[02:50] <XRS1> bah! running Saucy on a laptop and everytime i close the lid, the computer goes to sleep. i already went into Settings manager -> Power Manager and turned it off /restarted the system
[02:50] <XRS1> still it sleeps when closed
[02:50] <XRS1> n i keep forgetting n closing the lid when updateing/installing software/reporting problems
[02:55] <OvenWerks> XRS1: I think it is in two places...
[02:56] <XRS1> i've looked the whole thing over and it should'nt still be sleeping when closed
[02:56] <OvenWerks> Have you checked the screen saver settings?
[02:56] <OvenWerks> The advanced tab has some power stuff too
[02:57] <XRS1> screensaver is not loaded @ boot. warning me its not running now that i'm checking
[02:58] <XRS1> not seeing anything about sleep other than after x amount of time, which isn't enabled
[03:00] <OvenWerks> Ya something else.
[03:01] <OvenWerks> I have left my netbook on for... weeks for sure. but it is sitting on a desk open.
[03:04] <OvenWerks> In power manager: general I have: when battery present, ask, nothing,nothing, and both boxes checked.
[03:04] <XRS1> i have both lid options set for Do Nothing
[03:05] <sirriffsalot> XRS1: have you tried changing Desktop Environment at all?
[03:06] <XRS1> ?
[03:07] <XRS1> havent really done anything. just installed Saucy this evening, first thing i did was run dist-upgrade then closed the lid. luckily i didnt seem to mess up dpkg or anything
[03:10] <sirriffsalot> XRS1: are you new to GNU/Linux??
[03:11] <XRS1> eh yes and no.  been using linux since the late 90's but just as a secondary OS to fix windows and maybe screw around a bit.  last year i broke the hard drive in the laptop and had to run from an SD card and havent gone back to windows since
[03:12] <sirriffsalot> XRS1: before you type in your password (or not) and login, there is a scroll-down bar where you can select a desktop environment, yours is probably on "GNOME" or "XFCE[something]" Try changing it to some of the others and do the same again
[03:12] <XRS1> for saucy they removed all those options
[03:13] <XRS1> "to avoid confusion"
[03:14] <XRS1> im in xfce
[03:23] <OvenWerks> there was only xfce and ubuntustudio, both were xfce. So it is xfce either way.
[03:25] <Unit193> Though, xfce will overwrite your config and you'll have to remove it to "get back to" UbuntuStudio.
[03:25] <OvenWerks> I don't know if I dare test on mine though, because the bios is messed up and I have to have a vga monitor plugged in to boot or I get no video.
[03:25] <OvenWerks> There is no xfce session any more
[03:26] <Unit193> OvenWerks: Can you kexec jump it?
[03:26] <OvenWerks> And actually with the menu changes there is almost no difference anyway
[03:26] <OvenWerks> what is kexec ?
[03:27] <Unit193> It bypasses the BIOS in a reboot, so may work.
[03:27] <OvenWerks> Not if the computer went to sleep I think.
[03:27] <Unit193> 'This package provides tools to load a kernel into memory and then "reboot" directly into that kernel using the kexec system call, bypassing the normal boot process.'
[03:28] <OvenWerks> Ah, I will remember that.
[03:28] <Unit193> Ubuntu kernels support it, as do the Liquorix ones.
[03:29] <OvenWerks> These acers have a known problem if they run the battery too low the the bios seems to loose track of the lvds screen.
[03:29] <XRS1> i really need to be able to close the lid without it sleeping
[03:29] <OvenWerks> Ya, I feel the same way.
[03:30] <XRS1> maybe i borked it the first time n i should just re-install?
[03:31] <OvenWerks> Are you sure it is not just the monitor going to sleep? have you set the monitor controls to zero as well
[03:31] <XRS1> it sleeps n screws up whatever i was doing
[03:32] <XRS1> blue power light is a red blinky light indicating sleep
[03:32] <OvenWerks> Ok, that makes sense.
[03:33] <OvenWerks> have you looked at the syslog to see what it says happened?
[03:33] <OvenWerks> maybe the lid switch is being mistaken for some thing else
[03:34] <XRS1> where is that again?
[03:34] <OvenWerks> /var/log/syslog
[03:34] <OvenWerks> there are other log files in there too.
[03:37] <XRS1> Sep  6 19:36:48 nv NetworkManager[726]: <info> sleep requested (sleeping: no  enabled: yes)
[03:38] <XRS1> then it sleeps
[03:38] <OvenWerks> There is no udev liine?
[03:39] <XRS1> ran a search, 0 results
[03:43] <XRS1>  /button/input0 is never referenced
[03:45] <XRS1> let me do another one
[03:48] <OvenWerks> What happens if in the settings->session and startup->application autostart you turn off the power manager?
[03:51] <Guest30980> hi guys im trying to run zynaddsubfx and i get no sound maybe my audio path is not dev/dsp
[03:51] <Guest30980> any way to find it
[03:52] <OvenWerks> /dev/dsp?
