[16:45] <mdeslaur> \o
[16:45] <jdstrand> hi!
[16:46] <tyhicks> hello
[16:46] <jdstrand> #startmeeting
[16:46] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Sep  9 16:46:46 2013 UTC.  The chair is jdstrand. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:47] <jdstrand> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[16:47] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[16:47] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[16:47] <jdstrand> I'll go first
[16:47] <jdstrand> I'm in the happy place this week
[16:48] <jdstrand> I need to go through bps, postpone some stuff, plan for september and tentative for 14.04, then get that info out to people
[16:48] <jdstrand> I also have some work items-- mostly around testing various apis and getting the policy groups in order
[16:48] <jdstrand> and pending updates
[16:48] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: you're next
[16:49] <mdeslaur> I'm on triage this week
[16:49] <mdeslaur> and friday, I have patch piloting duties
[16:49] <mdeslaur> this week I plan on working down the CVE list, it's been growing
[16:49] <mdeslaur> that's it from me
[16:49] <mdeslaur> sbeattie: you're up
[16:49] <sbeattie> I'm on apparmor again this week
[16:50] <sbeattie> I'm again helping out jj with testing stuff, focusing on ipc
[16:50] <sbeattie> which is pretty much it for me
[16:50] <sbeattie> tyhicks: you're up
[16:50] <tyhicks> I'm fixing a couple remaining bugs in the C++ apparmor parser patch set
[16:51] <tyhicks> then I'll send those out to the list
[16:51] <tyhicks> I need to put together a pull request for a couple minor eCryptfs kernel fixes while the merge window is still open
[16:51] <tyhicks> then I expect to be doing some work related to trusted helpers
[16:52] <tyhicks> that's it for me
[16:52] <tyhicks> sarnold: you're up
[16:53] <sarnold> I'm on community this week; I'm working on MIR audits this week, ust, mir, unity-system-compositor, msgpack-python, gunicorn, and open-vm-tools. I suspect I'll finish four of them this week...
[16:54] <sarnold> jdstrand: back to you
[16:54] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[16:54] <jdstrand> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[16:54] <jdstrand> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[16:54] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/gnome-shell.html
[16:54] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libextlib-ruby.html
[16:54] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/xnbd.html
[16:54] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/salt.html
[16:54] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libspoon-perl.html
[16:55] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[16:55] <jdstrand> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[17:04] <jdstrand> #endmeeting
[17:04] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Sep  9 17:04:35 2013 UTC.
[17:04] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-09-09-16.46.moin.txt
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[17:04] <jdstrand> mdeslaur, sbeattie, tyhicks,sarnold : thanks!
[17:04] <sarnold> thanks jdstrand :)
[17:04] <sbeattie> jdstrand: thanks!
[17:04] <tyhicks> thanks
[19:03] <tumbleweed> !dmb-ping
[19:03]  * stgraber waves
[19:03]  * barry waves
[19:03] <ScottK> \o
[19:03] <tumbleweed> #startmeeting Developer Membership Board
[19:03] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Sep  9 19:03:48 2013 UTC.  The chair is tumbleweed. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[19:03] <tumbleweed> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda
[19:04] <tumbleweed> #topic review previous action items
[19:04] <tumbleweed> I see nothing in the agenda
[19:04] <micahg-work> \o/
[19:04] <tumbleweed> anyone recall anything?
[19:04] <tumbleweed> I guess we move on
[19:04] <happyaron> my application?
[19:04] <tumbleweed> #topic Core-Dev applications
[19:05] <tumbleweed> #subtopic happyaron's core-dev application
[19:05] <tumbleweed> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AronXu/DeveloperApplication
[19:05] <tumbleweed> happyaron: care to introduce it?
[19:06] <happyaron> well, last month I joined Canonical's Desktop Team, so that my work focus has moved from only input method related packages to more about the desktop... So I think the best idea is to apply for core-dev role.
[19:06] <micahg-work> happyaron, what was your thinking behind that?
[19:06] <happyaron> I have PPU for input-method packages earlier this year.
[19:07] <happyaron> micahg-work: it's actually more related to my current work, which is a quite long term project (ubuntukylin) which needs updating their packages from time to time.
