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cocooncrashinetpro: Thanks :)03:24
Kilosmorning superfly and others06:10
superflyguten morgen Kilos06:20
barrydkGood morning all06:25
superflyhi barrydk06:34
Kiloshi barrydk bduk1 06:34
Squirmmorning06:35
SquirmMaaz: coffee on06:35
* Maaz starts grinding coffee06:35
SquirmMaaz: large06:35
MaazIn a beer mug just for you Squirm06:35
SquirmMaaz: larger06:35
Maazinna bucket for you Squirm06:35
Squirm!06:35
Kiloshi Squirm 06:35
SquirmMaaz: even larger06:35
MaazSquirm: Excuse me?06:35
Squirm:/06:35
Squirmheya Kilos 06:35
Kiloshehe06:35
SquirmI'm tired :/06:35
KilosMaaz, coffee please06:35
MaazKilos: Done06:35
Kiloswhew so early06:36
MaazCoffee's ready for Squirm and Kilos!06:39
KilosMaaz, danke06:39
MaazBitteschön06:39
SquirmMaaz: botsnack06:40
MaazThank you thank you, munch munch chomp chomp06:40
mazalMorning everyone07:10
Kiloshi mazal 07:19
ThatGraemeGuymornings07:52
inetprogood morning07:55
inetprooh and hi Kilos07:55
Kiloshi ThatGraemeGuy inetpro 07:55
Kiloshi Vince-0 08:13
Vince-0Hi kbmonkey 08:21
Vince-0I mean Kilos 08:21
Kiloshehe08:21
Kiloshi psyatw 08:23
psyatwhi Kilos08:24
psyatwhi charl08:39
Kiloshi charl 08:40
charlhi Kilos 08:45
charlhi psyatw 08:45
Kiloshiya maiatoday all well?09:09
maiatodayyup thanks Kilos, you?09:38
Kilosme be fine ty maiatoday 09:58
barrydklekke slaap almal 12:17
mazalBye everyone , enjoy the evening12:45
inetprohmm...13:24
theblazehenhi13:25
theblazehenhmm?13:25
Kiloshi theblazehen 13:38
theblazehenhi kilos13:38
Kiloswhat you breaking inetpro ?13:38
inetproai!13:39
Kiloshehe13:39
ThatGraemeGuysjoe!13:54
ThatGraemeGuybusy monday eh? :)13:54
Kiloshehe very quite ThatGraemeGuy 15:39
ThatGraemeGuy:-D15:40
Kiloshi nlsthzn 15:53
nlsthzngood evening uncle Kilos 15:54
Kilosabout hometime ThatGraemeGuy 15:54
ThatGraemeGuyyeah just about15:54
ThatGraemeGuy8 more (work) days, woop woop!15:55
Kilosyay15:55
Kilosyou not gonna loaf otherside15:55
ThatGraemeGuyeh?15:55
Kiloswill be even more with sorting other peeps out15:55
Kilosare you having a break first?15:56
ThatGraemeGuyoh15:58
ThatGraemeGuynope, starting on friday15:58
Kilosi hope its everything you can wish for15:58
ThatGraemeGuyi was off for 6 weeks when baby was born in Dec, not needing a break just yet :)15:58
Kiloswalk softly and carry a big stick15:58
Kilosaw you got a tiny one15:59
Kilosthats lekker15:59
ThatGraemeGuyi won't be able to enter mybb competitions anymore :-(15:59
Kiloshehe15:59
ThatGraemeGuylooking forward to it nonetheless :D15:59
ThatGraemeGuyanyhoo15:59
ThatGraemeGuytime to duck15:59
ThatGraemeGuynight night!15:59
Kilosgo well16:00
Kiloshavva good night16:00
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KilosMaaz, seen magespawn 16:28
MaazKilos: magespawn was last seen 19 hours, 17 minutes and 56 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2013-09-08 23:10:08 SAST], and has been online on freenode since 2013-09-09 00:19:33 SAST16:28
magespawnKilos YOU SUMMONED ME?16:34
Kiloshehe no man just wondered where you are16:34
Kilosno game drives inna dark16:34
magespawnThat was my genie in the bottle voice16:35
Kiloshahaha16:35
magespawnno game drives, new job today16:35
Kilosall good?16:35
Kilostoday already?16:35
magespawnYup part time when I am driving till the end of the month, then full time next month16:36
Kilosah16:37
nlsthzng night all17:14
magespawnKilos I still have maybe 5 or 6 drives till the end of the month, so the shop is officially clossed17:33
Kilosah ok17:33
magespawnlots of work to be done, and it looks like they have an asterisk phone server17:34
Kilosbut its a working system at the moment hey?17:35
Kilosor you walking into a crashed place?17:36
magespawnthe systems work but they are not very fault tolerant17:36
magespawnhttp://www.asterisk.org/17:36
magespawnthat and the new gm wants everything to be run in house in case there are any problems17:37
Kilosso will that mean setting up a server for it all17:38
Kiloslocally that is17:38
magespawnyes they have email through a custom domain with google so that I do not have to worry about.17:39
Kiloswell you know how to setup a linux server then its just tying all the win pcs to it17:40
magespawnbut everything else yes, and they seem to want anything to do with a pc to be my job, including things like the facebook page17:40
Kilosand the wireless17:40
Kilosoh my17:40
magespawnand they want the lodge to go to at least 4 star so everything has to be neat 17:41
Kilosfb seems to be what everyone looks at17:41
Kilosexcept me17:41
magespawnthe wiring is an absolute mess at the moment17:42
magespawngood for communications with guests and other interested people17:42
Kilosyeah and like advertising17:42
Kiloswiring?17:42
Kilosmethunk it was al wireless17:43
Kilosglue guns work well to hide wiring17:45