[03:52] <Guest30980> anyone here
[03:52] <Guest30980> thats the devault i see in znyadd
[03:53] <Guest30980> in settings im figureing this mayd not be right i have no soun
[03:53] <OvenWerks> are you running jack?
[03:53] <Guest30980> i dont know im a newb
[03:53] <Guest30980> i installed ubuntu studio so i guess it dod  have everything wha
[03:54] <OvenWerks> ok. Lets start from the begining then.
[03:54] <Guest30980> i guess i just need to be broke in to getting this music software working i have tried em all and none of them worked expect the basics hydrogen and audiacity
[03:54] <Guest30980> sure
[03:54] <Guest30980> thanks for the help too
[03:55] <OvenWerks> audacity probably plays through pulse, which is the default desktop sound server.
[03:55] <XRS1> nope.
[03:55] <OvenWerks> hydrogen generally will start jackd up.
[03:56] <OvenWerks> XRS1: nope which?
[03:56] <XRS1> Power Manager is not checked in application auto-start, i rebooted and it still sleeps when the lid is closed
[03:56] <XRS1> i removed the check and restarted*
[03:57] <Guest30980> well i started jacked up and sill no sound from zynadd soft synth
[03:57] <OvenWerks> Ok, that means that none of the desktop settings will have any effect
[03:57] <OvenWerks> XRS1: ^^
[03:58] <Guest30980> any way to find the audio output path its not dev/dsp
[03:58] <XRS1> well it didnt have this problem this morning on 13.04
[03:58] <OvenWerks> Guest30980: you have to start jackd then use qjackctl to connect it.
[03:58] <Guest30980> how do i start jackd
[03:59] <XRS1> Guest30980,  /var/log/udev   <--this should know
[03:59] <OvenWerks> Ya, that I figie=red
[04:00] <OvenWerks> But what I am saying XRS1, is that whatever is putting it to sleep is sub session level. So if you get to the login screen and close the lid it will probably slep too.
[04:00] <OvenWerks> Maybe xfce4-power-manager is supposed to turn that off and doesn't
[04:01] <OvenWerks> Guest30980: do you have more than one sound card?
[04:02] <OvenWerks> XRS1: I think you have found a bug. It would be great if you could see if the live session from an ISO boot does the same thing.
[04:02] <Guest30980> oh crap i hate this
[04:03] <XRS1> k
[04:03] <OvenWerks> There is a learning curve, but once you figure it out it is very flexable
[04:03] <OvenWerks> XRS1: if it happens with the live session, I would like to see if this happens on an xubuntu live session
[04:04] <XRS1> well that i cant do. would take 5 hours on this connection
[04:04] <OvenWerks> studio is very simmiler to xubuntu, and xubuntu have some of the xfce devs in there too.
[04:04] <XRS1> but i can start that now and run the studio version
[04:06] <Guest30980> can anyone help me out here
[04:06] <OvenWerks> if you want to try xubuntu, I would just copy the iso image to a new directory and run the xubuntu zsync against it. It should take a lot less time
[04:06] <OvenWerks> I am trying, Guest30980 how many sound cards do you have.
[04:06] <OvenWerks> ?
[04:06] <Guest30980> one i guess
[04:07] <Guest30980> its a laptop
[04:07] <XRS1> do you have HDMI?
[04:07] <OvenWerks> Ok.
[04:07] <Guest30980> i have a tv tuner plugged in
[04:07] <OvenWerks> that sounds like a second sound source.
[04:07] <OvenWerks> but that should not affect things too much.
[04:08] <Guest30980> how can i find my sound card path
[04:08] <Guest30980> dev/dsp i dont think is right just to be sure
[04:08] <Guest30980> do u know the command
[04:08] <Guest30980> ???
[04:08] <OvenWerks> Guest30980: probably now that you have run hydrogen there is a jackd running that needs to be killed
[04:08] <Guest30980> all my jack are dead
[04:08] <Guest30980> now what
[04:09] <OvenWerks> alsa audio devices are like hw:0
[04:09] <Guest30980> the jack audio connectin kid is closed
[04:09] <Guest30980> its open but not in play
[04:09] <Guest30980> now what
[04:10] <OvenWerks> probably log out and in again to start. That will get rid of anything running
[04:10] <Guest30980> dude whats the process
[04:10] <Guest30980> im not going to log out
[04:11] <OvenWerks> killall -9 jackd
[04:11] <OvenWerks> jack_control exit
[04:11] <OvenWerks> open qjackctl
[04:11] <OvenWerks> select the setup button
[04:12] <OvenWerks> The first two are in a terminal
[04:12] <Guest30980> the first two what
[04:12] <OvenWerks> commands I gave above.
[04:13] <Guest30980> do it before or after i start jackd
[04:13] <OvenWerks> before
[04:14] <OvenWerks> and you want to start qjackctl.
[04:14] <OvenWerks>  This will actuially start jackdbus
[04:14] <OvenWerks> (once it is set up)
[04:15] <Guest30980> and
[04:16] <OvenWerks> have you gone to the setup menu?
