[00:15] <ScottK> OK.  Built.
[00:16] <ScottK> Could someone who's had pykde related trouble in saucy please try the updated sip/pykde4 packages in my PPA?
[00:16] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^ Need a guinea pig.
[00:47] <yofel> ScottK: is one supposed to update both pykde and sip from the ppa?
[00:47] <ScottK> yofel: Yes.
[00:47] <yofel> er yeah, I'm too tired to properly read -.-
[00:52] <yofel> ScottK: printer-applet, synaptiks and software-properties-kde don't crash anymore
[01:01] <manchicken> I'm just now teaching myself some Python.
[01:02] <manchicken> I'm even having some problems... but they're not Saucy-related.
[01:02] <manchicken> http://pastebin.com/0PuVfd6Q <-- MongoDB's MongoClient is trying to open a separate handle to stderr in each thread.
[06:28] <soee> good morning
[08:10] <Riddell> ScottK: I get gdebi and synaptiks to work with your PPA
[08:11] <Riddell> but not ubuntu-bug
[08:13] <Riddell> hmm and kcmshell4 userconfig doesn't run at all but that seems to be a separate issue
[08:14] <Riddell> yofel: does ubuntu-bug work for you?
[08:16] <smartboyhw> Riddell, you are not a Debian Developer, right?
[08:20] <Riddell> smartboyhw: right I'm not
[08:21] <smartboyhw> Sigh
[08:21] <smartboyhw> debfx, ping
[09:04] <Riddell> Odur: hi, you want to become an elite kubuntu packager?
[09:04] <smartboyhw> Riddell, you have reminded me to set-up another meeting time for a Dev meeting again:P
[09:06] <Riddell> smartboyhw: want to go over some library packaging first?
[09:07] <smartboyhw> Riddell, library packaging?
[09:07]  * smartboyhw got one in mentors right now, ready for debfx to sponsor and ScottK to approve in NEW-.-
[09:08] <smartboyhw> (With symbols, multi-arch, everything0
[09:08] <Riddell> smartboyhw: can I see it?
[09:08] <smartboyhw> Riddell, http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/k/kqoauth/kqoauth_0.98-1.dsc
[09:10] <Riddell> hah, qmake :)
[09:11] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yeah, qmake
[09:11] <smartboyhw> :P
[09:11] <smartboyhw> You know, qmake scared yofel away:P
[09:11] <Riddell> smartboyhw: my preference is also to name the patches in debian/changelog so you can easily find later when they were added
[09:12] <smartboyhw> Riddell, OK
[09:13] <Tm_T> +1 for naming patches on changelog
[09:13] <Riddell> smartboyhw: did you work out what symbols files were for?
[09:13] <Tm_T> this thing called communication
[09:14] <Riddell> how's this for a new romaniam website? http://geekaliens.com/kubuntu.ro/
[09:14] <smartboyhw> Riddell, looks like it's used for generating shlibdeps
[09:15] <smartboyhw> https://wiki.debian.org/Projects/ImprovedDpkgShlibdeps is the best link describing it -.-
[09:16] <Riddell> smartboyhw: yeah it is, for working out what version of a library your package needs to depend on
[09:16] <Riddell> what would you do if you were packaging a new version and symbols were missing?
[09:16] <smartboyhw> Riddell, check where it has gone
[09:17] <Riddell> smartboyhw: check if it's a public symbol that an app using the library might use and if so moan to upstream or patch it back in or change the ABI
[09:17] <smartboyhw> If it has truly disappeared due to code, then we can remove it. (The best way to check is to ask upstream, since I'm lazy:P, but of course I can do checks myself)
[09:17] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I like moaning upstreams now:P
[09:17] <Riddell> smartboyhw: we can't just remove symbolsan application might be using it
[09:18] <smartboyhw> Riddell, that's why moaning to upstream is the best way:P
[09:18] <Riddell> we need to either fix it or change the ABI SONAME number
[09:18] <Riddell> smartboyhw: what do you do with a symbols file when a new library version has a new SONAME
[09:18] <Riddell> ?
[09:19] <smartboyhw> Riddell, bump API + ABI SONAME number?
[09:20] <Riddell> smartboyhw: it has been bumped in the libary by upstream, what needs changed in the packaging?
