[07:37] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:45] <smartboyhw> Hmm, no people voted since I left?
[07:56] <lordievader> smartboyhw: Voted on what?
[07:56] <smartboyhw> lordievader, please look at /topic
[07:57] <lordievader> Ah, downside of long topics, they don't fit in the topbar or irssi.
[07:57] <smartboyhw> lol
[07:57] <apachelogger> it's why people should tinyurl their crap
[07:58] <apachelogger> or simply not write their grandma's birthday into the channel topic
[07:58] <apachelogger> but oh well
[07:58] <apachelogger> that fight I gave up years ago
[07:58] <apachelogger> the solution is: don't read channel topics :S
[07:58] <lordievader> apachelogger: ;)
[07:58] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, heh. BTW, did you vote?
[07:58] <apachelogger> nope
[08:18] <Riddell> happy tuesday
[08:30] <Riddell> anyone see this bug? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=324574
[08:30] <Riddell> Application specific icon now doesn't work in 4.11
[08:31] <Blizzz> Riddell: i have no issues with kdevelop
[08:32] <Riddell> Blizzz: got 4.11.1 installed?
[08:32] <Blizzz> Riddell: 4.11.1
[08:32] <Blizzz> yes
[08:32] <Riddell> thanks, I don't see the issue either, maybe we already patch for it or maybe I'm missing something
[08:34] <Blizzz> Riddell: but i also have a pretty fresh .kde
[08:35] <Riddell> that won't make a difference
[08:36] <Riddell> nothing in out kde-workspace to patch it
[08:36] <Riddell> nothing in our kde-workspace to patch it
[08:36] <Blizzz> Riddell: I opened now Calligra Plan and Sheets. In the Open  dialoge most of the templates habe an icon with a question mark. can this be related?
[08:36] <Riddell> had a user ask nicely so I want to help :)
[08:37] <Riddell> Blizzz: no this bug is about app icons only, I think that'll be just missing icon files
[08:38] <Blizzz> app icons are all fine
[08:40] <Riddell> well no harm in adding the patch anyway I'd say
[08:40] <lordievader> Riddell: Kdevelop works fine here too. Though I have to say I compiled kdevelop 4.6 myself, not sure if that matters.
[08:41] <Riddell> no it's a bug in kde-workspace
[08:42] <lordievader> "Application like Quassel / KDevelop"?
[08:43] <Riddell> it's not a very clear bug report, guess that's just where he was seeing the issue
[08:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: FWIW plasma-widget-networkmanagement was not removed when I upgraded my saucy setup
[08:58] <apachelogger> also the new thing aint authenticating with my wifi
[09:06] <apachelogger> or maybe it's the driver that is no w defunct,s eeing as it now spams tty0
[09:23] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes removing the old one is yet to be fixed, I had hoped the version upgrade tool would do it for us
[09:23] <Riddell> apachelogger: try a dist-upgrade, the version I uploaded yesterday should do wifi authentication from the applet (the old one you had to set it up in the full dialog)
[09:31] <smartboyhw> Riddell, are we dealing with networkmanagerqt and modemmanagerqt new releases in Saucy?
[10:42] <smartboyhw> Riddell, Bug 1219839
[10:42] <smartboyhw> It's ready
[10:55] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1223287] package kde-runtime-data 4:4.8.5-0ubuntu0.1 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1223287 (by Prabodh)
[11:15] <Riddell> smartboyhw: sweet, have you tested it?
[11:15] <smartboyhw> Riddell, my phone is charging, so I will test it later-.-
[11:15] <Riddell> smartboyhw: yeah getting the releases of nm bits would be good
[11:15] <smartboyhw> (I got it to 0 today)
[11:17] <lordievader> It has just been brought to my attention in #kubuntu that jockey-kde is broken, is this a known issue? (AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'InstallProgress')
[11:18] <Riddell> lordievader: it's an issue I suspect is the case but I've not looked into at all, bug reports welcome
[11:18] <smartboyhw> lordievader, and patches welcome too:P
[11:18] <lordievader> Riddell: It is both the jockey-kde and jockey-text (and probably jockey-gtk, don't have that one).
[11:19] <Riddell> not sure it still exists
[11:19] <Riddell> jockey is unmaintained so it's up to us to fix it or drop it
[11:19] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I don't suppose muon is getting driver setup any time soon?
[11:19] <lordievader> Ah I see.
[11:19] <Riddell> I'm not even sure what jockey is used for these days
[11:19] <smartboyhw> Riddell, thinking of this missing symbol in libmm-qt
[11:19] <smartboyhw> + _ZnwmPv@Base 0.5.0-0ubuntu1
[11:19] <smartboyhw>  #MISSING: 0.0~git20130816# (subst|arch=amd64)_Znw{size_t}Pv@Base 0.0~git20130816
[11:19]  * Riddell hugs thinkpad with intel components that don't need it
[11:20] <smartboyhw> Thinking if it is OK to replace
[11:20] <smartboyhw> (i.e. use the current one to overrule the MISSING symbol)
[11:20] <Riddell> smartboyhw: how do you mean use the current one?
[11:20] <lordievader> Ugh ubuntu-bug segfaults :(
[11:21] <yofel> lordievader: which version of pykde is installed? (use apport-cli in the meantime)
[11:21] <smartboyhw> Riddell, i.e. let _ZnmwPv@Base go in and delete (subst|arch=amd64) _Znw{size_t}Pv@Base
[11:21] <Riddell> lordievader: yes now that's an issue I had too, make sure you've got the latest pykde and sip4 and other pykde bits work
[11:21] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ^
[11:21] <Riddell> smartboyhw: oh no they're separate symbols
[11:21] <Riddell> smartboyhw: has the soname been bumped for the release?
