movie now
[22:04] <wiak> subman good luck
[22:04] <wiak> ^^
[22:04] <subman> Thanks!
[22:05] <wiak> meybe its locked becuse you are watching it?
[22:05] <subman> Nope, tried that
[22:08] <iUnify> Hey guys, I can't find a way to remove the Workspaces icon from the Launcher - which I had done in the past.  Also, I figured it best to ask the RIGHT way to do this.
[22:08] <tripelb> if i use ctl alt f2 to go to a shell, how do i return to gui?
[22:08] <OerHeks> subman, i think you need to unmount the dvd before performing a DD
[22:09] <matrixa1> Does anyone know if there's an ubuntu PPA with Intel ICC v14 compiled kernels?
[22:09] <Luyin> tripelb: ctrl alt F7
[22:09] <OerHeks> tripelb, ctrl alt F7
[22:09] <MonkeyDust> iUnify  try unity-tweak-tool
[22:10] <iUnify> ah, thats what I used!  THANKS!  :D
[22:10] <wilee-nilee> matrixa1, Niether would be supported here.
[22:10] <matrixa1> wilee-nilee, due to icc being a close sourced compiler?
[22:10] <iUnify> Also, I installed the Wikipedia lens for the Unity search... how does that work???  I don't get it?  I've not yet logged out/restarted....
[22:11] <Luyin> iUnify: I think you have to
[22:11] <subman> OerHeks, I tried a few unmount/remount cycles and it just does not work
[22:11] <kostkon> iUnify, what version?
[22:11] <wilee-nilee> matrixa1, PPA's are not nor not stock kernels for releases, technically is all, does not mean no one will help though.
[22:11] <kostkon> iUnify, of ubuntu
[22:12] <subman> OerHeks, oh, here we go.  Now the magic is happening.  Very, very strange
[22:12] <Turkey-Hellas> I need help with XChat
[22:12] <wilee-nilee> Turkey-Hellas, try #xchat
[22:12] <Turkey-Hellas> thanks
[22:14] <iUnify> kostkon: 12.04 - also, it was unable to find unity-tweak-tool in software center and also with "sudo apt-get install unity-tweak-tool
[22:14] <iUnify> forgot the other quote, sorry
[22:15] <iUnify> MonkeyDust: unable to find unity-tweak-tool in software center and also with "sudo apt-get install unity-tweak-tool"
[22:16] <wilee-nilee> iUnify, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2158574
[22:17] <OerHeks> !find tweak
[22:17] <wilee-nilee> iUnify, earliest version I see is 12.10
[22:17] <OerHeks> wilee-nilee +1
[22:21] <MonkeyDust> iUnify  is that 12.04? i guess you have to look for myUnity, maybe a ppa
[22:23] <subman> OerHeks, that dd command does not really work with most dvd's now.  I've tried it on about 3 in a row now.  The disks work in dvd players, and can be watched on the same machine but dd fails.
[22:25] <wilee-nilee> subman, probably will work on a not formatted dvd
[22:25] <subman> wilee-nilee, It is a movie
[22:26] <wilee-nilee> subman, You pulling it off the dvd, I was think dd'ing to.
[22:26] <wilee-nilee> thinking*
[22:27] <subman> wilee-nilee, no, it fails
[22:27] <iUnify> Hmm, I see nothing to make this change.... to get rid of the Workspace Switcher in 12.04.  I can't upgrade either cause it stops working.
[22:27] <wilee-nilee> iUnify, You looked in compiz?
[22:28] <wilee-nilee> at least to limit the desktops amounts
[22:28] <iUnify> what is compiz?
[22:29] <wilee-nilee> iUnify, It is the desktop manager, unity is a plugin in it.
[22:29] <wilee-nilee> !compiz | iUnify
[22:30] <wilee-nilee> iUnify, I'm not sure you can remove the workspace switcher, but you can control the amount of workspaces
[22:30] <subman> wilee-nilee, it seems my dvd player must be the problem as it is failing now on ever disk.  Brand new though.
[22:31] <subman> wilee-nilee, and I can watch the very same dvd
[22:31] <iUnify> damn i dont want to use workspaces at all
[22:31] <wilee-nilee> subman, I have not followed your situation fully, I just saw the dd problem.
[22:31] <iUnify> i want to havethe icon gone namely though
[22:31] <MonkeyDust> iUnify  set the number to 1
[22:31] <subman> wilee-nilee, no problem
[22:32] <iUnify> MonkeyDust: from where?
[22:32] <MonkeyDust> iUnify  not sure where in 12.04
[22:32] <iUnify> Me either....
[22:32] <wilee-nilee> iUnify, try ccsm in the terminal to see the simple compiz control
[22:33] <dougbb> iUnify: what icon are you talking about? compiz itself doesn't come with icons, that would likely be produced by whatever desktop environment you're using
[22:34] <iUnify> wilee-nilee: ccsm???
[22:34] <wilee-nilee> iUnify, or install compizconfig-settings-manager
[22:34] <dougbb> wilee-nilee: that's probably not his issue
[22:34] <wilee-nilee> !ccsm
[22:34] <wilee-nilee> iUnify, I don't use unity so my info is not exact, some of this you have to figure out at times.
[22:35] <wilee-nilee> dougbb, He wants one desktop you would do it in compiz
[22:35] <dougbb> wilee-nilee: right, but he mentioned getting rid of some icon
[22:35] <Avgva2> hey
[22:36] <wilee-nilee> dougbb, he already did right?
[22:36] <dougbb> if you can't switch between workspaces, then the number of workspaces isn't an issue :)  The question is, what icon is he talking about
[22:37] <wilee-nilee> dougbb, he does not want to switch
[22:37] <[Fudge]> any channel for development using the ubuntu SDK?
[22:37] <ottalo> !help
[22:37] <ottalo> i need cpanel
[22:38] <wilee-nilee> ottalo, what is cpanel?