[09:20] <smartboyhw> Riddell, X-Debian-API and the package names, symbols, blah blah blah
[09:21] <Riddell> smartboyhw: no, X-Debian-API is when upstream haven't changed the soname and we need to force it in
[09:21] <smartboyhw> Riddell, basically, when upstream bumps it X-Debian-API is not needed, right?
[09:21] <Riddell> right
[09:22] <Riddell> X-Debian-API is a cludge when upstream change ABI (remove or change symbols) without bumping soname
[09:22] <Riddell> if upstream does change soname then we just rename the binary package and start a new symbols file
[09:22] <Riddell> and recompile every application which uses the library to link against the new version
[09:22] <Riddell> which is called a library transition
[09:22] <smartboyhw> Riddell, OK
[09:23] <Riddell> the rules on what changes in C++ code result in changed or removed symbols are very confusing and upstreams often get them wrong
[09:24] <smartboyhw> Riddell, it makes sense, nobody wants to touch symbols when everything goes wrong-.-
[09:24] <smartboyhw> SONAMES for that matter too
[09:25] <Riddell> smartboyhw: ooh bonus points, given a library in /usr/lib/libfoo.so.2 how do you find out the soname?
[09:28] <smartboyhw> Riddell, eh, this is not the official application yet-.- (And anyways, I did use the command objdump)
[09:28] <smartboyhw> Find the SONAME in there
[09:29] <smartboyhw> Riddell, and seriously, leave the theatrics till the application -.-
[09:29] <jmux> objdump /usr/lib/libfoo.so.2 -p | grep SONAME
[09:30] <smartboyhw> like that;P
[09:30] <smartboyhw> jmux, I thought -p is supposed to go in the front of /usr/libfoo.so.2
[09:30] <smartboyhw> (That is my preferred way of adding parameters)
[09:30] <Riddell> mm interesting, I use   readelf -a /usr/lib/libmarblewidget.so.0.16.1 | grep SONAME
[09:31] <Riddell> libmarblewidget is an interesting example of a library where the soname doesn't match the filename
[09:31] <smartboyhw> Riddell, heh, I thought that is for solaris:P
[09:32] <smartboyhw> Anyhow
[09:33]  * smartboyhw goes back to his Chinese homework and his Physics revision 
[09:33] <Odur> Riddell: yeah, but I'm not sure how much time I have. I'm a medical student... 
[09:36] <Riddell> Odur: any time you have is welcome
[09:38] <jmux> At least the included symbols file should show you, if the symbols have changed before uploading :-)
[09:38] <jmux> And there is http://www.gnu.org/software/libtool/manual/libtool.html#Versioning to point upstream to...
[09:39] <Riddell> libtool, not sure that's going to win any fans :)
[09:39] <Riddell> I prefer to point to http://techbase.kde.org/Policies/Binary_Compatibility_Issues_With_C++
[09:40] <Riddell> Odur: let me know if you want me to take you through some basic packaging
[09:40] <Riddell> Odur: you a kubuntu fan presumably?  where from?
[09:41] <smartboyhw> Riddell, you want me to do some NEW review? In code-of-conduct-signing-assistant it's assigning X-Python-Version as 3.2 and build-dep as python-all,  I would rather prefer the build-dep be python3-all-dev (>= 3.2)
[09:42] <smartboyhw> *python3-all (first build-dep)
[09:44] <smartboyhw> (Waiting for you Riddell, I got another package to complain here:P)
[09:45] <Riddell> smartboyhw: python3-all-dev has the C header files I think
[09:45] <Riddell> (or is a meta package to bring in the C header files)
[09:46] <Riddell> which code-of-conduct-signing-assistant doesn't need, it's just plain python
[09:46] <Riddell> so python3-all is right
[09:46] <Riddell> and you're rigt that (>= 3.2) would be nicer
[09:46] <Riddell> smartboyhw: but is it a reject offence?
[09:47] <Odur> Riddell: I'm from Sweden 
[09:47] <smartboyhw> Riddell, not quite... :P
[09:47] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I am not understanding nvidia-modprobe (another package in NEW queue)
[09:47] <Riddell> Odur: sweden is home of many elite KDE hackers
[09:47] <smartboyhw> It's rules file, it's explicitly calling clean
[09:48] <smartboyhw> And using dh clean
[09:48] <smartboyhw> Shouldn't that be override_dh_auto_clean:
[09:48] <Riddell> smartboyhw: anything significant from suspicious-source in code-of-conduct-signing-assistant?
