[00:15] OK. Built. [00:16] Could someone who's had pykde related trouble in saucy please try the updated sip/pykde4 packages in my PPA? [00:16] Riddell: ^^^ Need a guinea pig. [00:47] ScottK: is one supposed to update both pykde and sip from the ppa? [00:47] yofel: Yes. [00:47] er yeah, I'm too tired to properly read -.- [00:52] ScottK: printer-applet, synaptiks and software-properties-kde don't crash anymore [01:01] I'm just now teaching myself some Python. [01:02] I'm even having some problems... but they're not Saucy-related. [01:02] http://pastebin.com/0PuVfd6Q <-- MongoDB's MongoClient is trying to open a separate handle to stderr in each thread. [06:28] good morning [08:10] ScottK: I get gdebi and synaptiks to work with your PPA [08:11] but not ubuntu-bug [08:13] hmm and kcmshell4 userconfig doesn't run at all but that seems to be a separate issue [08:14] yofel: does ubuntu-bug work for you? [08:16] Riddell, you are not a Debian Developer, right? [08:20] smartboyhw: right I'm not [08:21] Sigh [08:21] debfx, ping [09:04] Odur: hi, you want to become an elite kubuntu packager? [09:04] Riddell, you have reminded me to set-up another meeting time for a Dev meeting again:P [09:06] smartboyhw: want to go over some library packaging first? [09:07] Riddell, library packaging? [09:07] * smartboyhw got one in mentors right now, ready for debfx to sponsor and ScottK to approve in NEW-.- [09:08] (With symbols, multi-arch, everything0 [09:08] smartboyhw: can I see it? [09:08] Riddell, http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/k/kqoauth/kqoauth_0.98-1.dsc [09:10] hah, qmake :) [09:11] Riddell, yeah, qmake [09:11] :P [09:11] You know, qmake scared yofel away:P [09:11] smartboyhw: my preference is also to name the patches in debian/changelog so you can easily find later when they were added [09:12] Riddell, OK [09:13] +1 for naming patches on changelog [09:13] smartboyhw: did you work out what symbols files were for? [09:13] this thing called communication [09:14] how's this for a new romaniam website? http://geekaliens.com/kubuntu.ro/ [09:14] Riddell, looks like it's used for generating shlibdeps [09:15] https://wiki.debian.org/Projects/ImprovedDpkgShlibdeps is the best link describing it -.- [09:16] smartboyhw: yeah it is, for working out what version of a library your package needs to depend on [09:16] what would you do if you were packaging a new version and symbols were missing? [09:16] Riddell, check where it has gone [09:17] smartboyhw: check if it's a public symbol that an app using the library might use and if so moan to upstream or patch it back in or change the ABI [09:17] If it has truly disappeared due to code, then we can remove it. (The best way to check is to ask upstream, since I'm lazy:P, but of course I can do checks myself) [09:17] Riddell, I like moaning upstreams now:P [09:17] smartboyhw: we can't just remove symbolsan application might be using it [09:18] Riddell, that's why moaning to upstream is the best way:P [09:18] we need to either fix it or change the ABI SONAME number [09:18] smartboyhw: what do you do with a symbols file when a new library version has a new SONAME [09:18] ? [09:19] Riddell, bump API + ABI SONAME number? [09:20] smartboyhw: it has been bumped in the libary by upstream, what needs changed in the packaging? [09:20] Riddell, X-Debian-API and the package names, symbols, blah blah blah [09:21] smartboyhw: no, X-Debian-API is when upstream haven't changed the soname and we need to force it in [09:21] Riddell, basically, when upstream bumps it X-Debian-API is not needed, right? [09:21] right [09:22] X-Debian-API is a cludge when upstream change ABI (remove or change symbols) without bumping soname [09:22] if upstream does change soname then we just rename the binary package and start a new symbols file [09:22] and recompile every application which uses the library to link against the new version [09:22] which is called a library transition [09:22] Riddell, OK [09:23] the