[22:38] <CADRE> Hey all. I'm trying to setup eCryptfs on Ubuntu and it's giving me hell. I had it generate a wrapped passphrase for me, but I can't seem to see what or where it is. It says the setup is finished and I should restart, but I don't want to do that until I know I've got my passphrase so I don't get forever locked out.
[22:38] <ottalo> hosting site
[22:38] <wilee-nilee> ottalo, Not a ubuntu issue, its a 3rd party.
[22:39] <ottalo> yeap
[22:39] <bekks> cpanel is not a "hosting site" - it is a software for administering and provisioning websites.
[22:39] <ottalo> dont knw if you can helpme
[22:39] <tripelb> the password used to unlock your computer no longer matches the password in your keyring.  HELP HELP a lost girl.
[22:39] <bekks> ottalo: If you need it, then please refer to the cpanel support.
[22:39] <ottalo> how can i do that bro
[22:40] <wilee-nilee> tripelb, use your backup.
[22:40] <bekks> ottalo: I'm not your bro - and cpanel has its own website and support.
[22:40] <ottalo> ok
[22:40] <john_john> bekks: Am I your bro? <:
[22:40] <ottalo> nop
[22:40] <tripelb> what do you refer to wilee-nilee
[22:40] <ottalo> thats how i call friends
[22:41] <john_john> :<
[22:41] <ottalo> dont be mad at me
[22:41] <wilee-nilee> tripelb, The backup of the OS you should have for just this sort of situation, preferably a clone.
[22:41] <tripelb> bro dude friend citizen comrade darling = hey pal
[22:43] <Avgva2> back
[22:43] <wilee-nilee> CADRE, why are you encrypting?
[22:44] <reisio> wilee-nilee: spy
[22:45] <dougbb> CADRE: you have backups of all your data that you're encrypting, right?
[22:45] <tripelb> wilee-nilee: i have no back up amd never heard a should. i guess you dont know how to change it.
[22:45] <dougbb> CADRE: Also, I've had very good results with truecrypt, you may want to consider using it instead
[22:45] <wilee-nilee> reisio, even they have the tinfoil fez eh.
[22:45] <bekks> tripelb: So you changed your password, did you?
[22:45] <reisio> made from real tin, not aluminium
[22:45] <iUnify> WHen it says to edit " /apps/metacity/general" etc in gedit, how do I do that?
[22:45] <iUnify> I cant open that area/find it
[22:45] <tripelb> wilee-nilee: that sounds like windows
[22:45] <wilee-nilee> tripelb, I don't no, good sense just says always have a backup is all. ;)
[22:46] <reisio> iUnify: gconf-editor, probably, not gedit
[22:46] <wilee-nilee> tripelb, What backups, lol.
[22:46] <tripelb> bekks that i did.
[22:47] <wilee-nilee> tripelb, I started on open source for the record.
[22:47] <tripelb> belks i tried what i remembered but noooo
[22:47] <bekks> tripelb: Then the password in your keyring does not match the password to unlock your computer anymore. The first is the old password, the second the new one.
[22:48] <SupYoshi> does anybody know a good network mapping tool with webui like ntop?
[22:48] <bekks> SupYoshi: ntop is not a mapping tool at all.
[22:48] <bekks> SupYoshi: Do you mean nmap?
[22:48] <tripelb> bekks. what can i do? change it? kill the old one entirely? clone my user (ugh)?
[22:49] <iUnify> Reisio: Thanks, man.
[22:50] <tripelb> belks i meant can i erase yhe keyring and begin again? all it does is hold my passwords right?
[22:50] <bekks> tripelb: I guess you can change it, yes.
[22:51] <tripelb> bekks, ok. what do i do first?
[22:51] <bekks> tripelb: http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2011/10/change-login-keyring-password/
[22:53] <smaudet> jrib: patch submitted - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rpcbind/+bug/1222274
[22:56]  * adom waves to everyone.
[22:56] <jrib> smaudet: nice work.  You might want to poke #upstart
[22:56] <tripelb> bekks asks for old password to change. is there a sudo override?
[22:56] <usr13> tripelb: There's not one.
[22:57] <ghostx562> hello fellers, quick question, when starting up my laptop with ubuntu 13.04 before it gets to the ubuntu screen, a black screen pops up and it says something about attaching a card, can i hide that screen?
[22:57] <kostkon> ghostx562, only if you fix the error/warning
[22:57] <usr13> tripelb: My advise is to get rid of the keyring thing and just do without it.
[22:57] <reisio> ghostx562: "something"? :p
[22:57] <kostkon> usr13, not a good advice
[22:57] <ghostx562> kostkon, i will reboot and see what the message is.
[22:57] <usr13> kostkon: Why not?
[22:58] <kostkon> usr13, a lot of software depends of the gnome keyring
[22:58] <kostkon> on*
[22:58] <ghostx562> reisio, will reboot to see what it is.
[22:58] <usr13> kostkon: If he no longer has a password to it, what good is it?
[22:58] <jrib> create a new keyring, no?
[22:58] <usr13> kostkon: What software depends on it?
[22:58] <adom> QUESTION: is there an easy way to see how many desktops Ubuntu is currently using? a config file somewhere or a command i can output to check? using gnome+cairo-dock on ubuntu 13.04.
[22:59] <usr13> kostkon: Give an example.
[22:59] <kostkon> usr13, a lot trust me. e.g. network manager
[22:59] <usr13> kostkon: Try again.
[22:59] <smaudet> jrib: good idea
[23:00] <reisio> adom: wmctrl -l | grep Desktop | wc -l, probably
[23:00] <kostkon> usr13, why try again?
[23:00] <reisio> adom: mmm, maybe not
[23:01] <usr13> kostkon: Because network-manager does not depend on the keyring application.