[09:48] <smartboyhw> Riddell, the translation files only, so no
[09:49] <smartboyhw> override_dh_auto_clean: rm -rf ${tmp_dir} (or whatever), dh_auto_clean !?
[09:49] <smartboyhw> I mean, it's no good rejecting, but it should have been better
[09:49] <smartboyhw> (That's for modprobe, to not confuse)
[09:50] <Riddell> smartboyhw: back in code-of-conduct that License: CC0 is that DFSG free?
[09:50]  * smartboyhw checks
[09:51] <Riddell> it looks like an old CC licence so I've not come across it before
[09:54] <Odur> Riddell: Ok, thanks. I'll poke you when I'm ready to learn. In the meantime I'll just hang around :) 
[09:55] <Riddell> smartboyhw: if I read through the legalese it's just a public domain licence so I think code-of-conduct is good to accept if you agree
[09:55]  * Riddell runs off to a funeral for a poor canoeist who died
[09:56] <smartboyhw> -.-
[09:57] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I agree
[09:58] <smartboyhw> debfx, you have responded to the vote and not to me;P
[10:10] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, yofel: Do vote:P
[10:10] <smartboyhw> ScottK, ^
[10:11] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, ^
[10:11] <yofel> what what?
[10:12] <yofel> oh doodle
[10:13] <smartboyhw> heh heh
[11:47] <marcuspbaird> hello 
[11:47] <marcuspbaird> reporting a bug 
[11:47] <marcuspbaird> :) 
[11:48] <marcuspbaird> 13.10 beta 1 
[11:48] <marcuspbaird> 32 bit 
[11:48] <marcuspbaird> install really quick did not connect to wireless 
[11:49] <marcuspbaird> and crash on install first time when it tried to connect to wireless 
[11:49] <marcuspbaird> bypassed interenet worked fine installed good and same issue on full install 
[11:49] <marcuspbaird> saw the connection but wouldn't connect 
[11:49] <marcuspbaird> :)
[11:50] <marcuspbaird> bug report over 
[11:50] <smartboyhw> marcuspbaird, this might be a hardware issue-.-
[11:51] <marcuspbaird> prob a driver issue but never had that beofre 
[11:51] <marcuspbaird> before 
[11:51] <marcuspbaird> typos sorry 
[11:51] <marcuspbaird> it did see the wireless 
[11:52] <smartboyhw> -.-
[11:52] <marcuspbaird> have a usb adapter which connects to wireless rooter
[11:52] <marcuspbaird> same issue in opensuse with kde 
[11:52] <marcuspbaird> every other distro it works fine 
[12:26] <Riddell> afternoon
[12:26] <Riddell> marcuspbaird: that's a known issue
[12:26] <Riddell> and quite a nasty one
[12:26] <Riddell> agateau: did you get anywhere with ubiquity wifi or need me to take a look?
[12:33] <jussi> Riddell: did you get anywhere with the withsupport email ?
[12:40] <Riddell> jussi: nope, didn't work in kmail and didn't authenticate infirefox
[12:40] <Riddell> smartboyhw: accepted code-of-conduct-signing-assistan
[12:40] <jussi> Riddell: yeah, mweird as. 
[12:41] <smartboyhw> Riddell, good, it's the oldest package hanging around there
[12:41] <smartboyhw> ScottK, not getting anyone to upload to Debian NEW for you:(
[12:44] <marcuspbaird> thanks sorry watching rookie blue not paying attention 
[12:44] <Riddell> smartboyhw: i nvidia-modprobe I don't know why he did the clean: target directly rather than dh_override_clean: but it's just as legit to do
[12:47] <Riddell> smartboyhw: however licensecheck tells me not all licences are listed in debian/copyright
[12:48] <Riddell> smartboyhw: do you want kqoauth uploaded?
[12:49] <smartboyhw> Riddell, in Debian, yes, ScottK says that he would ACK kqoauth's FFe if it is synced from Debian
[12:50] <Riddell> ok
[12:53] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[12:54] <jussi> Riddell: funny thing is, it sends mail fine for me, but I havent got it to receive yet
[12:59] <jjesse> mornign BluesKaj 
[13:03] <BluesKaj> hi jjesse
[13:07] <marcuspbaird> is that my jjesse 
[13:07] <marcuspbaird> australias 
[13:07] <jjesse> no
[13:07] <marcuspbaird> ok 
[13:07] <marcuspbaird> carry on 
[14:33] <smartboyhw> Thank you shadeslayer :)
[14:34] <shadeslayer> np
[14:34]  * shadeslayer is totally uncertain about next week
[14:34] <smartboyhw> Hmm, most people choose for Monday 15:00 UTC
[14:34]  * smartboyhw needs 3 absolute "Yes" from the voters to accept a final solution
[14:39] <ScottK> Fixed pykde4/sip4 pushed at the archive.  Thanks for testing everyone.
