cocooncrash | inetpro: Thanks :) | 03:24 |
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Kilos | morning superfly and others | 06:10 |
superfly | guten morgen Kilos | 06:20 |
barrydk | Good morning all | 06:25 |
superfly | hi barrydk | 06:34 |
Kilos | hi barrydk bduk1 | 06:34 |
Squirm | morning | 06:35 |
Squirm | Maaz: coffee on | 06:35 |
* Maaz starts grinding coffee | 06:35 | |
Squirm | Maaz: large | 06:35 |
Maaz | In a beer mug just for you Squirm | 06:35 |
Squirm | Maaz: larger | 06:35 |
Maaz | inna bucket for you Squirm | 06:35 |
Squirm | ! | 06:35 |
Kilos | hi Squirm | 06:35 |
Squirm | Maaz: even larger | 06:35 |
Maaz | Squirm: Excuse me? | 06:35 |
Squirm | :/ | 06:35 |
Squirm | heya Kilos | 06:35 |
Kilos | hehe | 06:35 |
Squirm | I'm tired :/ | 06:35 |
Kilos | Maaz, coffee please | 06:35 |
Maaz | Kilos: Done | 06:35 |
Kilos | whew so early | 06:36 |
Maaz | Coffee's ready for Squirm and Kilos! | 06:39 |
Kilos | Maaz, danke | 06:39 |
Maaz | Bitteschön | 06:39 |
Squirm | Maaz: botsnack | 06:40 |
Maaz | Thank you thank you, munch munch chomp chomp | 06:40 |
mazal | Morning everyone | 07:10 |
Kilos | hi mazal | 07:19 |
ThatGraemeGuy | mornings | 07:52 |
inetpro | good morning | 07:55 |
inetpro | oh and hi Kilos | 07:55 |
Kilos | hi ThatGraemeGuy inetpro | 07:55 |
Kilos | hi Vince-0 | 08:13 |
Vince-0 | Hi kbmonkey | 08:21 |
Vince-0 | I mean Kilos | 08:21 |
Kilos | hehe | 08:21 |
Kilos | hi psyatw | 08:23 |
psyatw | hi Kilos | 08:24 |
psyatw | hi charl | 08:39 |
Kilos | hi charl | 08:40 |
charl | hi Kilos | 08:45 |
charl | hi psyatw | 08:45 |
Kilos | hiya maiatoday all well? | 09:09 |
maiatoday | yup thanks Kilos, you? | 09:38 |
Kilos | me be fine ty maiatoday | 09:58 |
barrydk | lekke slaap almal | 12:17 |
mazal | Bye everyone , enjoy the evening | 12:45 |
inetpro | hmm... | 13:24 |
theblazehen | hi | 13:25 |
theblazehen | hmm? | 13:25 |
Kilos | hi theblazehen | 13:38 |
theblazehen | hi kilos | 13:38 |
Kilos | what you breaking inetpro ? | 13:38 |
inetpro | ai! | 13:39 |
Kilos | hehe | 13:39 |
ThatGraemeGuy | sjoe! | 13:54 |
ThatGraemeGuy | busy monday eh? :) | 13:54 |
Kilos | hehe very quite ThatGraemeGuy | 15:39 |
ThatGraemeGuy | :-D | 15:40 |
Kilos | hi nlsthzn | 15:53 |
nlsthzn | good evening uncle Kilos | 15:54 |
Kilos | about hometime ThatGraemeGuy | 15:54 |
ThatGraemeGuy | yeah just about | 15:54 |
ThatGraemeGuy | 8 more (work) days, woop woop! | 15:55 |
Kilos | yay | 15:55 |
Kilos | you not gonna loaf otherside | 15:55 |
ThatGraemeGuy | eh? | 15:55 |
Kilos | will be even more with sorting other peeps out | 15:55 |
Kilos | are you having a break first? | 15:56 |
ThatGraemeGuy | oh | 15:58 |
ThatGraemeGuy | nope, starting on friday | 15:58 |
Kilos | i hope its everything you can wish for | 15:58 |
ThatGraemeGuy | i was off for 6 weeks when baby was born in Dec, not needing a break just yet :) | 15:58 |
Kilos | walk softly and carry a big stick | 15:58 |
Kilos | aw you got a tiny one | 15:59 |
Kilos | thats lekker | 15:59 |
ThatGraemeGuy | i won't be able to enter mybb competitions anymore :-( | 15:59 |
Kilos | hehe | 15:59 |
ThatGraemeGuy | looking forward to it nonetheless :D | 15:59 |
ThatGraemeGuy | anyhoo | 15:59 |
ThatGraemeGuy | time to duck | 15:59 |
ThatGraemeGuy | night night! | 15:59 |
Kilos | go well | 16:00 |
Kilos | havva good night | 16:00 |
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Kilos | Maaz, seen magespawn | 16:28 |
Maaz | Kilos: magespawn was last seen 19 hours, 17 minutes and 56 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2013-09-08 23:10:08 SAST], and has been online on freenode since 2013-09-09 00:19:33 SAST | 16:28 |
magespawn | Kilos YOU SUMMONED ME? | 16:34 |
Kilos | hehe no man just wondered where you are | 16:34 |
Kilos | no game drives inna dark | 16:34 |
magespawn | That was my genie in the bottle voice | 16:35 |
Kilos | hahaha | 16:35 |
magespawn | no game drives, new job today | 16:35 |
Kilos | all good? | 16:35 |
Kilos | today already? | 16:35 |
magespawn | Yup part time when I am driving till the end of the month, then full time next month | 16:36 |
Kilos | ah | 16:37 |
nlsthzn | g night all | 17:14 |
magespawn | Kilos I still have maybe 5 or 6 drives till the end of the month, so the shop is officially clossed | 17:33 |