[23:01] <ghostx562> reisio, says: INFO  cfg80211_attach : Registered CFG80211 phy
[23:01] <reisio> ghostx562: that's to do with wireless, I believe
[23:02] <usr13> tripelb: I think the package name is just gnome-keyring and you can safely uninstall it.
[23:02] <reisio> ghostx562: and therefore, possibly to do with networkmanager
[23:02] <usr13> kostkon: If you have a better solution for tripelb, please tell him.
[23:03] <ghostx562> reisio, i experience no issues with networking/wireless, only a slower boot time
[23:04] <reisio> ghostx562: right, but something seems to be checking for something to do with wireless
[23:04] <reisio> so it may be a case of a default configuration to please most users, which you can modify
[23:05] <ghostx562> might be a driver issue im thinking.
[23:05] <reisio> there's a lot of 80211 stuff in the kernel
[23:05] <usr13> tripelb: I think you can just go to System-> Preferences-> Startup Applications and uncheck gnome-keyring
[23:05] <ghostx562> i won't mess with it, it doesn't bother me too much
[23:05] <ghostx562> i don't want to mess with it and be stuck without wireless
[23:05] <jrib> tripelb, usr13: is there a reason not to just create a new keyring?
[23:06] <SupYoshi> frt
[23:06] <barrett> does the exclude option on rsync just match strings anywhere in a path?  I want to exclude a folder "Torrent" in the copied directory, but if I do --exclude "Torrent" will it also exclude a file in another folder called fooTorrent?
[23:07] <reisio> barrett: I'm sure you can test that yourself
[23:07] <dougbb> barrett: best to experiment with the dry-run option
[23:07] <jrib> barrett: also, the man page is pretty detailed
[23:08] <usr13> tripelb: Looks like you can re-set gnome-keyring.  See:  http://askubuntu.com/questions/65281/how-to-recover-reset-forgotten-gnome-keyring-password
[23:08] <dougbb> getting exclude syntax right is tricky, but generally the answer to your question is "no," however it depends on the paths you use in the rsync command
[23:08] <Dr_Willis> id be suprised if the default was to match *Torrent* for exclusion
[23:09] <Extreminador> hi guys
[23:09] <blackwind_123> YouCompleteMe unavailable: requires Vim 7.3.584+.... i cant upgrade my vim....!
[23:09] <Dr_Willis> !info vim
[23:09] <mr-rich-76> Anyonne else have issues with autohide with the launcher?
[23:10] <mr-rich-76> 13.04
[23:10] <Dr_Willis> what issues?
[23:10] <usr13> !info gnome-keyring
[23:10] <Agarrado> !info yomomma
[23:10] <usr13> "is optional"
[23:11] <mr-rich-76> Dr_Willis: launcher not re-appearing sometimes
[23:11] <Agarrado> !info higan
[23:11] <pac1> looking for AndersG
[23:11] <Agarrado> !info hygan
[23:11] <Agarrado> meh
[23:11] <wizbit> hi
[23:12] <blackwind_123> Dr_Willis: am using 12.10  , and my vim got stuck in 7.3 version , dosent matter how many times i reinstall it///
[23:12] <wizbit> im a windows user thinking about upgrading to ubuntu, am i in the right place?
[23:12] <blackwind_123> any idea why it is so , because of this i cant use YMC module
[23:12] <Dr_Willis> wizbit:  this is ubuntu support - so yes.
[23:12] <reisio> wizbit: yup
[23:12] <jrib> blackwind_123: you have the latest version in the repository.
[23:12] <Agarrado> yes you are wizbit
[23:12] <[Gentoo]> wizbit: well you can ask questions in here
[23:12] <wizbit> excellent, i hear ubuntu is free of viruses?
[23:12] <usr13> wizbit: Do you have a question about Ubuntu?
[23:12] <Dr_Willis> blackwind_123:  perhaps thats the only version in the 12.10 repos.
[23:12] <usr13> wizbit: True
[23:12] <[Gentoo]> wizbit: yes
[23:12] <Agarrado> False
[23:13] <reisio> wizbit: close enough
[23:13] <usr13> !virus | wizbit
[23:13] <wizbit> they guy who invented ubuntu is a clever guy!! :-)
[23:13] <Dr_Willis> wizbit:  viruses in general are not an issue with any linux disrtobution
[23:13] <reisio> wizbit: yes, they were clever
[23:13] <wizbit> am i right in thinking that ubuntu will not spy on me like windows?
[23:13] <usr13> wizbit: (As you can see, some are not convinced, but yes, you are correct.
[23:13] <reisio> wizbit: pretty much
[23:13] <usr13> wizbit: Correct again.
[23:13] <Agarrado> i don't know about that
[23:13] <Obi1> hello
[23:13] <blackwind_123> Dr_Willis:
[23:14] <wizbit> excellent, spy proof and no viruses :-)
[23:14] <blackwind_123>  but vim doesnt depends on the repo right...
[23:14] <Dr_Willis> wizbit:  depends on what you define as spying. It does/can give feedback to the developers and have web site search  hits  by default
[23:14] <Agarrado> SElinux being from NSA
[23:14] <reisio> wizbit: there is an application installed by default that helps sell you things from amazon, but that's not really the same, and can be uninstalled
[23:14] <Dr_Willis> 'spy proof' is a bit vague.
[23:14] <[Gentoo]> Agarrado: ubuntu dont use selinux
[23:14] <dougbb> wizbit: define "spy"  ... what types of things are you concerned about?
[23:14] <reisio> it does not 'phone home' in ways you wouldn't approve of
[23:14] <usr13> Agarrado: Really?
[23:14] <reisio> it's free, so has less use for that :p
[23:14] <[Gentoo]> does it?
[23:14] <wizbit> i heard that ubuntu never changes its file hierachy, it always stays the same with every release?
