[00:05] <imnichol> I'm having issues with audio stuttering, anyone know how to troubleshoot it?
[03:57] <samalex> question, if I installed 13.10 RC is there an upgrade path to 13.10 when it's officially released?  or would i need to install from scratch?
[03:57] <samalex> i'm  really eager to reinstall my laptop but i'd rather not go with 13.04 given 13.10 will be out next month
[03:59] <wilee-nilee> samalex, updates bring you to the release
[04:00] <samalex> wilee-nilee cool.
[12:42] <nandersson> Hi, what are the plans as to what IM-manager to ship in Ubuntu with the move to Qt?
[12:43] <nandersson> Will you stick to Pidgin in Ubuntu 14.10 for example, even though it is GTK+ based?
[12:45] <DGJones> nandersson,  I thought the default messenger app was Empathy rather than Pidgin, has that changed with 13.10?
[12:45] <nandersson> DGJones, I don't know. You are probably right.
[12:46] <DGJones> I've always found that I had to install pidgin rather than it being installed by default
[12:46] <nandersson> Empathy is also gtk+ so... What will the future look like in Ubuntu 14.10?
[12:47] <nandersson> DGJones, Yes, you are right. Empathy is the default.
[12:47] <ali1234> yeah pidgin hasn't been used for ages
[12:47] <ali1234> it's still default in xubuntu though
[12:47] <nandersson> What is the plan for IM in Ubuntu 14.10 then?
[12:48] <nandersson> What powers IM in Ubuntu Phone?
[12:49] <nandersson> Is there an IRC-channel for Ubuntu Phone?
[12:50] <ali1234> yes
[12:50] <ali1234> #ubuntu-touch
[12:50] <nandersson> ali1234, thanks!
[14:04] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[14:07] <nach0z> lies
[14:08] <johnjohn101> morning
[17:10] <SuperLag> Is there a way to block a device from mounting in Ubuntu when you plug it in? I'm getting nautilus oddities when I plug in my Nexus 4.
[17:10] <SuperLag> I just want it to not show up at all.
[17:11] <SuperLag> It's showing up, because I'm plugging it in to the USB charger cable
[17:11] <SuperLag> charge cable that is
[17:12] <trism> SuperLag: as an alternative you could disable mtp device in the nexus storage settings
[17:12] <pepee> hi. are there solutions for switching/disabling/enabling GPUs in AMD/AMD hybrid systems?
[17:14] <SuperLag> trism: excellent. Thank you.
[17:14] <SuperLag> that did the trick
[17:16] <BluesKaj> pepee, are the gpus ati ?
[17:16] <pepee> both, yeah
[17:16] <BluesKaj> bummer
[17:16] <pepee> radeon HD 6755g2
[17:16] <pepee> why? :/
[17:16] <SuperLag> Second question... I've got a .desktop file created for my IDE, I can see it in the Unity Launcher, and start it from the command line, but it doesn't stay in the launcher when I close it, even though I've selected "Lock to Launcher". What gives?
[17:17] <pepee> 6755g2 = 6520g (APU) + 6750M
[17:17] <BluesKaj> pepee, if the gpus were nvidia then bumblebee would probly do the switching for you
[17:18] <pepee> well, I asked in their channel. so far, no one has replied...
[17:18] <pepee> I'm asking in #radeon too
[17:19] <pepee> I tried using vgaswitcheroo... it worked, but I'm not sure xD
[17:20] <BluesKaj> first time I've heard of dual ati gpus
[17:21] <pepee> there have been systems like this since 2011
[17:21] <BluesKaj> assuming in a laptop
[17:21] <trism> SuperLag: it might not be matching correctly to the .desktop, you could try dragging the .desktop file to the launcher
[17:21] <pepee> fglrx works just fine
[17:21] <pepee> yeah
[17:21] <pepee> laptop
[17:22] <pepee> fglrx works just fine, but I want to use the FOSS driver
[17:23] <pepee> no one seems to care too much about these systems ;_;
[17:24] <pepee> is it normal that "/sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo" disappears after disabling the dGPU  (echo OFF > /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch)?
[17:24] <SuperLag> UGH.
