| ochosi | Unit193: indeed, now ubuntu carries it and is also responsible for keeping things working (sounds like extra fun) | 07:38 |
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| ochosi | brainwash: the icons should be fixed in the latest package-update | 10:22 |
| brainwash | ochosi: yes, they are, thanks :) | 10:23 |
| ochosi | good to hear | 10:23 |
| ochosi | so your icon-sizes are fine again? | 10:23 |
| brainwash | yea, original size again | 10:24 |
| ochosi | cool | 10:29 |
| ochosi | if you see any other icon issues please let me know | 10:29 |
| ochosi | can anyone confirm a (really noticeable!) lag when logging out on Saucy? | 13:29 |
| ochosi | noticed that since i'm working towards a patch for the greeter | 13:30 |
| elfy | I can try to ochosi | 13:30 |
| elfy | anything I need to do to confirm it or do you just mean - is it noticeable slow now? | 13:31 |
| brainwash | ochosi: did you already check the usual log files for suspicious warnings/errors? | 13:38 |
| ochosi | elfy: yeah, for me it's noticeable | 13:45 |
| ochosi | brainwash: well if people can't confirm it i'll dig around the logs | 13:45 |
| ochosi | if not, i won't waste too much time and rather try to fix the logout-bug | 13:45 |
| elfy | it doesn't 'seem' any longer than it normally does here - but it does appear to take a longish time 'normally' | 13:46 |
| ochosi | ok | 13:46 |
| ochosi | here it takes ~7secs | 13:46 |
| elfy | I'll check | 13:46 |
| ochosi | so almost as long as booting :) | 13:46 |
| elfy | I'd say 2 secs - but it's longer than that :p | 13:46 |
| elfy | ochosi: 8 seconds | 13:50 |
| elfy | about as long for me as it has been for a long time | 13:50 |
| knome | that's acceptable though if locking works properly ;) | 13:50 |
| knome | but sure, please fix it if you know how to | 13:51 |
| elfy | hi knome | 13:51 |
| knome | hey elfy | 13:51 |
| brainwash | ouch, I was pretty sure that my dedicated gpu (or kms) won't cause a kernel panic anymore when graphically logging.. what a bummer, need to re-add my lightdm script hock | 13:55 |
| brainwash | brb | 13:55 |
| elfy | that's longer than 8 seconds ... | 13:59 |
| ochosi | elfy: hmpf, okay, then i need to take a look at that | 14:00 |
| ochosi | maybe it's something related to systemd again that mr_pouit didn't fix in xfce4-session | 14:00 |
| ochosi | ali1234: i fixed theming for the indicators in greybird-git-master now, could you please test that? | 14:01 |
| ali1234 | sure | 14:01 |
| ochosi | in case it works, i'll add similar stuff for the themes that need it | 14:01 |
| ochosi | thanks! | 14:01 |
| ochosi | Orion is really fine | 14:01 |
| ochosi | Numix too | 14:01 |
| ochosi | although i need to drop the sizing patch from there | 14:01 |
| ali1234 | hmm it's not working | 14:02 |
| ali1234 | i restarted the panel but the background is still thw wrong colour | 14:02 |
| ochosi | are you sure? | 14:02 |
| ali1234 | oh wait, wrong theme | 14:02 |
| ochosi | (sorry, i know that's a silly question, but it's hard to believe) | 14:02 |
| ochosi | ok :) | 14:02 |
| ali1234 | it looks ok | 14:03 |
| ali1234 | the border looks a little bit different | 14:03 |
| ochosi | yeah, a little | 14:03 |
| ochosi | but not too much i think | 14:03 |
| ali1234 | it's close enough | 14:03 |
| ali1234 | considering gtk2/gtk3 stuff | 14:03 |
| ochosi | yeah, box-shadows aren't 100% working as they should in this context | 14:04 |
| ochosi | otherwise they'd be identical | 14:04 |
| ochosi | but menus are fine too? | 14:04 |
| ali1234 | they look ok to me... what am i looking for? | 14:05 |
| ochosi | not sure, anything really | 14:08 |
| ochosi | i had some issues with hovering | 14:08 |
| ochosi | e.g. in soundmenu | 14:08 |
| ochosi | but i think i fixed that now | 14:08 |
| ali1234 | it looks fine | 14:09 |
| ali1234 | i just spotted a bug though | 14:09 |
| ali1234 | the volume notification bubble shouldn't show when you change the volume from the sound menu | 14:09 |