[23:14] <wizbit> so people can learn linux?
[23:14] <Dr_Willis> wizbit:  you can most likely use ubuntu and not worry about most security issues you fight with on windows
[23:15] <reisio> wizbit: mostly, the Unix filesystem hierarchy is quite old and standardized
[23:15] <Dr_Willis> wizbit:  ubuntu is linux.  theres been slight changes to the filesystem layout over the years
[23:15] <john_john> Conky is ubuntu related, right?
[23:15] <Extreminador> guys where can i change the number of work areas ?
[23:15] <wizbit> ace :-) im looking forward to wiping windows and upgrading
[23:15] <reisio> john_john: very peripherally :p
[23:15] <usr13> wizbit: Some of it changes a little, but yes, basically the same.  (It is a much more organized structur than what you are used to.)
[23:15] <reisio> Extreminador: in ordinary Ubuntu?
[23:15] <Dr_Willis> wizbit:  you learn the fundamentals of linux and they should apply to most disrtos
[23:15] <Agarrado> do it wizbit
[23:15] <Extreminador> reisio, yup
[23:15] <Agarrado> the only thing you'll miss are the games
[23:16] <Obi1> hi <Dr_Willis>
[23:16] <Dr_Willis> wizbit:  test with a live cd. or install to a usb flash drive to play with it for a few days - is a good idea.
[23:16] <reisio> you might not miss the games, even
[23:16] <john_john> reisio: so I installed conky and created a file in my home directory, when I launch conky in the terminal it seems to start but I can't see anything on the desktop :<
[23:16] <Dr_Willis> wizbit:  and be sur you got backups in case you decide to go back for some reason
[23:16] <wizbit> amazing how somebody invented ubuntu, lots of hard work must of gone into that
[23:16] <[Gentoo]> john_john: use conky -c /config
[23:16] <usr13> wizbit: There were some changes in how/where the initialization scripts were stored and started, but, not a major overhall.
[23:16] <[Gentoo]> if its not in the right place
[23:16] <reisio> john_john: I forget if the default Unity desktop even shows files
[23:16] <mork> youll miss games, business applications, video editing, and about fifty other things, like ease of use
[23:17] <Dr_Willis> john_john:  how are you starting conky? theres the conky-manager tool on webupd8 or the omgubuntu site that makes getting conky going trivial. and easy to theme
[23:17] <wizbit> at least ubuntu doesnt copy anything, like microsofot
[23:17] <Agarrado> it's getting better though
[23:17] <wizbit> soft
[23:17] <reisio> Extreminador: I think you'll want to install ccsm and use that to change it
[23:17] <Obi1> is any way to have gnome 3 to have insaled options simmilar to gnome 2
[23:17] <usr13> wizbit: Yes, lots of work by lots of folks, (the developer base is world-wide, not just some company).
[23:17] <dougbb> wizbit, you may find it easier to install ubuntu to dual-boot with windows, that way if you find something critical that you cannot do in ubuntu you can still get it done in windows if you have to
[23:17] <reisio> mork: nanu nanu
[23:17] <Agarrado> the only thing keeping me from full linux usage is League Of Legends
[23:17] <mork> shuzzbut
[23:17] <wizbit> ubuntu is original, not like windows :-)
[23:17] <Dr_Willis> Obi1:  the latest gnome3 (3.8?) has some sort of gnome-2 theme/look i belive.
[23:17] <reisio> Obi1: yes, but it's not a walk in the park
[23:17] <usr13> Agarrado: What is League of Legends?
[23:17] <wizbit> ubuntu built from scratch :-)
[23:17] <reisio> Obi1: it's much simpler to get Xfce to behave like GNOME 2
[23:17] <Agarrado> a online game
[23:18] <usr13> Agarrado: Oh, a game.  Ok.
[23:18] <[Gentoo]> Dr_Willis: its just classic mode
[23:18] <Extreminador> reisio,  does the software is called ccsm ?
[23:18] <Obi1> ok
[23:18] <mork> youll also lose things like apple itunes
[23:18] <john_john> THank you Dr_willis I'll try that asap
[23:18] <[Gentoo]> dont forget quicktime
[23:18] <mork> so your apple devices wont work
[23:18] <reisio> wizbit: well, Ubuntu is a derivative of a Unix clone; Windows is a derivative of OpenVMS, basically
[23:18] <Dr_Willis> wizbit:  not really.   ubuntu built up from work other linux disrots and devs and people have done over the years. with a lot of added in. thats how linux works
[23:18] <Agarrado> i think there's some package to deal with apple devices
[23:18] <Obi1> i try enlightment but darn thing won` display everything
[23:18] <usr13> mork: Apple devices won't work?
[23:18] <reisio> Extreminador: compiz config... settings manager, something like that
[23:18] <Agarrado> at least with the filesystem
[23:18] <john_john> and reisio
[23:18] <mork> ok
[23:18] <reisio> Extreminador: I think it's called ccsm in the repos
[23:18] <mork> ive searched, havent found any
[23:18] <wizbit> ubuntu is unix
[23:18] <Dr_Willis> !ccsm
[23:18] <reisio> Extreminador: if you can't find it by that string, just search for compiz
[23:18] <wizbit> ubuntu is the king of unix
[23:19] <usr13> wizbit: Linux
[23:19] <wizbit> ok
[23:19] <wizbit> ubuntu is the king of linux
[23:19] <reisio> it's pretty popular
[23:19] <Dr_Willis> wizbit:  ubuntu is LINUX.    Linux is UNIX-Like in design
[23:19] <usr13> wizbit: Unix is a bit different.
[23:19] <mork> it doesnt matter anyway, i keep a battered winxp machine in my garage for such things
[23:19] <Extreminador> reisio, forget... last time i mess with compiz i broke unbutu completely and have to install it again
[23:19] <wizbit> we should crown the guy who invented linux and ubuntu
[23:19] <usr13> wizbit: ... but very similar
[23:19] <usr13> wizbit: They did.