[11:22] <yofel> Riddell: IIRC we're still using jockey because the ubuntu-drivers stuff is py3 and kpython3pluginfactory doesn't exist
[11:22] <lordievader> yofel, Riddell: E: Unable to locate package pykde
[11:22] <Riddell> lordievader: python-kde4
[11:22] <lordievader> Is already the newest version/
[11:23] <Riddell> lordievader: so yeah, a bug report needed for that too :(
[11:23] <yofel> lordievader: which is?
[11:23] <smartboyhw> Riddell, checking
[11:23] <lordievader> yofel: 4:4.11.0-0ubuntu1
[11:23] <lordievader> Riddell: With sip4 you mean python-sip?
[11:23] <yofel> you need 4.11.1-0ubuntu2
[11:23] <Riddell> lordievader: yep
[11:24] <yofel> possibly stuck in proposed
[11:24] <jussi> so company I work for just released a bunch of stuff as open source, thought maybe some of you all would like to have a look... http://nomovok.com/news/48/63/Nomovok-released-WRATH-to-Open-Source
[11:24] <lordievader> That one wasn't installed though, python-sip.
[11:24] <Riddell> oh arm breakage
[11:24] <lordievader> Hmm it still segfaults after installing sip.
[11:24]  * Riddell fears the wrath of jussi 
[11:25] <yofel> lordievader: as I said, your python-kde4 i stoo old, and python-sip needs to be 4.15.2~snapshot-20130906-0ubuntu1
[11:25] <smartboyhw> ScottK, thanks for approving, now I seriously need MOTUs-.-
[11:26] <Riddell> smartboyhw: kdeconnect needs tested before uploading
[11:26] <smartboyhw> Riddell, hmm, I am building the old package and the MISSING symbols occur too
[11:26] <smartboyhw> Riddell, OK
[11:27] <Riddell> smartboyhw: interesting, so a compiler change probably
[11:27] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yeah
[11:27] <Riddell> smartboyhw: tempting to just ignore it then
[11:27] <lordievader> yofel: Appearantly the newer version of python-kde4 is not yet in the repo's I have enabled.
[11:27] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I'm extremely tempted to ignore it, so ignoring.
[11:28] <yofel> lordievader: it is in saucy-proposed, so maybe it's stuck there
[11:28] <jussi> Riddell: not the name I came up with ;)
[11:28] <yofel> should be out soon
[11:28] <lordievader> yofel: Oke, cool :)
[11:29] <Riddell> lordievader: yay, ubuntu-bug works if I install pykde from -propoesd
[11:31] <smartboyhw> Hmm, lost symbols
[11:31] <smartboyhw> All coming from the same thing
[11:31] <lordievader> Riddell: Ah great \o/
[11:32] <Riddell> smartboyhw: if it's just the same compiler change that should be fine to ignore, the compiler usually understands these things better than me
[11:33] <smartboyhw> Riddell, checking
[11:33] <smartboyhw> But I'm thinking it's not
[11:33] <Riddell> do we have any arm PPAs for testing?
[11:33] <Riddell> smartboyhw: you have one hidden away don't you?
[11:33] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yes
[11:34] <lordievader> I can try my hand at fixing the jockey bug, but I'm not sure if I'll succeed.
[11:34] <smartboyhw> Riddell, eh ew, the symbols were replaced with the 0.5.0 version:P
[11:35] <yofel> hm, about that symbol
[11:35] <yofel> what's the actual code for that?
[11:35] <yofel> I've seen symbolshelper doing wrong size_t mappings in the past
[11:36] <smartboyhw> yofel, http://paste.kde.org/paf59e7e2/
[11:36]  * smartboyhw is good enough to actually find the code related:P
[11:36] <Riddell> lordievader: go for it :)
[11:36] <yofel> uh, not really
[11:36] <yofel> $ c++filt _ZnwmPv
[11:36] <yofel> operator new(unsigned long, void*)
[11:36] <smartboyhw> Normally, I fail to do so
[11:36] <yofel> that paste doesn't talk about operators
[11:37] <smartboyhw>     : ModemInterface(*new ModemGsmSmsInterfacePrivate(path, this), parent)
[11:37] <smartboyhw> !?
[11:37] <smartboyhw> yofel, ^
[11:38] <tsimpson> that's fine, as long as it's deleted
[11:39] <Riddell> smartboyhw: can you upload this to arm ppa? http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/pykde4_4.11.0-0ubuntu2~ppa1.dsc
[11:39] <smartboyhw> Riddell, OK sure
[11:43] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I think I need the _source.changes file
[11:44] <tsimpson> smartboyhw: you'll need to generate it (so you can sign it)
[11:44] <Riddell> smartboyhw: http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/pykde4_4.11.0-0ubuntu2~ppa1_source.changes
[11:44] <Riddell> but as tsimpson says, you'll need to sign it
[11:49] <ScottK> smartboyhw: You should work on becoming one (MOTU).
[12:03] <yofel> smartboyhw: are you building on i386?
[12:08] <smartboyhw> ScottK, oh?
[12:08] <smartboyhw> Interesting though:P
[12:08] <smartboyhw> Riddell, signing is easy
[12:08] <smartboyhw> I just don't want to make my own:P
[12:10] <smartboyhw> ScottK, I would rather want to work on being a DD:P
[12:13] <yofel> smartboyhw: ok, I think you were right with just dumping the whole subs stuff for the symbol, so go ahead and do that (in case that was a 32bit build)
[12:13] <yofel> *subst
[12:13] <smartboyhw> yofel, unfortunately, that is an amd64 build-.-
[12:13]  * smartboyhw thinks he has just done something stupid
[12:14] <smartboyhw> Anyhow, can just run it in a pbuilder
[12:14] <smartboyhw> Riddell, https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/packaging-staging-3-for-arm/+build/4951590
[12:15] <yofel> would be weird really, as _Znw{size_t}Pv is _ZnwmPv on amd64
[12:15] <Riddell> smartboyhw: should be done any day now :)
[12:15] <smartboyhw> Riddell, any day, LOL
[12:16] <yofel> lets hope pykde doesn't use automoc
[12:17] <smartboyhw> yofel, why? Automoc doesn't work on ARM?