rules on what changes in C++ code result in changed or removed symbols are very confusing and upstreams often get them wrong === smartboyhw changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | https://trello.com/kubuntu | https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas 4.11.1 saucy/archive raring/backports precise/backports | 13.10 milestoned bugs tagged Kubuntu http://goo.gl/vHRjj | build status http://goo.gl/cjEFkO | http://www.kubuntu.org/news/commercial-support | 13.10 Beta 1 released | Vote time for Dev meeting at http://doodle.com/s3fba8w2nuagg9vv [09:24] Riddell, it makes sense, nobody wants to touch symbols when everything goes wrong-.- [09:24] SONAMES for that matter too [09:25] smartboyhw: ooh bonus points, given a library in /usr/lib/libfoo.so.2 how do you find out the soname? [09:28] Riddell, eh, this is not the official application yet-.- (And anyways, I did use the command objdump) [09:28] Find the SONAME in there [09:29] Riddell, and seriously, leave the theatrics till the application -.- [09:29] objdump /usr/lib/libfoo.so.2 -p | grep SONAME [09:30] like that;P [09:30] jmux, I thought -p is supposed to go in the front of /usr/libfoo.so.2 [09:30] (That is my preferred way of adding parameters) [09:30] mm interesting, I use readelf -a /usr/lib/libmarblewidget.so.0.16.1 | grep SONAME [09:31] libmarblewidget is an interesting example of a library where the soname doesn't match the filename [09:31] Riddell, heh, I thought that is for solaris:P [09:32] Anyhow [09:33] * smartboyhw goes back to his Chinese homework and his Physics revision [09:33] Riddell: yeah, but I'm not sure how much time I have. I'm a medical student... [09:36] Odur: any time you have is welcome [09:38] At least the included symbols file should show you, if the symbols have changed before uploading :-) [09:38] And there is http://www.gnu.org/software/libtool/manual/libtool.html#Versioning to point upstream to... [09:39] libtool, not sure that's going to win any fans :) [09:39] I prefer to point to http://techbase.kde.org/Policies/Binary_Compatibility_Issues_With_C++ [09:40] Odur: let me know if you want me to take you through some basic packaging [09:40] Odur: you a kubuntu fan presumably? where from? [09:41] Riddell, you want me to do some NEW review? In code-of-conduct-signing-assistant it's assigning X-Python-Version as 3.2 and build-dep as python-all, I would rather prefer the build-dep be python3-all-dev (>= 3.2) [09:42] *python3-all (first build-dep) [09:44] (Waiting for you Riddell, I got another package to complain here:P) [09:45] smartboyhw: python3-all-dev has the C header files I think [09:45] (or is a meta package to bring in the C header files) [09:46] which code-of-conduct-signing-assistant doesn't need, it's just plain python [09:46] so python3-all is right [09:46] and you're rigt that (>= 3.2) would be nicer [09:46] smartboyhw: but is it a reject offence? [09:47] Riddell: I'm from Sweden [09:47] Riddell, not quite... :P [09:47] Riddell, I am not understanding nvidia-modprobe (another package in NEW queue) [09:47] Odur: sweden is home of many elite KDE hackers [09:47] It's rules file, it's explicitly calling clean [09:48] And using dh clean [09:48] Shouldn't that be override_dh_auto_clean: [09:48] smartboyhw: anything significant from suspicious-source in code-of-conduct-signing-assistant? [09:48] Riddell, the translation files only, so no [09:49] override_dh_auto_clean: rm -rf ${tmp_dir} (or whatever), dh_auto_clean !? [09:49] I mean, it's no good rejecting, but it should have been better [09:49] (That's for modprobe, to not confuse) [09:50] smartboyhw: back in code-of-conduct that License: CC0 is that DFSG free? [09:50] * smartboyhw checks [09:51] it looks like an old CC licence so I've not come across it before [09:54] Riddell: Ok, thanks. I'll poke you when I'm ready to learn. In the meantime I'll just hang around :) [09:55] smartboyhw: if I read through the legalese it's just a public domain licence so I think code-of-conduct is good to accept if you agree [09:55] * Riddell runs off to a funeral for a poor canoeist who died [09:56] -.