[17:25] <SuperLag> NautilusDropbox is making nautilus crashy. :/
[17:25] <SuperLag> and I don't know if that piece is required for Dropbox to work
[17:27] <SuperLag> Are there any GUI file manager alternatives to nautilus that I could use temporarily?
[17:27] <SuperLag> gentoo work, but it won't let me drag/drop the .desktop file to the launcher
[17:28] <BluesKaj> SuperLag, in KDEv we just out the dropboxd scirpt file in autostart
[17:29] <BluesKaj> out=put
[17:29] <BluesKaj> no ned to fool with filemanagers
[17:30] <nabil> im new to linux
[17:31] <trism> SuperLag: it worked from pcmanfm when I just tried it
[17:31] <nabil> how to send msg to all users command line ?
[17:31] <pepee> BluesKaj, I have one of these laptops, hp dv6, llano: http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-pavilion-notebooks/588705-hp-dv6z-amd-llano-6xxx-series-owners-lounge.html
[17:32] <SuperLag> wtf
[17:32] <SuperLag> I just dragged the .desktop file for IDEA onto the launcher
[17:32] <SuperLag> from ~/.local/share/applications/
[17:33] <SuperLag> and when I click on it, it puts *ANOTHER* IDEA icon on the launcher
[17:33] <SuperLag> I'm confused :)
[17:35] <SuperLag> BluesKaj: I'm not sure which is the actual startup script for Dropbox...
[17:35] <nabil> ?
[17:35] <nabil> ?
[17:36] <SuperLag> !
[17:36] <SuperLag> nabil: that might be a better question for #linux
[17:37] <trism> SuperLag: yeah that's the problem it is not matching the window correctly
[17:37] <BluesKaj> SuperLag, look for dropboxd in the ~/.dropbox file , (enable hidden files)
[17:38] <SuperLag> BluesKaj: Okay. Read that dropboxd script. Does that mean the nautilus-dropbox package is just window dressing, and not necessary?
[17:38] <pepee> nabil, use 'talk'
[17:39] <trism> SuperLag: maybe something like this http://askubuntu.com/questions/36434/how-can-i-remove-duplicate-icons-for-launched-java-programs-in-the-launcher (though the answer is a bit old)
[17:39] <SuperLag> trism: haha. It figures it's a reference to java programs. :)
[17:41] <BluesKaj> SuperLag, not sure , nautlius must link to the dropbox site thru your browser
[17:52] <SuperLag> Wow. Remove that dropbox package and nautilus is magically stable.
[18:28] <pepee> btw, anyone wanting to use the radeon driver + vdpau (video decoding) will need the "libg3dvl-mesa" package, which is not in the repos...
[18:29] <pepee> and also, it's possible enable dynamic power management from the kernel command line:  radeon.dpm=1
[18:55] <tekonivel> argh Dash takes minutes to open, and alt-tab as well. How can i help to locate the problem? i has been like this for a week now (Saucy Salamander 13.10)
[18:58] <tekonivel> whenever that happens, the whole Unity almost freezes, and the animation are like 1 frame per 30 seconds. Compiz takes 100% of a core
[19:00] <wilee-nilee> tekonivel, Make a new user and see if this continues, without any info on what you may have done, alla tweaks if any.etc hard to diagnose.
[19:04] <tekonivel> wilee-nilee: good idea to try a different user. I haen't made any changes, but let's take a look.... thanks
[19:11] <tekonivel> wilee-nilee: yeah guest user get's the same lag in Unity Dash
[19:13] <wilee-nilee> tekonivel, Hmm, strange, you can reset unity and compiz, might be worth a try. I see this bug a few days old as well. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1221837
[19:13] <wilee-nilee> problem is the unity plugin in the dektop, lol
[19:13] <wilee-nilee> desktop*
[19:15] <tekonivel> wilee-nilee: yea i've done the reset, and i saw that entry on LP also (and have updated, of course), but no go :(
[19:23] <LarsN> Is there any way to disable the mouse battery indicator?
[19:24] <LarsN> I see there's a launchpad bug for Logitech mice showing 1% (or less) battery nearly constantly that's been patched, but hasn't flowed down to a release yet.