[14:39] <Quintasan> smartboyhw: I'm not even voting, pick a date this month and unless it's in the damn morning I should be there
[14:39] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, huh? -.-
[14:40] <Quintasan> smartboyhw: I basically mean I'm free everyday until end of the month
[14:40] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, whoa
[14:40] <smartboyhw> You don't have a job or something?
[14:40] <Quintasan> Not anymore
[14:40] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, oh:(
[14:40] <smartboyhw> Better find a new one (or get Blue Systems to employ you?:P)
[14:40] <Quintasan> I'm still a uni student
[14:41] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, be a intern at Google;P
[14:41] <smartboyhw> Or, anywhere else
[14:41] <Quintasan> You don't usually take people for being interns at their third semester I think
[14:42] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, oh?
[14:42] <shadeslayer> I did a internship in my 3rd semester, though it was at this shitty Indian IT company
[14:42] <smartboyhw> !language | shadeslayer 
[14:42] <shadeslayer> or rather, at the end of the 3rd semester
[14:42] <smartboyhw> :P
[14:42] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, OK
[14:42] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: I can't use shitty? :(
[14:42] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, you are from the US right?
[14:42] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, no.
[14:42] <Quintasan> well, fuck.
[14:42] <smartboyhw> :P
[14:43] <shadeslayer> why not
[14:43] <Quintasan> smartboyhw: Poland
[14:43] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, that is even worse
[14:43] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, oh
[14:43]  * smartboyhw wants to study college in the US
[14:43] <agateau> Riddell: from what I understand from xnox, the Ubiquity issue is not frontend-specific and should get fixed at some point
[14:43] <smartboyhw> Those top ones especially
[14:43] <shadeslayer> ESOEXPENSIVE
[14:43] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Well, I worked for a month at and ISP this year
[14:43] <Quintasan> at an*
[14:43] <smartboyhw> ScottK, are you going to vote in doodle?
[14:43] <BluesKaj> you guys having a bad language pissing contest ? :)
[14:43] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: ah yes, that's always fun
[14:43] <Riddell> agateau: ooh interesting
[14:43] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: I worked on satellites
[14:43] <Quintasan> BluesKaj: We are trolling smartboyhw :P
[14:44] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, I'm not going in there paying money:P
[14:44] <ScottK> Eventually.
[14:44]  * smartboyhw wants to get a scholarship
[14:44] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: get an education in Europe, it's practically free
[14:44] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I worked on...UT2004
[14:44] <Quintasan> oops
[14:44] <Quintasan> was not supposed to tell anyone
[14:44] <shadeslayer> lol
[14:44] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, huh? My Mum/Dad says: Don't go out to the Western Countries to study except if it's ranked Top 30 in the world
[14:44] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, secret code of conduct?
[14:45]  * shadeslayer worked on one of the INSAT satellites
[14:45] <shadeslayer> provisioning bandwidth etc etc
[14:45]  * smartboyhw think assassins will now come at Quintasan 
[14:45] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, nice
[14:45] <smartboyhw> Good science stuff
[14:45] <Quintasan> nha
[14:45] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: I would disagree, atleast from a masters POV
[14:45] <shadeslayer> go where there is awesome research in your area of interest
[14:45] <Quintasan> It was mostly like this: Noone wants anything -> We're doing nothing -> How about we do X? -> Nah, let's play UT2004 -> Okay.
[14:45] <Riddell> ooh Quintasan, interested in taking on plasma active?
[14:46] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, oh, you're doing it for a master degree for that!?
[14:46] <Quintasan> Riddell: Ah, yes, this sounds like a good idea.
[14:46] <smartboyhw> Riddell, let me fix networkmanagement first-.-
[14:46]  * smartboyhw forgotten about that
[14:46] <Riddell> smartboyhw: what needs fixed?