[12:18] <yofel> not in qemu-arm bug 1077116
[12:38] <Riddell> smartboyhw: um it failed even earlier :(
[12:40] <smartboyhw> Riddell, -.-
[12:40] <Riddell> I wonder if that's because it's not compiling against -proposed
[12:40] <smartboyhw> Riddell, OK, I will enable -proposed
[12:41] <smartboyhw> Enabled and re-started builds
[12:41] <Riddell> thanks smartboyhw 
[12:41] <Riddell> but I see the only stuff it built againt in -proposed was libmirclient-dev
[12:41] <Riddell> which shouldn't even be in there
[12:42] <smartboyhw> Riddell, libmirclient!?
[12:42] <smartboyhw> -.-
[12:42] <smartboyhw> When did we start supporting XMir!? 0.0
[12:43] <yofel> never, it's probably pulled in by something else
[12:45] <apachelogger> qt I say
[12:46] <smartboyhw> Meh
[12:48] <smartboyhw> Hmm
[12:48] <smartboyhw> pykde4 failed again
[12:48] <smartboyhw> Code error-.-
[12:49] <yofel> I only just realized that now, but why are you building 4.11.0, not 4.11.1?
[12:49] <smartboyhw> yofel, hell!?
[12:50] <smartboyhw> Hmm, i386 and amd64 have different symbols (i386 uses j, amd64 uses m) -.-
[12:51] <smartboyhw> Riddell, please give me a proper file-.-
[12:52] <yofel> smartboyhw: that's (subst) {size_t} then
[12:53] <yofel> j = unsigned int, m = unsigned long
[12:53] <smartboyhw> yofel, OK...
[12:54] <yofel> smartboyhw: as pointer addresses have different size on 32/64
[12:54] <smartboyhw> yofel, but using that will fail the amd64 builds here
[12:54] <smartboyhw> yofel, ^
[12:55] <smartboyhw> It's failing the builds
[12:55] <Riddell> smartboyhw: pardon?
[12:55] <yofel> oh
[12:55] <smartboyhw> Riddell, you gave me 4.11.0 -.-
[12:55] <smartboyhw> Instead of 4.11.1
[12:56] <yofel> ok, wrong, size_t would be qw(m|j}
[12:57] <Riddell> smartboyhw: hmm, how did that happen?
[12:57] <smartboyhw> yofel, ( or {?
[12:57] <smartboyhw> Riddell, your fault, apparently, now looking back at the logs
[12:57] <yofel> smartboyhw: that was just typo, problem is that symbolshelper expects qwm, and we have nwm
[12:57] <debfx> symbolshelper is able to guess the subst type if you feed it all the build logs in one run
[12:58] <smartboyhw> yofel, OK
[12:58] <yofel> hm
[12:58] <yofel> smartboyhw: do what debfx said
[12:58]  * smartboyhw thinks batchpatch is a bit dangerous
[12:58] <yofel> it's not
[12:58] <debfx> or you can just look at the source code :)
[13:03] <smartboyhw> debfx, yofel using batchpatch failed for me -.-
[13:03] <smartboyhw> Can't call method "expand" on an undefined value at /usr/share/perl5/Debian/PkgKde/SymbolsHelper/Symbol.pm line 112, <$filehandle> line 121.
[13:03] <smartboyhw> pkgkde-symbolshelper: error: libmodemmanagerqt0 patching FAILED. Will NOT continue.
[13:03] <smartboyhw> Sigh, maybe I should get my phone and test KDE Connect instead
[13:04] <Riddell> smartboyhw: try this http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/pykde4_4.11.1-0ubuntu3~ppa1.dsc
[13:05] <smartboyhw> Riddell, give me a _source.changes file?
[13:05] <smartboyhw> That's easier for me
[13:05] <Riddell> smartboyhw: http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/pykde4_4.11.1-0ubuntu3~ppa1_source.changes
[13:05] <yofel> debfx: ^ as far as I see, symbolshelper doesn't support nw(j|m)
[13:07] <yofel> unless the q doesn't belong to the symbols
[13:07]  * yofel sucks at perl
[13:08] <smartboyhw> Hmm Kubuntu doesn't seem to recognize my Bluetooth
[13:08] <smartboyhw> The adapter, that is
[13:10] <smartboyhw> Heh, bluetooth package isn't installed-.-
[13:11] <smartboyhw> No, still can't find it
[13:13] <yofel> hm, no, I misunderstood symbolshelper
[13:13] <debfx> yofel: size_t seems to match what smartboyhw wrote
[13:13] <yofel> yes, I agree now
[13:14] <debfx> qw() is just some perl syntax foo
[13:14] <Riddell> anyone tested the videolan libdvdcss package?
[13:14] <apachelogger> ohm
[13:14] <Riddell> apachelogger: able to test?
[13:14] <smartboyhw> :( Can't get Bluetooth working, no test
[13:15] <apachelogger> yofel: dpkg-architecture as used in neon5's envrionment.rc is part of dpkg-dev
[13:15] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I can't test KDE Connect myself
[13:15] <Riddell> smartboyhw: can't you use a wired connection?
[13:15] <yofel> apachelogger: oops
[13:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: if you tell me how
[13:15] <smartboyhw> Riddell, sure, but wire is weird in this case:P
[13:15] <apachelogger> and if I find a dvd
[13:15] <Riddell> apachelogger: install from archive here, find a dvd, watch film http://www.videolan.org/developers/libdvdcss.html
[13:16] <Riddell> smartboyhw: what's weird about wired?