[19:24] <LarsN> I'd be perfectly happy just to squash the alerts all together.
[19:36] <tekonivel> wilee-nilee: ok i think pinned it down to a degree close enough: if i set the "Dash Blur" in ccsm/Ubuntu Unity Plugin/General from Active Blur (default) to No Blur, i'm all sorted
[19:36] <tekonivel> now, heading to Launchpad to report it (if it's not there already)
[19:39] <wilee-nilee> tekonivel, cool good job. ;)
[19:39] <tekonivel> it's there already, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1223275
[20:45] <brainwash> notify-osd behaves differently, when changing volume every notification gets queued instead of instantly replaced by the new one
[20:53] <brainwash> ^ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/notify-osd/+bug/1191565
[20:55] <IamTrying> I am using 13.04 / 64-bit with kernel 3.11 in a production release. I was surprised today with one issue, day and night i did test it worked but when i went to on site, got failed. I Am using one USB 2.0 Logitech camera C920 to capture video and audio and record it. While the stream is running if i take the USB cable out, the system get confused and never recognize it back even if i do $ reboot several times then i needed to power off and power on to
[20:55] <IamTrying>  let it temporary work.
[20:55] <IamTrying> It should have been solved if i had an option in Ubuntu 13.04 to split the kernel module of USB xhbc vs ehbc
[20:58] <IamTrying> And it was so weired because of the USB device failure. I remotely cant SSH and system seems to be working but disallow SSH or Apache or any network access, unless i locally ctrl+alt+f1 , f2 and restart it. Very weired, whole day i faced it on site tomorrow i have fight again. Do not know what can i do now i already have latest kernel but no luck.
[20:59] <pepee> what does the '(F)' mean in  http://pastebin.com/rXj8rrZa  ?
[20:59] <pepee> (ubuntu 13.10 + -proposed)
[21:00] <IamTrying> pepee, dont know, which kernel you are using?
[21:00] <pepee> IamTrying, 3.11.0-6
[21:00] <IamTrying> pepee, OK - do you have any special devices or so?
[21:01] <pepee> special as in...?
[21:01] <pepee> this is an AMD laptop (with dual graphics)
[21:01] <IamTrying> pepee, does this error shows up while working on a regular desktop ? without connecting any external hardwares? or you have something customized like openbox, gnome openbox?
[21:01] <IamTrying> OK - pepee which graphics card is it?
[21:02] <pepee> IamTrying, sorry, that error comes from a crashed vgaswitcheroo
[21:02] <IamTrying> pepee, could be a driver issue causing it, does liveCD works properly if you run for a while with only LiveCD?
[21:02] <IamTrying> OK - pepee
[21:02] <pepee> but I mean, what do the (F) means?
[21:02] <IamTrying> pepee, i dont know, but i think its a driver getting failed with kernel or so
[21:03] <IamTrying> pepee, if you run a LiveCD of Ubuntu 13.10 without modifications does this occure?
[21:03] <pepee> "echo OFF > /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch"   <- throws that warning, and the 2nd card (discrete) "disappears"
[21:03] <pepee> IamTrying, hmm, no idea, I don't have a livecd right now
[21:03] <pepee> I gotta download and try it...
[21:04] <pepee> although this isn't a "normal" system, I have a few other PPAs too
[21:04] <IamTrying> pepee, give a try with LiveCD latest version and run it for  a while to understand the differences between LiveCD stability on your system VS your normal installation u did.
[21:04] <pepee> but this is supposed to be a bug in the kernel, right?
[21:04] <pepee> good thing it doesn't crash/hang, it's just a warning :P
[21:05] <IamTrying> pepee, Not sure, cant say for sure. I would test it with first LiveCD to run for a while and see if it does any abnormal stuffs or not then
[21:05] <pepee> IamTrying, OK, thanks
[21:05] <IamTrying> NP
[21:05] <trism> pepee: might relate to the tainted flags: 'F' if any module was force loaded by "insmod -f" and 'O' if an externally-built ("out-of-tree") module has been loaded
[21:05] <trism> pepee: would make sense since the vbox one has OF
[21:06] <pepee> but anyway, I'm not sure someone would want to use vgaswitcheroo from a LiveCD in an AMD/AMD hybrid system, hehe
[21:06] <pepee> thanks trism
[21:08] <IamTrying> Since kernel 3.2 till 3.11 i have this USB Xhbc serious issue with Ubuntu still the C920 USB camera is not fixed. I was expecting at-least 3.11 it should be fixed but still not, my system does very weired for USB controllers
[21:09] <pepee> what does it do IamTrying ?
