[03:24] <cocooncrash> inetpro: Thanks :)
[06:10] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[06:20] <superfly> guten morgen Kilos
[06:25] <barrydk> Good morning all
[06:34] <superfly> hi barrydk
[06:34] <Kilos> hi barrydk bduk1 
[06:35] <Squirm> morning
[06:35] <Squirm> Maaz: coffee on
[06:35]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[06:35] <Squirm> Maaz: large
[06:35] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you Squirm
[06:35] <Squirm> Maaz: larger
[06:35] <Maaz> inna bucket for you Squirm
[06:35] <Squirm> !
[06:35] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[06:35] <Squirm> Maaz: even larger
[06:35] <Maaz> Squirm: Excuse me?
[06:35] <Squirm> :/
[06:35] <Squirm> heya Kilos 
[06:35] <Kilos> hehe
[06:35] <Squirm> I'm tired :/
[06:35] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[06:35] <Maaz> Kilos: Done
[06:36] <Kilos> whew so early
[06:39] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Squirm and Kilos!
[06:39] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[06:39] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[06:40] <Squirm> Maaz: botsnack
[06:40] <Maaz> Thank you thank you, munch munch chomp chomp
[07:10] <mazal> Morning everyone
[07:19] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[07:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[07:55] <inetpro> good morning
[07:55] <inetpro> oh and hi Kilos
[07:55] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy inetpro 
[08:13] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[08:21] <Vince-0> Hi kbmonkey 
[08:21] <Vince-0> I mean Kilos 
[08:21] <Kilos> hehe
[08:23] <Kilos> hi psyatw 
[08:24] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[08:39] <psyatw> hi charl
[08:40] <Kilos> hi charl 
[08:45] <charl> hi Kilos 
[08:45] <charl> hi psyatw 
[09:09] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday all well?
[09:38] <maiatoday> yup thanks Kilos, you?
[09:58] <Kilos> me be fine ty maiatoday 
[12:17] <barrydk> lekke slaap almal 
[12:45] <mazal> Bye everyone , enjoy the evening
[13:24] <inetpro> hmm...
[13:25] <theblazehen> hi
[13:25] <theblazehen> hmm?
[13:38] <Kilos> hi theblazehen 
[13:38] <theblazehen> hi kilos
[13:38] <Kilos> what you breaking inetpro ?
[13:39] <inetpro> ai!
[13:39] <Kilos> hehe
[13:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> sjoe!
[13:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> busy monday eh? :)
[15:39] <Kilos> hehe very quite ThatGraemeGuy 
[15:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> :-D
[15:53] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[15:54] <nlsthzn> good evening uncle Kilos 
[15:54] <Kilos> about hometime ThatGraemeGuy 
[15:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah just about
[15:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> 8 more (work) days, woop woop!
[15:55] <Kilos> yay
[15:55] <Kilos> you not gonna loaf otherside
[15:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> eh?
[15:55] <Kilos> will be even more with sorting other peeps out
[15:56] <Kilos> are you having a break first?
[15:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh
[15:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> nope, starting on friday
[15:58] <Kilos> i hope its everything you can wish for
[15:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> i was off for 6 weeks when baby was born in Dec, not needing a break just yet :)
[15:58] <Kilos> walk softly and carry a big stick
[15:59] <Kilos> aw you got a tiny one
[15:59] <Kilos> thats lekker
[15:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> i won't be able to enter mybb competitions anymore :-(
[15:59] <Kilos> hehe
[15:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> looking forward to it nonetheless :D
[15:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> anyhoo
[15:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> time to duck
[15:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> night night!
[16:00] <Kilos> go well
[16:00] <Kilos> havva good night
[16:28] <Kilos> Maaz, seen magespawn 
[16:28] <Maaz> Kilos: magespawn was last seen 19 hours, 17 minutes and 56 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2013-09-08 23:10:08 SAST], and has been online on freenode since 2013-09-09 00:19:33 SAST
[16:34] <magespawn> Kilos YOU SUMMONED ME?
[16:34] <Kilos> hehe no man just wondered where you are
[16:34] <Kilos> no game drives inna dark
[16:35] <magespawn> That was my genie in the bottle voice
[16:35] <Kilos> hahaha
[16:35] <magespawn> no game drives, new job today
[16:35] <Kilos> all good?
[16:35] <Kilos> today already?
