[02:31] robru, thanks for the postcard :) [03:43] attente, wow, did you just get it now? i sent that weeks ago! ;-) [03:44] robru, i was in china and only arrived back yesterday :) [03:45] attente, ahhhhh, that makes sense. welcome back! [03:46] are the red hat offices the tallest buildings in brno? [03:47] attente, almost, but not really. there's some churchy-fortressy-towery things that aren't really visible in that shot. [03:47] attente, it's a really small town, same population as victoria (300k) [03:48] robru, ah, ok [04:29] hmm, I wonder why jenkins complains autopilot machines would be offline while I can reach them via the jenkins machine [04:54] poof, solved [04:58] and now someone rebooted nvidia machine and it wasn't me :P [07:15] Mirv: morning! I see qtubuntu FTBFS in platform [07:16] sil2100: morning! so do I. [07:18] sil2100: but the worse thing is those 'lxc cannot start' things that seem to happen in check phases. I've been waiting now for this newest tick after fixing the autopilot machines, if anything changes regarding those. [07:28] sil2100: have you seen the sort of http://10.97.0.1:8080/job/autopilot-saucy-daily_release/1624/label=autopilot-intel/console before? [07:28] I don't know what caused the autopilot problem I fixed, and I don't know what's causing this one [07:38] Mirv: hm, maybe these are my delusions, but I think I saw that before - jibel fixed that last time IIRC [07:40] sil2100: ok, that's a good hint at least.. I think he should be soon up so we can ping him [08:03] morning! [08:05] morning Laney [08:07] good morning desktopers [08:08] * Laney gets zapped by highvoltage [08:08] hey Laney highvoltage [08:08] hi seb128 [08:08] good weekends? [08:08] yes, mostly avoided the rain during the day (it rained quite a lot during nights though) [08:08] you? [08:08] yep, climbing shopping beer [08:09] * highvoltage is strongly considering taking a beer brewing class next weekend [08:09] mmm, I did some kits last year [08:09] need to buy some more equipment [08:09] did you get anything drinkable? ;-) [08:10] kirkland's posts make me jealous [08:10] well... you could drink it and it tasted like beer [08:10] but possibly the most boring beer ever [08:10] haha [08:10] heh [08:12] * Laney stabs the pandaboard [08:14] * highvoltage is tempted to get this: https://twitter.com/linuxfoundation/status/374955050642067456/photo/1 [08:14] (but I'm slightly scared that it will pile up with all my other toy electronics that I never get a chance to play with) [08:15] nice [08:57] shrug [08:57] sil2100, Mirv: how come we didn't get any setting landing for 5 days? :-( [08:58] indicators as well? [08:58] seb128: we're in manual publishing mode as ordered by asac, until unity8/mir lands today [08:59] morning [08:59] asac, do we really need to block settings from landing? we have quite some changes/work that's blocked for almost a week there :/ [08:59] Laney: I've had a biker tailing ME last week :L [08:59] \o/ [08:59] were you going fast? [08:59] faster than him, i tried to stay behind him at first and wasn't patient enough [09:00] sil2100, Mirv: quite some red also in the stack, 8 red ones (and 3 yellow) [09:00] sil2100, Mirv: didrocks is back today right? I guess he's going to get unhappy :/ [09:01] seb128: on Saturday autopilot machines jenkins connection had broken down. I managed to fix it this morning. now lxc containers refuse to start up for the check phases, sil2100 suspected jibel could be able to fix those. [09:03] Mirv, shrug, QA team is having a week in Lexington so I guess he's not going to be around before a while ... are we stucked until he's there? [09:04] is sil2100 around today? [09:05] seb128: we're stuck unless someone can decipher and fix this http://10.97.0.1:8080/job/autopilot-saucy-daily_release/1624/label=autopilot-intel/console . sil2100 was around two hours ago [09:05] 1.5h, to be more exact [09:09] k [09:09] it's going to be one of those days... [09:10] Mirv, thanks for the email, can you maybe follow up on the list as well to let people know landings are blocked? [09:11] seb128: ok, which list specifically? [09:12] seb128: Mirv: hi [09:12] Mirv, I though the previous outrages were mentioned on some lists, but I can't find it now... ignore that I guess [09:13] asac, hey! good morning? are you in Lexington? (if so it's quite early!) [09:13] They were mentioned internally IIRC [09:13] seb128: yeah ue-leads etc, I just think since everything is blocked _anyhow_ because of the unity8/mir landing, it's not yet that urgent [09:13] Don't see why it couldn't be done on ubuntu-devel however [09:13] seb128: whats the risk of settings landing? seems that folks worked all weekend to get us to a green dashboard :) [09:13] http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/image/4094/ [09:13] builds are building, they are just not getting released [09:13] seb128: yeah i am in lexington :) [09:13] early bird [09:13] the power of jetlag [09:15] Hey, there's a tzdata issue that is screwing up all machines in Israel right now [09:15] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tzdata/+bug/1222345 [09:15] Launchpad bug 1222345 in tzdata (Ubuntu) "Wrong DST dates in Israel" [Undecided,Confirmed] [09:15] asac, so, I've been told it's due to you that we didn't get any settings update on the touch image for 6 days ... is there anything we can do to get our code to land again? we can't skip weeks like that :/ [09:15] The 2013d version (currently in saucy) of tzdata needs to be backported into previous ubuntu versions. [09:15] mmm, tzdata [09:16] I'm wondering what the version number should be, and if there's going to be someone taking care of this, or if I should. [09:16] Saucy version is 2013d-1ubunut1 [09:16] ubuntu, obviously :) [09:16] marga, hey, thanks for pointing it out [09:16] seb128: i dont think its because of us... we looked at the staged changes last friday [09:17] and pushed stuff in that didnt look to dangerous (like SDK we kept out) [09:17] and unless i am mistaken there was no settings in daily-release staged [09:17] marga: 2013d-0ubuntu0.XX.YY would work if you want to work on that [09:17] asac, the way stacks are done I think settings needs SDK to be published :/ [09:18] seb128: yes, I am [09:18] sil2100, hey [09:18] sil2100, is there any way we can get settings published? [09:18] seb128: ok... so let us have a look at the daily-release ppa today in lex [09:18] Laney, -0ubuntu? even if the saucy one is -1ubuntu? [09:18] asac, thanks [09:18] I'm always surprised by this numbers [09:18] seb128: i believe for SDK we do a special manual test run [09:18] seb128: we're not landing things because asac wanted to have manual publishing set and go through him with everything that we land - it was Mirv's tick right now, but I'll see settings state right now [09:19] and if that isn't busted like th elast two times we will punch it in :) [09:19] marga: Oh I was thinking you'd apply the new upstream on top of what was already in precise [09:19] asac: btw. as I already asked pstolowski in -touch... where can I find the logs from the camera-app automation crash? [09:19] marga: that'd be usual for the SRU (minimal changes) [09:19] Laney, yeah, but I don't know if this makes sense for tzdata [09:19] I think tzdata is normally pushed as a whole (at least in Debian) [09:20] Laney, marga: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#tzdata [09:20] i.e. we'd usually leave the packaging changes [09:20] pstolowski: sil2100: the test is not failing anymore - luckily ... however, there are mediascanner crashes still [09:20] pstolowski: sil2100: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/image/4094/camera-app-autopilot/ [09:20] yeah [09:20] like that [09:20] and we have click scope crashes ALL THE TIME :) [09:20] like see all the "1" crashes http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/image/4094/ [09:20] pstolowski: ^ [09:20] seb128: thanks for pointing, didn't know that existed [09:21] Laney, yw ;-) [09:21] marga, do you plan to work on the update? I can do sponsoring [09:21] asac: ok, good to know about the automation failure, since I checked both mediascanner and autopilot changes and tests and didn't see any of those cause a crash in camera [09:21] seb128, well, if it makes sense. I have done tzdata updates for Debian, but not for Ubuntu. [09:22] marga, cf the wiki link I just copied, we have a standing exception to update it, we just didn't keep up with doing that [09:22] right. So, what should the version be? [09:22] seb128: right. still mediascanner reliably crashes ONLY during the camera-app run [09:22] err [09:22] sil2100: ^ [09:22] so i am not really buying the story of mediascanner not being related [09:23] so my story now is: [09:23] 1. camera saves images [09:23] 2. mediascanner crashes and produces super slowdown due to crash file IO [09:23] marga, 