[04:17] <Guest30980> yes sir
[04:17] <Guest30980> im right here go as fast as u want
[04:18] <OvenWerks> on the right side a little more than half way up it says interface.
[04:18] <OvenWerks> beside that there is a >
[04:18] <OvenWerks> if you click that it should show a list of audio devices.
[04:18] <Guest30980> ok yea
[04:18] <OvenWerks> HDA should be hw:0
[04:18] <Guest30980> try each one till i get sound
[04:19] <OvenWerks> that is the one you want
[04:19] <OvenWerks> once have that OK it and then hit start
[04:20] <Guest30980> ok please go faster
[04:20] <OvenWerks> if you hit the Connect button, you should see a screen with three tabs
[04:21] <OvenWerks> The audio tab should show system and PulseAudio jooined
[04:21] <OvenWerks> Are you there?
[04:21] <Guest30980> yes
[04:22] <OvenWerks> Now start your application and change the setting to use th jack IF
[04:22] <Guest30980> go as fast as u want im tearing up my system in between pauses
[04:22] <OvenWerks> I ca only type so fast.
[04:23] <OvenWerks> When you have it should show up in the audio tab in the connect dialog
[04:23] <Guest30980> dude u lost me go to settings change dev/dsp to hw 0 ??
[04:23] <OvenWerks>  no to jack
[04:24] <OvenWerks> I don't have the application you meantioned so I can't tell you what it does.
[04:24] <Guest30980> ok start what application zynaadd
[04:25] <OvenWerks> I don't have that... so I don't know.
[04:25] <OvenWerks> I have zynjacku
[04:26] <Guest30980> ok great now it wont start
[04:26] <Guest30980> gee thanks pal
[04:26] <XRS1> okay, the live CD sleeps when laptop lid is closed in the live 13.10b1. Sleep is not even an option for that in Power Manager. (no rush)
[04:27] <OvenWerks> Thankyou for having patience
[04:27] <OvenWerks>  :)
[04:28] <OvenWerks> So if you sudo apt-get install zsync
[04:28] <XRS1> eh.. im fine with just downloading the ISO.  its already 25% there
[04:29] <OvenWerks> OK, because this sounds like a bug xubuntu would like to know about... although it is probably a general ubuntu thing.
[04:30] <XRS1> so where should i file the bug?
[04:31] <gamer_> hey man thanks i got sound now i had to reboot
[04:31] <gamer_> sorry i got impatient
[04:31] <XRS1> XD
[04:33] <OvenWerks> gamer_: great
[04:33] <OvenWerks> XRS1: if you open a terminal and do ubuntu-bug xfce4-power-manager
[04:34] <OvenWerks> it should do it all on its own pretty much
[04:34] <gamer_> yeah man that was it the path was jacked up its hw
[04:34] <OvenWerks> You will
[04:34] <gamer_> which synth do u use and is it a soft synth
[04:35] <OvenWerks> XRS1: you will end up with the browser at a login page probably
[04:35] <OvenWerks> I would use qsynth for most thng
[04:35] <OvenWerks> *things
[04:35] <OvenWerks> hexter is a nice dx7 clone
[04:36] <OvenWerks> aeolus if you want pipes
[04:36] <OvenWerks> qsynth is pretty general though
[04:37] <OvenWerks> gamer_: how are you triggering it? midi keyboard or from a program?
[04:37] <gamer_> triggering what
[04:37] <gamer_> im using a software synth no hard keyboard here
[04:38] <OvenWerks> triggering the synth
[04:39] <OvenWerks> You might like LMMS which has synth modules in it already as well as a sequencer
[04:39] <OvenWerks> It is a "fruity loops" clone.
[04:39] <gamer_> do i make them all work by doing the hw 0 thing
[04:39] <gamer_> i take it
[04:40] <OvenWerks> ok.
[04:40] <OvenWerks>  if you want them to mix together you will want to use jack. If you just one at a time hw:0 is fine
[04:40] <OvenWerks> !proaudio
[04:41] <gamer_> how do i use jack i dont see jack in the settings where we found hw 0
[04:43] <OvenWerks> Which app are you looking at?
[04:44] <gamer_> jacked
[04:44] <gamer_> ok now im in yoshimi what its asking for a jack server it shows default
[04:45] <gamer_> no sound banks for yoshimi
[05:01] <XRS1> filed as Bug #1222021; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1222021
[05:02] <Unit193> And you said happens in Xubuntu too, of course?
[05:02] <XRS1> still waiting on confirmation?
[06:06] <Guest86058> yo how do i connect more then one program since u said i could only use one using hw 0
[06:12] <XRS1> Confirmed Bug #1222021 in Xubuntu 13.10 Beta 1 x64
[13:26] <Guest81911> привет всем. Мне здесь могут помочь по настройке убунту 12.04?
[13:27] <Guest81911> тут-тук
[21:30] <jcbv1> hi guys i need some help agains setting up jacked
[21:30] <jcbv1> it seems the interface route is the key so i wanna make sure i set it up right in  qjackctl