[21:11] <IamTrying> pepee, well i have Ubuntu 13.04 with kernel 3.11 now for production use. 1) system use ID card reader usb device 2) system use Touch screen usb deviec 3) system use C920 usb camera  4) system use XLR microphone usb microphone for quality audio 5) RJ 45 interface a RTSP stream capture for scanning
[21:11] <IamTrying> pepee, now when Ubuntu i use to capture or use those USB devices the system behave abnormally
[21:14] <pepee> abnormally, how? only when you connect the camera? do you see any messages in dmesg?
[21:15] <IamTrying> pepee, Abnormally means for example 1) when  i boot system it working fine no issue , lsusb shows all the devices 2) now i need to use the USB Camera so i start to capture it 3) the moment i start to capture the camera then after a while either i do not have camera stream or lsusb lost all usb devices
[21:15] <IamTrying> 4) as a result i am unable to use any usb device unless i physically go on-site and shutdown the PC and power on
[21:16] <IamTrying> 5) remotely doing software- reboot does not load the usb's
[21:16] <pepee> are you sure you have enough power for the devices?
[21:16] <IamTrying> 6) if i go back to old kernel then i have a Xhbc flooding crash.
[21:16] <pepee> USB uses 5V and gives a max of 500mA (in some ports)
[21:17] <IamTrying> pepee, yes all perfect, cause i have tested with Windows 7 to compare Ubuntu stability vs Windows 7 for same devices
[21:17] <pepee> have you used a powered USB hub?
[21:17] <pepee> ah
[21:17] <IamTrying> pepee, same box i used Windows 7 and all devices worked fine for 1 week. Then i moved to Ubuntu on same box to simulate and test but Ubuntu is failing
[21:17] <pepee> well, it could be linux mismanaging power...
[21:17] <IamTrying> pepee, no USB hub , i use built in USB interfaces. My device is from Dell Alienware X51 R2
[21:18] <IamTrying> pepee, last time i thought it was a BIOS problem, i also updated to latest BIOS A02 from Dell but still Ubuntu is not able to run the USB devices in stable way. But when i use same box with Windows 7 it works without any issue.
[21:19] <pepee> what if you connect only the camera? do you have any link to the camera specs? particularly on power usage
[21:19] <pepee> also, could be a bad driver, which AFAIK is managed by v4l2
[21:20] <IamTrying> pepee, if  i have the Dell Alienware X51 R2  1) with no other usb devices connected (not even keyboard/ mouse , login via ssh) 2) and connect not even that camera but other usb devices i have same problem. 3) camera specs http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/hd-pro-webcam-c920
[21:22] <pepee> ah k, so it's something related to the USB driver...
[21:22] <IamTrying> pepee, that could be one thing i can give a try and see if it resolves or not. Cause i have this problem since kernel 3.2 till 3.11 i have tried one after one kernel, none of them seems to be stable for my case. Perhaps its only a problem not related to kernel?
[21:23] <IamTrying> pepee, "pepee> also, could be a bad driver, which AFAIK is managed by v4l2" - how can i try this in my box which is having 13.04 and kernel 3.11 ?
[21:23] <pepee> you said you have problems with other devices...