[14:47] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: hm? nope
[14:47] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: I plan to do one at some point and so far, financially, it seems that doing one in the EU is better
[14:48] <shadeslayer> you pay peanuts compared to the US
[14:48] <smartboyhw> Riddell, plasma-widget-networkmanagement
[14:48] <smartboyhw> plasma-mobile isn't able to find the headers
[14:49] <smartboyhw> Riddell, maybe I should give it to Quintasan (still haven't worked it out yet)
[14:49] <Quintasan> what the...
[14:49] <Quintasan> ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/active/4.0/src/
[14:49] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, yes, you don't know that?;)
[14:49] <Riddell> smartboyhw: oh yes, it's in a missing binary package or something
[14:49] <Quintasan> This is going to be a pain
[14:50] <Riddell> Quintasan: what's painful?
[14:50] <Quintasan> >Besides a full KDE SC build (with kde-workspace built in a way "kwinactive" is enabled) it needs maliit-framework
[14:50] <smartboyhw> Which needs a patch also
[14:50] <Quintasan> I need to take a look at workspace once again then
[14:50] <smartboyhw> I have contacted upstream and they say "DON'T PATCH THAT PATCH"
[14:51] <smartboyhw> https://lwn.net/Articles/565007/ ~!!?
[14:55] <Riddell> lwn are out of favour with me, they didn't cover the commerical support story, make me wonder why I pay for their subscription
[14:55] <Riddell> although to be fair I don't think I ever have paid for their subscription
[14:55] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I never paid for it too, Ubuntu Members got free ones-.-
[14:56] <Riddell> oh maybe that explains it
[15:01] <Quintasan> holy
[15:02] <smartboyhw> ^ That is not a good symptom of Quintasan :P
[15:03] <Quintasan> What the hell
[15:04] <smartboyhw> Calm down....
[15:04]  * smartboyhw thinks Quintasan needs a temper makeover
[15:07] <Quintasan> I'm pretty much sure you'd have to pay me if you want me to calm dow
[15:07] <Quintasan> xD
[15:07] <smartboyhw> -.-
[15:07] <Quintasan> Anyone running saucy?
[15:07] <Riddell> yofel: is 4.11.1 good to announce on kubuntu.org?
[15:07] <Riddell> Quintasan: yeah
[15:07] <Quintasan> Riddell: Does you gpg agent work?
[15:07] <Quintasan> I can't sign the package for some reason
[15:08] <yofel> afaik yes, saucy, raring and precise is Done with l10n, quantal is behind as always
[15:08] <Riddell> Quintasan: no, it's broken for me now,  was broken then fixed itself now broken again :(
[15:08] <Riddell> Quintasan: unset GPG_AGENT_INFO   is the workaround
[15:08] <smartboyhw> yofel, who requested Quantal?
[15:08] <smartboyhw> I thought we are dropping it-.-
[15:09] <Riddell> yofel: awesomeness!
[15:09] <Quintasan> Ah
[15:09] <Riddell> smartboyhw: I tried to drop it but I got requests from people
[15:09] <Quintasan> Riddell: Thanks, thought something in my .gnupg got crapped out and I thought my key's a goner
[15:09] <smartboyhw> Riddell, it makes sense though, 12.10 will be longer-lived than 13.04
[15:09] <smartboyhw> Riddell, why can't we just make the announcement without Quantal and update it later?
[15:10] <Riddell> smartboyhw: I plan to
[15:10] <Riddell> right now
[15:10] <smartboyhw> Riddell, sure
[15:10] <Quintasan> People don't usually read announcements twice
[15:10] <yofel> smartboyhw: someone, and now that we have 4.11.0 out for it support isn't much work
[15:10] <yofel> I just need to find the time to finish it
[15:10]  * smartboyhw wonders who that "someone" is
[15:11] <yofel> Quintasan: do you get a pinentry-qt4 segfault in dmesg?
[15:11] <Quintasan> yup
[15:11] <yofel> ok, I filed a bug that nobody looked at so far
[15:12] <yofel> my workaround is pinentry-curses for the time being, but afaik uninstalling ibus-qt4 resolves the crash too
[15:12] <Riddell> how's this? kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.11.1
[15:13] <Quintasan> yofel: where are pbuilder hooks now?
