[07:38] Unit193: indeed, now ubuntu carries it and is also responsible for keeping things working (sounds like extra fun) [10:22] brainwash: the icons should be fixed in the latest package-update [10:23] ochosi: yes, they are, thanks :) [10:23] good to hear [10:23] so your icon-sizes are fine again? [10:24] yea, original size again [10:29] cool [10:29] if you see any other icon issues please let me know [13:29] can anyone confirm a (really noticeable!) lag when logging out on Saucy? [13:30] noticed that since i'm working towards a patch for the greeter [13:30] I can try to ochosi [13:31] anything I need to do to confirm it or do you just mean - is it noticeable slow now? [13:38] ochosi: did you already check the usual log files for suspicious warnings/errors? [13:45] elfy: yeah, for me it's noticeable [13:45] brainwash: well if people can't confirm it i'll dig around the logs [13:45] if not, i won't waste too much time and rather try to fix the logout-bug [13:46] it doesn't 'seem' any longer than it normally does here - but it does appear to take a longish time 'normally' [13:46] ok [13:46] here it takes ~7secs [13:46] I'll check [13:46] so almost as long as booting :) [13:46] I'd say 2 secs - but it's longer than that :p [13:50] ochosi: 8 seconds [13:50] about as long for me as it has been for a long time [13:50] that's acceptable though if locking works properly ;) [13:51] but sure, please fix it if you know how to [13:51] hi knome [13:51] hey elfy [13:55] ouch, I was pretty sure that my dedicated gpu (or kms) won't cause a kernel panic anymore when graphically logging.. what a bummer, need to re-add my lightdm script hock [13:55] brb [13:59] that's longer than 8 seconds ... [14:00] elfy: hmpf, okay, then i need to take a look at that [14:00] maybe it's something related to systemd again that mr_pouit didn't fix in xfce4-session [14:01] ali1234: i fixed theming for the indicators in greybird-git-master now, could you please test that? [14:01] sure [14:01] in case it works, i'll add similar stuff for the themes that need it [14:01] thanks! [14:01] Orion is really fine [14:01] Numix too [14:01] although i need to drop the sizing patch from there [14:02] hmm it's not working [14:02] i restarted the panel but the background is still thw wrong colour [14:02] are you sure? [14:02] oh wait, wrong theme [14:02] (sorry, i know that's a silly question, but it's hard to believe) [14:02] ok :) [14:03] it looks ok [14:03] the border looks a little bit different [14:03] yeah, a little [14:03] but not too much i think [14:03] it's close enough [14:03] considering gtk2/gtk3 stuff [14:04] yeah, box-shadows aren't 100% working as they should in this context [14:04] otherwise they'd be identical [14:04] but menus are fine too? [14:05] they look ok to me... what am i looking for? [14:08] not sure, anything really [14:08] i had some issues with hovering [14:08] e.g. in soundmenu [14:08] but i think i fixed that now [14:09] it looks fine [14:09] i just spotted a bug though [14:09] the volume notification bubble shouldn't show when you change the volume from the sound menu [14:09] ochosi: Sorry to butt in, but I had noticed that the menu from a right click on the desktop would not resize icons. I don't know if that is theming though [14:10] ali1234: that's somewhat true, but it was always like that (blame the unmaintained xfce4-volumed) [14:10] The problem has gone away for me because I am using an icon theme with right sized icons now [14:10] sure. i only just noticed it though [14:11] OvenWerks: what do you mean exactly? [14:11] OvenWerks: what do you mean exactly? can you show me a screenshot of that? [14:11] haha [14:11] nice one [14:11] hang on... [14:11] when you right click in a file manager you get "zoom in/out" in the menu [14:11] this isn't available for desktop icons... is that what you mean? [14:12] i think he refers to the app-menu you get when you right-click the desktop [14:12] same as the one in the panel [14:12] but you can't resize the icons int he panel, can you? [14:13] not in the menu, at least not easily [14:13] oh well, let's just wait and see :) [14:13] agreed :) [14:14] speaking of icons and menus... one thing that bugs me is you can turn off icons in *all* menus, and you can turn off icons in just the start menu, but you can't have icons in the start menu and nowhere else [14:15] yeah, general gtk overrides xfce-menu [14:15] it kinda makes sense [14:15] KDE does the exact same thing [14:15] http://imagebin.org/270352 [14:15] but in gnome classic it's possible [14:15] ali1234: might work with whiskermenu [14:15] This is from 13.04 [14:15] ali1234: (because it's not really a menu-widget) [14:15] but like I say in 13.10 the icons are the right size to begin with [14:16] i don't recognise that menu at all [14:16] that's ubuntu-studio [14:16] it is custom [14:16] ya [14:16] ah, ok [14:16] so you mean those top icons are too big? [14:16] OvenWerks: ok, first of all: the icons that aren't the right size aren't in our icon theme [14:16] ochosi: after some trouble with KMS I was able to logout, yes, there is some unusual delay [14:17] brainwash: yeah, we'll have to fix that too then... [14:17] no, I am thinking that a new application with only one icon. [14:17] if you install the game "super meat boy" it has a HUGE icon that breaks many menu applications [14:17] it's like 128x128 [14:17] however, if it is a fix the icon theme thing I will consider it fixed :) [14:18] these are all 48X [14:18] OvenWerks: so you say in 13.10 it works (with the same icon.theme)? [14:18] no we fixed the icons [14:18] ali1234, i remember back in the day there was a problem with xpm files for icons [14:18] OvenWerks: you added 16px versions? [14:18] Ya [14:18] GridCube: already fixed? [14:18] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdk-pixbuf/+bug/1061037 [14:18] Launchpad bug 1061037 in gdk-pixbuf (Ubuntu) "Using .xpm icons on desktop may draw huge icon" [Undecided,Confirmed] [14:19] OvenWerks: if you're using elementary-xfce and want icons like these added to the icon theme let me know (or send me a pull-request) [14:19] I was using the old ones to point out that the main menu does resize but the right click does not. [14:19] actually this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-panel/+bug/1066591 [14:19] Launchpad bug 1061037 in gdk-pixbuf (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1066591 Using .xpm icons on desktop may draw huge icon" [Undecided,Confirmed] [14:20] same issue, isn't it? [14:20] yes apparentry [14:20] yup i guess [14:20] GridCube: SMB is png files, but they put the same 128x128 icon in all the directories, without resizing it [14:20] XD [14:20] ali1234: bastards! :) [14:20] ochosi: we have actually made the icons part of the menu overlay so they are in hicolor [14:20] ali1234, oh, i dont know about that [14:20] OvenWerks: ah fine too [14:20] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/1010326 [14:20] Launchpad bug 1010326 in gnome-panel (Ubuntu) "Super Meat Boy has a HUGE icon" [Undecided,Fix committed] [14:20] ali1234: if you want me to fix that in our icon-theme lemme know [14:21] ah, fix committed sounds ok [14:21] not sure if it was ever fixed - it's not a huge (lol) problem anyway [14:22] *released [14:22] hehe [14:23] meh, it seems that logout wasn't part of the patch: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/139758200/xfce4-session-4.10.1-and-logind-suspend.patch [14:27] i wonder if gedit is ever going to get it's icon back [14:28] what do you mean? [14:28] it has no icon on the taskbar or top left corner of the window in themes that support it [14:28] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gedit/+bug/1219120 [14:28] Launchpad bug 1219120 in gedit (Ubuntu) "gedit has no application icon" [Low,Confirmed] [14:29] ah, it doesn't set its appicon [14:30] true, i never noticed [14:30] i guess nothing we can do about it [14:30] for me, the icon on taskbar is the main way i identify windows [14:30] i hadn't noticed because i've been using plank for a while [14:30] i don't like when KDE greys all but the selected window [14:31] that's a feature in gtk3 as well [16:09] knome, you guys should be proud of making it into a Mercedes Benz promo video:) [16:38] hi there [16:40] I'm trying to createa custom desktop session, to be loaded besides xubuntu-session and xfce-session, it should hace one botom panel and different set off wallpapers. [16:40] i tried to do something like that once [16:40] I'm starting my work with sources of xubuntu-desktop-defaults xubuntu-artwork [16:42] ali1234, how did you do that? [16:42] i did it with gnome-session [16:43] but with XFCE? [16:44] xfce4-session is the equivalent [16:45] that's because we will ship 4K laptops with customized xubuntu, give install CD to other computers, all this based in xubuntu [17:19] in xfce4-panel configuration, how does I set it to be as a vertical panel [17:20] this is was set in my desktop, and in xubuntu-default-settings is value="p=6;x=0;y=0" [17:32] p= is probably a set of flags [17:33] a bitmask that is [17:35] http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-panel/tree/panel/panel-window.c#n184 [17:36] that's an enum so the first one = 0 [17:36] then it counts up [17:36] that's what the p value is [17:37] yep, it a position, starting in 1 right border and count up anti clock wise [17:37] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/09/ubuntu-appears-in-mercedes-benz-self-driving-car-promo for what smartboyhw was talking about [17:38] 59 seconds in is a pretty good shot of xubuntu [17:42] how do you know it isn't debian? [17:44] mouse of xubuntu-logo-menu [17:46] yep [17:47] yep [17:48] openstreetmap is in there too [17:49] help, i want my present customized desktop session, to be a xdg-session to be loaded for new users and choosed session [18:13] if you look really closely at the screen you can see they are using http://www.kogmo-rtdb.de/ [18:14] but an old version from when it was still LGPL [21:27] Gridcube's deviantart initiative seems to have paid off in one way already, xubuntu screenshots on deviantart have spiked since he started [21:29] yeah, and we should get that thing going on in our website too [21:30] licensing probles though, the moderation stuff isn't working as expected yet [21:30] That can be hard with back(drops|grounds). [21:30] sure, but the guidelines are clearly laid out [21:34] mm [21:34] i agree, it would be nice to get that going before the next release [21:39] ochosi: any progress regarding the logout delay? [21:40] brainwash: not really yet tbh [21:41] tried to pin the work on someone else because i think it'd take me ages to figure it out [21:41] but we'll see [21:42] ok [21:43] looks like everyone is affected, or? [21:43] guess, but haven't had a chance to check [21:43] maybe elfy can check? :) [21:43] (amazing timing) [21:44] elfy broke it, why would checking help? [21:45] * elfy broke what? [21:45] :) [21:45] elfy: we were just talking about the logout bug and whether everyone is affected or not [21:45] and yea - bad timing - given the extenuating circumstances [21:45] i said that i assume so, but you'd probably know better [21:46] ochosi: well ... [21:47] if there was a bug I could tell you if others were affected - but it's all a bit wishy washy - I appear to be - but then again logout is as fast now for me as it was with 12.04 so I assume it is as designed :) [21:47] said the QA bloke [21:47] i see [21:47] hm [21:48] kernel: [ 115.649607] traps: xfce4-indicator[1350] general protection ip:7fddc958626c sp:7fffb2151910 error:0 in libgobject-2.0.so.0.370 6.0[7fddc9553000+51000] [21:48] still, the fact that the greeter is going crazy about the logged-in state of users also points to a bug there [21:48] ^anyone else seeing this? [21:50] (syslog) [21:51] ochosi: I wonder if the logout bug we have is connected [21:52] elfy: why not? [21:52] too late in the evening for me to find it [21:53] well as long as i don't find anything useful in the logs, it's hard to find out [21:53] https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1204486 [21:53] Launchpad bug 1204486 in LightDM GTK+ Greeter "Unable to select alternate languages at login screen" [Undecided,Confirmed] [21:54] is one of them - you don't actually logout - can't change languages [21:54] yeah, that's likely related [21:54] at least that's what i've been trying to fix when i discovered the delay [21:55] but saying that - I've never had xubuntu logout me out any quicker [21:55] really? 7 seconds? [21:55] yep [21:55] about 7 seconds here too [21:55] lordy [21:55] feels like an eternity [21:56] rarely use it tbh [21:56] brainwash: btw, as you're always hanging out in the dev-channel, do you feel like contributing? [21:58] ochosi: in which way? fixing nasty bugs? :D [21:58] I don't contribute like that ;) [21:59] brainwash: hehe, no actually low-hanging fruit (but something we don't have enough time for) [21:59] elfy: Nor do I, maybe it's just to troll. :*( [22:00] I really should improve my programming/debugging skills [22:00] * elfy shudders [22:01] brainwash: well you can do something technical too if you want, but it was a more mundane task i had in mind [22:02] Unit193, every project needs a troll, you're from the better side [22:02] :D [22:02] ochosi: can't tell without knowing any details [22:03] brainwash: well basically we've wanted to add more wallpapers since deciding to go for a 1gb image [22:03] and knome and me even set up a selection [22:04] what would need to be done is getting in touch with the authors of the images, and checking the licenses etc [22:04] then we could get that into our xubuntu-wallpapers package (or a new one) [22:04] i'm personally thinking a realistic schedule is that the new stuff lands in 14.04. [22:05] asking the guy who prefers having a simple solid black background :D [22:05] nice - so new menu editor/wallpaper - just need something to replace Ubuntu Slow Centre :) [22:06] elfy, you mean menulibre? [22:06] yea [22:07] heh [22:07] :) [22:07] yeah, sounds like a solid plan for 14.05. [22:07] elfy: Synaptic|apt-get, done. :D [22:07] oh right, USC [22:07] what about lubuntu's software center? [22:07] haha [22:07] yeah... [22:07] knew I should just have said goodnight ... [22:08] What about muon? :---D [22:09] or ubuntu's web app center? https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/ [22:09] (not really an option though) [22:10] off up the wooden hill then - cya [22:12] brainwash: righty, well if ya change your mind you can always take a look at these: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork/Raring/Wallpapers [22:15] ok, i'm off for today [22:15] catch you all later [22:17] seeya [22:19] ochosi: the pictures upload to ubuntu lack any details about the author and the pictures hosted on flickr already offer legal information [22:20] brainwash: some of them have the license info and author in the tooltip [22:20] are these only user submissions (done by the author)? [22:20] no [22:20] these are picks by me and knome (mostly from flickr), pics 2, 3 and 5 are done by us [22:21] (2,3 by me, 5 by knome) [22:21] so for the remaining 8 we'd need the infos [22:27] brainwash: btw, if you prefer debugging the logout bug, that'd be a great help too ;) [22:27] ochosi: what about the license details provided in the info box (flickr)? [22:27] brainwash: those should be fine [22:27] but we need cc-by-sa [22:28] so we'd have to ask some of the authors to change the license in order to be able to use them [22:30] cc-sa wouldn't do? [22:32] Unit193: i don't know that one, only cc-by-sa, or cc-by-nc-sa [22:32] ah [22:32] cc-sa has been retired [22:33] i guess that could work too, but why not use the up-to-date cc-by-sa?