[23:19] <kostkon> Extreminador, what ver of ubuntu?
[23:19] <Dr_Willis> Extreminador:  all you needed to do was reset your users setting files.. not reinsgtall.. thats your windows training kicking in
[23:19] <reisio> Extreminador: you rarely need to reinstall a Unix system, you should've come here for help :)
[23:19] <usr13> wizbit: ... just teasing.
[23:20] <Extreminador> reisio, i have...
[23:20] <usr13> wizbit: But it is pretty cool.  Try it and see.
[23:20] <reisio> Extreminador: should've, I was saying FFR :)
[23:20] <Extreminador> reisio, i was here when that happen and it was
[23:20] <wizbit> ubuntu is the king of linux
[23:20] <reisio> Extreminador: ah okay
[23:20] <reisio> well hopefully they didn't tell you to reinstall, heh
[23:20] <Agarrado> extreminador es tuga?
[23:20] <Extreminador> reisio, it was something with the grafic card or something
[23:20] <Extreminador> Agarrado, yes i am
[23:20] <Agarrado> xD
[23:21] <usr13> wizbit: distrowatch.com
[23:21] <Dr_Willis> standard trouble shooting  path -> make a new user. see if they have same issue.. if they dont.. then its a problem with the problem user settings file. that are easially removed
[23:21] <Dr_Willis> !manual | wizbit
[23:21] <wizbit> ace
[23:21] <Extreminador> reisio, i sm sure that we can use dconf for this (about the number os workspaces)
[23:21] <Extreminador> reisio, i will look for the option
[23:21] <reisio> maybe
[23:22] <usr13> wizbit: There are many others but none have a more sopisticated package management system and none are more well supported.
[23:22] <kostkon> Extreminador, there is already an option for it in appearance, if you are using 13.04
[23:22] <wizbit> one day i would like to create a linux distro and make money out of it
[23:22] <Extreminador> kostkon, humm let me check
[23:22] <john_john> dr_willis: hmm when I try to add the repositories it gives me "IndexError: list index out of range"
[23:22] <reisio> wizbit: heh
[23:22] <bekks> wizbit: Good luck with it. :>
[23:23] <wizbit> nothing wrong with making cash
[23:23] <Dr_Willis> john_john:  unusual. whats the exact command you are using to add the repos?
[23:23] <Extreminador> kostkon, forget i am using 13.02
[23:23] <bekks> wizbit: You should learn about the linux licenses before. :)
[23:23] <wizbit> ok
[23:23] <john_john> Dr_willis: nevermind tried a command from another guide and it added fine
[23:23] <wizbit> i could call my distro ubuntu-extreme, if they let me :d
[23:23] <Dr_Willis> wizbit:  good luck making any $$  ;)   thats sort of a main selling point  - the core of the os is free.
[23:24] <wizbit> money is my main focus, im not that bothered about the content
[23:24] <Dr_Willis> wizbit:  so do you have an actual support question?  theres #ubuntu-offtopic for chitchat
[23:24] <Extreminador> wizbit, found it org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences
[23:24] <Agarrado> wizbit try g4p
[23:24] <Agarrado> xD
[23:24] <dougbb> wizbit: if you want a Unix-like OS to use as a basis for a commercial product a BSD system has a much more friendly license, although there is a steeper learning curve
[23:24] <mork> i want an ubuntu without the soying IMO
[23:24] <mork> spying
[23:24] <wizbit> most users like fancy GUI, thats enough :d
[23:24] <bekks> mork: There is no such spying.
[23:25] <Dr_Willis> ive not seen any spying.. so i guess its done.
[23:25] <Dr_Willis> ;)
[23:25] <ozette> hi, how can i install packages from sources that can not be verified because there's no public key available? I can't update anything right now..
[23:25] <wizbit> im going to create a fancy gui linux distro based on something else (because i dont have the know how) and try and make lots of cash out of it
[23:25] <mork> i dont want anyone collecting info, ,  even if its anonymously used
[23:25] <reisio> wizbit: you can actually sell copies of Ubuntu as it is
[23:25] <Pastafarian> linux distro
[23:25] <Pastafarian> >money
[23:25] <bekks> wizbit: Do you have an actual ubuntu support question?
[23:25] <Pastafarian> good luck
[23:25] <Dr_Willis> wizbit:  so do you have an actual support question?  theres #ubuntu-offtopic for chitchat....
[23:26] <kostkon> ozette, common error on some mirrors, try checking for updates again
[23:26] <bekks> mork: Then deinstall the software you dont like.
[23:26] <mork> i dont know how :(
[23:26] <ozette> kostkon, aha
[23:26] <Agarrado> package manager
[23:26] <wizbit> im thinking i could call this distro winbuntu
[23:26] <bekks> mork: Uninstall the shopping lenses using your package manager.
[23:26] <Dr_Willis> mork:  so you really dont know enough about the system to know what its doing sounds like.
[23:26] <Dr_Willis> !noads
[23:27] <mork> thanks
[23:27] <wizbit> winbuntu - based on debian
[23:27] <mork> thats a good ideas
[23:27] <mork> if i uninstall that it wont "break" everything?
[23:27] <Agarrado> winian
[23:27] <Agarrado> xD
[23:27] <Agarrado> no mork
[23:27] <bekks> mork: No.
[23:27] <mork> ta
[23:27] <wizbit> i could get credit from all those clever people who put hard work into code
[23:27] <Dr_Willis> !adlens
[23:28] <Dr_Willis> my wife likes the shoppiong lens.. makes it easier for her to spend my paycheck
[23:28] <qin> haha
[23:28] <Agarrado> beta
[23:28] <Dr_Willis> 13.10 does some MAJOR improvements in the lens management area also. ;)
[23:28] <reisio> heh
[23:28] <ozette> kostkon, odd, apt-get check says nothing out of the ordinary, and an update still gives me the NO_PUBKEY
[23:29] <mork> it makes it easier for me to spend, and make financial contributions to ubuntu causes
[23:29] <dougbb> or, you know, just don't use lens?
