| andrzejr | checked on 13.10 Greybird from master - still the same | 00:01 |
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| ochosi | so it's about padding in between the indicators, right? | 00:01 |
| ochosi | (i'll take another look when i'm less tired) | 00:02 |
| andrzejr | internal padding of GtkButtons in the indicator plugin | 00:02 |
| ochosi | i tried to control that with margin (which should do what we want), but that didn't work the last time i tried it | 00:02 |
| andrzejr | stock 13.10 Greybird has correct padding (and wrong bg-color), the one from git has correct bg-color and zero padding. | 00:03 |
| andrzejr | or margin - not sure about naming | 00:03 |
| ochosi | i removed all special theming that i added (which basically gives me greybird from 13.10) and it still doesn't look any different | 00:06 |
| ochosi | the buttons are all next to each other | 00:06 |
| ochosi | i | 00:08 |
| ochosi | 'll do a screenshot compilation to illustrate | 00:08 |
| ochosi | andrzejr: http://imagebin.org/270090 | 00:12 |
| ochosi | left is the panel with color-changes applied, right is the panel without any special theming applied | 00:12 |
| ochosi | ali1234: do you also get the spacing issue that andrzejr described? ^ | 00:12 |
| andrzejr | I removed /* workaround to fix size of indicator-icons */ (and restarted the panel) - the size is now fine | 00:14 |
| ochosi | ok | 00:14 |
| ochosi | i'll change that in git too | 00:14 |
| andrzejr | but now the border around hovered button is brighter than for Gtk2 plugins | 00:15 |
| ochosi | i know | 00:15 |
| ochosi | i've just started to tinker with that | 00:15 |
| ochosi | i'll take a look at it on the weekend | 00:16 |
| andrzejr | Another issue - labels are much darker than in gtk2 plugins | 00:16 |
| ochosi | yeah, colors aren't 100% ok yet | 00:16 |
| ochosi | satya pushed a commit to git without consulting me, changing everything to symbolic colors | 00:16 |
| ochosi | which is fine, but it means i have to adjust them again | 00:16 |
| andrzejr | ttyl, good night | 00:18 |
| ochosi | night! | 00:19 |
| Unit193 | Good night. | 00:22 |
| ali1234 | ochosi: i'm not 100% sure but i think maybe i do | 03:38 |
| ali1234 | all the other buttons on the panel have a slightly different colour border but the indicators don't - they are just solid | 03:38 |
| ali1234 | with greybird git only that is | 03:39 |
| ali1234 | probably an old version too | 03:40 |
| Unit193 | Bug #1222021 hit, but not me. | 05:03 |
| ubottu | bug 1222021 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "Laptop sleeps when lid is closed, regardless of Power Manager Settings." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1222021 | 05:03 |
| XRS1 | Confirmed Bug #1222021 in Xubuntu 13.10 Beta 1 x64: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1222021 | 06:13 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1222021 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "Laptop sleeps when lid is closed, regardless of Power Manager Settings." [Undecided,Confirmed] | 06:13 |
| ali1234 | ochosi: the bug with blueman-applet not showing any menus is not specific to xfce (or blueman): https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glipper/+bug/1203888/ | 09:52 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1203888 in glipper (Ubuntu) "appindicator doesn't work in Saucy" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 09:52 |
| ali1234 | bluetooth-indicator (which is completely different) is broken because com.canonical.indicator.switch menu model is not available | 09:53 |
| ali1234 | actually it looks like python-appindicator is broken | 09:59 |
| knome | pleia2, i will. there hasn't been any activity since i filed though | 15:20 |
| ali1234 | ok, i tested each and every indicator bug and all of them are not specific to xfce | 17:49 |
| ali1234 | i suspect this child-added bug is the reason pidgin stuff isn't showing in the message indicator | 18:01 |
| ali1234 | it's broken in regular unity as well anyway | 18:04 |
| andrzejr | ali1234, I've been trying to nail down that scrolling bug. | 18:26 |
| ali1234 | you know that the sound menu doesn't work in unity either right? | 18:26 |
| ali1234 | i just tested it | 18:26 |
| andrzejr | WrapperPlug (GtkPlug) still gets the events but the IndicatorPlugin object doesn't | 18:26 |
| ali1234 | actually all the remaining bugs also affect unity | 18:27 |
| andrzejr | so maybe there are two bugs | 18:27 |
| andrzejr | The problem with my scroll event handler is that it doesn't even receive events. | 18:27 |
| ali1234 | the one i made most progress on is this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glipper/+bug/1203888/ | 18:28 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1203888 in libappindicator (Ubuntu) "appindicator doesn't work in Saucy" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 18:28 |
| ali1234 | but neither libappindicator nor glib contains the string "child-added" so i reached a dead end | 18:28 |
| ali1234 | i asked a question the other day on #gtk | 18:29 |
| ali1234 | is it allowed for a gtk widget to have more than one parent? ie to be added to more than one container? | 18:29 |
| ali1234 | if we have two indicator plugins, does each get the same GtkMenu or is it a copy? | 18:31 |
| ali1234 | i suspect this stuff is all related - events aren't coming through when menu items are added, and scroll events aren't being passed in the opposite direction | 18:33 |
| ochosi | hey folks | 18:37 |
| ochosi | man, so much backlog | 18:37 |
| * ochosi starts reading | 18:37 | |
| ochosi | how weird that there are such severe indicator bugs that also affect unity... | 18:39 |
| ali1234 | it got rewritten again... it's to be expected unfortunately | 18:41 |
| ali1234 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6075999/ is the current status | 18:42 |
| brainwash | indicators really seem to cause some trouble | 18:43 |
| ochosi | ali1234: you could post that in a blueprint or somewhere so that people see it | 18:44 |
| ochosi | or even on the ML | 18:44 |
| ochosi | brb (gotta test greeter-patch) | 18:44 |
| ali1234 | actually i have it as a draft ready to send to the ML | 18:44 |
| ali1234 | i don't know how to do blueprints | 18:44 |
| ochosi | starting with the ML is fine i guess | 18:47 |
| ali1234 | sent | 18:52 |
| ochosi | cool, thanks! | 18:54 |
| ochosi | also thanks for the orion-patch and the script | 18:55 |
| ochosi | will take a look at it as soon as i can | 18:55 |
| ochosi | sounds extremely useful | 18:55 |
| ochosi | bbl | 18:55 |
| Noskcaj | The latest xubuntu-icon-theme is failing to update | 19:56 |
| brainwash | Noskcaj: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-artwork/+bug/1222156 | 20:05 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1222156 in xubuntu-artwork (Ubuntu) "unable to open '/usr/share/icons/elementary-xfce/actions/16/zoom-fit-best.png.dpkg-new': No such file or directory" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 20:05 |
| Noskcaj | brainwash, thanks | 20:06 |
| brainwash | I haven't updated this particular package yet | 20:06 |
| brainwash | Noskcaj: so you are encountering the exact same problem? | 20:08 |
| elfy | I did | 20:08 |
| Noskcaj | brainwash, yep | 20:08 |
| elfy | changelog shows - fix missing 16px dir for elementary-xfce-darker | 20:12 |
| brainwash | hopefully the package gets fixed fast, so I can finally enjoy properly sized close buttons on the tabs in firefox :) | 20:12 |
| elfy | ochosi: ^^ | 20:12 |
| brainwash | yeah | 20:12 |
| brainwash | remember me talking about the big close buttons in firefox? :D | 20:12 |
| elfy | vaguely | 20:13 |
| Unit193 | Yep. | 20:14 |
| elfy | not my fault I'm always vague :( | 20:14 |
| brainwash | the bug report about the missing | 20:15 |
| brainwash | systemd-shim package does not get much attention though | 20:15 |
| elfy | wait till it's not the weekend ;) | 20:16 |
| drc | Does anyone know if the lack of "app competion" in the New Item feature of Main Menu is 1) an oversight, 2) a bug, or 3) a brand spanking New Feature which we are sure to love and enjoy for the next LTS cycle ? | 21:00 |
| elfy | not even sure what you're talking about? | 21:01 |
| drc | sorry...in 1310b1 | 21:01 |
| elfy | what's app competition? | 21:02 |
| drc | elfy: It's sort of a tab completion (without the <tab> In MM, when you chose New Item (to add a new menu item) in 1304 (and before) typing in, say, "File" (for File Manager) would bring up several different instances of File Manager/Thunar, etc. | 21:03 |
| drc | Now...not so much :) | 21:03 |
| elfy | in alacarte? | 21:04 |
| drc | And when you picked one (say, exo-open) it would add the command/icon/etc to the New Item for you. | 21:04 |
| drc | well, I assume it's alacarte...it's labeled Manin Menu in the Settings manager. | 21:05 |
| elfy | I've no idea - never seen it before to be honest so wouldn't know it was missing | 21:05 |
| drc | Main Menu...typing in 13.10 LiveCD wirh rediculously small fonts. | 21:05 |
| elfy | yea that's alacarte | 21:05 |