[16:36] <magespawn> Yup part time when I am driving till the end of the month, then full time next month
[16:37] <Kilos> ah
[17:14] <nlsthzn> g night all
[17:33] <magespawn> Kilos I still have maybe 5 or 6 drives till the end of the month, so the shop is officially clossed
[17:33] <Kilos> ah ok
[17:34] <magespawn> lots of work to be done, and it looks like they have an asterisk phone server
[17:35] <Kilos> but its a working system at the moment hey?
[17:36] <Kilos> or you walking into a crashed place?
[17:36] <magespawn> the systems work but they are not very fault tolerant
[17:36] <magespawn> http://www.asterisk.org/
[17:37] <magespawn> that and the new gm wants everything to be run in house in case there are any problems
[17:38] <Kilos> so will that mean setting up a server for it all
[17:38] <Kilos> locally that is
[17:39] <magespawn> yes they have email through a custom domain with google so that I do not have to worry about.
[17:40] <Kilos> well you know how to setup a linux server then its just tying all the win pcs to it
[17:40] <magespawn> but everything else yes, and they seem to want anything to do with a pc to be my job, including things like the facebook page
[17:40] <Kilos> and the wireless
[17:40] <Kilos> oh my
[17:41] <magespawn> and they want the lodge to go to at least 4 star so everything has to be neat 
[17:41] <Kilos> fb seems to be what everyone looks at
[17:41] <Kilos> except me
[17:42] <magespawn> the wiring is an absolute mess at the moment
[17:42] <magespawn> good for communications with guests and other interested people
[17:42] <Kilos> yeah and like advertising
[17:42] <Kilos> wiring?
[17:43] <Kilos> methunk it was al wireless
[17:45] <Kilos> glue guns work well to hide wiring
[17:45] <magespawn> wiring is still one of the best ways of getting a netwrok spread around between buildings
[17:46] <Kilos> oh is it a lot of buildings all over? no like a hotel
[17:49] <magespawn> it is a lodge with a few buldings spread out
[17:50] <magespawn> the guest internet has to be wifi and seperated from the hotel network which will have wired and wireless
[17:50] <Kilos> ok
[17:56] <magespawn> but it looks like they are willing to tear almost everything down and start again
[17:57] <Kilos> thats good for you though
[17:57] <Kilos> then its all done your way
[17:57] <Kilos> you wont have a prob like that one at the hotel
[17:57] <magespawn> yes very, means i do not have to tear my hair out when dealing with somebody elses cables
[17:58] <Kilos> lol
[18:00] <magespawn> tomorrow i want to see where they stand on the issue of training
[18:00] <Kilos> training?
[18:00] <magespawn> as in paying for LPIC exams
[18:00] <Kilos> ah
[18:02] <Kilos> just use debian stuff there, redhat no lekker
[18:03] <Kilos> uses that xdm thing like xfce
[18:03] <Kilos> and too much unneccessary hassles to get permissions for stuffs
[18:04] <charl> good evening
[18:05] <Kilos> hi charly
[18:05] <charl> hi Kilos 
[18:05] <Kilos> hi stegreen 
[18:05] <Kilos> wb
[18:07] <magespawn> hi charl
[18:08] <charl> hi magespawn 
[18:08] <charl> have you guys taken a look at off-the-record messaging via jabber http://public.tfh-berlin.de/~s30935/
[18:09] <Kilos> otr in pidgin rocks
[18:09] <Kilos> can work on xchat too but more work to setup
[18:12] <charl> apparently centerim supports or did support it
[18:12] <charl> but it seems like they removed it
[18:12] <charl> or otherwise i can't find the relevant documentation
[18:12] <charl> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/centerim/4.22.5-1ubuntu1
[18:12] <charl> centerim (4.22.3-1) unstable; urgency=high Added OTR (Off-the-Record Messaging) support.
[18:13] <charl> centerim (4.22.5-1) unstable; urgency=low
[18:13] <charl> Removed the debian/patches/CVE-2008-1467.dpatch patch because the new upstream version fixed it directly.
[18:13] <charl> gah sorry, wrong paste
[18:13] <charl> Removed the OTR (Off-the-Record Messaging) support because it resulted some buggy.
[18:14] <Kilos> whats centerim?
[18:15] <Kilos> an im goodie
[18:15] <charl> a headless instant messaging client
[18:16] <Kilos> you dont like pidgin?