[21:23] <pepee> I'd google the USB controller name and try if there are reported bug/fixes for it
[21:24] <IamTrying> pepee, YES - its very weired issue. Same box i used Ubuntu LiveCD for 24 hours  and with LiveCD it does not happen
[21:25] <pepee> run in a console:  lspci | grep -i usb
[21:25] <IamTrying> pepee, i googled for the problem. UBuntu bug report it says that kernel 3.11.xx has fixed some ones problem. But it was not really the answer cause 3.11.x is ignoring the xhbc and shutting down all the usb controllers which is more worst issue now
[21:26] <IamTrying> pepee, 00:14.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family USB xHCI Host Controller (rev 04)
[21:26] <IamTrying> pepee, 00:1a.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family USB Enhanced Host Controller #2 (rev 04)
[21:26] <IamTrying> 00:1d.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family USB Enhanced Host Controller #1 (rev 04)
[21:26] <IamTrying> 3 Controllers
[21:27] <pepee> have you tried switching options in the BIOS?
[21:27] <pepee> do you have any options in the BIOS?
[21:27] <IamTrying> pepee, Dell BIOS is very bad / EVIL. not have lot of options and also its latest GUI very lessoptions
[21:27] <pepee> have you googled for modded bioses?
[21:27] <IamTrying> pepee, Unfortunately in bios is no option i understand what you are trying to say, but alas i do not have for this boxes
[21:28] <pepee> I'm using a modded HP one :P
[21:28] <IamTrying> HP? OK
[21:28] <pepee> this is a BIOS though, not UEFI system
[21:28] <IamTrying> pepee, it could be that Dell and Ubuntu is not getting compatible for Alienware X51. Basically the PC gets shifted with Windows 7 and i always remove it and put Ubuntu on it for production release.
[21:30] <IamTrying> pepee, starting from Graphics card to USB i have all strange / weired issues with Dell and Ubuntu. I used some Chinese PC's there Ubuntu works perfectly but with this Dell Alienware X51 UBuntu is like impossible to make stable/reliable
[21:32] <IamTrying> pepee, if it was a driver issue. Why Ubuntu Live CD in same box works for 24 hour without any issue? And only does abnormal when Ubuntu gets installed in disk
[21:32] <IamTrying> I dont understand this fact.
[21:33] <pepee> IamTrying, is the system too new? is it USB3?
[21:34] <IamTrying> pepee, All my systems are too new brand new just purchase and replace windows 7 to put Ubuntu. its USB3 yes
[21:34] <pepee> just a guess... could be the options passed to the driver
[21:34] <IamTrying> pepee, Alienware X51 from Dell often have new hardware or firmware changes. I weekly purchase new Alienware X51 and put Ubuntu on it, every installation of Ubuntu is nightmare for me.
[21:35] <pepee> heh, my machine is 2 years old and it's still a nightmare to run things
[21:35] <pepee> so yeah, linux is slooow...
[21:36] <pepee> what I would try is to get the latest USB driver from intel, and build/install it by hand
[21:36] <IamTrying> pepee, i use Alienware X51 because i get i7 cpu with 8 threads, 8GB ram, 2TB disk, hdmi/dvi/vga output for large screen displays and hd sound card for hd sound effects.
[21:37] <pepee> or try the newest kernel from the -proposed repo
[21:38] <pepee> or from http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[21:39] <IamTrying> pepee, using this but have same problem: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.11-rc7-saucy/
[21:39] <IamTrying> pepee, i have only one last remain to test which is: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.11-saucy/
[21:39] <pepee> rc7 is old, the latest one is 3.11.0-6 I think
[21:39] <pepee> well, "old"
[21:41] <IamTrying> OK - pepee (will it conflict with my licensed encoder/decoders such as H.264 and MPEG-4-AAC?
[21:42] <pepee> hmm, no idea about that
[21:42] <IamTrying> After lot of work made 3.11-rc7 compatible with my encoder/decoders. Its a nightmare thinking to move next kernel for me.
[21:42] <IamTrying> OK - i will still try pepee , thank you
[21:43] <pepee> yw IamTrying
[21:43] <pepee> you could try copying the whole partition to another disk, and restoring it if things go wrong
[21:46] <pepee> it's just a file ;)
[21:48] <IamTrying> OK - pepee , yes i do have my own ISO file for static restore on crash or abnormal i made one customized CloneZilla of Ubuntu
[22:10] <pepee> IamTrying, well, as I said, try using a powered USB hub for now...  that's the only workaround I would use
[22:18] <IamTrying> OK - pepee , Would be a GREAT GREAT GREAT if it fix it. Let me share you how it is now.
