=== Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === nigelb is now known as no_one_1 === no_one_1 is now known as nigelb === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [08:23] Good morning all, happy Monday and happy Wonderful Weirdos Day! :-D [08:24] JamesTait: \o/ [08:24] i think we all suscribe to that [08:24] :D [08:28] Good morning peeps :) [08:28] did anyone else get a linkedin rquest from From Quynh Tu ? [08:28] i think he's aded the whole world [08:28] Not me :-( [08:29] Perhaps I'm not of this world then... [08:29] Nope, me neither [08:29] not me [08:29] ah ok [08:29] Not me, but I don't subscribe to that service [08:29] mungbean is special :) [08:29] That said, doesn't stop fictional people trying to invite me [08:29] = Everyone else isn't [08:29] i also reeived it on another email account i don't get linkedin mail on [08:30] so i thought somebody had done something naughty [08:32] mungbean: not looked yet. [08:33] no worries [08:33] thought it was a bit weird [08:34] 2 day week this week \o/ [08:35] I'm off tomorrow, it's the kids birthdays [08:37] i had a young colleague that was perplexed when i came to work on my brithday. he said his mum had always given him the day off school all his life [08:37] and always took the day off on his bday [08:37] lol we're quite lucky coz we only have 2 birthdays to deal with at the moment for 4 people :D [08:38] that was rather well implemented [08:38] yeah :) wife and I, and the two kids :D [08:39] mungbean: i got a random linked in request the other day. different guy, but they see to come in waves [08:39] it said dear matthew and i'm not matthew [08:40] foudn the person and i am 3 degrees of separation, so many they just got click happy..adding 10,000 people [08:40] also yesterday i followed deadmau5 on soundcloud and i've got a couple of bot followers already [08:40] they are in vietnam though [08:41] I get occasional linkedin requests and I've never even been on the linkedin website, never mind registered on it, I send the emails straight to trash [08:41] i get those, i don;t think they are really from linked in [08:42] because they go to spam directly, but real requests don't [08:42] even though the "real" requests are also people i never heard of who probably aren't even real [08:42] Yeah, pure spam with a dodgy obscured weblink to click on === scott is now known as Guest95037 [09:13] i wonder who 'scott' from ebuyer was? :) [09:13] good morning eveyrone. [09:14] hi [09:14] ello ello [09:14] what up [09:14] rainclouds [09:17] Good Morning [09:17] directhex: we just get clouds.. rain stopped a few hours ago [09:18] still raining here, :( [09:21] yeah, banbury is wet [09:22] drizzle here in Farnham. [09:22] very wet, and i had plans today too, [09:23] *NSFW* but a very funny 6minutes when you want a break: http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=Uv2fVaHSISw [09:25] http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/09/swigging-pig-hogs-18-beers?CMP=twt_gu [10:18] I'm really surprised to see little movement on 1216223 [10:19] bug 1216223 [10:19] bug 1216223 in ubuntu-wallpapers (Ubuntu) "Wallpapers for saucy salamander are being modified the wrong way, worsening their quality" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1216223 [10:23] SuperMatt: someone (you?) could propose a branch which contains better quality versions? [10:24] interesting [10:24] I'll mail the guy that gave me his compressed versions [10:25] but yes if someone can do it better without increasing size then do [10:25] why do we care about size? [10:26] image size isn't unbounded [10:26] not interested in arguing about that, fyi [10:27] arguments are next door :) [10:28] so was the wrong person assigned to the bug? [10:30] nobody's assigned [10:32] oh right, I must have read the bug report incorrectly [10:33] mailed the guy [10:39] has warty-final-ubuntu.png changed yet? [10:41] isn't it .jpg? [10:41] no, it is a jpeg, but the filename always has been png [10:41] forgot which way around it was [10:49] think i might try making home made pot noodle for lunch [10:49] if it works I'll make one for wifeys packed lunch tomorrow [10:54] If it doesn't work, it'll be for kids' packed lunches? [11:00] they have cooked dinner at school [11:00] * popey tries this madness now [11:04] home made pot noodle? [11:05] isn't that just regular noodles? [11:09] home made pot noodle? [11:09] ^ what he said [11:09] i'm eating that right now [11:11] pot noodle -> not poodle [11:11] One would hope not [11:13] pot noodle -> to lend poo [11:14] not looped [11:16] seem to have eye strain from too much time onthe dsi (xl) over the weekend [11:16] no idea how kids manage on the non xl versions === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [11:54] SuperMatt: not really [11:54] the thing is to make it in the morning or the night before, and be able to heat it with just a kettle / microwave [11:55] and have decent ingredients / taste [11:55] mine needs a bit of work [11:56] needs meat for a start! [11:57] cooked meat, reheated with boiling water? [11:59] sous-vide pot noodles? [11:59] yeah [12:00] chopped into tiny bits [12:00] need something to thicken too [12:00] although if it's noodle soup that's not so bad [12:00] had pasty for lunch. regret it now. [12:01] * TheOpenSourcerer had a chicken vindaloo baguette ;-) [12:02] Was mor chicken than vindaloo mind you :-( === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:14] Think I have improved the recipe [12:15] http://blog.grubman.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/ChickFilA_EatMorChikin.jpg [12:17] if only chick-fil-a weren't evil [12:19] http://pad.ubuntu.com/NotPoodle is my first go at it [12:19] directhex: why evil? [12:20] and are they in the uK? [12:20] they're massively anti-gay-marriage I think? [12:20] among other things [12:20] popey: the CEO gave money to a charity. [12:20] i may be mis-remembering then [12:20] the twitter people blew it up massively [12:20] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23572742 [12:20] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chick-fil-A_same-sex_marriage_controversy [12:21] ". Of this, more than $3 million was donated primarily to Christian organizations whose agendas included positions that some consider to be anti-gay" [12:21] mungbean, they're a militantly "conservative christian" group (ever wonder why they're closed on sundays) and has donated millions to fighting against lgbt causes [12:22] it all depends on your POV [12:23] my POV is the family research council see *anti-bullying* programmes as dangerously pro-gay, so fight against anything that would help reduce bullying in schools [12:23] ಠ_ಠ [12:23] so everyone who pays chick-fil-a for food is directly and intentionally funding teenage suicide [12:23] lol [12:23] which, as someone who was bullied as a kid, isn't a cause i wish to support financially [12:25] they gave $2M in 2010, and $1,000 dollars to FRC who promoite traditional family values [12:26] "promote traditional family values" is coded language [12:26] For? [12:26] man-woman marriages. hardly coded [12:27] evryone has an agenda [12:27] some companies gave to the labour party who then went to war on a lie [12:27] some people have weird ideas [12:27] MartijnVdS, for "anti-gay, no matter the cost" [12:28] what does anti-gay mean [12:28] directhex: also anti-divorce? because otherwise they'd be inconsistent. [12:28] MartijnVdS, no, not anti divorce [12:28] divorce is fine, as long as it's straight divorce [12:28] "he FRC supports the requirement of a one-year waiting period before a married couple with children can legally get a divorce so that they can receive marital counseling, unless the marriage involves domestic violence" [12:28] directhex: because that's a traditional family value? [12:28] MartijnVdS, hence "coded language" [12:29] MartijnVdS: since Henry VIII, or thereabouts [12:29] mgdm: well, yes, on your side of the pond. [12:29] mgdm: We've been under catholic rule for a bit longer.. and "our" protestants don't like divorce that much either. [12:30] good thing they're almost completely extinct now [12:30] there was a programme on the radio earlier about maersk [12:30] need to find it because I didn't finish it [12:30] popey: shipping company? [12:30] ah, book of the week [12:30] yes [12:30] http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b039pdsw/Book_of_the_Week_Deep_Sea_and_Foreign_Going_Inside_Shipping_the_Invisible_Industry_Episode_1/ [12:30] I know a few folk who've worked for them [12:30] worth listening to [12:31] (Where I'm from ,there's a decent number of people who go into the merchant navy in some form) [12:31] mungbean, the SPLC is pretty much the gold standard for indexing of various hate groups, here's the FRC's section on their site: http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/groups/family-research-council [12:31] in the intro