magespawnwiring is still one of the best ways of getting a netwrok spread around between buildings17:45
Kilosoh is it a lot of buildings all over? no like a hotel17:46
magespawnit is a lodge with a few buldings spread out17:49
magespawnthe guest internet has to be wifi and seperated from the hotel network which will have wired and wireless17:50
Kilosok17:50
magespawnbut it looks like they are willing to tear almost everything down and start again17:56
Kilosthats good for you though17:57
Kilosthen its all done your way17:57
Kilosyou wont have a prob like that one at the hotel17:57
magespawnyes very, means i do not have to tear my hair out when dealing with somebody elses cables17:57
Kiloslol17:58
magespawntomorrow i want to see where they stand on the issue of training18:00
Kilostraining?18:00
magespawnas in paying for LPIC exams18:00
Kilosah18:00
Kilosjust use debian stuff there, redhat no lekker18:02
Kilosuses that xdm thing like xfce18:03
Kilosand too much unneccessary hassles to get permissions for stuffs18:03
charlgood evening18:04
Kiloshi charly18:05
charlhi Kilos 18:05
Kiloshi stegreen 18:05
Kiloswb18:05
magespawnhi charl18:07
charlhi magespawn 18:08
charlhave you guys taken a look at off-the-record messaging via jabber http://public.tfh-berlin.de/~s30935/18:08
Kilosotr in pidgin rocks18:09
Kiloscan work on xchat too but more work to setup18:09
charlapparently centerim supports or did support it18:12
charlbut it seems like they removed it18:12
charlor otherwise i can't find the relevant documentation18:12
charlhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/centerim/4.22.5-1ubuntu118:12
charlcenterim (4.22.3-1) unstable; urgency=high Added OTR (Off-the-Record Messaging) support.18:12
charlcenterim (4.22.5-1) unstable; urgency=low18:13
charlRemoved the debian/patches/CVE-2008-1467.dpatch patch because the new upstream version fixed it directly.18:13
charlgah sorry, wrong paste18:13
charlRemoved the OTR (Off-the-Record Messaging) support because it resulted some buggy.18:13
Kiloswhats centerim?18:14
Kilosan im goodie18:15
charla headless instant messaging client18:15
Kilosyou dont like pidgin?18:16
Kiloswith a head18:16
charlno i actually hate pidgin18:16
Kiloshow can anything think without a head18:16
charlone of the worst IM clients i ever used18:16
Kilosai!18:17
Kilosfirst with otr18:17
charlit's not supposed to think, it's supposed to let me do the thinking :)18:17
charlor the predecessor to pidgin, what was it called, gaim18:17
charli think that would be psy18:17
charlthe first to have otr18:17
Kilosnever heard of it18:17
charlit's a really old jabber client18:18
charlnot very popular these days18:18
charlit was one of the first i used18:18
Kilospidgin works everywhere18:18
charli haven't used pidgin recently but i used to hate it18:18
charlbut i'm looking for a headless client18:18
Kilosmaybe you grew up some now18:18
Kiloshehe18:18
charllol18:19
Kiloswhats headless? no gui18:19
charlyes18:19
charlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headless_software18:19
Kiloshi jhb_hacker 18:20
jhb_hackerhi Kilos18:21
charlactually i want to start a new project but i need some people to work with me on it18:21
charlhi jhb_hacker 18:21
jhb_hackerhi charl18:21
Kilosstart with pidgin and ill help you18:21
Kiloshehe18:21
charlnot going backwards ... :(18:21
Kilosheadless is backwards18:22
charli have the head, the software is the tail :P18:22
Kilosthats why we have minimising and many workspaces18:22
charlheadless is why we have good terminal emulators and screen / xmux whatever18:22
charltmux18:22
Kiloseven the pro uses pidgin18:26
Kilosyou one of those that uses copper coins because gold is too shiny?18:27
Kilosjoking18:27
Kilosinetpro, help18:28
Kiloswhats coming hmm... or ai!18:31
Kilosor uh..18:31
Kilosmagespawn, that asterisk thing can work on ubuntu as well18:44
Kiloshttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/AsteriskOnUbuntu18:44
Kiloscan you setup a buntu server with asterisk installed in it?18:45
Kilosoh magespawn asterisk is in the repos18:59
charlhi back19:00
charllol Kilos :P19:00
Kiloshehe19:00
Kilosi love pidgin19:00
Kilosso there19:00
charlyou don't have to defend it :P19:01
charlbut anyway i am thinking of a new architecture altogether19:01
Kiloshahaha19:01
charlbut i first will need to make a few diagrams19:01
charlbut basically i want a fully end-to-end encrypted system19:01
charlbut having everything still going through a central server19:01
Kilosi saw some stuffs for security purposes today19:02
charlthe central server should have as close as possible a zero-knowlege system19:02
Kilostripwire and aide19:02
charlthat's intrusion detection19:02
charli'm not too keen on those systems19:02
Kilosoh ya19:02
charlthey are often easily circumvented19:02