[23:29] <Pastafarian> adlense is like normal packaged malware crap you get with a default windows install
[23:29] <Pastafarian> should ask, not default install
[23:29] <Dr_Willis> Pastafarian:  its not malware.
[23:29] <mork> point taken, men
[23:30] <Pastafarian> It's ok, they'll just leak anything you search in it ofc/
[23:30] <bekks> Pastafarian: Which is not true.
[23:30] <Pastafarian> I used to.
[23:30] <Pastafarian> it*
[23:30] <Agarrado> just uninstall it
[23:30] <bekks> Pastafarian: Which is not true, too.
[23:30] <Agarrado> or install a spinoff of ubuntu
[23:30] <Agarrado> kubuntu
[23:30] <Agarrado> xubuntu
[23:30] <Pastafarian> I do
[23:30] <Dr_Willis> BubbaBuntu
[23:31] <Pastafarian> just like I re install windows every time I get one
[23:31] <Agarrado> the lens come only with the default one, right?
[23:31] <Agarrado> *comes
[23:31] <Pastafarian> still, its the same packaging crap you get with some installers
[23:31] <bekks> Pastafarian: I never got one - so rethink your approach.
[23:31] <Agarrado> just a easily deletable package
[23:31] <Pastafarian> you never got pre installed crap with windows on a new machine?
[23:31] <Dr_Willis> i think the search lens features are  being looked at by some of the other variants as a feature. but ive not paied muich attention to the  chats
[23:32] <bekks> Pastafarian: Correct.
[23:32] <Dr_Willis> Pastafarian:  its not the 'same' - so stop with the ranting
[23:32] <Pastafarian> ;)
[23:32] <Pastafarian> no its just a toolbar
[23:32] <bekks> It isnt.
[23:32] <Pastafarian> no its worse :P
[23:32] <Pastafarian> its not browser only
[23:32] <bekks> Pastafarian: Whatever. Stop ranting.
[23:33] <Dr_Willis> !fud
[23:33] <Agarrado> what do you guys play now on Ubuntu?
[23:34] <Dr_Willis> bbl. got to work at my real job..
[23:34] <Agarrado> i used to play Urban Terror but got boring quickly
[23:34] <mork> i got a shock the otherday, i thought i was anonymous somewhere, and this guy basically knew my name and where i lived
[23:34] <mork> i was horrified
[23:34] <Agarrado> waiting for shadorun returns now
[23:34] <Agarrado> *shadowrun
[23:34] <Pastafarian> so EFF published lies?
[23:34] <Pastafarian> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/10/privacy-ubuntu-1210-amazon-ads-and-data-leaks
[23:34] <ozette> is there an apt-get or package manager channel?
[23:36] <bekks> Pastafarian: Read the "How to Disable Amazon Ads and Data Leaks" section before spreading FUD please.
[23:36] <mork> people that look at peoples ip's are a worry
[23:36] <Agarrado> explain that better mork
[23:36] <usr13> ozette: I don't think so.  What do you need?
[23:36] <reisio> ozette: not really, but you could talk to the #debian people (on oftc for the official channel), if you want to talk specifically about things related to it
[23:36] <mork> well, why would you do it?
[23:36] <mork> whats the point?
[23:36] <bekks> mork: Using a public ip - you should be aware you are using a public ip.
[23:37] <bekks> mork: And it has nothing to do with ubuntu.
[23:37] <Pastafarian> my issue is not that it can do it, not that it can be disabled, it is that its on by default.
[23:37] <ozette> usr13, reisio, ok, well thanks
[23:37] <mork> im aware, but whats the point of looking at somones ip?
[23:37] <iUnify> Hey guys, how do I hide the filesystem (looks like a plugged in usb drive) from my Launcher in 12.04?  I've done this before and forgotten how.... thanks!! :)
[23:37] <Agarrado> you can check what services they are running
[23:37] <ozette> i can't update my llvm related packages because the source can't be verified
[23:37] <bekks> Pastafarian: Then create you install image where it is off by default.
[23:37] <Pastafarian> iUnify, you mean it displayed on the desktop?
[23:38] <ozette> it's a nightly
[23:38] <Agarrado> or check where he lives
[23:38] <reisio> iUnify: you could add it to fstab with the noauto option
[23:38] <reisio> iUnify: to /etc/fstab
[23:38] <ozette> from here: http://llvm.org/apt/
[23:38] <smaudet> So I figured out what that poor fellow with the graphics driver's problems was yesterday - I completely forgot that dpkg will in fact read stuff from the current directory regardless of the switches you give it, so i.e. dpkg -l myfile will look for myfile in the current directory before looking in its database....
[23:38] <Pastafarian> Agarrado, geoip is about at accurate at 50km
[23:38] <smaudet> not a 'major issue' but certainly a critically confusing one
[23:39] <reisio> -l?
[23:39] <bekks> Pastafarian: It is accurate up to < 1km.
[23:39] <smaudet> dpkg -l package - lists installed packages by the name of 'package'
[23:39] <Pastafarian> Dunno what sources you've been using because it's complete shite here
[23:39] <bekks> Pastafarian: Whatever. Stop ranting and calling names.
[23:40] <Pastafarian> no one is calling names
[23:40] <smaudet> however also not an ubuntu issue
[23:40] <bekks> Pastafarian: You did. Ignore set. Bye.
[23:40] <reisio> smaudet: hrmm, I always just did dpkg -l | grep
[23:40] <smaudet> reisio: that'd work too, it just involves more overhead :P
[23:40] <mr-rich-76> Anyonne else have issues with autohide with the launcher on 13.04?