| OvenWerks | ochosi: Sorry to butt in, but I had noticed that the menu from a right click on the desktop would not resize icons. I don't know if that is theming though | 14:09 |
| ochosi | ali1234: that's somewhat true, but it was always like that (blame the unmaintained xfce4-volumed) | 14:10 |
| OvenWerks | The problem has gone away for me because I am using an icon theme with right sized icons now | 14:10 |
| ali1234 | sure. i only just noticed it though | 14:10 |
| ali1234 | OvenWerks: what do you mean exactly? | 14:11 |
| ochosi | OvenWerks: what do you mean exactly? can you show me a screenshot of that? | 14:11 |
| ochosi | haha | 14:11 |
| ochosi | nice one | 14:11 |
| OvenWerks | hang on... | 14:11 |
| ali1234 | when you right click in a file manager you get "zoom in/out" in the menu | 14:11 |
| ali1234 | this isn't available for desktop icons... is that what you mean? | 14:11 |
| ochosi | i think he refers to the app-menu you get when you right-click the desktop | 14:12 |
| ochosi | same as the one in the panel | 14:12 |
| ali1234 | but you can't resize the icons int he panel, can you? | 14:12 |
| ochosi | not in the menu, at least not easily | 14:13 |
| ali1234 | oh well, let's just wait and see :) | 14:13 |
| ochosi | agreed :) | 14:13 |
| ali1234 | speaking of icons and menus... one thing that bugs me is you can turn off icons in *all* menus, and you can turn off icons in just the start menu, but you can't have icons in the start menu and nowhere else | 14:14 |
| ochosi | yeah, general gtk overrides xfce-menu | 14:15 |
| ochosi | it kinda makes sense | 14:15 |
| ali1234 | KDE does the exact same thing | 14:15 |
| OvenWerks | http://imagebin.org/270352 | 14:15 |
| ali1234 | but in gnome classic it's possible | 14:15 |
| ochosi | ali1234: might work with whiskermenu | 14:15 |
| OvenWerks | This is from 13.04 | 14:15 |
| ochosi | ali1234: (because it's not really a menu-widget) | 14:15 |
| OvenWerks | but like I say in 13.10 the icons are the right size to begin with | 14:15 |
| ali1234 | i don't recognise that menu at all | 14:16 |
| ochosi | that's ubuntu-studio | 14:16 |
| OvenWerks | it is custom | 14:16 |
| OvenWerks | ya | 14:16 |
| ali1234 | ah, ok | 14:16 |
| ali1234 | so you mean those top icons are too big? | 14:16 |
| ochosi | OvenWerks: ok, first of all: the icons that aren't the right size aren't in our icon theme | 14:16 |
| brainwash | ochosi: after some trouble with KMS I was able to logout, yes, there is some unusual delay | 14:16 |
| ochosi | brainwash: yeah, we'll have to fix that too then... | 14:17 |
| OvenWerks | no, I am thinking that a new application with only one icon. | 14:17 |
| ali1234 | if you install the game "super meat boy" it has a HUGE icon that breaks many menu applications | 14:17 |
| ali1234 | it's like 128x128 | 14:17 |
| OvenWerks | however, if it is a fix the icon theme thing I will consider it fixed :) | 14:17 |
| OvenWerks | these are all 48X | 14:18 |
| ochosi | OvenWerks: so you say in 13.10 it works (with the same icon.theme)? | 14:18 |
| OvenWerks | no we fixed the icons | 14:18 |
| GridCube | ali1234, i remember back in the day there was a problem with xpm files for icons | 14:18 |
| ochosi | OvenWerks: you added 16px versions? | 14:18 |
| OvenWerks | Ya | 14:18 |
| brainwash | GridCube: already fixed? | 14:18 |
| GridCube | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdk-pixbuf/+bug/1061037 | 14:18 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1061037 in gdk-pixbuf (Ubuntu) "Using .xpm icons on desktop may draw huge icon" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 14:18 |
| ochosi | OvenWerks: if you're using elementary-xfce and want icons like these added to the icon theme let me know (or send me a pull-request) | 14:19 |
| OvenWerks | I was using the old ones to point out that the main menu does resize but the right click does not. | 14:19 |