[13:16] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I'm not sure if it works
[13:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: that page totally needs to give me a command with add-apt-repository
[13:17] <yofel> apachelogger: do you know a different way of reading DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH without dpkg-architecture?
[13:17] <smartboyhw> Riddell, in wired, KDE Connect Android can't read it
[13:18] <smartboyhw> *detect it
[13:18] <apachelogger> yofel: why do we need to read it anyway?
[13:18] <apachelogger> yofel: just read at buildtime and sed into the rc?
[13:18] <yofel> oh, good point
[13:19] <Quintasan> Riddell: As for Plasma Active 4. Going to need more time, it's more complicated at this point now that I took a look at it
[13:19] <yofel> IIRC I added that because something wasn't found anymore after some buildsystem automatically used CMAKE_LIBRARY_ARCHITECTURE
[13:19] <Riddell> Quintasan: I suspected it might be, can you write on trello what's complex and what needs done?
[13:20] <Quintasan> First there is an important interrogation to be held
[13:20] <Quintasan> smartboyhw: Attention! What is the patch for workspace you were talking about?
[13:20] <Riddell> gosh, an interrogation
[13:20] <smartboyhw> Quintasan,the one in the Active 4 download folder
[13:20] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, 0.0
[13:21] <Quintasan> the readme states you HAVE to patch it in
[13:21] <Quintasan> and I believe you said someone told you not to patch it in
[13:21] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, but upstream definitely says no
[13:21] <smartboyhw> That was discussed not only in the upstream channel but also in Active channel
[13:21] <Quintasan> lol
[13:22] <smartboyhw> Riddell, seriously, KDE Connect is not working here
[13:22] <smartboyhw> Can somebody having an Android phone test it?
[13:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: works
[13:23] <Quintasan> KDE Connect? wat is that
[13:23]  * Quintasan googles
[13:24] <Quintasan> oooh
[13:24] <Quintasan> smartboyhw: Do we have a pacakge
[13:24] <Quintasan> ?
[13:24] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, yes
[13:24] <Quintasan> Where?
[13:25] <smartboyhw>  https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/packaging-staging-1/+files/kdeconnect-kde_0.1-0ubuntu1.dsc
[13:27] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, ^
[13:27] <Quintasan> I can see it, compiling
[13:29] <smartboyhw> Hmm
[13:29] <smartboyhw> Hold all testing of it
[13:32] <yofel> apachelogger: fixed
[13:33] <apachelogger> yofel: I just saw, you are wicked :P
[13:33] <apachelogger> yofel++
[13:36] <Riddell> Quintasan: are you able to test kde connect?
[13:36] <smartboyhw> Hmm, my package is obviously correct in terms of files installed, but it just can't launch the suitable kcm module
[13:36] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I have some packaging problems here-.- (Small ones, some leftovers, not affecting the install itself)
[13:37] <smartboyhw> Now, the problem is that the install itself doesn't work -.-
[13:37] <Riddell> smartboyhw: of kde connect?
[13:37] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I mean, the packages are OK it seems, but I can't seem to find the KCM applet everywhere
[13:38] <Riddell> smartboyhw: "kdeconnect-kde" why the funny name?
[13:38] <smartboyhw> Riddell, upstream name, not mine
[13:39] <smartboyhw> They wanted to classify between kdeconnect-android
[13:39] <Quintasan> hmmm
[13:40] <apachelogger> yah so that should be kdeconnect-plasma
[13:40] <Riddell> smartboyhw: I agree, kcmshell4 kcm_kdeconnect  is broken
[13:40] <apachelogger> welcome to brandinghell
[13:40] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, LOL
[13:40] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yeah
[13:40] <Quintasan> libkdeconnect-dev_0.1-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[13:40] <smartboyhw> Now I think of it, I'm re-considering are we shipping this
[13:40] <Quintasan> ./usr/lib/kde4/kcm_kdeconnect.so
[13:40] <Quintasan> ehm
[13:40] <apachelogger> ^ !
[13:40] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, ?
[13:40] <apachelogger> that be a plugin
[13:41] <Quintasan> No wonder it doesn't work
[13:41] <apachelogger> there is .so which is a symlink to .so.foo.whatever
[13:41] <yofel> smartboyhw: you put the kcm itself into the dev package
[13:41] <apachelogger> and there is .so which is a shared object without versioning
[13:41] <apachelogger> kcm (the tech) uses latter as that is how one does plugins
[13:41] <smartboyhw> yofel, OOPS 
[13:41] <apachelogger> so right now the plugin is in the -dev
[13:42] <Quintasan> and once you install -dev package it works
[13:42] <apachelogger> put it in a release note; it'll be fine
[13:42] <Riddell> usr/lib/*so usually a library dev symlink usr/lib/kde4/*so usually a plugin
[13:42]  * apachelogger runs
[13:43]  * Riddell cheers as pykde4 continues compiling on arm
[13:43] <Quintasan> Great
[13:43] <Quintasan> It works!
[13:43] <Quintasan> However Notification sync does not
[13:43] <Riddell> Quintasan: kdeconnect?
[13:43] <Quintasan> Says it's not available on my Android version
[13:43] <Quintasan> Riddell: Yes
[13:43] <Riddell> awooga
[13:43] <Riddell> Quintasan: what does it do again?
[13:44] <Quintasan> Did we upload it to the repositories?
[13:44] <Quintasan> Riddell: Well, it apparently integrates Android into KDE as of now
[13:44] <Quintasan> I can control Amarok from my phone and send notifications from my phone to desktop
[13:44] <Quintasan> Riddell: Think you could try calling me?
[13:45] <Riddell> Quintasan: number?
[13:45] <apachelogger> you know I just realized, I think no one ever did not make the mistake of putting a plugin in the dev
[13:46] <Quintasan> Riddell: Works!
[13:46] <Riddell> Quintasan: what happens?