[23:40] <iUnify> It is not on the desktop but in the Launcher, same icon as a USB
[23:41] <smaudet> reisio you can save yourself typing and just use e.g. dpkg -l ubuntu*
[23:41] <reisio> smaudet: my poor 21st century processor will probably fail :p
[23:41] <Pastafarian> well bekks cannot read then.
[23:41] <reisio> smaudet: you just said that was problematic, though :p
[23:41] <smaudet> reisio: its problematic when there is a file named ubuntu in the current directory :P
[23:41] <iUnify> Also, I am unsure how to actuall perform the suggestion you've made reisio, but I appreciate it... any further assistence on as to how I'd go about making this happen?  No option in ccsm?
[23:41] <smaudet> so the guy from yesterday was running his commands from ~/Downloads, where he had an nvidia package downloaded
[23:41] <reisio> smaudet: you said :)
[23:42] <smaudet> and so the dpkg -l nvidia* was giving complete garbage
[23:42] <Pastafarian> indeed
[23:42] <smaudet> works find from most people's home directories though
[23:42] <Pastafarian> that would explain why it was having the depd issues
[23:42] <usr13> smaudet: What is the file name?
[23:42] <reisio> iUnify: you copy a line in /etc/fstab and specify the UUID or LABEL of the FS of the device you're talking about
[23:42] <reisio> iUnify: which /sbin/blkid will tell you
[23:42] <usr13> smaudet: The full file-name
[23:42] <smaudet> usr13: the poor sap who was having issues with his nvidia driver installs yesterday, remember?
[23:42] <Pastafarian> what exactly is iUnify trying to do?
[23:42] <reisio> iUnify: and put 'noauto' in the opts column
[23:43] <smaudet> usr13: I don't have an issue right now
[23:43] <Pastafarian> auto mount?
[23:43] <reisio> Pastafarian: hide a device from the automount frontend
[23:43] <mork> so i type this in the prompt? : sudo apt-get remove unity-lens-shopping
[23:43] <Ineedhelp> hello?
[23:43] <reisio> Ineedhelp: hi
[23:43] <usr13> smaudet: Oh ok.  Yea, I think I know the one.  I do not think he ever solved it, not here anyway.
[23:43] <Agarrado> yes mork
[23:43] <Pastafarian> mork, yes
[23:43] <mork> thanks, did you do it yourself?
[23:43] <smaudet> usr13: yeah I had a momentary brain fart and forgot why a dpkg command my bork
[23:43] <smaudet> ran into it again today on my system and remembered ;)
[23:44] <mork> ok, im doing it now to see the result
[23:44] <Ineedhelp> okay i have recently downloaded and installed ubuntu and for some reason i am getting an error while trying to install the flash player plugin?
[23:44] <smaudet> s/my bork/might bork/
[23:44] <reisio> Ineedhelp: what error is that?
[23:44] <Ineedhelp> one second i am gonna try redoing it to get the error
[23:44] <Pastafarian> I bet an "apt-get install -f" may help here
[23:45] <mork> actually, i must have already done it :D
[23:45] <Agarrado> xD
[23:45] <Ineedhelp> the error i am getting is package depndencies cannot be resolved
[23:45] <Pastafarian> Ineedhelp, do what I said above
[23:46] <Pastafarian> into terminal
[23:46] <wilee-nilee> Ineedhelp, Have you tried the ubuntu-restricted-extras
[23:46] <Agarrado> it might be from the mirror you are using
[23:46] <Pastafarian> with sudo
[23:46] <Agarrado> or what wilee wrote
[23:46] <mork> grt, so what should i do next to make my distro cooler?
[23:46] <Pastafarian> and enable restricted extras
[23:46] <reisio> mork: spoiler
[23:46] <mork> spoile package
[23:46] <Pastafarian> mork, uninstall unity, install another DE
[23:46] <Agarrado> spoiler, new rims
[23:46] <mrrcp> anyone here using conky?
[23:46] <Agarrado> paint job
[23:46] <mork> kde?
[23:47] <Agarrado> e17
[23:47] <Pastafarian> unless you mean cooler in a non heat sense
[23:47] <Ineedhelp> so just type this into the terminal? "apt-get install -f"
[23:47] <Agarrado> enlightenment
[23:47] <wilee-nilee> blower
[23:47] <Pastafarian> have you enabled restricted extras Ineedhelp ?
[23:47] <Ineedhelp> how do i do that?
[23:47] <Agarrado> someone paste a link to that
[23:47] <wilee-nilee> Ineedhelp, sudo apt-get install -f"
[23:47] <Agarrado> no
[23:47] <Pastafarian> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[23:47] <Agarrado> the restricted extras thingy
[23:47] <Pastafarian> That should sort you out
[23:48] <mork> yeah i did that
[23:48] <mork> um
[23:48] <mork> cant locate spoiler
[23:48] <mrrcp> how do i get conky to boot at login
[23:48] <Pastafarian> mork, they were taking the piss
[23:48] <mork> lol, ok
[23:48] <mrrcp> its not working with the startup applications
[23:48] <Pastafarian> mrrcp, you should be able to add it through settings
[23:48] <Ineedhelp> so do i do the restricted extra
[23:48] <wilee-nilee> Ineedhelp, sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[23:48] <Pastafarian> yes Ineedhelp
[23:49] <Ineedhelp> comand first then do the other one?
[23:49] <Pastafarian> mrrcp, are other packages working with startup?
[23:49] <mrrcp> yea
[23:49] <wilee-nilee> Ineedhelp, the -f is for broken or stopped package insatalls
[23:49] <Pastafarian> can you verify the command you use to start conky works from the terminal normally?
[23:49] <mrrcp> well i dont have anything else booting on start
[23:49] <mrrcp> this is a fresh install too.