she explained how much it contributes to the .dk economy.. something like a third or so [12:32] directhex: and the chicken place gave 1000$ to them in 2010 [12:34] KFC have a picture of rolf harris on their buckets [12:35] mungbean, try following the actual citations. http://equalitymatters.org/blog/201103220005 [12:36] e.g. filtering $0.6M through the National Christian Foundation, whose sole purpose is to filter money down to groups like FRC [12:36] directhex: that article is full of bias "anti gay groups" [12:36] as if the raison d'etre is to be anti gay [12:37] as a christian I find it abhorrant that lgbt people are allowed to be forced to not be allowed to marry :-p [12:37] they provided catering for a marriage course [12:37] (I tried hard to make that sound as anti gay as possible while being as pro gay as possible!) [12:37] "Fellowship of Christian Athletes" - that sounds like an anti gay organisation?? [12:38] diddledan: I find it pretty crazy too, that the church has so much to say about this [12:38] sounds like an organisation supporting christian athelete [12:38] In a fair society it's only right and proper that gay couples have the mundanity of marriage inflicted upon them the same as everyone else [12:38] you can't tell much from the names [12:38] What makes them so special that they get let off? [12:39] * dwatkins tries to choose an opportune moment to go get a cup of tea when his computer actually will be busy for more than 3 seconds [12:40] mungbean, they're supporters of the "ex gay" movement, which has been dismissed by every credible psychologist in the world as extremely harmful [12:40] directhex: take a step back and consider whether christian charities are doing things other than sitting around bashing gays all day. huge amount of schools and hospitals and social charities were setup by christians [12:40] as I said, I identify as christian. I find it an offence to my beliefs that my religion is being used to promote hatred. [12:41] mungbean, take a step back and consider whether it is possible for people to do good without doing so at the behest of their god. [12:42] directhex: quite the reverse, in fact [12:42] [if any] [12:42] religious people are less likely to have a solid moral framework [12:42] that isn't what we're talking about though, the link you sne t me said that christian athlete cahrity was anti-gay [12:42] just because it was christian [12:42] I'd go so far as to say that Christianity is incompatible with morality [12:42] gordonjcp, it is a widely held belief by theists that it is not possible for an atheist to have a moral character [12:42] this discussino is now turning into reddit [12:42] gordonjcp, as morality only works when backed up by supernatural stick-and-carrot [12:42] this is an interesting discussion, but somewhat offtopic [12:43] directhex: right, but it's the opposite way round [12:43] directhex: if a theist believes that they will be forgiven by their god no matter what they do, they have no real need for a solid system of morals [12:43] what does it matter to them? They get forgiven and go to heaven just the same [12:44] AlanBell, yes, it is. and i'm sorry for perpetuating it. but the handwavery of "oh it's fine, their name says they're loving and caring" when they help teenagers kill themselves is something i find vexatious [12:44] I have a solid system of morals because in *this* life I'd prefer it if people didn't think I was a horrible bastard that goes about being nasty to people [12:46] everyone see intel blocking Canonicals patches for xmir? [12:46] yes, is it actually true? [12:46] AlanBell: yeah, I saw that last night on omg!ubuntu [12:46] saw a phoronix story so thought i'd wait [12:46] AlanBell, i saw. [12:46] everyone saw it [12:46] AlanBell, the reasoning stated so far is interesting [12:46] i called my mum, she saw [12:46] http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-intel/log/ various commits in there [12:47] AlanBell, i.e. i wouldn't blame them if it was "we don't trust that canonical will do the required maintenance on this crap, and we don't want to maintain it ourselves". but the stated reasoning is "yeah, this stuff's slow, and if nvidia/ati get to bypass it & use xorg, we are too" [12:47] why is it slow? [12:47] it's all inside #ifdefs [12:48] i suppose some of it checks a variable [12:48] where was that stated? All I have seen is this http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-intel/commit/?id=218c9901e55e10fb5bc0c2a4caa04b1bee741a25 [12:48] what's the relationship with Xmir vs mir? [12:48] diddledan: http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/26254.html [12:48] thanks popey [12:49] mhall and mjg discussion on g+ was amusing [12:49] AlanBell, i saw it mentioned in some surrounding discussion. might be on an FDO mailing list. i'll check [12:49] ok, so Xmir still runs mir backend. surely then the intel drivers would be interfacing with mir rather than xmir? [12:50] since mhall tried to use the exact same argument against me, which is now being thrown back at him [12:50] ali1234: i missed that [12:50] popey: you reshared it, that's hte only reason i saw it [12:50] oh, must have carried on after I went to bed then [12:50] yes it went on for a bit [12:50] i saw it this morning [12:50] and I thought mir used the same driver stack as wayland (which the intel drivers do target) [12:51] no, i +1'd that, didn't share it [12:51] +1 now reshares things [12:51] well, yes [12:51] http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2013-September/056006.html seems pretty grumpy [12:51] popey: the "pad.ubuntu.com" link doesn't work.. it claims I'm not authorized. [12:51] i think chris would like to include the patches [12:51] popey: wait, i actually saw it because ogra did reshare it [12:51] MartijnVdS: what's your launchpad ID? [12:51] but intel are invested in wayland [12:52] popey: "You are currently logged in as https://login.ubuntu.com/+id/w8WFDJK" [12:52] MartijnVdS: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-etherpad/+members join that [12:54] popey: done, still no access? [12:55] i think you have to be approved [12:55] ah [12:55] * AlanBell approves [12:55] \o/ [12:57] I'm approved now, still no worky [12:57] * dwatkins approves of MartijnVdS [12:57] ah [12:57] log out & back in again [12:58] switch it off then on again... === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:02] Morning all welcome to bostonian time [13:02] davmor2: Boston? Rescuing tea? [13:03] MartijnVdS: no the rest of my team are in boston so I'm working on their timezone [13:05] good morning === DGJones is now known as DJones [13:31] Hi all, I think i found one broken package but, not sure how to report it. It's aboute the zabbix-agent package on 10.04.4 LTS , and the issue is with the init script, [13:32] also the version what I can see on the web is not the same as what i can see with apt-cache search/show [13:35] !info zabbix-agent [13:35] zabbix-agent (source: zabbix): network monitoring solution - agent. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:2.0.2+dfsg-3 (quantal), package size 277 kB, installed size 676 kB [13:37] dwatkins: I have 2.0.0 from the repo but on the web i can see only 1.8 but anyway the init script is broken. [13:38] halt: what do you mean by on the web you only see 1.8? [13:38] davmor2: this http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/zabbix-agent [13:38] Candidate: 1:1.8.11-1 [13:39] * bigcalm rumbles in [13:39] bigcalm: "let's get ready to rumble" [13:39] !info zabbix-agent precise [13:39] zabbix-agent (source: zabbix): network monitoring solution - agent. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.8.11-1 (precise), package size 217 kB, installed size 608 kB [13:39] hang on , 10.04 is lucid innit? [13:39] !info zabbix-agent lucid [13:39] zabbix-agent (source: zabbix): network monitoring solution - agent. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.8.1-1ubuntu1 (lucid), package size 223 kB, installed size 544 kB [13:40] halt, Which repo have you got version 2.0.0 from? [13:40] DJones: lucid main universe [13:41] type apt-cache policy zabbix-agent [13:42] mungbean: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6083515/ [13:44] Is this on a real hardware, or is it a cloud based install [13:44] mungbean: here is my source list http://paste.ubuntu.com/6083527/ [13:44] DJones: AWS EC" [13:44] s/"/2 [13:45] at some point you installed a debian version [13:45] of the deb [13:46] I suspect that might well be the problem, its not something I've had experience of personally, but I'm pretty sure I've seen issues where the AWS repo's don't match the official ubuntu repo's [13:46] * SuperMatt scratches his head a little [13:46] mungbean: well hard to image how that possible but, fair enoght let's say it's possible and happend what you suggest how to fix it ? [13:47] I'm trying to cross compile nginx for arm. How do I tell the ./configure and make programs to use the crosscompile version of gcc? [13:47] halt: sudo apt-get purge zabbix-agent && sudo apt-get install zabbix-agent [13:47] nginx for arm? you running it on your phone? [13:47] no, for an embedded device [13:48] davmor2: it's worst to try let's see [13:51] davmor2: hmm ok that's resolved the sissue with the version but does not resolve the init stipt, it's still report incorrent status of the service, and it's even failed to run [13:52] i wonder what else you installed? try dpkg --list | grep squeeze [13:54] halt: pass then there are others that might be able to help you more [13:54] mungbean: nothing else is comming from debian just checked [13:55] maybe there is a zabbix channel now yuo are getting onto specific app issues? [13:56] mungbean: I'm on it, and waiting for now the officaial zabbix repo address, to fix this [13:56] let's hope so the officail package is not broken [13:58] halt: you might want to make sure that when you purge the init script is actually removed, it might be that the faulty one was left behind. if it is purge the package and then remove the init script and then install the package again maybe [13:59] davmor2: good point let me try to remove the init script and test it again, but anyhow i will need an ppa or external repo to upgrade the package, i need a bit newer then 2.8 maybe this is why someone ( colleague of my ) install the debian package, but still a good question how .. [14:00] and check all zabbix-client are removed [14:01] just double checked, and the purge remove the init script so this is the new one, which means it's broken in the repo as well [14:04] how do you know the init script is broke? [14:04] and not something else? [14:14] can you start the daemon manually? [14:14] mungbean: the script try to read an not existing PID file and then also it's try to get the infro from /proc based on the pid [14:15] yes i can start it and then i see it in the ps , but the status is runing all the time reagardless if it's runing or not [14:20] I installed the zabbix repo, and that pacakge has a valid, init script, so it's resolved for me but it whould be good idea to report it as bug [14:21] Can one specify a ssh key to use with git on a specific server from the CLI? That is, not via editing ~/.ssh/config [14:23] bigcalm: you can't [14:23] bigcalm: unless you make some kind of wrapper script, and set that as the GIT_SSH command in the environment [14:23] Knickers [14:24] mgdm: that's fine [14:24] bigcalm: this is all from 'man git' and search for ssh :) [14:24] :P [14:24] Thanks [14:24] i htought anything you can put in config can be done on the command line [14:25] not in git's command line [14:25] oh, i see [14:26] For the sake of this gitlab migration script, I _might_ just use a new key in the .ssh/config file [14:26] It's not as neat as I would have liked [14:27] bigcalm: export GIT_SSH='ssh -F /path/to/alternate/config' might work [14:27] so you can have a separate SSH config file [14:27] (untested, but seems plausible from a quick reading of the relevant man pages) [14:27] Oo, yes, that could work [14:28] * bigcalm tinkers [14:28] Ta === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea [14:33] popey, bigcalm Do you see this about Minecraft from a couple of days ago? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23572742 [14:34] DJones: I saw the headline but didn't get around to reading it [14:34] Its quite good, I liked the descript of it as "digital lego" [14:39] The Lego comparison has been there since day 1 === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [14:51] error: cannot run ssh -F /home/iain/www/system_scripts/git/gitlab_project_migrate/ssh/config: No such file or directory [14:51] * bigcalm scratches his head [14:51] That file does exist [14:53] selinux? [14:53] permissions? [14:53] thats not the whole command line though [14:54] ? [14:54] mgdm: ubuntu [14:55] "ssh -F /home/iain/www/system_scripts/git/gitlab_project_migrate/ssh/config" isn't a file [14:55] mungbean: it's all I wrote. Googling and reading says I should wrap the command [14:55] did you just put that whole string in GIT_SSH? [14:55] Yes [14:55] well, you can't do that... [14:55] Following mgdm's example [14:55] the git manpage specifically says that won't work :P [14:56] bigcalm: stick that command line in a .sh file and set that as GIT_SSH, then [14:59] Seems I need to pass all arguments into it as well [14:59] Is there an argument for $n ? [15:00] "$@" [15:07] who in their right mind names a font "vag"? [15:07] "I put vag on your site for you, and if you look you'll be able to see it" [15:08] "what do you mean you want more vag?" [15:08] both paraphrases of things I've mentioned to colleagues [15:08] or colleagues have said to me [15:16] you're right, there's something a bit fishy about it [15:16] too much [15:17] :-p [15:23] * bigcalm bounces [15:23] Migration script works [15:23] Now to let it walk over 124 projects [15:25] sounds scary [15:25] migrating what? [15:25] i need a redmine migration script :( [15:26] directhex: migrate redmine to what? [15:26] directhex: migrating gitlab projects from gitlab2 on server A to gitlab6 on server B [15:26] bigcalm: sounds scary [15:27] what happens if 123 projects migrate but the last one fials? [15:27] diddledan: fun. I like APIs. I tend to write a lot of them, so it's nice to use other people's when they are well documented [15:27] diddledan, migrating redmine projects - PROJECTS, not whole instances - from server A to server B [15:27] directhex: ouch [15:28] directhex: afaict redmine tends to be a black box [15:28] diddledan, which is basically impossible as redmine uses a per-server incrementing counter as its primary key for all the things, so the only way to do a migration is to renumber every issue etc - and parse all the text inside them to renumber references to other tickets too [15:29] that's even worse than than ouch [15:29] that doesn't sound impossible, just slow [15:31] the copy process does that but on the same server [15:31] and probably doesn't repoint references to issues properly [15:32] directhex: can you copy the whole thing, then delete the projects you don't want, or is it really moving projects onto an already used server? [15:33] AlanBell, the latter [15:33] good luck with that :/ [15:34] there's a script, but it's mysql-only, and assumes no plugins store data on tickets [15:34] (we use advanced roadmap) [15:35] o/ [15:35] !info gedit raring [15:35] gedit (source: gedit): official text editor of the GNOME desktop environment. In component main, is optional. Version 3.6.2-0ubuntu1 (raring), package size 519 kB, installed size 2699 kB [15:55] Is there a nice markdown viewer that I can write documents in before throwing them into git? [15:56] !info retext [15:56] retext (source: retext): Simple text editor for Markdown and reStructuredText. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.1.4-0ubuntu0.1 (quantal), package size 66 kB, installed size 321 kB [15:56] * bigcalm gives it a go [15:57] Heh, the menu icons don't show [15:57] yay globalmenus [16:02] Oh, not menu, tool bar [16:13] MartijnVdS: storywar just arrived [16:16] popey: Your estimated delivery date is: Monday, October 07, 2013 [16:16] popey: might have to wait a while for that blog review :) [16:20] popey: I'm expecting mine this week or next [16:20] popey: depending on the efficiency of US->NL postal services [16:22] http://www.networkworld.com/reviews/2013/090913-ubuntu-test-273462.html hmmmmmm [16:33] ARGH! [16:33] bigcalm: hm? [16:34] Access denied on a git repo I was happily using last night [16:34] bigcalm: Linus did it [16:34] * bigcalm sighs a hefty sigh at computer things [16:34] MartijnVdS: I bet he did! [16:34] bigcalm: time for an evening of non-computer things! [16:34] Noo, I'm so close with this one thing [16:35] I want to check in my migration script and then have it migrate all of the projects [16:35] Right, I can access other repos on the same server [16:35] So there is something wrong with the repo itself [16:37] Oh my [16:38] Just looked at the .git/config, the URL was for a different project on a different server [16:38] * bigcalm eyes Linus [16:38] Changed URL and it works [16:38] *\o/* [16:39] Nice pompoms [16:39] MartijnVdS's hobby has been coming along nicely [16:39] MartijnVdS: any luck starting a local dance troop? [16:39] I'd do them in colour too if the channel wasn't +c [16:39] daftykins: Nobody wants to join [16:40] aww :( [16:40] maybe the uniform you designed is ugly? [16:40] daftykins: what's wrong with frilly socks? [16:41] you'd have to ask them :( [16:42] maybe the problem is that it's *only* frilly socks? [16:42] that could well be! [16:42] you could at least add a belt [16:43] a wrestler's belt! good idea [16:44] *\8/* [16:44] ^ added belt [16:44] Around the neck? [16:45] Or are those your legs in the air? [16:45] maybe.. [16:48]