[19:08] <micahg-work> happyaron, were you aware there was a desktop packageset that can be applied for separately?
[19:08] <happyaron> I think from technical and procedure perspective I'm qualified for core-dev, and now I have to pinging around for uploading them.
[19:08] <ScottK> Ubuntu Kylin has it's own package set as well.
[19:09] <micahg-work> (and we can make an upload team for that as soon as someone is ready to apply for that)
[19:09] <happyaron> micahg-work: yes I know, I have looked at it and think it's still quite limited, at least most of my current focus isn't Ubuntu's desktop package set, but really not limited to ubuntukylin's one
[19:10] <ScottK> What recent uploads do you have that reflect your focus?
[19:10] <happyaron> youker-assistant, ubuntukylin-wallpapers, and there is some changes to fcitx pending upload.
[19:11] <micahg-work> the first two should be in the Kylin packageset
[19:12] <micahg-work> fcitx you already have upload rights for through the input methods packageset
[19:12] <happyaron> there are also changes to fonts planned for next cycle. It isn't so obvious because the project is still in an early stage.
[19:12] <happyaron> yes.
[19:14] <happyaron> I know that you are very cautious on granting core-dev upload rights, but I do think ubuntukylin for me is a long term project to enhance Chinese support in Ubuntu in certain sense, and packageset will not be able to fullfill the requirement.
[19:15] <barry> happyaron: why not?  what's missing?
[19:16] <happyaron> barry: it's not simply a project make a few new packages, but involves dealing with a more wide range of stuff. For example, we don't want to keep fonts in ubuntukylin's packageset, right?
[19:16] <micahg-work> if they're Kylin specific, why not?
[19:17] <micahg-work> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/packagesets/saucy/ubuntukylin
[19:17] <micahg-work> seems incomplete
[19:17] <happyaron> but why fonts becomes kylin specific? there are only a small number of available fonts for use and they are meant for all Chinese users.
[19:17] <ScottK> Packagesets are inclusive, not exclusive.
[19:17] <micahg-work> ooh, there is a team
[19:18] <ScottK> If it's in the packageset, people can get upload rights they wouldn't have, but it doesn't prevent others from uploading too.
[19:18] <ScottK> So there's no downside.
[19:18] <stgraber> micahg-work: I just added youker-assistant and ubuntukylin-wallpapers to the kylin packageset now
[19:18] <micahg-work> stgraber, thanks
[19:18] <stgraber> micahg-work: that packageset isn't seed based like the others as they don't have a seed, it needs me to manually update it whenever something new gets in the image (and nobody nagged me about it apparently ;))
[19:21]  * micahg-work wonders why Kylin doesn't have a seed
[19:21] <ScottK> happyaron: It seems like you're immediate work is mostly on UbuntuKylin as are your recent contributions.
[19:22] <ScottK> micahg-work: I think it's on someone's TODO list.
[19:22] <happyaron> micahg-work: it was a baby project, and yes it's on TODO
[19:22] <micahg-work> ok
[19:22] <happyaron> ScottK: I joined last month, and it's my first task to work on
[19:23] <ScottK> Right.  Normally we grant rights based on demonstrated past performance, not anticipated future needs.
[19:25] <ScottK> happyaron: What can you tell me about where we are in the release schedule now and what that means for what you can upload?
[19:26] <happyaron> ScottK: just past Beta1, in FF
[19:27] <happyaron> means only bug fixes can be uploaded, but new features must get approved before introducing
[19:27] <happyaron> i.e. new packages, new features, etc.
[19:27] <ScottK> If you change a package to generate a new binary that has to go through New, does that need an FFe?
[19:28] <happyaron> ScottK: I think yes.
[19:29] <happyaron> stuff uploaded before FF can go without FFe, even it is trapped in NEW for days that missed the freeze date.
[19:30] <ScottK> happyaron: That's correct.
[19:33] <tumbleweed> ok, it looks live we have no more questions, let's take this to a vote
[19:34] <tumbleweed> I think we'll take a vote on the core-dev application, and if it fails, vote on granting you membership of ubuntukylin-dev
[19:35] <tumbleweed> happyaron: does that work for you?
[19:35] <happyaron> yes
[19:35] <tumbleweed> #voters bdrung ScottK Laney micahg barry tumbleweed stgraber
[19:35] <meetingology> Current voters: Laney ScottK barry bdrung micahg stgraber tumbleweed
[19:36] <tumbleweed> #vote grant happyaron core-dev rights
[19:36] <meetingology> Please vote on: grant happyaron core-dev rights
[19:36] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[19:36] <stgraber> +0
[19:36] <meetingology> +0 received from stgraber
[19:36] <ScottK> -1
[19:36] <meetingology> -1 received from ScottK
[19:36] <tumbleweed> #voters bdrung ScottK Laney micahg barry tumbleweed stgraber micahg-work
[19:36] <meetingology> Current voters: Laney ScottK barry bdrung micahg micahg-work stgraber tumbleweed
[19:36] <micahg-work> -1 lack of archive wide experience
[19:36] <meetingology> -1 lack of archive wide experience received from micahg-work
[19:36] <ScottK> Not enough recent history of broad contribution.  Be glad to see you back after that changes.
[19:37] <barry> -1 ubuntukylin-dev membership is more appropriate at this time
[19:37] <meetingology> -1 ubuntukylin-dev membership is more appropriate at this time received from barry
[19:37] <happyaron> ok
[19:37] <micahg-work> I concur with ScottK as well
[19:37] <tumbleweed> +0 [ a DD, yes, but not enough broad experience in Ubuntu, or core-dev endorsement ]
[19:37] <meetingology> +0 [ a DD, yes, but not enough broad experience in Ubuntu, or core-dev endorsement ] received from tumbleweed
[19:38] <barry> -1
[19:38] <meetingology> -1 received from barry
[19:38] <tumbleweed> #endvote
[19:38] <meetingology> Voting ended on: grant happyaron core-dev rights
[19:38] <meetingology> Votes for:0 Votes against:3 Abstentions:2
[19:38] <meetingology> Motion denied
[19:38] <tumbleweed> ok, that wasn't carried, let's go for ubuntukylin-dev
[19:39] <tumbleweed> #vote should happyaron be granted membership of ubuntukylin-dev?
[19:39] <meetingology> Please vote on: should happyaron be granted membership of ubuntukylin-dev?
[19:39] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[19:39] <tumbleweed> +1
[19:39] <meetingology> +1 received from tumbleweed
[19:39] <stgraber> +1
[19:39] <meetingology> +1 received from stgraber
[19:39] <barry> +1
[19:39] <meetingology> +1 received from barry
[19:39] <micahg-work> +1
[19:39] <meetingology> +1 received from micahg-work
[19:39] <ScottK> +1+1
[19:39] <meetingology> +1+1 received from ScottK
[19:39] <tumbleweed> heh
[19:39] <tumbleweed> #endvote
[19:39] <meetingology> Voting ended on: should happyaron be granted membership of ubuntukylin-dev?
[19:39] <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[19:39] <meetingology> Motion carried
[19:39] <tumbleweed> happyaron: congratulations, I hope that gives you what you need
[19:39] <happyaron> thank you
[19:40] <tumbleweed> and with luck, we'll see you back for core-dev in the future
[19:40] <happyaron> tumbleweed: will come back when I got more archive wide activity, :)
[19:40] <barry> happyaron: we look forward to it!
[19:40] <happyaron> :-)
[19:40] <ScottK> There's also ubuntu-desktop too.
[19:40] <micahg-work> and MOTU
[19:41] <tumbleweed> #topic any other business?
[19:41] <tumbleweed> I guess not
[19:41] <tumbleweed> #endmeeting
[19:42] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Sep  9 19:42:03 2013 UTC.
[19:42] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-09-09-19.03.moin.txt
[19:42] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-09-09-19.03.html
[19:42]  * tumbleweed loves short meetings
[19:42] <tumbleweed> thanks everyone
[19:42] <barry> thanks tumbleweed
[19:42] <stgraber> thanks!
[19:42] <tumbleweed> happyaron: LP membership granted
[19:42] <happyaron> thanks!