Kilos | ah ok | 17:33 |
magespawn | lots of work to be done, and it looks like they have an asterisk phone server | 17:34 |
Kilos | but its a working system at the moment hey? | 17:35 |
Kilos | or you walking into a crashed place? | 17:36 |
magespawn | the systems work but they are not very fault tolerant | 17:36 |
magespawn | http://www.asterisk.org/ | 17:36 |
magespawn | that and the new gm wants everything to be run in house in case there are any problems | 17:37 |
Kilos | so will that mean setting up a server for it all | 17:38 |
Kilos | locally that is | 17:38 |
magespawn | yes they have email through a custom domain with google so that I do not have to worry about. | 17:39 |
Kilos | well you know how to setup a linux server then its just tying all the win pcs to it | 17:40 |
magespawn | but everything else yes, and they seem to want anything to do with a pc to be my job, including things like the facebook page | 17:40 |
Kilos | and the wireless | 17:40 |
Kilos | oh my | 17:40 |
magespawn | and they want the lodge to go to at least 4 star so everything has to be neat | 17:41 |
Kilos | fb seems to be what everyone looks at | 17:41 |
Kilos | except me | 17:41 |
magespawn | the wiring is an absolute mess at the moment | 17:42 |
magespawn | good for communications with guests and other interested people | 17:42 |
Kilos | yeah and like advertising | 17:42 |
Kilos | wiring? | 17:42 |
Kilos | methunk it was al wireless | 17:43 |
Kilos | glue guns work well to hide wiring | 17:45 |
magespawn | wiring is still one of the best ways of getting a netwrok spread around between buildings | 17:45 |
Kilos | oh is it a lot of buildings all over? no like a hotel | 17:46 |
magespawn | it is a lodge with a few buldings spread out | 17:49 |
magespawn | the guest internet has to be wifi and seperated from the hotel network which will have wired and wireless | 17:50 |
Kilos | ok | 17:50 |
magespawn | but it looks like they are willing to tear almost everything down and start again | 17:56 |
Kilos | thats good for you though | 17:57 |
Kilos | then its all done your way | 17:57 |
Kilos | you wont have a prob like that one at the hotel | 17:57 |
magespawn | yes very, means i do not have to tear my hair out when dealing with somebody elses cables | 17:57 |
Kilos | lol | 17:58 |
magespawn | tomorrow i want to see where they stand on the issue of training | 18:00 |
Kilos | training? | 18:00 |
magespawn | as in paying for LPIC exams | 18:00 |
Kilos | ah | 18:00 |
Kilos | just use debian stuff there, redhat no lekker | 18:02 |
Kilos | uses that xdm thing like xfce | 18:03 |
Kilos | and too much unneccessary hassles to get permissions for stuffs | 18:03 |
charl | good evening | 18:04 |
Kilos | hi charly | 18:05 |
charl | hi Kilos | 18:05 |
Kilos | hi stegreen | 18:05 |
Kilos | wb | 18:05 |
magespawn | hi charl | 18:07 |
charl | hi magespawn | 18:08 |
charl | have you guys taken a look at off-the-record messaging via jabber http://public.tfh-berlin.de/~s30935/ | 18:08 |
Kilos | otr in pidgin rocks | 18:09 |
Kilos | can work on xchat too but more work to setup | 18:09 |
charl | apparently centerim supports or did support it | 18:12 |
charl | but it seems like they removed it | 18:12 |
charl | or otherwise i can't find the relevant documentation | 18:12 |
charl | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/centerim/4.22.5-1ubuntu1 | 18:12 |
charl | centerim (4.22.3-1) unstable; urgency=high Added OTR (Off-the-Record Messaging) support. | 18:12 |
charl | centerim (4.22.5-1) unstable; urgency=low | 18:13 |
charl | Removed the debian/patches/CVE-2008-1467.dpatch patch because the new upstream version fixed it directly. | 18:13 |
charl | gah sorry, wrong paste | 18:13 |
charl | Removed the OTR (Off-the-Record Messaging) support because it resulted some buggy. | 18:13 |
Kilos | whats centerim? | 18:14 |
Kilos | an im goodie | 18:15 |
charl | a headless instant messaging client | 18:15 |
Kilos | you dont like pidgin? | 18:16 |
Kilos | with a head | 18:16 |
charl | no i actually hate pidgin | 18:16 |
Kilos | how can anything think without a head | 18:16 |
charl | one of the worst IM clients i ever used | 18:16 |