2013d-0ubuntu0. it seems [09:23] 3. test gets flaki and fails due to timing issues [09:23] marga, e.g 2013d-0ubuntu0.12.04 [09:23] marga, 2013d-0ubuntu0.13.04 [09:24] asac: well, that might make sense, it was hard seeing a relation without seeing any test logs ;) Since it's not really reproducible here on my system [09:24] pstolowski: ^ can you take a look? [09:24] seb128, ok. [09:24] marga, thanks [09:24] sil2100: you dont get a crash? [09:24] it happens close to 100% in automation during the camera-app autopilot [09:25] So that is indeed something strange [09:25] pstolowski: if you're busy, I'll just revert that change and release it without it until it's fixed, ok? [09:25] asac: I guess the first thing to do is filling out a bug, did you manage to do that already? [09:27] i dont think filing a bug will help :) [09:27] sil2100: can I get the core file from https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/saucy-touch_ro-maguro-smoke-camera-app-autopilot/57/artifact/clientlogs/_usr_bin_mediascanner-service.32011.crash/*view*/ ? [09:27] so i leave it to the owners [09:27] pstolowski: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/image/4094/camera-app-autopilot/ ther eis a .crash file [09:27] that has a Core included usually [09:27] ah you pointed to that [09:27] sorry [09:28] the CoreDump: area [09:28] is the bas64 encoded core [09:28] but afaik there is a tool to untangle it [09:28] lool: ? [09:28] asac: yeah, seen it, but was actually wondering if it's readily available in a more friendly format [09:29] apport-unpack [09:29] sil2100: i think more important - now that i look at it - is to figure what happened wth click scope [09:29] that one seems to break [09:29] alecu: ^ [09:29] and crash all the time since a few days [09:29] pstolowski: try downloading http://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/saucy-touch_ro-maguro-smoke-camera-app-autopilot/57/artifact/clientlogs/_usr_bin_mediascanner-service.32011.crash/*view*/ and then using apport-unpack on it [09:30] sil2100: yep, it worked, thanks [09:31] asac: btw. filling bugs will help ;) Since otherwise upstreams at least know there is a problem [09:31] asac: and they have a base point where they can start off from, write progress, discuss [09:32] sil2100: oh ... well, i send them a ping and they should file their own bug io [09:32] asac: it's a bit more efficient when we have a distributed environment - Florian and some other guys highly recommend filling out bugs whenever there is a problem instead of just directly pinging, as while some people are off some others might see it and pick it up [09:32] imo [09:32] but yeah i am not saying we shouldnt do bugs at all [09:33] sil2100: yeah let me think about that point [09:33] the bad about bugs itsw not an interactive thing [09:34] happyaron, hey, do you have an opinion on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libchewing/+bug/1220224 ? [09:34] Launchpad bug 1220224 in libchewing (Ubuntu) "Sync libchewing 0.3.5-2 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Incomplete] [09:36] seb128, would this have the 7 day wait? [09:36] Laney, if you want some change from system settings, there is a new glib tarball available out there [09:37] marga, no, if we find testers we can probably wave it in today [09:37] seb128: oh cool, that was last week even [09:37] Laney, there is also a new gtk tarball, I'm going to do that one [09:38] the "display languages" ui in u-s-s isn't very friendly [09:38] * sil2100 sighs [09:38] Laney, I'm going to test g-s-d today as well [09:38] Things are all red today... [09:38] Laney, yeah :/ [09:38] sil2100, indeed, going to make didrocks happy :p [09:38] gsd> cool [09:38] sil2100, shame, it has been going good and smoothly while he was not there, and the day he's back everything turns ted [09:38] red [09:39] * Laney sniggers at everything turning ted [09:39] seb128: we need jibel, since we won't release anything without working lxc containers in the test machines [09:39] Mirv: you said you tried rebooting them, yes? [09:40] asac, ^ can you go and wake up jibel :p [09:41] seb128: ;D It seems Didier is the CAUSE OF ALL EVIL! [09:42] hehe [09:42] seb128: you can just call the hotel and have your call put through [09:42] saying its an emergency [09:43] they have single rooms, so you will precisely wake up who you want :) [09:43] haha [09:44] asac, joke aside, it sucks to always being stucked on people