| elfy | I'm either not understanding what you think is missing or never ever saw it or used it so don't know :) | 21:07 |
| drc | OK, thanks :( | 21:08 |
| elfy | sorry | 21:09 |
| ali1234 | screenshot? | 21:16 |
| drc | elfy: Who usually handles things like MM (so know who to ask) ? | 21:16 |
| ali1234 | you mean in eg the Name field? | 21:17 |
| drc | ali1234: Are you talking to me? | 21:17 |
| elfy | drc: what is MM > | 21:17 |
| ali1234 | yes | 21:17 |
| ali1234 | elfy: alacarte for sure | 21:17 |
| drc | sorry, I <was> in 1310 and then reboot back to 13.04 | 21:18 |
| drc | let me get a screenshot...wait | 21:18 |
| ali1234 | alacarte isn't really a xfce app, it's from old gnome/old ubuntu | 21:18 |
| ali1234 | and they don't use it any more, so it's kind of ... not really maintained | 21:18 |
| elfy | drc: I'd assume that we'd just use whatever gets done by others for alacarted | 21:18 |
| ali1234 | the other day someone suggested a new menu editor, but i forgot what it was called | 21:19 |
| elfy | probably lubuntu one | 21:19 |
| knome | menulibre? | 21:20 |
| elfy | that'll be the one | 21:20 |
| knome | elfy, that's not a "lubuntu one", that's created by bluesabre ;) | 21:20 |
| elfy | which isn't the lubuntu one - I'm getting confused with their synaptic | 21:20 |
| knome | didn't they have their own | 21:21 |
| ali1234 | yeah that was it | 21:21 |
| elfy | knome: yea - I should learn to touchtype too so I don't waste my time ... | 21:21 |
| knome | lubuntu software center or sth | 21:21 |
| elfy | yea - that - confused | 21:21 |
| knome | iirc, somebody said there was some changes to that and they could be renaming if to "light software center" or something | 21:22 |
| knome | i only vaguely remember the discussion, but i think there was some discussion about us co-maintaining it (which i said "no, not really" to, because that wouldn't have made sense with menulibre around) | 21:23 |
| drc | ok here's the screenie http://imagebin.org/270177 | 21:23 |
| knome | might've been phillw | 21:23 |
| elfy | I vaguely remember that | 21:23 |
| ali1234 | drc: yeah that's alacarte, and no i don't get that dropdown in 13.10 | 21:23 |
| elfy | drc - me neither | 21:24 |
| drc | neither did I...hence the question :) | 21:24 |
| elfy | but as ali1234 said - I can't see much being done by ubuntu for it - they don't use menus anymore ;) | 21:25 |
| drc | Then why change anything if they don't use it ? | 21:26 |
| drc | Nevermind, rhetorical question | 21:26 |
| elfy | no idea - nor have I any idea why it stopped working | 21:26 |
| ali1234 | speaking of alacarte, did anyone reproduce that panel and desktop crash when doing: mkdir -p ~/.local/share/desktop-directories/ && truncate --size 0 ~/.local/share/desktop-directories/xfce-accessories.directory | 21:26 |
| elfy | I don't know anything about that one - must have been asleep | 21:27 |
| elfy | which I'm off to do shortly - cya tomorrow | 21:27 |
| knome | what's not working? i though the bug was about small fonts which i don't see at all in the screenshot | 21:27 |
| drc | So...No one really knows about it (alacarte), it's not xubuntu's or xfce's and therefore a bug report is probably worthless ? | 21:28 |
| ali1234 | well the worst that will happen is it gets ignored, so bug report it if you like | 21:28 |
| knome | well, there was a new version in june | 21:28 |
| knome | https://launchpad.net/alacarte | 21:29 |
| ali1234 | it's been converted to python3 at least | 21:29 |
| ali1234 | that's why it crashes now - python3 does not like when you write none-ascii characters without an encoding | 21:29 |
| ali1234 | so it write 0 byte .desktops and .directory files - which crash the panel and the xfdesktop | 21:30 |
| Unit193 | knome: Only "Lubuntu menu app" is lxmed, and they don't use it because it is java. | 21:36 |
| knome | heh. | 21:39 |
| Unit193 | (Not part of LXDE too.) | 21:40 |
| knome | yup, that i knew | 21:40 |
| Noskcaj | The light software center thing was phillw and i. There's been some talk of it becoming an active project again, i need to check with mh0 if he still wants to do that | 21:49 |
| brainwash | regarding systemd-shim and systemd/logind in general.. can anyone explain this systemd/upstart mix? can't we get rid of upstart, because it's developed by Canoncial? | 23:27 |
| Unit193 | Of the two, I think upstart is the lesser evil. | 23:28 |
| brainwash | but currently things appear to be mixed | 23:29 |
| brainwash | or is it some sort of hidden transition? | 23:30 |
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