Kiloscan peeps still get in even if you have no open ports?19:03
charlxmpp is great but it's overcomplex and the stanzas use too much bandwidth19:03
charland it's not really secure19:03
charlthe idea is that you don't need stun19:04
Kilosyou mean for your whole system or just the im thing19:04
charlthe instant messaging system19:04
charlit should be mobile friendly as well as desktop19:05
Kilosotr in pidgin encrypts 2 pcs to each other and works everytime19:05
Kilosthats they idea of otr isnt it19:05
charlyes but it's still running over xmpp and isn't universally implemented in all clients19:06
charlit's something that's layered on top19:06
Kilosit worked here on aim and msn and one other thing too19:07
Kiloshavent tried it with mxit19:07
charlyes because it's layered on top but most people don't even know it exists19:08
magespawnyes Kilos, the software is open source, a bit strange as some of it is not19:08
Kiloscharl, what about dcc chat19:09
Kiloswill that work or your decapitated thing19:10
Kilosthats pc to pc19:10
charlno that's not what i'm thinking about at all19:10
inetprocharl: sounds like you're in for some fun19:10
Kilosohi inetpro 19:11
charlinetpro: yes exactly19:11
charland hi :)19:11
inetprosomething that will use a minimum bandwidth as possible would be a good start19:11
charlonly because it should also be used on mobile devices19:11
* inetpro hates bloatware19:11
charlwhat i'm going for is close as possible to this ideal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-knowledge_proof19:11
inetprocharl: what do you use for diagrams?19:12
* Kilos sobs pidgin aint bloatware19:13
inetproKilos: it can be better19:13
Kilosits uses less that irc19:13
inetproor rather it can be improved by a lot19:13
charlinetpro: last time i used this: https://www.draw.io/19:13
charlbut i'm sure there are better ones19:13
inetprocharl: cool19:14
charlbut anyway once i have the idea together i will need some people to help me implement it19:14
inetproso how about drawing the concept for us19:14
charlit will be a very fun thing to do during the upcoming winter19:14
charland i think it's what the world needs right now19:14
charlyes i will start documenting it over the next few days19:15
Kilosok we will follow the progress19:15
charli took some inspiration from this: https://heml.is/19:15
Kilosi will help with what i can as long as its gui friendly19:15
charlbut now it looks like they are only aiming for mobile devices19:15
charland they are not taking an open source approach19:16
charlthey are saying "we'll release something when we're ready"19:16
charlinstead of saying "let's first set out documented standards and then implement on top of it"19:16
charlin addition to using xmpp and pgp instead of gnupg (or maybe they mean "openpgp" which i guess is ok)19:17
inetprosounds like he's been thinking long and hard already19:18
* inetpro likes the ideas so far19:18
charlinetpro: this idea has been plaguing me for a week :P19:18
charlor longer perhaps19:19
charli already have a lot of ideas, just need to place it on paper19:19
charli am very bad at explaining, some diagrams and examples help19:19
Kilosi go sleep. night all lekker slaap19:20
theblazehenhey, whats happening?19:22
theblazehencharl: ping, inetpro ping19:22
inetprotheblazehen: good evening19:22
theblazeheninetpro: evening, what was happening?19:23
charlhi theblazehen 19:23
theblazehenhi charl, what's happening up there?19:23
inetprotheblazehen: charl wants to build a new messaging solution19:24
theblazeheninetpro: ooh nice19:24
theblazehentl;dr ?19:24
inetprocould be fun, if done right19:24
theblazeheninetpro: yeah19:24
inetpronot sure whether it will be easy though19:25
theblazehenIt won't I bet19:26
inetpromany working solutions are out there already19:27
theblazeheninetpro: yeah19:27
inetprocharl: I'm not sure exactly what you mean with headless though19:28
inetproheadless solutions are mostly on the server side19:28
charlhi psychicist 19:33
charlheadless is non-gui software in this sense19:34
charlbut it's a vague term i'm sorry19:34
charlbut something that can run inside a terminal emulator19:34
charlbut that's my own preferences that has nothing to do with the above project though19:34
charlexcept that the first client i implement will probably be headless :P19:34
inetproah19:40
inetprowith terminal emulator you mean simple command line interface?19:41
charlwell it doesn't have to be command line19:45
charlit could be something like irssi or centerim19:45
charlfreetalk is command line, i think for xmpp that's not too bad19:45
charlbut i think something like centerim is nicer, but obviously also more programming work19:45
magespawni leave you boffins to this, iam off to bed, night all20:02
charlnn magespawn 20:11

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