[15:13] <yofel> smartboyhw: I forgot the name, but there was someone here that did the QA work for .0
[15:13] <smartboyhw> yofel, OK
[15:13] <yofel> Quintasan: uh, let me check
[15:13] <smartboyhw> Riddell, weird, it's yofel who gets the credits at the press release, but I get all the LP karma-.-
[15:14] <yofel> Quintasan: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/pbuilder/pbuilder-hooks
[15:14] <Quintasan> smartboyhw: Because you did the upload
[15:14] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, I only did the branch itself
[15:14] <Quintasan> There is someone on LP who gets karma for pretty much anything happens there
[15:14] <Quintasan> Forgot who is it
[15:14] <yofel> it's 50/50 this time as the script crapped out halfway for him and I finished it ^^
[15:14] <Riddell> smartboyhw: point taken, fixed :)
[15:14] <smartboyhw> Riddell, nah
[15:14] <smartboyhw> :P
[15:15] <smartboyhw> Well, yofel did all the hard work at least
[15:15] <yofel> well, I do get the PPA and l10n karma
[15:15] <yofel> so *shrug*
[15:15] <smartboyhw> Hopefully, 4.11.2 wouldn't be THAT difficult-.-
[15:15] <smartboyhw> (No failing scripts halfway)
[15:15] <yofel> well no, I fixed *that* issue at least
[15:16] <yofel> but kubuntu-archive-upload has the same issue actually and needs a fix
[15:16] <yofel> want to do some python coding? ^^
[15:16] <Quintasan> >python
[15:16] <Quintasan> no
[15:16] <Quintasan> pls
[15:16] <Quintasan> no
[15:16] <Quintasan> stop
[15:16] <smartboyhw> No thanks, I would rather want to finish off that kdeconnect-kde 0.1 release I've got here
[15:16] <yofel> uh, it's actually a rather sane choice here
[15:17] <yofel> sure, do finish that first
[15:17] <Riddell> smartboyhw: how come you missed the "kubuntu" from the filename of debian/patches/0001-fix-identical-events-ignored-bug.diff ?
[15:17] <Riddell> in kde-runtime
[15:17] <Riddell> is it in debian?
[15:17] <yofel> Riddell: that's the filename you get from git format-patch
[15:17]  * yofel doesn't rename upstram patches either
[15:17] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I thought upstream patches get 0001-
[15:17] <smartboyhw> -.-
[15:17]  * smartboyhw hides
[15:17] <Riddell> hmm, right.  I prefer to use the kubuntu_ prefix to show it's added by us not from debian
[15:18]  * Riddell spots smartboyhw hiding behind the curtains
[15:18] <yofel> sure, as do I. But if I cherry-pick commits from upstream then the patch is gone in the next release so I don't bother
[15:18] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I'm hiding behind a bunch of science textbooks-.-
[15:21] <Quintasan> FOR SCIENCE!
[15:21] <Quintasan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1008967
[15:21] <Quintasan> lol
[15:22] <Quintasan> totally frogot about that
[15:22] <yofel> who cares about science. Read a book about CSS3, that's enough to fry your brain
[15:22] <Quintasan> forgot even*
[15:22] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, LOL
[15:22] <smartboyhw> yofel, no thanks, I rather want genetic engineering or quantum physics-.-
[15:22] <Quintasan> >quantum physics
[15:22] <Quintasan> NO YOU DON'T
[15:22] <Quintasan> I CAN TELL YOU THAT YOU DON'T WANT
[15:23]  * smartboyhw thinks someone should kick Quintasan out, now.
[15:23] <yofel> well, that's at least interesting - though I can tell from experience that I don't understand it
[15:23] <yofel> kubotu: order tea for Quintasan
[15:23]  * kubotu gives Quintasan a nice hot cup of tea.
[15:23] <Quintasan> Yes, it is interesting but you have to study a ton of higher maths to get it
[15:24] <Quintasan> Which in itself is not so bad
[15:24] <Quintasan> But takes a lot of time
[15:24]  * yofel is tired of forcing a mixture of table-based HTML4 and HTML5 divs to look sane with CSS and makes his way home
[15:25] <Quintasan> yofel: Care do to a quick review of http://people.ubuntu.com/~quintasan/uploads/plasma-widget-redshift_0.6-0ubuntu1.dsc ?
[15:25] <yofel> in an ~hour
[15:25]  * smartboyhw quick reviews it (even with no power)
[15:25] <Quintasan> good
[15:25]  * Quintasan goes to make some tea and food
[15:29]  * smartboyhw wonders is Quintasan too lazy to make a debian/watch file
[15:29] <smartboyhw> It's OK otherwise
[15:36] <Riddell> shadeslayer: any progress on "make ubiquity populate the package cache,and xapian and kde cache" ?