| GridCube | actually this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-panel/+bug/1066591 | 14:19 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1061037 in gdk-pixbuf (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1066591 Using .xpm icons on desktop may draw huge icon" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 14:19 |
| brainwash | same issue, isn't it? | 14:20 |
| GridCube | yes apparentry | 14:20 |
| ochosi | yup i guess | 14:20 |
| ali1234 | GridCube: SMB is png files, but they put the same 128x128 icon in all the directories, without resizing it | 14:20 |
| GridCube | XD | 14:20 |
| ochosi | ali1234: bastards! :) | 14:20 |
| OvenWerks | ochosi: we have actually made the icons part of the menu overlay so they are in hicolor | 14:20 |
| GridCube | ali1234, oh, i dont know about that | 14:20 |
| ochosi | OvenWerks: ah fine too | 14:20 |
| ali1234 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/1010326 | 14:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1010326 in gnome-panel (Ubuntu) "Super Meat Boy has a HUGE icon" [Undecided,Fix committed] | 14:20 |
| ochosi | ali1234: if you want me to fix that in our icon-theme lemme know | 14:20 |
| ochosi | ah, fix committed sounds ok | 14:21 |
| ali1234 | not sure if it was ever fixed - it's not a huge (lol) problem anyway | 14:21 |
| ali1234 | *released | 14:22 |
| ochosi | hehe | 14:22 |
| ochosi | meh, it seems that logout wasn't part of the patch: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/139758200/xfce4-session-4.10.1-and-logind-suspend.patch | 14:23 |
| ali1234 | i wonder if gedit is ever going to get it's icon back | 14:27 |
| ochosi | what do you mean? | 14:28 |
| ali1234 | it has no icon on the taskbar or top left corner of the window in themes that support it | 14:28 |
| ali1234 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gedit/+bug/1219120 | 14:28 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1219120 in gedit (Ubuntu) "gedit has no application icon" [Low,Confirmed] | 14:28 |
| ochosi | ah, it doesn't set its appicon | 14:29 |
| ochosi | true, i never noticed | 14:30 |
| ochosi | i guess nothing we can do about it | 14:30 |
| ali1234 | for me, the icon on taskbar is the main way i identify windows | 14:30 |
| ochosi | i hadn't noticed because i've been using plank for a while | 14:30 |
| ali1234 | i don't like when KDE greys all but the selected window | 14:30 |
| ochosi | that's a feature in gtk3 as well | 14:31 |
| smartboyhw | knome, you guys should be proud of making it into a Mercedes Benz promo video:) | 16:09 |
| neyder_ | hi there | 16:38 |
| neyder_ | I'm trying to createa custom desktop session, to be loaded besides xubuntu-session and xfce-session, it should hace one botom panel and different set off wallpapers. | 16:40 |
| ali1234 | i tried to do something like that once | 16:40 |
| neyder_ | I'm starting my work with sources of xubuntu-desktop-defaults xubuntu-artwork | 16:40 |
| neyder_ | ali1234, how did you do that? | 16:42 |
| ali1234 | i did it with gnome-session | 16:42 |
| neyder_ | but with XFCE? | 16:43 |
| ali1234 | xfce4-session is the equivalent | 16:44 |
| neyder_ | that's because we will ship 4K laptops with customized xubuntu, give install CD to other computers, all this based in xubuntu | 16:45 |
| neyder_ | in xfce4-panel configuration, how does I set it to be as a vertical panel | 17:19 |
| neyder_ | <property name="position" type="string" value="p=8;x=683;y=755"/> this is was set in my desktop, and in xubuntu-default-settings is value="p=6;x=0;y=0" | 17:20 |
| ali1234 | p= is probably a set of flags | 17:32 |
| ali1234 | a bitmask that is | 17:33 |
| ali1234 | http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-panel/tree/panel/panel-window.c#n184 | 17:35 |
| ali1234 | that's an enum so the first one = 0 | 17:36 |
| ali1234 | then it counts up | 17:36 |
| ali1234 | that's what the p value is | 17:36 |
| neyder_ | yep, it a position, starting in 1 right border and count up anti clock wise | 17:37 |