[18:16] <Kilos> with a head
[18:16] <charl> no i actually hate pidgin
[18:16] <Kilos> how can anything think without a head
[18:16] <charl> one of the worst IM clients i ever used
[18:17] <Kilos> ai!
[18:17] <Kilos> first with otr
[18:17] <charl> it's not supposed to think, it's supposed to let me do the thinking :)
[18:17] <charl> or the predecessor to pidgin, what was it called, gaim
[18:17] <charl> i think that would be psy
[18:17] <charl> the first to have otr
[18:17] <Kilos> never heard of it
[18:18] <charl> it's a really old jabber client
[18:18] <charl> not very popular these days
[18:18] <charl> it was one of the first i used
[18:18] <Kilos> pidgin works everywhere
[18:18] <charl> i haven't used pidgin recently but i used to hate it
[18:18] <charl> but i'm looking for a headless client
[18:18] <Kilos> maybe you grew up some now
[18:18] <Kilos> hehe
[18:19] <charl> lol
[18:19] <Kilos> whats headless? no gui
[18:19] <charl> yes
[18:19] <charl> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headless_software
[18:20] <Kilos> hi jhb_hacker 
[18:21] <jhb_hacker> hi Kilos
[18:21] <charl> actually i want to start a new project but i need some people to work with me on it
[18:21] <charl> hi jhb_hacker 
[18:21] <jhb_hacker> hi charl
[18:21] <Kilos> start with pidgin and ill help you
[18:21] <Kilos> hehe
[18:21] <charl> not going backwards ... :(
[18:22] <Kilos> headless is backwards
[18:22] <charl> i have the head, the software is the tail :P
[18:22] <Kilos> thats why we have minimising and many workspaces
[18:22] <charl> headless is why we have good terminal emulators and screen / xmux whatever
[18:22] <charl> tmux
[18:26] <Kilos> even the pro uses pidgin
[18:27] <Kilos> you one of those that uses copper coins because gold is too shiny?
[18:27] <Kilos> joking
[18:28] <Kilos> inetpro, help
[18:31] <Kilos> whats coming hmm... or ai!
[18:31] <Kilos> or uh..
[18:44] <Kilos> magespawn, that asterisk thing can work on ubuntu as well
[18:44] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AsteriskOnUbuntu
[18:45] <Kilos> can you setup a buntu server with asterisk installed in it?
[18:59] <Kilos> oh magespawn asterisk is in the repos
[19:00] <charl> hi back
[19:00] <charl> lol Kilos :P
[19:00] <Kilos> hehe
[19:00] <Kilos> i love pidgin
[19:00] <Kilos> so there
[19:01] <charl> you don't have to defend it :P
[19:01] <charl> but anyway i am thinking of a new architecture altogether
[19:01] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:01] <charl> but i first will need to make a few diagrams
[19:01] <charl> but basically i want a fully end-to-end encrypted system
[19:01] <charl> but having everything still going through a central server
[19:02] <Kilos> i saw some stuffs for security purposes today
[19:02] <charl> the central server should have as close as possible a zero-knowlege system
[19:02] <Kilos> tripwire and aide
[19:02] <charl> that's intrusion detection
[19:02] <charl> i'm not too keen on those systems
[19:02] <Kilos> oh ya
[19:02] <charl> they are often easily circumvented
[19:03] <Kilos> can peeps still get in even if you have no open ports?
[19:03] <charl> xmpp is great but it's overcomplex and the stanzas use too much bandwidth
[19:03] <charl> and it's not really secure
[19:04] <charl> the idea is that you don't need stun
[19:04] <Kilos> you mean for your whole system or just the im thing
[19:04] <charl> the instant messaging system
[19:05] <charl> it should be mobile friendly as well as desktop
[19:05] <Kilos> otr in pidgin encrypts 2 pcs to each other and works everytime
[19:05] <Kilos> thats they idea of otr isnt it
[19:06] <charl> yes but it's still running over xmpp and isn't universally implemented in all clients
[19:06] <charl> it's something that's layered on top
[19:07] <Kilos> it worked here on aim and msn and one other thing too
[19:07] <Kilos> havent tried it with mxit
[19:08] <charl> yes because it's layered on top but most people don't even know it exists
[19:08] <magespawn> yes Kilos, the software is open source, a bit strange as some of it is not
[19:09] <Kilos> charl, what about dcc chat
[19:10] <Kilos> will that work or your decapitated thing
[19:10] <Kilos> thats pc to pc
[19:10] <charl> no that's not what i'm thinking about at all
[19:10] <inetpro> charl: sounds like you're in for some fun
[19:11] <Kilos> ohi inetpro 
[19:11] <charl> inetpro: yes exactly
[19:11] <charl> and hi :)
[19:11] <inetpro> something that will use a minimum bandwidth as possible would be a good start
[19:11] <charl> only because it should also be used on mobile devices
[19:11]  * inetpro hates bloatware
[19:11] <charl> what i'm going for is close as possible to this ideal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-knowledge_proof
[19:12] <inetpro> charl: what do you use for diagrams?
[19:13]  * Kilos sobs pidgin aint bloatware
[19:13] <inetpro> Kilos: it can be better
[19:13] <Kilos> its uses less that irc
[19:13] <inetpro> or rather it can be improved by a lot
[19:13] <charl> inetpro: last time i used this: https://www.draw.io/
[19:13] <charl> but i'm sure there are better ones
[19:14] <inetpro> charl: cool
[19:14] <charl> but anyway once i have the idea together i will need some people to help me implement it
[19:14] <inetpro> so how about drawing the concept for us
[19:14] <charl> it will be a very fun thing to do during the upcoming winter
[19:14] <charl> and i think it's what the world needs right now
[19:15] <charl> yes i will start documenting it over the next few days
[19:15] <Kilos> ok we will follow the progress
[19:15] <charl> i took some inspiration from this: https://heml.is/
[19:15] <Kilos> i will help with what i can as long as its gui friendly
[19:15] <charl> but now it looks like they are only aiming for mobile devices
[19:16] <charl> and they are not taking an open source approach
[19:16] <charl> they are saying "we'll release something when we're ready"
[19:16] <charl> instead of saying "let's first set out documented standards and then implement on top of it"
[19:17] <charl> in addition to using xmpp and pgp instead of gnupg (or maybe they mean "openpgp" which i guess is ok)
[19:18] <inetpro> sounds like he's been thinking long and hard already
[19:18]  * inetpro likes the ideas so far
[19:18] <charl> inetpro: this idea has been plaguing me for a week :P
[19:19] <charl> or longer perhaps
[19:19] <charl> i already have a lot of ideas, just need to place it on paper
[19:19] <charl> i am very bad at explaining, some diagrams and examples help
[19:20] <Kilos> i go sleep. night all lekker slaap
[19:22] <theblazehen> hey, whats happening?
[19:22] <theblazehen> charl: ping, inetpro ping
[19:22] <inetpro> theblazehen: good evening
[19:23] <theblazehen> inetpro: evening, what was happening?
[19:23] <charl> hi theblazehen 
[19:23] <theblazehen> hi charl, what's happening up there?
[19:24] <inetpro> theblazehen: charl wants to build a new messaging solution
[19:24] <theblazehen> inetpro: ooh nice
[19:24] <theblazehen> tl;dr ?
[19:24] <inetpro> could be fun, if done right
[19:24] <theblazehen> inetpro: yeah
[19:25] <inetpro> not sure whether it will be easy though
[19:26] <theblazehen> It won't I bet
[19:27] <inetpro> many working solutions are out there already
[19:27] <theblazehen> inetpro: yeah
[19:28] <inetpro> charl: I'm not sure exactly what you mean with headless though
[19:28] <inetpro> headless solutions are mostly on the server side
[19:33] <charl> hi psychicist 
[19:34] <charl> headless is non-gui software in this sense
[19:34] <charl> but it's a vague term i'm sorry
[19:34] <charl> but something that can run inside a terminal emulator
[19:34] <charl> but that's my own preferences that has nothing to do with the above project though
[19:34] <charl> except that the first client i implement will probably be headless :P
[19:40] <inetpro> ah
[19:41] <inetpro> with terminal emulator you mean simple command line interface?
[19:45] <charl> well it doesn't have to be command line
[19:45] <charl> it could be something like irssi or centerim
[19:45] <charl> freetalk is command line, i think for xmpp that's not too bad
[19:45] <charl> but i think something like centerim is nicer, but obviously also more programming work
[20:02] <magespawn> i leave you boffins to this, iam off to bed, night all
[20:11] <charl> nn magespawn