[22:19] <IamTrying> pepee, 1) this is the engine failing on site http://imgur.com/a/hW12f#0  2) this is the USB power switch i have in my lab will this work like you are saying? http://imgur.com/8UU6YE7
[22:21] <graingert_> does anyone know why my touchpad edge scrolling is disabled
[22:21] <graingert_> and I only have /desktop/gnome/peripherals/touchpad/config_migration_needed == False in my gconf
[22:25] <IamTrying> graingert_, which touchpad model? I use Elo Touch screen works perfect, using export DISPLAY=:0.0 && xinput set-prop "Elo TouchSystems, Inc. Elo TouchSystems 2700 IntelliTouch(r) USB Touchmonitor Interface" --type=int --format=8 "Evdev Axis Inversion" 1, 0 ; export DISPLAY=:0.0 && xinput set-int-prop "Elo TouchSystems, Inc. Elo TouchSystems 2700 IntelliTouch(r) USB Touchmonitor Interface" "Evdev Axis Calibration" 32 0 9000 4095 -10
[22:25] <graingert_> uh?
[22:25] <graingert_> set prop?
[22:25] <graingert_> that sound magic
[22:25] <pepee> IamTrying, any supported hub should do it, but I would do some googling ("research") and see which ones work better
[22:26] <graingert_> IamTrying: I'm using Section "Device"
[22:26] <graingert_> 	Identifier	"Default Device"
[22:26] <graingert_> 	Option	"NoLogo"	"True"
[22:26] <graingert_> EndSection
[22:26] <graingert_> in my xorg.conf
[22:27] <IamTrying> graingert_, i think you can do it with xinput, i have not done scrolling but xinput checkout works great for me.
[22:27] <IamTrying> pepee, Thank you will test
[22:27] <graingert_> IamTrying: I can do it like that
[22:27] <graingert_> but that's wrong
[22:27] <graingert_> it should just work, it's a bug
[22:29] <IamTrying> graingert_, 1) i have two screen HDMI for 77" and VGA for 1024x768 2) then i place my application on VGA as i do this export DISPLAY=:0.0 && wmctrl -i -r $a -e 0,1280,0,1024,768 and then  3) i work on the 1024x768 for all xinput touch
[22:29] <graingert_> uhh
[22:29] <graingert_> what
[22:29] <graingert_> that's so broken
[22:30] <graingert_> don't do that
[22:30] <graingert_> just use your desktop.xml
[22:35] <graingert_> IamTrying: ^
[22:35] <graingert_> you shouldn't need to mess with exports
[22:36] <IamTrying> OK - graingert_ , what i was doing just works with any Large Screens i had lot of problems working with small screen and then going to 77" or larger screens
[22:36] <IamTrying> Then that xinput was most reliable for me
[22:37] <graingert_> yeah hence why I want to touchpads working for all users without clever hacks
[22:37] <graingert_> also how will that work with Wayland?
[22:37] <graingert_> or Mir
[22:37] <IamTrying> graingert_, what exactly are the model names? and what you want to do whats your goal?
[22:37] <graingert_> I want my touchpad to work
[22:38] <graingert_> from when I install ubuntu
[22:38] <graingert_> without me having to do anything other than a sudo apt-get upgrade
[22:38] <graingert_> unless of course something I messed with caused my settings not to migrate
[22:39] <IamTrying> graingert_, does this troll helps? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6090114/
[22:40] <IamTrying> graingert_, xinput list does your touchpad shows?
[22:40] <graingert_> I can enable scrolling with synclient
[22:40] <graingert_> obviously
[22:40] <graingert_> but that's the wrong way to do it
[22:41] <IamTrying> graingert_, its the only way it works for me, i have tried other way but failed
[22:41] <IamTrying> graingert_, when it comes to play with largest screens i had nightmares
[22:41] <graingert_> :(
[22:48] <IamTrying> pepee, It looks promising powered usb switch. I have done several crash test and still seems reliable not breaking the usb controllers to be failing yet
[22:50] <pepee> good IamTrying
[22:50] <pepee> brb
[23:01] <graingert_> found the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/1176389