on american tz to be up to unscrew CI [09:44] asac, we need better world coverage [09:45] yeah [09:45] its an understood issue [09:45] and one of the main points [09:46] "How can we provide 24h lab operations with 8h business hours?" [09:47] asac, sil2100 : I've just checked the core, it seems to be race somewhere when files get removed while still being scanned. I really don't see any relation to the fix I recently did in mediascanner, but also can't offer any quickfix right now (chasing bugs in mediascanner is rather time consuming) [09:48] seb128, I'm preparing the packages, but I'm not sure how I would give them to you for sponsoring [09:48] marga, scp somewhere I can dget it? [09:48] ah, heh, sure :) [09:48] marga, please list the bug number you pointed earlier in the changelog [09:49] of course [09:49] thanks ;-) [09:49] pstolowski: since the test doesnt fail anymore the priority is a bit lower than "super escalation", but... the crash surely is high priority [09:49] marga: attaching diff.gz and a link to the orig to the bug is usual [09:49] asac: understood. and this isn't the only crash we observed with mediascanner... [09:50] Laney, right, but this one has a new orig [09:50] pstolowski: maybe the race is a systematic thing? [09:50] files get removed while being scanned ... hmm [09:50] marga: indeed, hence linking to it [09:50] maybe its also when files still grow while you scan? [09:51] asac: I haven't seen this particular crash before. the other crash we have is because it or grillo plugins leak filedescriptors [09:51] rather than you uploading it and then the sponsor having to verify you didn't tamper. :-) [09:54] pstolowski: anyone else works on mediascanner or is that just you? [09:55] asac: my team "inherited" it; I started looking at it last week [09:55] asac: reported it https://bugs.launchpad.net/mediascanner/+bug/1222731 [09:55] Launchpad bug 1222731 in mediascanner "Mediascanner crashes" [Critical,Confirmed] [09:58] thanks [10:00] seb128, what should be the distro name -updates? [10:00] just is fine [10:02] sil2100: yes [10:02] marga, what Laney said [10:03] Laney, e.g "raring" "precise" works nowadays [10:13] Mirv, seb128: the otto test machines seem to be somehow broken, it's indeed impossible to start any of the containers, with errors like: [10:14] chroot: failed to run command ‘useradd’: No such file or directory [10:17] sil2100: right.. I just wonder if the lxc problems are anyhow related to the autopilot host problem I fixed. [10:19] Mirv: not sure, it was also a mystery to me that it wasn't installed if it was required - maybe it wasn't really necessary or something, but well, I think we need to poke jibel so that he gives us a walkthrough through the otto machines configuration [10:21] asac: anyway, sad thing... on Friday we specifically selected the click stack and mediascanner to publish because it seemed safe [10:21] asac: even if mediascanner changes are not causing trouble, but the click ones you say started crashing [10:22] So much for 'safe bets' [10:27] seb128, packages finished. They should be available to dget from http://www.marga.com.ar/ubuntu/tzdata/. Do you want me to give you the 3 dsc urls? [10:28] marga, thanks, and no need for the 3 urls, the one you gave me is easy enough to browse ;-) [10:32] marga, did you decide to not use the same version scheme for raring for a reason? [10:32] seb128, no, probably mistake. Will fix. [10:32] marga, thanks [10:33] it's hard not to make mistakes when doing almost the same thing three times. Sorry, rebuilding now. [10:35] seb128, hi [10:35] darkxst, hey [10:35] have you had a chance to look at the g-s-d update? [10:36] darkxst, no yet, but that comment about dropping keys makes me uneasy, it's going to make ubuntu-system-settings abort when opening the battery preferences ... are we sure nothing else in the archive or out there use those keys? [10:36] I searched for it [10:37] Laney, you searched in Ubuntu or just in Debian? [10:38] in Ubuntu using my codesearch instance [10:38] * Laney updates its index [10:38] oh, I see [10:38] you have to ignore the branding [10:38] I didn't fix that yet ;-) [10:38] yeah, that confused me [10:38] I though it was the debian tool [10:39] ok, session restart with today updates [10:39] then I do the tzdata sponsoring [10:39] then I test g-s-d [10:40] Laney, where is your codesearch at? [10:40] ouch [10:40] http://162.213.35.4/ [10:40] the index is a couple of weeks old [10:40] So, I fixed the versions for the raring packages, but seb left. I'm off to lunch [10:42] Laney, right, still nice :) [10:42] ya [10:42] hum [10:42] why is my mouse pointer wrong? [10:42] is anyone seeing that as well today? [10:43] describe wrong, but no [10:43] I get a small dark arrow [10:43] rather than my usual white one [10:43] * Laney restarts session [10:44] oh yeah! [10:45] Laney, confirming? [10:45] yep [10:45] what controls that? [10:45] gnome-settings-daemon I would say [10:45] did you get the new one? [10:45] I think it's a gtk xsetting [10:45] no [10:45] well I do [10:46] shrug, I had a lot of updates today [10:46] going to be fun to find which one it could be :/ [10:47] pointers are fine here, but I am running a hybrid mix of gnome 3.9 on this machine [10:49] I got a new hicolor-icon-theme [10:49] does that do cursors? [10:49] wait, wtf, no I didn't [10:49] Laney, what is weird is that I get the correct pointer in tb [10:50] yeah firefox goes to the right one too [10:50] or firefox [10:50] did we get a gtk3 update? [10:50] ah new gnome-themes-standard [10:50] ah [10:51] no cursor changes in there though it seems [10:52] oh, in that one [10:52] http://launchpadlibrarian.net/140848282/gnome-themes-standard_3.6.5-0ubuntu1_3.8.1-2ubuntu1.diff.gz [10:52] + [ Josselin Mouette ] [10:52] + * Install a cursor.theme to configure the default X cursor. [10:52] + * Set up the x-cursor-theme alternative. [10:57] is dmz-theme what we use? [10:58] yep [10:58] so I guess we should add a higher alternate for that one === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:03] oh, well, I had manually installed g-themes-standard [11:03] so arguably it's ok [11:03] sil2100: yeah. sad [11:04] sil2100: did we land the click scope ? [11:04] ralsina: check with sil2100 to narrow down the regression window [11:04] * asac bbi2h [11:09] sil2100: on Friday yes https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/saucy-changes/2013-September/009662.html [11:11] Laney, what do you mean "manually installed so it's ok"? it's still a config change on upgrade [11:12] ;) [11:15] seb128, I see that you uploaded the packages, do you need me to do anything? [11:16] marga, if you can help verifying the updates/getting people to help testing those, once they are accepted, it would be good [11:16] marga, otherwise no [11:16] hmm [11:16] marga, thanks for the updates! ;-) [11:16] darkxst: do you intentionally seed the dmz-cursor-theme? [11:17] no prob. Thanks for the quick response. [11:18] how did the scroll direction work on i-sound? I assume scrolling up meant volume up? [11:18] presumably [11:19] well that's how it's going to be then :) Thanks! [11:19] marga, just to make sure, is the current tzdata already leading to wrong time or is that going to happen in the futur? [11:19] seb128, it's already happening. [11:19] larsu, correct [11:19] larsu, that's good common sense no? :p [11:19] marga, ok, thanks [11:20] Laney, we use the Adwaita cursor them [11:20] theme [11:20] darkxst: I guess you want to unseed it yet [11:20] s/yet/then/ [11:20] seb128: yep, just wanted to make sure :) [11:20] I think we'll have to make dmz-cursor-theme have a higher priority [11:20] * larsu never uses that feature, has hardware buttons for volume [11:21] For precise/quantal it started yesterday. For raring it's still ok, it will be wrong in 3 weeks. [11:21] * seb128 has on y laptop, but not on his desk keyboard [11:21] marga, ok, the bug description was not really clear about that, thanks for confirming [11:22] marga, I pinged directly on #ubuntu-release, let's see how that works [11:26] Laney, ok will do [11:26] cool [11:27] marga, want to do the lucid SRU as well? ;-) [11:27] seb128, suuuure. [11:27] marga, thanks! [11:44] pstolowski: I see you found my original report [11:44] lool: yes, thanks for that [11:44] pstolowski: you can extract coredump from .crash with apport-unpack [11:45] pstolowski: and you can even sometimes jump straight to gdb with apport-retrace -g [11:45] lool: yep, figured that, thanks [11:46] pstolowski: I tried to debug it a bit; it seems related to the cancellation, like the gst_listener being NULL-ed and then used again [11:46] but I couldn't figure it out this week-end and thought that people who worked on the code would have a better chance of finding this quickly [11:47] pstolowski: looks like an old bug that is just popping now because we're using it on the device [11:47] pstolowski: BTW what are we going to do with the mediascanner? search for medias in scopes? [11:48] lool: yes, it's just coincidence it showed up after my other bugfix [11:49] lool: mediascanner keeps track of all media files on the device, and exposes them to scopes [11:57] seb128, http://www.marga.com.ar/ubuntu/tzdata/lucid/tzdata_2013d-0ubuntu0.10.04.dsc [11:57] marga, thanks! [12:11] Good morning [12:12] I was about to say something and then I realised where pitti is :P [12:13] Laney: well, I did get up at 5 am as usual, just in a wrong TZ :) [12:13] just didn't check IRC this morning yet [12:13] my first time in the Lexington office [12:15] pitti, hey, how are you? had a good flight? how is Lexington? [12:16] seb128: yes, it was quite fine; everything worked, did some hacking, reading, and watched Oblivion [12:16] seb128: and I trained myself into the TZ before, I went to bed very late on Fri/Sat :) [12:16] pitti, I liked that movie, but mostly for the amazing images ... I guess you didn't get that effect in a plane :p [12:16] seb128: Lexington seems to be in the middle of a forest, but surrounded by ridiculous traffic jam at the same time [12:17] seb128: otherwise, quite similar to the London office, just much smaller [12:17] k [12:17] Mirv: I guess you can also take a look here in the meantime: https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/cupstream2distro-config/diverge_autopilot/+merge/184551 [12:17] ;) [12:17] fginther: hi! [12:17] fginther: do you know if jibel is somewhere nearby? [12:17] seb128: heh, no; usual crappy screen, but it was an okay story [12:17] yeah, I really enjoyed the first half [12:17] fginther: since I guess we would really need his help with the otto autopilot machines and containers, as everything is badly broken [12:18] fginther: and seb128 (as probably everyone else) would really like to get some things released finally ;) [12:18] pitti, the end is a bit disappointing/no real surprise ... but I mostly liked the movie as well ;-) [12:19] pitti, if you see a jibel, please poke him, lxc containers are screwed and we can't do landing [12:20] sil2100, He's not here at the moment [12:20] seb128: I saw him at breakfast this morning, but he'll take the second bus; so he should arrive in 15 mins or so === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [12:20] pitti, ok [12:20] ;_; [12:20] seb128: but I finally watched "Fight club" Saturday night; that was surprisingly good [12:21] (gotta keep yourself awake with something -- so it was that movie and playing Descent until 2:30 :) ) [12:21] ;-) [12:21] I didn't that one either [12:21] Oh, Fight Club, that was a fun movie to watch, I would watch it once again since it's been a while [12:21] but it reminds me I saw it in the tv grid for the week, I wonder if I missed it again [12:21] My sister saw it in, what, 1999?, and didn't like it [12:22] lot of people talked about it by then, seems still worth watching [12:22] yes, absolutely [12:23] it was funny to see people using public phones and no mobiles, etc. [12:25] hehe [12:26] sil2100: so is the idea to temporarily have 'head' actually AP 1.3 while trunk can be developed at will, until at some point 1.3 would be moved to saucy release cu2d proper an head would again have trunk? [12:30] Mirv: yes, that's the idea - since we're not moving all cupstream2distro-config things from Head to Saucy yet [12:30] Mirv: while we want to still enable the AP guys to work on python 3 porting etc. without any problems on trunk [13:10] marga, ok, SRUs approved, they need verification next [13:11] seb128, good [13:11] Laney, darkxst, jbicha: ok, just built the new g-s-d from the current vcs/installed that, keyboard panel in g-c-c abort on missing gsettings key [13:11] Settings schema 'org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.media-keys' does not contain a key named 'switch-input-source' [13:11] not a great start... [13:13] same for the region&language panel [13:16] seb128: yes you need gnome-control-center too from https://launchpad.net/~darkxst/+archive/gsd38/+packages [13:17] jbicha, shrug [13:18] those key changes make me quite unhappy [13:18] hum [13:18] did gnome-keyring stop working for anyone else? [13:18] well, the ssh agent at least [13:19] jbicha, is there a vcs with that version? [13:22] no, not yet [13:23] hum, k [13:31] jbicha: probably needs a breaks for older g-c-cs [13:36]