[13:46] <Quintasan> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/09/10/plasma-desktopGM2040.png
[13:47] <Riddell> sweet
[13:47] <Quintasan> SPLENDID IF I MAY SAY SO
[13:47] <Riddell> smartboyhw: let's get this baby uploaded
[13:47] <Quintasan> First have him fix it
[13:47] <Riddell> Quintasan: is that with bluetooth?
[13:47] <smartboyhw> So, where should I put it!?
[13:47] <Quintasan> Riddell: WiFi as far as I can tell
[13:47] <smartboyhw> Riddell, let's tell me where is it-.-
[13:47] <smartboyhw> (I mean, where should I put it)
[13:47] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, WiFi!?
[13:48] <Riddell> smartboyhw: anywhere I can get we can get it to upload it
[13:48] <smartboyhw> Riddell, no, I mean the .so plugins-.-
[13:48] <Quintasan> smartboyhw: You put it into -dev package for christs sake, it's no a development library but a kcm plugin, it should go into kdeconnect-kde
[13:48] <Quintasan> BUT
[13:48] <Quintasan> I would rename this crap to kdeconnect-kded
[13:49] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, tell upstream to rename this stuff
[13:49] <Quintasan> Or even better, you could split it into kdeconned-kded and a kde-config-kdeconnect
[13:49] <Riddell> yeah let's go with upstream's name but ask them to rename to kdeconnect-plasma
[13:49] <Riddell> Quintasan: ug no, why would you want to install separately?
[13:49] <Quintasan> Riddell: We already do magic like this
[13:50] <Quintasan> Like kde-config-telepathy-accounts
[13:50] <Quintasan> Or kde-config-cron for that example
[13:50] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, I rather would not want to make it too complicated-.-
[13:50] <Riddell> Quintasan: they're separate upstream sources
[13:50] <Riddell> smartboyhw++
[13:51] <Quintasan> It's not really that complicated, is it?
[13:51] <Quintasan> As least it doesn't look so from my viewpoint
[13:51] <Riddell> no but there's also no need
[13:52] <lordievader> Riddell: I figured out what the problem is with the jockey, it depends on depricated features of python-apt. They are removed in the newer version.
[13:53]  * smartboyhw prefers "Less is More", so no splitting packages like that-.-
[13:54] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I need 2 MOTUs.
[13:55] <Riddell> lordievader: good work!
[13:55] <smartboyhw> Riddell, 4.11.1 build failed (pykde4)
[13:55] <Riddell> lordievader: but does that mean all hope is lost or might there be a work around?
[13:55] <Riddell> smartboyhw: what do you need 2 motus for?
[13:56] <smartboyhw> Riddell, NEW packages needs two MOTUs to review it before upload, wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages says that
[13:56] <Riddell> smartboyhw: that's a good fail, it passed the error I had before and this is a similar one
[13:56] <Quintasan> Christ, just give me the new source and I will upload it for you
[13:56] <Quintasan> Wait
[13:56] <Quintasan> We need FFe for it.
[13:57] <Riddell> Quintasan: we have a FFe
[13:57] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, nah, ScottK acked
[13:57] <apachelogger> so we need two MOTUs
[13:57] <apachelogger> two MOTUs and a bottle of rum
[13:57] <lordievader> Riddell: The first error I've fixed, however there are more. There is still hope :)
[13:57] <Riddell> smartboyhw: don't worry about MOTUs, we're doing it under kubuntu-dev
[13:57] <Riddell> lordievader: good luck!
[13:57] <smartboyhw> Riddell, Quintasan https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/packaging-staging-2/+files/kdeconnect-kde_0.1-0ubuntu1.dsc
[13:58] <Riddell> Quintasan: want to upload it and I'll new it?
[13:58] <Quintasan> Riddell: It shall be as you suggested
[13:58] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, Riddell Thank you:)
[13:58] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, are you a DD?
[13:58] <Quintasan> smartboyhw: s/unrecgonziable/unrecognizeable
[13:59] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, -.- (sorry)
[13:59] <Quintasan> besides, what is unrecognizable in Debian?
[13:59]  * smartboyhw does not have the best English in the world
[13:59] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, um
[13:59] <smartboyhw> It's like #!xdg-open
[13:59] <Quintasan> I do realise that, that's why pointed it out, I'm not doing that with bad intentions
[14:00] <smartboyhw> Lintian cannot recognize it
[14:00] <smartboyhw> s/Debian/Lintian/ should have been it
[14:00] <kubotu> smartboyhw: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[14:00] <smartboyhw> My fault
[14:00] <Quintasan> smartboyhw: Make it something like "Added xdg-open Lintian overrides for kdeconnect-kde"
[14:01] <Quintasan> Makes it more obvious.
[14:01] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, don't tell me to re-upload again to another PPA, I have no strength--.-
[14:02] <Quintasan> Just put it up somewhere where I can download it, just fix those things, do debuild -S and send me the files
[14:04] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[14:04] <Quintasan> uh
[14:05] <Quintasan> Riddell: GPL-2+-KDE any ideas what is that or if it's acceptable?
[14:05] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, it's just the KDE e.V new version of the GPL
[14:05] <Riddell> Quintasan: it's acceptable, it's gpl2 or 3 or approved by e.v.
[14:05] <smartboyhw> i.e community.kde.org/Licensing_Policy (find it yourself, link might be wrong
[14:05] <Quintasan> The question is whether dep5 understands that
[14:05] <Quintasan> but matters not it seems
[14:05] <Riddell> Quintasan: yeah you can put anything in that field
[14:06] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, even GPL-2+-openssl is acceptable
[14:06] <Riddell> even with spaces is acceptable
[14:06] <Quintasan> smartboyhw: Fixed those? I'm pretty much sure it's good to go
[14:06] <smartboyhw> https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/packaging-staging-4/+files/kdeconnect-kde_0.1-0ubuntu1.dsc Quintasan 
[14:06] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, ^
[14:07]  * Quintasan testbuilds
[14:09] <smartboyhw> I have tested it multiple times in a pbuilder so the build-deps should all be correct
[14:11] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, JontheEchidna ScottK I am taking that you're not going to vote in Doodle right? I'm picking the time soon.