[23:49] <Pastafarian> chances are your command is broken somehow
[23:49] <mrrcp> so im not sure why the command isnt working
[23:50] <mrrcp> conky -c ~/.conky/conkyrc_grey
[23:50] <mrrcp> is what i am using
[23:50] <Pastafarian> works from terminal?
[23:50] <mrrcp> yes
[23:50] <Pastafarian> hmm
[23:50] <Pastafarian> strange
[23:50] <mork> im going to bash command page, see yall later, thanks for the advice
[23:50] <mrrcp> yea no kidding
[23:50] <Pastafarian> try setting something else with it
[23:51] <Pastafarian> see if that works, start up apps might be broken
[23:51] <wilee-nilee> mrrcp, conky in the startup applications will do it
[23:51] <Pastafarian> process of elimitation
[23:51] <Pastafarian> elimination
[23:51] <mrrcp> wilee-nilee: i have tried the startup application
[23:51] <mrrcp> doesnt work
[23:51] <mrrcp> i launched terminal at startup to test and it worked
[23:51] <mrrcp> so
[23:51] <wilee-nilee> mrrcp, Hmm, has evrytime here for 6 years, you have done something wrong or need a delay as well.
[23:51] <mrrcp> its got to be something funky
[23:52] <Pastafarian> mrrcp, you can use crontab ofc
[23:52] <Agarrado> i don't get it
[23:52] <Agarrado> is conky running?
[23:52] <Agarrado> check the processes
[23:52] <Pastafarian> ps aux | grep conky
[23:52] <mrrcp> yes
[23:53] <Agarrado> some desktops override conky
[23:53] <Pastafarian> its running? after startup?
[23:53] <Ineedhelp> what do i do to configure the ttf-mscorefonts-installer?
[23:53] <Pastafarian> or did you start it
[23:53] <Agarrado> at least it used to be like that
[23:53] <Pastafarian> Ineedhelp, what's it asking for?
[23:53] <wilee-nilee> Ineedhelp, Just accept it.
[23:53] <Agarrado> conky writes to the root X window
[23:53] <Ineedhelp> it wont let me click ok
[23:53] <Agarrado> and the desktops just run on top of it
[23:53] <Pastafarian> Ineedhelp, hit enter
[23:53] <mrrcp> yes conky works fine when i use terminal to launch
[23:53] <Pastafarian> use keyboard
[23:53] <Agarrado> blocking conky from site
[23:53] <mrrcp> its working now
[23:53] <Agarrado> ahhhhhhhhhhhhh
[23:54] <Ineedhelp> enter is not working either lol
[23:54] <OerHeks> Ineedhelp, use tab and space
[23:54] <Pastafarian> mrrcp, reboot it, and see if it opens conky at boot but you cannot see it
[23:54] <wilee-nilee> Ineedhelp, You gotta hit the arrow keys or another I forget which.
[23:54] <mrrcp> ok
[23:54] <Pastafarian> OerHeks, they been jerking around with installers?
[23:54] <mrrcp> brb
[23:54] <Agarrado> quti
[23:54] <Pastafarian> thought it used to simply just werk
[23:54] <wilee-nilee> Ineedhelp, the arrow key than enter I beleieve.
[23:54] <Ineedhelp> tab space then arrow then okay:P
[23:55] <wilee-nilee> cool
[23:55] <Pastafarian> well you need to select ok/yes and hit enter/space
[23:55] <Ineedhelp> i did
[23:55] <Pastafarian> it installing?
[23:56] <Ineedhelp> okay now correct me if i am wrong now after it is done installing i need to enter "apt-get install -f"
[23:56] <Pastafarian> bingo
[23:56] <Ineedhelp> to install flash player
[23:56] <Pastafarian> sudo on the front
[23:56] <Pastafarian> it should restart the flash install
[23:56] <OerHeks> ms core font installer with the 'windows-look-and-feel-installer', yes it is a joke from the programmers, Pastafarian
[23:56] <Pastafarian> and complete
[23:56] <Pastafarian> HA
[23:56] <Ineedhelp> so sudo "apt-get install -f"
[23:56] <Pastafarian> without the " "
[23:56] <Ineedhelp> okay
[23:56] <wilee-nilee> Ineedhelp, It is apt-get install -f and only if you have a broken package or a install stopped in the middle.
[23:57] <Pastafarian> sudo means run the next command as admin/root
[23:57] <Pastafarian> apt-get is the package manager
[23:57] <wilee-nilee> Ineedhelp, the restricted extras installed flash
[23:57] <Pastafarian> install is what you want it to do and
[23:57] <Pastafarian> wilee-nilee, it should have
[23:57] <Pastafarian> -f will make sure
[23:57] <Pastafarian> since it got stuck earlier
[23:58] <mrrcp> weird ...
[23:58] <mrrcp> ok so
[23:58] <Pastafarian> is it running?
[23:58] <Ineedhelp> i got 0 upgraded 0 newly installed and 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded?
[23:58] <Pastafarian> Ineedhelp, no worries
[23:58] <Pastafarian> test if flash is working in browser
[23:58] <mrrcp> it launched but not with the correct conf
[23:59] <wilee-nilee> Ineedhelp, Try your flash it should be installed.
[23:59] <Pastafarian> huh
[23:59] <Ineedhelp> restart the browser right?
[23:59] <Pastafarian> yeah
[23:59] <mrrcp> it just launched the core confy
[23:59] <wilee-nilee> yes
[23:59] <Ineedhelp> brb
[23:59] <mrrcp> not my script
[23:59] <Pastafarian> thats very strange
[23:59] <mrrcp> Pastafarian: do you use confy?
[23:59] <mrrcp> does this look correct?
[23:59] <mrrcp> conky -c ~/.conky/conkyrc_grey
[23:59] <mrrcp> conky