- [09:57] Riddell, I agree [09:58] debfx, you have responded to the vote and not to me;P [10:10] shadeslayer, yofel: Do vote:P [10:10] ScottK, ^ [10:11] apachelogger, ^ [10:11] what what? [10:12] oh doodle [10:13] heh heh [11:47] hello [11:47] reporting a bug [11:47] :) [11:48] 13.10 beta 1 [11:48] 32 bit [11:48] install really quick did not connect to wireless [11:49] and crash on install first time when it tried to connect to wireless [11:49] bypassed interenet worked fine installed good and same issue on full install [11:49] saw the connection but wouldn't connect [11:49] :) [11:50] bug report over [11:50] marcuspbaird, this might be a hardware issue-.- [11:51] prob a driver issue but never had that beofre [11:51] before [11:51] typos sorry [11:51] it did see the wireless [11:52] -.- [11:52] have a usb adapter which connects to wireless rooter [11:52] same issue in opensuse with kde [11:52] every other distro it works fine [12:26] afternoon [12:26] marcuspbaird: that's a known issue [12:26] and quite a nasty one [12:26] agateau: did you get anywhere with ubiquity wifi or need me to take a look? [12:33] Riddell: did you get anywhere with the withsupport email ? [12:40] jussi: nope, didn't work in kmail and didn't authenticate infirefox [12:40] smartboyhw: accepted code-of-conduct-signing-assistan [12:40] Riddell: yeah, mweird as. [12:41] Riddell, good, it's the oldest package hanging around there [12:41] ScottK, not getting anyone to upload to Debian NEW for you:( [12:44] thanks sorry watching rookie blue not paying attention [12:44] smartboyhw: i nvidia-modprobe I don't know why he did the clean: target directly rather than dh_override_clean: but it's just as legit to do [12:47] smartboyhw: however licensecheck tells me not all licences are listed in debian/copyright [12:48] smartboyhw: do you want kqoauth uploaded? [12:49] Riddell, in Debian, yes, ScottK says that he would ACK kqoauth's FFe if it is synced from Debian [12:50] ok [12:53] 'Morning folks [12:54] Riddell: funny thing is, it sends mail fine for me, but I havent got it to receive yet [12:59] mornign BluesKaj [13:03] hi jjesse [13:07] is that my jjesse [13:07] australias [13:07] no [13:07] ok [13:07] carry on === claydoh_ is now known as claydoh [14:33] Thank you shadeslayer :) [14:34] np [14:34] * shadeslayer is totally uncertain about next week [14:34] Hmm, most people choose for Monday 15:00 UTC [14:34] * smartboyhw needs 3 absolute "Yes" from the voters to accept a final solution [14:39] Fixed pykde4/sip4 pushed at the archive. Thanks for testing everyone. [14:39] smartboyhw: I'm not even voting, pick a date this month and unless it's in the damn morning I should be there [14:39] Quintasan, huh? -.- [14:40] smartboyhw: I basically mean I'm free everyday until end of the month [14:40] Quintasan, whoa [14:40] You don't have a job or something? [14:40] Not anymore [14:40] Quintasan, oh:( [14:40] Better find a new one (or get Blue Systems to employ you?:P) [14:40] I'm still a uni student [14:41] Quintasan, be a intern at Google;P [14:41] Or, anywhere else [14:41] You don't usually take people for being interns at their third semester I think [14:42] Quintasan, oh? [14:42] I did a internship in my 3rd semester, though it was at this shitty Indian IT company [14:42] !language | shadeslayer [14:42] shadeslayer: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family-friendly, polite, and professional. [14:42] or rather, at the end of the 3rd semester [14:42] :P [14:42] shadeslayer, OK [14:42] smartboyhw: I can't use shitty? :( [14:42] Quintasan, you are from the US right? [14:42] shadeslayer, no. [14:42] well, fuck. [14:42] :P [14:43] why not [14:43] smartboyhw: Poland [14:43] Quintasan, that is even worse [14:43] Quintasan, oh [14:43] * smartboyhw wants to study college in the US [14:43] Riddell: from what I understand