[15:36] <Riddell> yofel: what still needs doing for "Set up daily builds of the KDE stable branches for point release testing" ?  I see lots of builds going on in kubuntu-ppa/ppa
[15:41] <smartboyhw> Tsk, now Friday seems to be a better idea
[15:41] <smartboyhw> JontheEchidna, care to vote too?
[15:44] <Quintasan> smartboyhw: Give me a sane kde-apps.org routine for watch file and I'll include it
[15:45] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, fine, I give up:P
[15:45] <smartboyhw> It's OK
[15:45] <shadeslayer> Riddell: kinda, had a discussion with xnox regarding cache copying
[15:45] <shadeslayer> and he said that it's wrong
[15:45] <shadeslayer> and that the cache population should be done by chroot'ing into the system
[15:46] <shadeslayer> but all we can do is run kbuildsycoca4 and I have no metrics to support that it actually makes login quicker
[15:47] <xnox> or generate full cache at live-rootfs build time.
[15:47] <ScottK> Quintasan: Look at kbackup for one.
[15:47] <xnox> such that your .iso already has it pre-boot.
[15:48] <ScottK> Is there an FFe for p-w-redshift?
[15:48] <Quintasan> wait
[15:48] <Quintasan> it's FFe already?
[15:49] <Quintasan> ScottK: Discard it then
[15:49] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, welcome to Feature Freeze:P
[15:49] <smartboyhw> (And you seemed to be late of knowing about it, seriously)
[15:49] <ScottK> Quintasan: Gone.
[15:50] <Quintasan> ScottK: Thanks, I'll upload it next cycle
[15:50] <ScottK> BTW, if you can get it in Debian, I'm happy to accept it as a sync.
[15:50] <Quintasan> Not important enough to make FFe
[15:50] <smartboyhw> ScottK, I just wanted somebody to upload kqoauth for me:( 
[15:50] <smartboyhw> (In Debian_)
[15:54] <Riddell> shadeslayer: mind and update the trello item with what you find
[16:09] <yofel> Riddell: drat, thanks for reminding me, there's some 2 dozen packages missing IIRC
[16:09] <yofel> I'll get that done this week
[16:24] <Riddell> yofel: oh cool, nice to see it happening :)
[16:57] <Odur> How many developers are working on Kubuntu on a regular basis?
[16:58] <Riddell> Odur: hard to say
[16:58] <Riddell> depends on how you count it
[16:58] <Odur> core developers then?
[16:58] <Riddell> so far today I see me, yofel, ScottK, Quintasan, smartboyhw and shadeslayer 
[16:59] <Odur> Seems to be much work for so few people?
[16:59] <Riddell> yes indeed, that's why we need your help :)
[16:59] <Odur> :)
[17:32] <Quintasan> Aw damn
[17:54] <lordievader> Good evening.
[18:37] <shadeslayer> dafuq? Firefox hardcodes search engine URL's ?
[18:37] <shadeslayer> so that I can't remove the canonical ref from DDG and put KDE there instead
[18:43] <ScottK> Looks like not.
[18:44] <ScottK> BTW, you can add ixquick from mozilla.org.  It's got similar privacy policies to DDG.
[18:58] <shadeslayer> :(
[18:59] <soee> why so sad ?
[19:10] <BluesKaj> amichair, having autojoin problems ?
[19:11] <amichair> BluesKaj: oh sorry, flaky wifi must be causing some conflicts
[19:12] <BluesKaj> amichair, change wifi channels , sometimes that helps 
[19:13] <amichair> BluesKaj: it ain't mine...
[19:13] <BluesKaj> ok
[19:15] <BluesKaj> got an ethernet cable ?
[21:25] <Riddell> cyphermox: not wanting 0.9.8.2 in saucy?
[21:25] <Riddell> network manager that is
[21:32] <cyphermox> Riddell: feel free, I'm a little busy
[21:32] <cyphermox> I'm not sure it would necessarily satisfy the no new features aspect
[21:32] <cyphermox> otherwise I can consider doing this tomorrow maybe?
[21:34] <cyphermox> hmm... maybeit won't be so bad, I'll review the commit log
[21:35] <Riddell> cyphermox: thanks, I'm just wanting to make sure a crash in our applet isn't caused by an older nm
[21:35] <cyphermox> cool
[21:35] <cyphermox> can you point me to which crash? I'll try to figure it out
[21:39] <Riddell> cyphermox: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=324708