[14:11] <Riddell> bah I can't work out this pykde issue, it compiled fine in older versions and hasn't changed
[14:11] <Quintasan> Good.
[14:11] <Quintasan> Uploading
[14:11] <Quintasan> Riddell: NEW it please
[14:12]  * smartboyhw thinks it's something in GCC or Qt ARM -.-
[14:12] <Riddell> smartboyhw: or a newer SIP being more fussy
[14:13] <smartboyhw> Riddell, :(
[14:13] <Riddell> I'm tempted to see what happens if I just miss out that method
[14:14] <Riddell> "Seamless integration with all your devices"  all?  not just android?
[14:14] <smartboyhw> Riddell, technically, the target is
[14:15] <smartboyhw> They want to make it work everywhere. Now, it's still Android.
[14:15] <smartboyhw> But, they want others to help:p
[14:15] <Riddell> still all is optimistic, will it work with my kettle?
[14:16] <Riddell> missing COPYING licence file, tsk
[14:16] <smartboyhw> Riddell, come on, the project's a bit fresh in KDE Playground. And what Kettle?
[14:16] <Riddell> also no translations
[14:17] <smartboyhw> Riddell, stop moaning;P
[14:17] <Riddell> smartboyhw: no excuse, they should have put it in there, not a problem for New and I can just put it in upstream git
[14:17] <Riddell> smartboyhw: New review is full time moaning
[14:17] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I know
[14:17] <Riddell> if you're not moaning you're not doing it properly
[14:17] <smartboyhw> But, well, they are a startup
[14:18] <smartboyhw> We can do such things later:)
[14:19] <Riddell> smartboyhw: accepted!
[14:20] <smartboyhw> Riddell, many thanks;)
[14:20] <Riddell> smartboyhw: do poke me when it's in binary new for more moaning
[14:20] <smartboyhw> Riddell, LOL
[14:20] <smartboyhw> Yeah!
[14:20] <smartboyhw> (Let's moan!)
[14:22] <lordievader> Riddel: I think I fixed the jockey, the second part of the fix isn't pretty but it works :D
[14:23] <Riddell> smartboyhw: can you upload http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/pykde4_4.11.1-0ubuntu3~ppa2.dsc
[14:23] <Riddell> http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/pykde4_4.11.1-0ubuntu3~ppa2_source.changes
[14:23] <Riddell> lordievader: yo da man
[14:23] <smartboyhw> Riddell, sure
[14:23] <Riddell> lordievader: need me to take a look?
[14:23] <Riddell> smartboyhw: this is a workaround rather than a fix for the pykde issue :(
[14:23] <Riddell> but job for upstream I think
[14:24] <smartboyhw> Riddell, sure
[14:25] <lordievader> Riddell: Would be a good idea, but how?
[14:25] <smartboyhw> Riddell, uploaded
[14:26] <smartboyhw> Riddell, amd64 in binary NEW
[14:26] <Riddell> lordievader: it'll be in bzr if you want to do it properly or you can send me patches
[14:26] <smartboyhw> Please moan
[14:26] <Riddell> smartboyhw: nah I'll wait for them all to arrive
[14:26] <smartboyhw> Riddell, sure
[14:26] <Riddell> no point in moaning 4 times
[14:27] <Riddell> hmm, ninjas PPA is arm isn't it?
[14:27] <smartboyhw> Gua!/
[14:27] <smartboyhw> !/
[14:27] <smartboyhw> !?
[14:28] <lordievader> Riddell: Never done anything with bzr (except download sources), could you guide me?
[14:28] <Riddell> lordievader: let me see
[14:28] <lordievader> Riddell: I have downloaded the sources of jockey with bzr.
[14:29] <Riddell> lordievader: bzr branch lp:jockey   ?
[14:29] <yofel> Riddell: ninjas isn't, ~kubuntu-active/ppa is AFAIR
[14:30] <Riddell> yofel: ah hah
[14:31] <lordievader> Riddell: I used this one: bzr branch lp:ubuntu/jockey
[14:31] <Riddell> lordievader: that's the jockey package, you want upstream jockey which is   bzr branch lp:jockey
[14:31] <lordievader> Riddell: Ah ok.
[14:32] <lordievader> Downloading now.
[14:32] <Riddell> lordievader: but the two might be out of sync so check first they're not
[14:32] <smartboyhw> Riddell, start moaning
[14:33] <Riddell> oh it wasn't like this when I was a lad
[14:33] <Riddell> I don't know what's happened to the youth today
[14:33] <smartboyhw> Riddell, what?
[14:33] <smartboyhw> You told me to remind you to moan-.-
[14:33] <Riddell> oh you mean New review not generaly moaning :)
[14:33] <lordievader> Riddell: How do I do that?
[14:33] <smartboyhw> Riddell, of course it's NEW review-.-
[14:33] <Riddell> lordievader: check if bzr log in the upstream shows any changes made in debian/changelog of the package
[14:36] <lordievader> Riddell: If I try to run the "bzr branch lp:jockey" where I ran "bzr branch lp:ubuntu/jockey" I get an error: bzr: ERROR: Already a branch: "jockey".
[14:36] <smartboyhw> lordievader, do it in another directory
[14:37] <lordievader> That is what I did after I got that error, but wasn't sure if that was the right thing to do XD
[14:39] <lordievader> Wait, the upstream one is completely different than the Ubuntu/jockey one or than the one installed on my system.
[14:39] <lordievader> Well the oslib.py file anyways.