| pleia2 | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/09/ubuntu-appears-in-mercedes-benz-self-driving-car-promo for what smartboyhw was talking about | 17:37 |
| pleia2 | 59 seconds in is a pretty good shot of xubuntu | 17:38 |
| ali1234 | how do you know it isn't debian? | 17:42 |
| neyder_ | mouse of xubuntu-logo-menu | 17:44 |
| pleia2 | yep | 17:46 |
| GridCube | yep | 17:47 |
| ali1234 | openstreetmap is in there too | 17:48 |
| neyder_ | help, i want my present customized desktop session, to be a xdg-session to be loaded for new users and choosed session | 17:49 |
| ali1234 | if you look really closely at the screen you can see they are using http://www.kogmo-rtdb.de/ | 18:13 |
| ali1234 | but an old version from when it was still LGPL | 18:14 |
| ochosi | Gridcube's deviantart initiative seems to have paid off in one way already, xubuntu screenshots on deviantart have spiked since he started | 21:27 |
| knome | yeah, and we should get that thing going on in our website too | 21:29 |
| knome | licensing probles though, the moderation stuff isn't working as expected yet | 21:30 |
| Unit193 | That can be hard with back(drops|grounds). | 21:30 |
| knome | sure, but the guidelines are clearly laid out | 21:30 |
| ochosi | mm | 21:34 |
| ochosi | i agree, it would be nice to get that going before the next release | 21:34 |
| brainwash | ochosi: any progress regarding the logout delay? | 21:39 |
| ochosi | brainwash: not really yet tbh | 21:40 |
| ochosi | tried to pin the work on someone else because i think it'd take me ages to figure it out | 21:41 |
| ochosi | but we'll see | 21:41 |
| brainwash | ok | 21:42 |
| brainwash | looks like everyone is affected, or? | 21:43 |
| ochosi | guess, but haven't had a chance to check | 21:43 |
| ochosi | maybe elfy can check? :) | 21:43 |
| ochosi | (amazing timing) | 21:43 |
| Unit193 | elfy broke it, why would checking help? | 21:44 |
| * elfy broke what? | 21:45 | |
| ochosi | :) | 21:45 |
| ochosi | elfy: we were just talking about the logout bug and whether everyone is affected or not | 21:45 |
| elfy | and yea - bad timing - given the extenuating circumstances | 21:45 |
| ochosi | i said that i assume so, but you'd probably know better | 21:45 |
| elfy | ochosi: well ... | 21:46 |
| elfy | if there was a bug I could tell you if others were affected - but it's all a bit wishy washy - I appear to be - but then again logout is as fast now for me as it was with 12.04 so I assume it is as designed :) | 21:47 |
| elfy | said the QA bloke | 21:47 |
| ochosi | i see | 21:47 |
| ochosi | hm | 21:47 |
| brainwash | kernel: [ 115.649607] traps: xfce4-indicator[1350] general protection ip:7fddc958626c sp:7fffb2151910 error:0 in libgobject-2.0.so.0.370 6.0[7fddc9553000+51000] | 21:48 |
| ochosi | still, the fact that the greeter is going crazy about the logged-in state of users also points to a bug there | 21:48 |
| brainwash | ^anyone else seeing this? | 21:48 |
| brainwash | (syslog) | 21:50 |
| elfy | ochosi: I wonder if the logout bug we have is connected | 21:51 |
| ochosi | elfy: why not? | 21:52 |
| elfy | too late in the evening for me to find it | 21:52 |
| ochosi | well as long as i don't find anything useful in the logs, it's hard to find out | 21:53 |
| elfy | https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1204486 | 21:53 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1204486 in LightDM GTK+ Greeter "Unable to select alternate languages at login screen" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 21:53 |
| elfy | is one of them - you don't actually logout - can't change languages | 21:54 |
| ochosi | yeah, that's likely related | 21:54 |
| ochosi | at least that's what i've been trying to fix when i discovered the delay | 21:54 |
| elfy | but saying that - I've never had xubuntu logout me out any quicker | 21:55 |
| ochosi | really? 7 seconds? | 21:55 |
| elfy | yep | 21:55 |
| brainwash | about 7 seconds here too | 21:55 |
| ochosi | lordy | 21:55 |
| brainwash | feels like an eternity | 21:55 |
| elfy | rarely use it tbh | 21:56 |
| ochosi | brainwash: btw, as you're always hanging out in the dev-channel, do you feel like contributing? | 21:56 |
| brainwash | ochosi: in which way? fixing nasty bugs? :D | 21:58 |
| elfy | I don't contribute like that ;) | 21:58 |
| ochosi | brainwash: hehe, no actually low-hanging fruit (but something we don't have enough time for) | 21:59 |
| Unit193 | elfy: Nor do I, maybe it's just to troll. :*( | 21:59 |
| brainwash | I really should improve my programming/debugging skills | 22:00 |
| * elfy shudders | 22:00 | |
| ochosi | brainwash: well you can do something technical too if you want, but it was a more mundane task i had in mind | 22:01 |
| knome | Unit193, every project needs a troll, you're from the better side | 22:02 |
| Unit193 | :D | 22:02 |
| brainwash | ochosi: can't tell without knowing any details | 22:02 |
| ochosi | brainwash: well basically we've wanted to add more wallpapers since deciding to go for a 1gb image | 22:03 |
| ochosi | and knome and me even set up a selection | 22:03 |
| ochosi | what would need to be done is getting in touch with the authors of the images, and checking the licenses etc | 22:04 |
| ochosi | then we could get that into our xubuntu-wallpapers package (or a new one) | 22:04 |
| knome | i'm personally thinking a realistic schedule is that the new stuff lands in 14.04. | 22:04 |
| brainwash | asking the guy who prefers having a simple solid black background :D | 22:05 |
| elfy | nice - so new menu editor/wallpaper - just need something to replace Ubuntu Slow Centre :) | 22:05 |
| knome | elfy, you mean menulibre? | 22:06 |
| elfy | yea | 22:06 |
| knome | heh | 22:07 |
| elfy | :) | 22:07 |
| knome | yeah, sounds like a solid plan for 14.05. | 22:07 |
| Unit193 | elfy: Synaptic|apt-get, done. :D | 22:07 |
| knome | oh right, USC | 22:07 |
| brainwash | what about lubuntu's software center? | 22:07 |
| knome | haha | 22:07 |
| knome | yeah... | 22:07 |
| elfy | knew I should just have said goodnight ... | 22:07 |
| Unit193 | What about muon? :---D | 22:08 |
| brainwash | or ubuntu's web app center? https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/ | 22:09 |
| brainwash | (not really an option though) | 22:09 |
| elfy | off up the wooden hill then - cya | 22:10 |
| ochosi | brainwash: righty, well if ya change your mind you can always take a look at these: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork/Raring/Wallpapers | 22:12 |
| knome | ok, i'm off for today | 22:15 |
| knome | catch you all later | 22:15 |
| ochosi | seeya | 22:17 |
| brainwash | ochosi: the pictures upload to ubuntu lack any details about the author and the pictures hosted on flickr already offer legal information | 22:19 |
| ochosi | brainwash: some of them have the license info and author in the tooltip | 22:20 |
| brainwash | are these only user submissions (done by the author)? | 22:20 |
| ochosi | no | 22:20 |
| ochosi | these are picks by me and knome (mostly from flickr), pics 2, 3 and 5 are done by us | 22:20 |
| ochosi | (2,3 by me, 5 by knome) | 22:21 |
| ochosi | so for the remaining 8 we'd need the infos | 22:21 |
| ochosi | brainwash: btw, if you prefer debugging the logout bug, that'd be a great help too ;) | 22:27 |
| brainwash | ochosi: what about the license details provided in the info box (flickr)? | 22:27 |
| ochosi | brainwash: those should be fine | 22:27 |
| ochosi | but we need cc-by-sa | 22:27 |
| ochosi | so we'd have to ask some of the authors to change the license in order to be able to use them | 22:28 |
| Unit193 | cc-sa wouldn't do? | 22:30 |
| ochosi | Unit193: i don't know that one, only cc-by-sa, or cc-by-nc-sa | 22:32 |
| ochosi | ah | 22:32 |
| ochosi | cc-sa has been retired | 22:32 |
| ochosi | i guess that could work too, but why not use the up-to-date cc-by-sa? | 22:33 |
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