Kilos | ai! | 18:17 |
Kilos | first with otr | 18:17 |
charl | it's not supposed to think, it's supposed to let me do the thinking :) | 18:17 |
charl | or the predecessor to pidgin, what was it called, gaim | 18:17 |
charl | i think that would be psy | 18:17 |
charl | the first to have otr | 18:17 |
Kilos | never heard of it | 18:17 |
charl | it's a really old jabber client | 18:18 |
charl | not very popular these days | 18:18 |
charl | it was one of the first i used | 18:18 |
Kilos | pidgin works everywhere | 18:18 |
charl | i haven't used pidgin recently but i used to hate it | 18:18 |
charl | but i'm looking for a headless client | 18:18 |
Kilos | maybe you grew up some now | 18:18 |
Kilos | hehe | 18:18 |
charl | lol | 18:19 |
Kilos | whats headless? no gui | 18:19 |
charl | yes | 18:19 |
charl | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headless_software | 18:19 |
Kilos | hi jhb_hacker | 18:20 |
jhb_hacker | hi Kilos | 18:21 |
charl | actually i want to start a new project but i need some people to work with me on it | 18:21 |
charl | hi jhb_hacker | 18:21 |
jhb_hacker | hi charl | 18:21 |
Kilos | start with pidgin and ill help you | 18:21 |
Kilos | hehe | 18:21 |
charl | not going backwards ... :( | 18:21 |
Kilos | headless is backwards | 18:22 |
charl | i have the head, the software is the tail :P | 18:22 |
Kilos | thats why we have minimising and many workspaces | 18:22 |
charl | headless is why we have good terminal emulators and screen / xmux whatever | 18:22 |
charl | tmux | 18:22 |
Kilos | even the pro uses pidgin | 18:26 |
Kilos | you one of those that uses copper coins because gold is too shiny? | 18:27 |
Kilos | joking | 18:27 |
Kilos | inetpro, help | 18:28 |
Kilos | whats coming hmm... or ai! | 18:31 |
Kilos | or uh.. | 18:31 |
Kilos | magespawn, that asterisk thing can work on ubuntu as well | 18:44 |
Kilos | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AsteriskOnUbuntu | 18:44 |
Kilos | can you setup a buntu server with asterisk installed in it? | 18:45 |
Kilos | oh magespawn asterisk is in the repos | 18:59 |
charl | hi back | 19:00 |
charl | lol Kilos :P | 19:00 |
Kilos | hehe | 19:00 |
Kilos | i love pidgin | 19:00 |
Kilos | so there | 19:00 |
charl | you don't have to defend it :P | 19:01 |
charl | but anyway i am thinking of a new architecture altogether | 19:01 |
Kilos | hahaha | 19:01 |
charl | but i first will need to make a few diagrams | 19:01 |
charl | but basically i want a fully end-to-end encrypted system | 19:01 |
charl | but having everything still going through a central server | 19:01 |
Kilos | i saw some stuffs for security purposes today | 19:02 |
charl | the central server should have as close as possible a zero-knowlege system | 19:02 |
Kilos | tripwire and aide | 19:02 |
charl | that's intrusion detection | 19:02 |
charl | i'm not too keen on those systems | 19:02 |
Kilos | oh ya | 19:02 |
charl | they are often easily circumvented | 19:02 |
Kilos | can peeps still get in even if you have no open ports? | 19:03 |
charl | xmpp is great but it's overcomplex and the stanzas use too much bandwidth | 19:03 |
charl | and it's not really secure | 19:03 |
charl | the idea is that you don't need stun | 19:04 |
Kilos | you mean for your whole system or just the im thing | 19:04 |
charl | the instant messaging system | 19:04 |
charl | it should be mobile friendly as well as desktop | 19:05 |
Kilos | otr in pidgin encrypts 2 pcs to each other and works everytime | 19:05 |
Kilos | thats they idea of otr isnt it | 19:05 |
charl | yes but it's still running over xmpp and isn't universally implemented in all clients | 19:06 |
charl | it's something that's layered on top | 19:06 |
Kilos | it worked here on aim and msn and one other thing too | 19:07 |
Kilos | havent tried it with mxit | 19:07 |
charl | yes because it's layered on top but most people don't even know it exists | 19:08 |
magespawn | yes Kilos, the software is open source, a bit strange as some of it is not | 19:08 |
Kilos | charl, what about dcc chat | 19:09 |
Kilos | will that work or your decapitated thing | 19:10 |
Kilos | thats pc to pc | 19:10 |
charl | no that's not what i'm thinking about at all | 19:10 |
inetpro | charl: sounds like you're in for some fun | 19:10 |
Kilos | ohi inetpro | 19:11 |
charl | inetpro: yes exactly | 19:11 |
charl | and hi :) | 19:11 |
inetpro | something that will use a minimum bandwidth as possible would be a good start | 19:11 |
charl | only because it should also be used on mobile devices | 19:11 |
* inetpro hates bloatware | 19:11 | |
charl | what i'm going for is close as possible to this ideal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-knowledge_proof | 19:11 |
inetpro | charl: what do you use for diagrams? | 19:12 |
* Kilos sobs pidgin aint bloatware | 19:13 | |
inetpro | Kilos: it can be better | 19:13 |
Kilos | its uses less that irc | 19:13 |
inetpro | or rather it can be improved by a lot | 19:13 |
charl | inetpro: last time i used this: https://www.draw.io/ | 19:13 |
charl | but i'm sure there are better ones | 19:13 |
inetpro | charl: cool | 19:14 |
charl | but anyway once i have the idea together i will need some people to help me implement it | 19:14 |
inetpro | so how about drawing the concept for us | 19:14 |
charl | it will be a very fun thing to do during the upcoming winter | 19:14 |
charl | and i think it's what the world needs right now | 19:14 |
charl | yes i will start documenting it over the next few days | 19:15 |
Kilos | ok we will follow the progress | 19:15 |
charl | i took some inspiration from this: https://heml.is/ | 19:15 |
Kilos | i will help with what i can as long as its gui friendly | 19:15 |
charl | but now it looks like they are only aiming for mobile devices | 19:15 |
charl | and they are not taking an open source approach | 19:16 |
charl | they are saying "we'll release something when we're ready" | 19:16 |
charl | instead of saying "let's first set out documented standards and then implement on top of it" | 19:16 |
charl | in addition to using xmpp and pgp instead of gnupg (or maybe they mean "openpgp" which i guess is ok) | 19:17 |
inetpro | sounds like he's been thinking long and hard already | 19:18 |
* inetpro likes the ideas so far | 19:18 | |
charl | inetpro: this idea has been plaguing me for a week :P | 19:18 |
charl | or longer perhaps | 19:19 |
charl | i already have a lot of ideas, just need to place it on paper | 19:19 |
charl | i am very bad at explaining, some diagrams and examples help | 19:19 |
Kilos | i go sleep. night all lekker slaap | 19:20 |
theblazehen | hey, whats happening? | 19:22 |
theblazehen | charl: ping, inetpro ping | 19:22 |
inetpro | theblazehen: good evening | 19:22 |
theblazehen | inetpro: evening, what was happening? | 19:23 |
charl | hi theblazehen | 19:23 |
theblazehen | hi charl, what's happening up there? | 19:23 |
inetpro | theblazehen: charl wants to build a new messaging solution | 19:24 |
theblazehen | inetpro: ooh nice | 19:24 |
theblazehen | tl;dr ? | 19:24 |
inetpro | could be fun, if done right | 19:24 |
theblazehen | inetpro: yeah | 19:24 |
inetpro | not sure whether it will be easy though | 19:25 |
theblazehen | It won't I bet | 19:26 |
inetpro | many working solutions are out there already | 19:27 |
theblazehen | inetpro: yeah | 19:27 |
inetpro | charl: I'm not sure exactly what you mean with headless though | 19:28 |
inetpro | headless solutions are mostly on the server side | 19:28 |
charl | hi psychicist | 19:33 |
charl | headless is non-gui software in this sense | 19:34 |
charl | but it's a vague term i'm sorry | 19:34 |
charl | but something that can run inside a terminal emulator | 19:34 |
charl | but that's my own preferences that has nothing to do with the above project though | 19:34 |
charl | except that the first client i implement will probably be headless :P | 19:34 |
inetpro | ah | 19:40 |
inetpro | with terminal emulator you mean simple command line interface? | 19:41 |
charl | well it doesn't have to be command line | 19:45 |
charl | it could be something like irssi or centerim | 19:45 |
charl | freetalk is command line, i think for xmpp that's not too bad | 19:45 |
charl | but i think something like centerim is nicer, but obviously also more programming work | 19:45 |
magespawn | i leave you boffins to this, iam off to bed, night all | 20:02 |
charl | nn magespawn | 20:11 |
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