[14:44] <lordievader> Hehe the upstream doesn't have a debian folder.
[14:45] <yofel> that's how it should be, only the packages should have the packaging
[14:49] <lordievader> Right, right. Well I'm at a loss on what to do now.
[14:55] <Riddell> lordievader: hi, where did you get to?
[14:57] <lordievader> Riddell: Well the oslib.py file, the origin of the errors, is completely different in lp:jockey compared to lp:ubuntu/jockey. 
[15:00] <Riddell> lordievader: yep I agree, looks like the devs have stopped bothering with it being an "upstream"
[15:00] <Riddell> lordievader: so just send me the patch to the package version
[15:01] <lordievader> Riddell: You mean the corrected oslib.py file?
[15:02] <Riddell> lordievader: yeah
[15:03] <Riddell> lordievader: what is this team all about? https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-power-users
[15:04] <smartboyhw> 13, 13.
[15:04] <smartboyhw> Nice number in Chinese, bad number for Westerners;P
[15:05] <lordievader> Riddell: Here you go: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6088357/
[15:05] <smartboyhw> Riddell, hmm, the team is set up by benonsoftware 
[15:05] <Riddell> kdeconnect-kde accepted!
[15:05] <smartboyhw> The legendary Ubuntu Member who gained Ubuntu Membership at 12
[15:05] <smartboyhw> Riddell, no moaning!?
[15:06] <lordievader> Riddell: Lines 27, 29, 784-805 are changed
[15:06] <Riddell> smartboyhw: that deserves a blog, you want to blog it?
[15:06] <Riddell> smartboyhw: it was perfectly packaged by someone
[15:06] <smartboyhw> Riddell, you can blog it, we want screenshots, and I can't do any here;P
[15:07] <lordievader> I think I joined because I saw that smartboyhw was a member. I like the term power-user ;)
[15:07] <smartboyhw> lordievader, huh!?
[15:08] <lordievader> Riddell: ^
[15:08] <Riddell> :)
[15:08] <lordievader> smartboyhw: The Kubuntu-Power-Users team ;)
[15:08] <smartboyhw> lordievader, no, the part about I joined then you saw me join so you join-.-
[15:10] <lordievader> smartboyhw: Haha my English ain't perfect.
[15:10] <smartboyhw> lordievader, not about your English, but on why you have to follow me
[15:11] <smartboyhw> Riddell, Quintasan DAMN IT
[15:11]  * Riddell blogs http://blogs.kde.org/2013/09/10/kde-connect-kubuntu
[15:11] <smartboyhw> I think the changelog has a error: It uses Debian's Closes: Instead of Ubuntu's LP: -.-
[15:11] <Riddell> smartboyhw: what?
[15:11] <smartboyhw> Riddell, see above
[15:11] <Riddell> hah, crisis!
[15:11] <Riddell> no wait, just close it manually
[15:12] <smartboyhw> Riddell, of course, but why on Earth did we not catch that:(
[15:12] <smartboyhw> My epic fault
[15:12] <Riddell> s/epic/tiny/
[15:12] <kubotu> Riddell: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[15:14] <Odur> Hmm... Must try kde-connect :) 
[15:14] <smartboyhw> Odur, yep
[15:14] <smartboyhw> BTW, who requested about that on #kubuntu, let me check
[15:15] <lordievader> Riddell: So how is the jockey patch?
[15:16] <smartboyhw> Ah, petete
[15:18] <smartboyhw> Riddell, and BTW, you shouldn
[15:18] <smartboyhw> 't use that screenshot
[15:18] <smartboyhw> Now everyone knows I can't do high-quality packaging-.-
[15:20] <Riddell> lordievader: sorry where is it?
[15:21] <lordievader> Riddel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6088357/
[15:21] <lordievader> Riddel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6088357/ Lines 27, 29, 784-805 are changed
[15:21] <Riddell> lordievader: could you use paste.kde.org ? paste.ubuntu needs me to log in for some unknown reason
[15:22] <Riddell> I got it now
[15:22] <smartboyhw> Riddell, log in!?
[15:23] <Riddell> lordievader: is this your diff? http://paste.kde.org/pebb167eb/
[15:23] <Riddell> smartboyhw: yeah for plain download
[15:23] <lordievader> Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/pc259cb28/
[15:23] <smartboyhw> Riddell, OK...
[15:24] <lordievader> Riddell: Yes, that looks about right.
[15:25] <Riddell> lordievader: could you explain the differences in the for package in cache: block?
[15:26] <lordievader> Riddell: The bit with "pkg = cache[package.name]"
[15:26] <lordievader> ?
[15:26] <Riddell> lordievader: yeah
[15:27] <Riddell> lordievader: only change is line 38/39 of http://paste.kde.org/pebb167eb/ ??
[15:28] <lordievader> The call package.architecture() is no longer there, so I needed a work around. No it should have an extra tab.
[15:30] <lordievader> I'm still quite the amateur when it comes to programming. Anyhow I added an extra if statement because I came across a package where pkg.candidate == None.
[15:33] <Riddell> Sorry: IndentationError: unindent does not match any outer indentation level (oslib.py, line 788)
[15:33] <Riddell> uh oh!
[15:33] <lordievader> That is not supposed to happen.
[15:36] <Riddell> I'll fix it
[15:36] <Riddell> smartboyhw: pykde4 looking good :)
[15:36] <smartboyhw> Riddell, \o/
[15:37] <lordievader> Oh I think the try/exept part needs to move one tab back.
[15:37] <Riddell> lordievader: fixed, uploading!
[15:38] <lordievader> Riddell: Whoo, did you test it though?
[15:38] <Riddell> lordievader: well it runs good for me
[15:38] <Riddell> dunno if that's the test path in question, I don't have any proprietary software needed
[15:38] <lordievader> Nice, whoo. Exited, first patch :D
[15:38] <Riddell> the code path in question
[15:38] <lordievader> Riddell: I have the same problem.