from xnox, the Ubiquity issue is not frontend-specific and should get fixed at some point [14:43] Those top ones especially [14:43] ESOEXPENSIVE [14:43] shadeslayer: Well, I worked for a month at and ISP this year [14:43] at an* [14:43] ScottK, are you going to vote in doodle? [14:43] you guys having a bad language pissing contest ? :) [14:43] Quintasan: ah yes, that's always fun [14:43] agateau: ooh interesting [14:43] Quintasan: I worked on satellites [14:43] BluesKaj: We are trolling smartboyhw :P [14:44] shadeslayer, I'm not going in there paying money:P [14:44] Eventually. [14:44] * smartboyhw wants to get a scholarship [14:44] smartboyhw: get an education in Europe, it's practically free [14:44] shadeslayer: I worked on...UT2004 [14:44] oops [14:44] was not supposed to tell anyone [14:44] lol [14:44] shadeslayer, huh? My Mum/Dad says: Don't go out to the Western Countries to study except if it's ranked Top 30 in the world [14:44] Quintasan, secret code of conduct? [14:45] * shadeslayer worked on one of the INSAT satellites [14:45] provisioning bandwidth etc etc [14:45] * smartboyhw think assassins will now come at Quintasan [14:45] shadeslayer, nice [14:45] Good science stuff [14:45] nha [14:45] smartboyhw: I would disagree, atleast from a masters POV [14:45] go where there is awesome research in your area of interest [14:45] It was mostly like this: Noone wants anything -> We're doing nothing -> How about we do X? -> Nah, let's play UT2004 -> Okay. [14:45] ooh Quintasan, interested in taking on plasma active? [14:46] shadeslayer, oh, you're doing it for a master degree for that!? [14:46] Riddell: Ah, yes, this sounds like a good idea. [14:46] Riddell, let me fix networkmanagement first-.- [14:46] * smartboyhw forgotten about that [14:46] smartboyhw: what needs fixed? [14:47] smartboyhw: hm? nope [14:47] smartboyhw: I plan to do one at some point and so far, financially, it seems that doing one in the EU is better [14:48] you pay peanuts compared to the US [14:48] Riddell, plasma-widget-networkmanagement [14:48] plasma-mobile isn't able to find the headers [14:49] Riddell, maybe I should give it to Quintasan (still haven't worked it out yet) [14:49] what the... [14:49] ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/active/4.0/src/ [14:49] Quintasan, yes, you don't know that?;) [14:49] smartboyhw: oh yes, it's in a missing binary package or something [14:49] This is going to be a pain [14:50] Quintasan: what's painful? [14:50] >Besides a full KDE SC build (with kde-workspace built in a way "kwinactive" is enabled) it needs maliit-framework [14:50] Which needs a patch also [14:50] I need to take a look at workspace once again then [14:50] I have contacted upstream and they say "DON'T PATCH THAT PATCH" [14:51] https://lwn.net/Articles/565007/ ~!!? [14:55] lwn are out of favour with me, they didn't cover the commerical support story, make me wonder why I pay for their subscription [14:55] although to be fair I don't think I ever have paid for their subscription [14:55] Riddell, I never paid for it too, Ubuntu Members got free ones-.- [14:56] oh maybe that explains it [15:01] holy [15:02] ^ That is not a good symptom of Quintasan :P [15:03] What the hell [15:04] Calm down.... [15:04] * smartboyhw thinks Quintasan needs a temper makeover [15:07] I'm pretty much sure you'd have to pay me if you want me to calm dow [15:07] xD [15:07] -.- [15:07] Anyone running saucy? [15:07] yofel: is 4.11.1 good to announce on kubuntu.org? [15:07] Quintasan: yeah [15:07] Riddell: Does you gpg agent work? [15:07] I can't sign the package for some reason [15:08] afaik yes, saucy, raring and precise is Done with l10n, quantal is behind as always [15:08] Quintasan: no, it's broken for me now, was broken then fixed itself now broken again :( [15:08] Quintasan: unset GPG_AGENT_INFO is the workaround [15:08] yofel, who requested Quantal? [15:08] I thought we are dropping it-.- [15:09] yofel: awesomeness! [15:09] Ah [15:09] smartboyhw: I tried to drop it but I got requests from people [15:09] Riddell: Thanks, thought something in my .gnupg got crapped out and I thought my key's a goner [15:09] Riddell, it makes sense though, 12.10 will be longer-lived than 13.04 [15:09] Riddell, why can't we just make the announcement without Quantal and update it later? [15:10] smartboyhw: I plan to [15:10] right now [15:10] Riddell, sure [15:10] People don't usually read announcements twice [15:10] smartboyhw: someone, and now that we have 4.11.0 out for it support isn't much work [15:10] I just need to find the time to finish it [15:10] * smartboyhw wonders who that "someone" is [15:11] Quintasan: do you get a pinentry-qt4 segfault in dmesg? [15:11] yup [15:11] ok, I filed a bug that nobody looked at so far [15:12] my workaround is pinentry-curses for the time being, but afaik uninstalling ibus-qt4 resolves the crash too [15:12] how's this? kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.11.1 [15:13] yofel: where are pbuilder hooks now? [15:13] smartboyhw: I forgot the name, but there was someone here that did the QA work for .0 [15:13] yofel, OK [15:13] Quintasan: uh, let me check [15:13] Riddell, weird, it's yofel who gets the credits at the press release, but I get all the LP karma-.- [15:14] Quintasan: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/pbuilder/pbuilder-hooks [15:14] smartboyhw: Because you did the upload [15:14] Quintasan, I only did the branch itself [15:14] There is someone on LP who gets karma for pretty much anything happens there [15:14] Forgot who is it [15:14] it's 50/50 this time as the script crapped out halfway for him and I finished it ^^ [15:14] smartboyhw: point taken, fixed :) [15:14] Riddell, nah [15:14] :P [15:15] Well, yofel did all the hard work at least [15:15] well, I do get the PPA and l10n karma [15:15] so *shrug* [15:15] Hopefully, 4.11.2 wouldn't be THAT difficult-.- [15:15] (No failing scripts halfway) [15:15] well no, I fixed *that* issue at least [15:16] but kubuntu-archive-upload has the same issue actually and needs a fix [15:16] want to do some python coding? ^^ [15:16] >python [15:16] no [15:16] pls [15:16] no [15:16] stop [15:16] No thanks, I would rather want to finish off that kdeconnect-kde 0.1 release I've got here [15:16] uh, it's actually a rather sane choice here [15:17] sure, do finish that first [15:17] smartboyhw: how come you missed the "kubuntu" from the filename of debian/patches/0001-fix-identical-events-ignored-bug.diff ? [15:17] in kde-runtime [15:17] is it in debian? [15:17] Riddell: that's the filename you get from git format-patch [15:17] * yofel doesn't rename upstram patches either [15:17] Riddell, I thought upstream patches get 0001- [15:17] -.- [15:17] * smartboyhw hides [15:17] hmm, right. I prefer to use the kubuntu_ prefix to show it's added by us not from debian [15:18] * Riddell spots smartboyhw hiding behind the curtains [15:18] sure, as do I. But if I cherry-pick commits from upstream then the patch is gone in the next release so I don't bother [15:18] Riddell, I'm hiding behind a bunch of science textbooks-.- [15:21] FOR SCIENCE! [15:21] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1008967 [15:21] lol [15:21] Launchpad bug 1008967 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging] plasma-widget-redshift" [Wishlist,In progress] [15:22] totally frogot about that [15:22] who cares about science. Read a book about CSS3, that's enough to fry your brain [15:22] forgot even* [15:22] Quintasan, LOL [15:22] yofel, no thanks, I rather want genetic engineering or quantum physics-.- [15:22] >quantum physics [15:22] NO YOU DON'T [15:22] I CAN TELL YOU THAT YOU DON'T WANT [15:23] * smartboyhw thinks someone should kick Quintasan out, now. [15:23] well, that's at least interesting - though I can tell from experience that I don't understand it [15:23] kubotu: order tea for Quintasan [15:23] * kubotu gives Quintasan a nice hot cup of tea. [15:23] Yes, it is interesting but you have to study a ton of higher maths to get it [15:24] Which in itself is not so bad [15:24] But takes a lot of time [15:24] * yofel is tired of forcing a mixture of table-based HTML4 and HTML5 divs to look sane with CSS and makes his way home [15:25] yofel: Care do to a quick review of http://people.ubuntu.com/~quintasan/uploads/plasma-widget-redshift_0.6-0ubuntu1.dsc ? [15:25] in an ~hour [15:25] * smartboyhw quick reviews it (even with no power) [15:25] good [15:25] * Quintasan goes to make some tea and food [15:29] * smartboyhw wonders is Quintasan too lazy to make a debian/watch file [15:29] It's OK otherwise [15:36] shadeslayer: any progress on "make ubiquity populate the package cache,and xapian and kde cache" ? [15:36] yofel: what still needs doing for "Set up daily builds of the KDE stable branches for point release testing" ? I see lots of builds going on in kubuntu-ppa/ppa [15:41] Tsk, now Friday seems to be a better idea [15:41] JontheEchidna, care to vote too? [15:44] smartboyhw: Give me a sane kde-apps.org routine for watch file and I'll include it [15:45] Quintasan, fine, I give up:P [15:45] It's OK [15:45] Riddell: kinda, had a discussion with xnox regarding cache copying [15:45] and he said that it's wrong [15:45] and that the cache population should be done by chroot'ing into the system [15:46] but all we can do is run kbuildsycoca4 and I have no metrics to support that it actually makes login quicker [15:47] or generate full cache at live-rootfs build time. [15:47] Quintasan: Look at kbackup for one. [15:47] such that your .iso already has it pre-boot. [15:48] Is there an FFe for p-w-redshift? [15:48] wait [15:48] it's FFe already? [15:49] ScottK: Discard it then [15:49] Quintasan, welcome to Feature Freeze:P [15:49] (And you seemed to be late of knowing about it, seriously) [15:49] Quintasan: Gone. [15:50] ScottK: Thanks, I'll upload it next cycle [15:50] BTW, if you can get it in Debian, I'm happy to accept it as a sync. [15:50] Not important enough to make FFe [15:50] ScottK, I just wanted somebody to upload kqoauth for me:( [15:50] (In Debian_) [15:54] shadeslayer: mind and update the trello item with what you find [16:09] Riddell: drat, thanks for reminding me, there's some 2 dozen packages missing IIRC [16:09] I'll get that done this week [16:24] yofel: oh cool, nice to see it happening :) [16:57] How many developers are working on Kubuntu on a regular basis? [16:58] Odur: hard to say [16:58] depends on how you count it [16:58] core developers then? [16:58] so far today I see me, yofel, ScottK, Quintasan, smartboyhw and shadeslayer [16:59] Seems to be much work for so few people? [16:59] yes indeed, that's why we need your help :) [16:59] :) [17:32] Aw damn [17:54] Good evening. [18:37] dafuq? Firefox hardcodes search engine URL's ? [18:37] so that I can't remove the canonical ref from DDG and put KDE there instead [18:43] Looks like not. [18:44] BTW, you can add ixquick from mozilla.org. It's got similar privacy policies to DDG. [18:58] :( [18:59] why so sad ? [19:10] amichair, having autojoin problems ? [19:11] BluesKaj: oh sorry, flaky wifi must be causing some conflicts [19:12] amichair, change wifi channels , sometimes that helps [19:13] BluesKaj: it ain't mine... [19:13] ok [19:15] got an ethernet cable ? [21:25] cyphermox: not wanting 0.9.8.2 in saucy? [21:25] network manager that is [21:32] Riddell: feel free, I'm a little busy [21:32] I'm not sure it would necessarily satisfy the no new features aspect [21:32] otherwise I can consider doing this tomorrow maybe? [21:34] hmm... maybeit won't be so bad, I'll review the commit log [21:35] cyphermox: thanks, I'm just wanting to make sure a crash in our applet isn't caused by an older nm [21:35] cool [21:35] can you point me to which crash? I'll try to figure it out [21:39] cyphermox: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=324708 [21:39] KDE bug 324708 in applet "Crash when launching second user desktop" [Crash,Unconfirmed]