[15:39] <lordievader> It could very well be that other things in jockey are broken due to the new version of python-apt.
[15:40] <Riddell> !testers | http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/install-css.sh
[15:40] <Riddell> please test http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/install-css.sh
[15:40] <smartboyhw> Riddell, usable in Saucy?
[15:41] <lordievader> What does css stand for in this case?
[15:41] <Riddell> smartboyhw: yep
[15:41] <smartboyhw> lordievader, libdvdcss
[15:41] <Riddell> lordievader: content scrambling system, dvd encryption
[15:41] <smartboyhw> Riddell, it works here
[15:41] <Riddell> smartboyhw: amd64?
[15:41] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yes
[15:42] <lordievader> script runs fine here too (amd64)
[15:42] <Riddell> coiuld do with a test on i386
[15:43] <smartboyhw> Riddell, let me log in to the pbuilder:P
[15:44] <fos> yofel: Thanks for fixing the KDM Upstart script!
[15:45] <smartboyhw> Riddell, works in a i386 pbuilder
[15:45] <Riddell> smartboyhw: awooga
[15:45] <Riddell> fos, yofel: cool what was needed?
[15:46] <fos> He reverted the script to the old version from precise ;-)
[15:46] <fos> btw, the bug would have been bug 1219894
[16:04] <smartboyhw> Riddell, hmm, it failed still
[16:04] <smartboyhw> sip: Nepomuk::Variant unsupported ctor argument type - provide %MethodCode and a C++ signature
[16:04] <smartboyhw> sip stuff
[16:18] <smartboyhw> Good night people.
[16:24] <yofel> fos: I'll trust you that this really fixes the issue, I've seen kdm failing randomly for quite a while in my precise VM now but I never had a reliable way to reproduce it
[16:25] <yofel> does someone know if we have something like 'rmadison-ppa' somewhere?
[16:28] <fos>  yofel: At least it fixes the problem for all machines we have in our development environment. It hasn't officially been tested by our testing team though...
[16:29] <yofel> well, as I simply copied the file from 4.8 in it at least shouldn't break anything else
[16:30] <jmux> yofel: the real bug is probably in plymouth. For whatever reason "plymouth --wait" is never returning. So I guess "plymuoth --stop" doesn't actually stop plymouth.
[17:45] <shadeslayer> Riddell: thoughts on getting http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=37321 into Kubuntu/Debian
[17:46] <shadeslayer> Riddell: Unfortunately it doesn't have a proper build system
[17:46] <shadeslayer> and I am unsure what value it brings , but our friends in Bilbao want that packaged in the archive
[18:45] <Tm_T> hi, about KDE Connect, are there packages yet for raring?
[18:47] <Tm_T> apparently not
[19:25] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: you could just run backportpackage and upload them to your ppa
[19:27] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: ah, let's see...
[19:28] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: have to admit that you need to lend a guiding hand for that (:
[19:29] <Tm_T> aaah, I think I might get it now
[19:34] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: man backportpackage
[19:34] <shadeslayer> has everything
[19:34] <shadeslayer> you also want to make your PPA depend on the backports PPA if you have that enabled on raring
[19:35] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: how's that done?
[19:35] <shadeslayer> go to your ppa, there should be a "edit ppa dependencies" link
[19:35] <shadeslayer> top right I think
[19:36] <Tm_T> aah, gotcha
[19:37] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: thanks
[19:37] <shadeslayer> np
[19:40] <Tm_T> hah, now this good old gpg issue I hit with these, reminds me why I gave up last time
[19:40] <shadeslayer> aw :(
[19:40] <shadeslayer> what happened?
[19:40]  * shadeslayer has another 20 minutes before leaving
[19:40] <Tm_T> "secret key not available"
[19:41] <Tm_T> I tend to lose interest with gpg rather quickly, partly due to all the crashes I get with Kleopatra
[19:41] <shadeslayer> well
[19:42] <Tm_T> what I'm doing wrong is documented well I'm sure, so I'll hit the sources with this
[19:42] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: thanks for your help
[19:42] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: you need to make sure the email address + name in DEBEMAIL and DEBFULLNAME are the same as the one in your private key
[19:42] <Tm_T> yup
[19:42] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: an easy way to build debs would be to run dpkg-buildpackage :P
[19:43] <shadeslayer> pull-lp-source source_name
[19:43] <shadeslayer> cd source_name-ver
[19:43] <shadeslayer> dpkg-buildpackage
[19:43] <Tm_T> I don't want the easy way anymore now that I did setup ppa (:
[19:43] <Tm_T> time to learn this thing
[19:43] <shadeslayer> hahaa
[19:43] <shadeslayer> okay
[19:43] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: you should probably also run setup-packaging-environment
[19:44] <shadeslayer> then fill out the details it asks
[19:44] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: neat, thanks
[19:45] <Tm_T> when I was younger, all these tools weren't available, things getting easy which is nice
[19:45] <shadeslayer> yep :)
[19:45] <shadeslayer> and you might need pkg-kde-tools installed as well 
[19:49] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: that I should have already
[19:49] <shadeslayer> okie dokie
[19:49] <shadeslayer> just 26 hours to having first world internet \o/
[19:49] <shadeslayer> and other first world things
[19:51] <Tm_T> I wonder if I can make this spit out more information of that gpg error
[19:53] <shadeslayer> pastebin the error?
[19:54] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: checking debian/changelog for the latest entry also helps
[19:55] <shadeslayer> make sure the email addy + name is the same as the one in your key
[19:55] <shadeslayer> gtg
[19:56] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: ah, it was the name
[19:56] <Tm_T> thanks, it seems to roll nicely now
[20:01] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: awesome
[20:16] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: I'm heading to sleep, thanks again (: