[01:07] <darkxst> attente, (gnome-settings-daemon:2106): AccountsService-CRITICAL **: act_user_set_input_sources: assertion 'g_variant_is_of_type (sources, G_VARIANT_TYPE ("aa{ss}"))
[01:08] <darkxst> ^ thats seems to me like it would never have worked?
[01:12] <robru> cyphermox, Mirv, I'm seeing some error now about "ERROR Can't start lxc container" affecting almost all stacks. is this the same DNS issue we've been seeing or is this some new mess? Who can I escalate this to/
[01:19] <cyphermox> *sigh*
[01:20] <cyphermox> robru: let me check if we can poke it hard enough, otherwise we'll need to escalate to QA
[01:22] <cyphermox> robru: mount: warning: /run/otto/iso/_var_lib_lxc_saucy-i386-20130908-0916_saucy-desktop-i386.iso seems to be mounted read-only. ?
[01:24] <robru> cyphermox,  http://10.97.0.1:8080/job/autopilot-saucy-daily_release/1665/label=autopilot-intel/console but same error on many different stacks
[01:24] <robru> cyphermox, so, yeah
[01:25] <cyphermox> robru: not sure
[01:25] <cyphermox> but didrocks has seen those, I asked about it at lunch
[01:26] <cyphermox> tbh I haven't really been able to spend too much time on it, on account of being busy with mtp stuff
[01:26] <cyphermox> I wrote unit tests where I could for the library
[01:26] <robru> cyphermox, yeah, it's been a mess for a while. I keep checking on it and finding seemingly insurmountable problems.
[01:38] <cyphermox> robru: it's broken... need didrocks magic to fix it..
[01:38] <robru> figured
[01:38] <cyphermox> it's sad, though. I wish I could just fix it fast
[01:39] <jibel> robru, cyphermox it is a bug 1222407, it will be in next image
[01:39] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1222407 in linux (Ubuntu Saucy) "3.11.0-5.11 has broken aufs support (needed for docker)" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1222407
[01:39] <cyphermox> jibel: thanks
[01:39] <cyphermox> hope you're not still working on this so late :/
[01:40] <jibel> cyphermox, robru it'd be nice if you'd have a way to share issues that occurred with people who worked on it during EU time
[01:41] <cyphermox> jibel: you mean?
[01:41] <cyphermox> jibel: it's issues that were already known to EU time, AFAICT
[01:41] <jibel> cyphermox, I mean sil2100 and Mirv has been mentioning this ealier today and are aware of the failure
[01:42] <cyphermox> right
[02:37] <jbicha> Laney: how about modifying dmz-cursor-theme's priority in ubuntu-settings instead?
[03:31] <attente> darkxst, you're right, fixing now
[03:57] <Mirv> robru: cyphermox jibel: everyone was emailed about the lxc container issue
[03:58] <Mirv> around 18h ago
[03:58] <robru> Mirv, oh, ok. I must have just skimmed it
[03:58] <robru> Mirv, oh i see it, didn't say lxc in the subject ;-)
[03:59] <Mirv> robru: yeah, not in the subject, just a continuation of the autopilot threads
[04:00] <robru> Mirv, I'm excited to have jenkins working again... i have a ton of cordova stuff that needs to get fixed (eg, autopilot enabled)
[04:03] <robru> Mirv, 9PM though, g'night ;-)
[04:12] <Mirv> robru: g' night :)
[05:48] <rsalveti> Laney: hey, I pushed gstreamer, gst-base and gst-good. got a ftbfs with bad locally and ugly failed in the ppa for amd64 (stuck when running tests), so will get to this again when I'm back in the office
[06:39] <darkxst> xnox, I am hitting the ubiquity freeze in Ubuntu GNOME live session again, using 20130909/
[07:09] <darkxst> xnox, added a backtrace to Bug 1217177
[07:10] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1217177 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity freezes when run from ubuntu GNOME live session" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1217177
[07:32] <sil2100> Morning!
[08:03] <Laney> morning
[08:03] <Laney> rsalveti: how did bad fail?
[08:04] <Laney> jbicha: won't work, it's in the postinst
[08:04] <Laney> just unseed it
[08:06] <czajkowski> is anyone having issues shutting down saucy, as in you shut down but it actually restarts, no idea how to trigger it, just know it happens a few times a week but it's not easy to reproduce
[08:08] <sil2100> Mirv: hello! Do you know if jibel and the others were able to resolve the autopilot machine problems?
[08:10] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:10] <sil2100> seb128, Laney: morning!
[08:11] <Laney> ahoy there
[08:11] <seb128> hey sil2100 Laney
[08:14] <Mirv> sil2100: it does not seem like so, although there's now a new kernel in -proposed so maybe they're planning to deploy that today
[08:14] <sil2100> :<
[08:15] <sil2100> Ok, so this week is not a good week for releases it seems
[08:15] <seb128> sil2100, Mirv: we are still screwed for landings?
[08:19] <sil2100> seb128: it seems so, I suspected that the fixed kernel got already deployed, but as Mirv says it doesn't seems so
[08:20] <sil2100> I'll try to resolve as many FTBFS issues in the meantime
[08:20] <seb128> the new kernel is still in proposed
[08:24] <darkxst> seb128, hi
[08:24] <darkxst> g-s-d locking screen, ok now?
[08:30] <Laney> rsalveti: oh I see, that's a new one
[08:34] <sil2100> alex_abreu: ping!
[08:35] <sil2100> alex_abreu: I didn't get any ping with a branch for that libunity-webapps change, were you able to tackle that yesterday?
[08:35] <sil2100> alex_abreu: ah, I see robru approved that
[08:36] <seb128> hum, second day in a row where nautilus draws desktop icons
[08:36] <seb128> that went away after a session restart yesterday
[08:36] <seb128> I wonder what's going on there
[08:42] <seb128> oh
[08:42] <seb128> OH
[08:42] <Laney> ooh!
[08:42] <seb128> that's nemo, not nautilus
[08:42] <seb128> I installed it to try last week
[08:56] <Laney> slomo: Fancy a piece of http://people.canonical.com/~laney/patch-dump/0001-modplug-Specify-directory-when-including-stdafx.h.patch ?
[08:57] <Laney> bad started failing to build in Debian and Ubuntu with new modplug
[09:03] <slomo> Laney: thanks, maybe we should just drop that plugin :P
[09:03] <Laney> no idea what it does :P
[09:04] <slomo> Laney: playing music files from the amiga, etc :)
[09:05] <Laney> wow
[09:05] <Laney> http://modplug-xmms.sourceforge.net/#whatis left me none the wiser
[09:09] <slomo> Laney: merged that, will be in 1.0.11 and 1.1.5 soon :)
[09:09] <Laney> merci
[09:10] <slomo> meh, and it already fails in debian because of that so i have to upload new versions there
[09:10] <Laney> well, experimental, doesn't matter /so/ much
[09:10] <slomo> unstable fails too
[09:10] <Laney> oh :(
[09:12] <Laney> I'm including it in 1.1.4 which I'm uploading right now
[09:15] <slomo> Laney: me too ;) well, first i have to build it
[09:16] <Laney> cool
[09:18] <seb128> Laney, the split? or did you say stuff while I was on the other side?
[09:18] <Laney> seb128: didn't see a split, I have those messages off
[09:18] <Laney> was talking to sl omo
[09:19] <seb128> k
[09:20] <seb128> sil2100, cjwatson is going to get the new kernel in saucy and respin isos, hopefully that makes the lxc containers happy again
[09:21] <sil2100> seb128: yes, I saw the e-mail \o/
[09:22] <sil2100> seb128: we'll still need someone to update the iso's on the containers though, since IIRC it was done once-per-day? Or I might have mixed up something
[09:22] <seb128> sil2100, well, by the time the new iso is out, maybe people in lexington will be up (especially the jetlagged ones)
[09:23] <sil2100> ;)
[09:31] <seb128> hum
[09:31] <seb128> is anyone else having its ssh agent working unreliably since recently?
[09:31] <seb128> it sometimes work, sometime I get the command line passphrase prompt
[09:35] <Laney> yeah I feel like it's been a bit racy since user sessions
[09:35] <Laney> hasn't gotten worse recently but my session doesn't get it like 5% of the time
[09:36] <seb128> k, maybe I've just been lucky before
[09:37] <slomo> Laney: and of course it requires some changes for opencv too in experimental ;)
[09:39] <Laney> jbicha: fyi, it was your libmodplug sync that made gst-plugins-bad1.0 fail to build
[09:39] <Laney> would be a good idea to check other r-build-deps aren't broken in the same way
[09:40] <Laney> slomo: fun, I didn't get that far with the exp build ;-)
[09:41] <Laney> doesn't look like you do BD on an exp version of that though?
[09:42] <sil2100> alex_abreu, Mirv: https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/libunity-webapps/powerpc_dep/+merge/184744 <- for unblocking HUD with the new webapps
[09:59] <Mirv> sil2100: makes sense, approved
[10:00] <sil2100> Mirv: thanks! Let's have that released on the next tick, if of course we'll get the containers fixed somehow...
[10:12] <sil2100> jibel: ping!
[10:12] <sil2100> :)
[10:13] <sil2100> jibel: not sure why you're up so early, but I'm really glad you are ;)
[10:14] <sil2100> jibel: did you read the "Failed to load aufs" e-mails from today? cjwatson said to try and rebuild images with the new kernel and stuff out ASAP, but still we need to have someone fix the containers I guess
[10:15] <jibel> sil2100, Good morning
[10:15] <sil2100> jibel: morning!
[10:15] <jibel> sil2100, I just read it, the container will refresh automatically when a new image is available
[10:15] <jibel> sil2100, but I'll monitor to make sure it's fine
[10:15] <sil2100> jibel: ah! That's great to know, awesome - wonder how's it going with that, I'll probably have to ping Colin
[10:16] <sil2100> jibel: thank you
[10:17] <sil2100> jibel: what hour is it at your place right now?
[10:18] <jibel> sil2100, UTC-0400
[10:18] <jibel> 0618
[11:44] <sil2100> seb128: ok, now we have the container problem out of the way, but I see the jenkins machine is plagued by some network errors, being unable to access LP and such
[11:44] <seb128> sil2100, :/
[11:44] <seb128> endless list of issues this week
[11:45] <sil2100> It's so red everywhere... trying re-runs, but so far it doesn't seem to help much
[12:26] <alex_abreu> sil2100, you need to add the arch specific dep no?
[12:37] <alex_abreu> sil2100, ok saw the MR
[12:56] <desrt> saluton!  bonan matenon!
[13:00] <tjaalton> anyone know which gstreamer package should have basevideo now?
[13:00] <tjaalton> -bad had it
[13:00] <tjaalton> at least 1.0.7 did
[13:01] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: did you check if upstream still uses basevideo?
[13:02] <tjaalton> no
[13:03] <rsalveti> Laney: thanks for push the remaining packages
[13:03] <tjaalton> huh, removed over a year ago
[13:05] <seb128> desrt, hey
[13:05] <tjaalton> removed from -bad that is, dunno where it's supposed to be now
[13:07] <tjaalton> slomo: where is GST_BASEVIDEO these days?
[13:07] <tjaalton> slomo: gstreamer-vaapi depends on it
[13:09] <slomo> tjaalton: it does not exist anymore, it always was unstable API
[13:09] <slomo> tjaalton: get new gst-vaapi, it can use the new gstreamer 1.1 API for that
[13:09] <tjaalton> slomo: I have 0.5.6
[13:09] <tjaalton> which was released last week
[13:10] <slomo> tjaalton: --with-gstreamer-api=1.1 or something like that
[13:10] <tjaalton> I'll check if something is wrong with the repo
[13:10] <tjaalton> ahh ok
[13:10] <tjaalton> silly upstream
[13:10] <slomo> yes, they support 0.10, 1.0 (by using unstable API) and 1.1 (using only stable API) from the same codebase :)
[13:11] <tjaalton> bah :)
[13:14] <tjaalton> configure: error: unsupported GStreamer API version 1.1
[13:14] <tjaalton> ho hum
[13:17] <mlankhorst> dun dun duun
[13:17] <sil2100> alex_abreu: yes, it's in already, we'll try releasing that
[13:20] <tjaalton> i'll just ask gwenole
[13:22] <Laney> rsalveti: sure, np
[13:22] <sil2100> jibel, fginther: ping
[13:23] <fginther> sil2100, pong
[13:23] <sil2100> didrocks: as well ^ so, it seems we're having some really strange issues in the jenkins daily-release
[13:23] <didrocks> hey sil2100!
[13:23] <didrocks> network issue?
[13:24] <sil2100> Yeah, I just re-ran webapps to check if it's ok now, but it's a bit silly, since almost all stacks got red because of that
[13:24] <sil2100> And I even re-ran it some minutes ago
[13:25] <didrocks> sil2100: did you ping retoaded about those?
[13:25] <didrocks> he's next to me but we are in a meeting, just talk to him on IRC
[13:25] <sil2100> didrocks: will do, thanks!
[13:25] <didrocks> sil2100: yw! keep me posted ;)
[13:26] <didrocks> (you did see my ping about click package, right?)
[13:27] <kenvandine> fginther, can you look at https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/cupstream2distro-config/libaccounts_glib_native_hack/+merge/184776
[13:28] <sil2100> didrocks: I see that the network issue seems gone, so I'll re-run click-packages now then
[13:28] <didrocks> sil2100: wait for the ping from ralsina
[13:31] <fginther> kenvandine, approved
[13:31] <kenvandine> fginther, thx
[13:31] <kenvandine> fginther, do you need to do anything special? or can i just redeploy the stack?
[13:32] <fginther> kenvandine, I need to re-deploy the upstream job once it's merged. I'll ping you when it's done
[13:32] <kenvandine> fginther, thx!
[13:38] <fginther> kenvandine, done
[13:38] <kenvandine> fginther, thx!
[13:59] <seb128> pitti, around?
[14:05] <attente> what's the best place to ask qml-related questions?
[14:08] <seb128> attente, hey, not sure about "best" but #ubuntu-app-devel is rather appropriate, #ubuntu-touch has people who know enough about qml to answer most of the time as well
[14:09] <seb128> bah
[14:09]  * seb128 hates gir
[14:09] <attente> seb128, thanks
[14:26] <desrt> seb128: gir troubles?
[14:26] <seb128> desrt, yes
[14:27] <seb128> desrt, https://git.gnome.org/browse/libnotify/commit/?id=2b4ab4d22f42dd264a4ddfa68b02bba0d6c71b0b changed api ... I'm not sure to understand why, it seems it still list the same number of argument (but in practice not)
[14:28] <desrt> ah.  yuck.
[14:28] <desrt> let me guess: one of the arguments that was being given as None before is now removed?
[14:28] <seb128> desrt, yes
[14:28] <desrt> so remove the none :)
[14:29] <desrt> i really wish people would report poor bindings instead of working around them in obviously-incorrect ways :/
[14:29] <seb128> desrt, well, it makes code out there not work, and I'm not sure what apps include "code"
[14:29] <seb128> desrt, it's an abi change without soname change
[14:29] <desrt> seb128: that's not true.
[14:29] <seb128> but that's gir for you
[14:29] <seb128> not stability garanty
[14:29] <desrt> the ABI in the .so is exactly the same
[14:30] <desrt> you could argue that gir should have versioning though...
[14:30] <seb128> desrt, well, in practice pygobject code using that function stop working
[14:30] <seb128> and we have no way to have a list of sources to check
[14:30] <desrt> ya... same old story
[14:30] <seb128> out of grepping the archive/internet
[14:30] <desrt> i just wish that app authors would report bugs instead of using obviously-incorrectly-bound things quietly
[14:31] <seb128> well, most of them probably don't even think it's a bug in the api
[14:31] <seb128> they copy code/examples that are working and are happy with it
[14:42] <jbicha> seb128: we're going to try identifying GNOME Flashback as Unity instead of as GNOME
[14:43] <seb128> jbicha, k
[15:08] <seb128> pitti, you seem busy, I opened https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libnotify/+bug/1223401 and I would appreciate it you could comment on it when you have spare cycles
[15:08] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1223401 in libnotify (Ubuntu) "[0.7.6] the add_action api changed creating issues for clients" [High,Confirmed]
[15:08] <sil2100> didrocks, fginther, seb128: ok... so, I had a talk with retoaded, he said that it should be temporary, but hmm... it's still happening ;/
[15:08] <didrocks> sil2100: following up with him showing the new issues?
[15:09] <sil2100> didrocks, fginther, seb128: I thought all is ok because platform went through, but when I ran all the projects, again the same network issue
[15:09] <sil2100> Yes
[15:09] <sil2100> Did that
[15:09] <didrocks> thx!
[15:11] <sil2100> didrocks: still waiting for a ping from ralsina too!
[15:11] <didrocks> sil2100: oh, look at #ubuntu-touch, I uploaded the revert directly
[15:12] <sil2100> didrocks: ah, ok, so it's resolved
[15:12] <didrocks> sil2100: yeah, one less thing for you to track ;)
[15:14] <sil2100> didrocks: thanks ;)
[15:30] <seb128> hey
[15:30] <seb128> it's meeting time
[15:30] <qengho> YAY!
[15:31] <seb128> qengho, mlankhorst, Sweetshark, Laney, tkamppeter, attente, desrt, larsu: hey, it's meeting time
[15:32] <desrt> woh!  meeting!  it's been so long!
[15:32] <seb128> ;-)
[15:32] <seb128> let's get started
[15:32] <seb128> qengho, hey
[15:32] <qengho> Hey!   <<EOF
[15:32] <qengho> * Fixing a packaging problem with -l10n chromium package. [needs upload]
[15:32] <qengho> * Disabling autopkgtest failures in Cr. [needs upload]
[15:32] <qengho> * Working on a webapps problem about browser "chrome" decorations. [in progress]
[15:32] <qengho> * Search on new-tab page OR use start.ubuntu.com home. ($) [to-do]
[15:32] <qengho> EOF
[15:33] <seb128> qengho, did you see those bugs?
[15:33] <seb128> bug #1223251
[15:33] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1223251 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "recent saucy update lost its chrome" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1223251
[15:33] <seb128> bug #1222488
[15:33] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1222488 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "package chromium-browser-l10n 28.0.1500.71-0ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/chromium-browser/remoting_locales/th.pak', which is also in package chromium-browser 28.0.1500.71-0ubuntu3" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1222488
[15:34] <Laney> I guess the second one is the packaging problem referred to
[15:34] <qengho> seb128:  I got those two.  item 1 and 3.
[15:34] <seb128> doh
[15:34] <seb128> qengho, the missing chrome is a webapps issue?
[15:34] <seb128> hate those...
[15:35] <qengho> seb128: They couldn't reproduce it intially either.
[15:35] <seb128> qengho, can you get an upload ready today, chromium in saucy is currently useless (hard to use it without an url bar)
[15:35] <qengho> I think I've found the problem, though.
[15:35] <seb128> qengho, let me know if you need details, my chromium is out of order
[15:35] <seb128> qengho, thanks
[15:35] <qengho> seb128: I'll have ready by my EOD.
[15:35] <seb128> qengho, thanks
[15:35] <jbicha> qengho: could you also look at bug 1208518?
[15:35] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1208518 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "Don't have the codecs depend on chromium-browser" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1208518
[15:36] <seb128> mlankhorst, hey
[15:36] <mlankhorst> hey
[15:36] <mlankhorst> well lts-saucy mostly, pointer barrier fixups to unity and unity-2d
[15:36] <seb128> did you manage to get code working with both old and new xorg?
[15:37] <mlankhorst> some work on mir for bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/xmir/+bug/1216472 and the imagecreatekhr extension
[15:37] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1216472 in XMir "[xmir] [multimonitor] Frames eventually get slightly out of order, look like glitches or typing will feel slow" [Critical,In progress]
[15:37] <mlankhorst> seb128: yeah I pushed out the versions I have, the left panel works at least
[15:37] <seb128> great
[15:37] <mlankhorst> that's about it for me :)
[15:37] <seb128> mlankhorst, thanks
[15:37] <seb128> Sweetshark, hey
[15:37] <Sweetshark> * fixed image file import/export bug (bug 1218890)
[15:37] <Sweetshark> * fixed unity sluggish bug (bug 1204592)
[15:37] <Sweetshark> * uploaded to ppa, no complaints so far
[15:37] <Sweetshark> * waiting for upstream to tag 4.1.2~rc2, which should then land in saucy with the above fixes
[15:37] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1218890 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "eps import fails, graphics filter not found" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1218890
[15:37] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1204592 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "LibreOffice unity menus populate sluggishly the first time" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1204592
[15:37] <Sweetshark> * EOF
[15:38] <qengho> jbicha: Added to my list. That seems reasonable. Also, -l10n needn't Depend on chromium-browser, I think.  Language packages could pull it in.
[15:38] <seb128> Sweetshark, ok, let me know when 4.1.2~rc2 is ready for sponsoring
[15:38]  * Sweetshark also twisting my fingers here as somehow my cut-n-paste is terribly flaky on saucy.
[15:39] <seb128> Sweetshark, thanks
[15:39] <seb128> Laney, hey
[15:39] <Laney> hallo
[15:39] <Laney> • system-settings
[15:39] <Laney> ∘ Support (demo implementation of) setting lock/unlock method and password value
[15:39] <Laney> ∘ Implement panel searching/filtering on main screen
[15:39] <Laney> ∘ Manual setting of time & date
[15:39] <Laney> ∘ Quite a number of reviews
[15:39] <Laney> • Package & upload GStreamer 1.1.4
[15:39] <Laney> • glib update
[15:39] <Laney> • Release
[15:39] <Laney> ∘ Release engineering for Saucy Beta 1
[15:39] <Laney> ∘ Review many FFes
[15:39] <Laney> ∘ Work on 'block' script for milestones after feedback from B1
[15:39] <Laney> ! E O F !
[15:39] <ubot2`> Factoid 'E O F !' not found
[15:40] <Laney> ubot2` :(
[15:40] <Sweetshark> ubot2`: consider yourself named failbot for today
[15:40] <ubot2`> Sweetshark: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[15:41] <Sweetshark> I wouldnt.
[15:41] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[15:41] <seb128> speaking of system settings, Jason is looking at what we can drop
[15:41] <seb128> we are getting close from the end of the cycle so we should focus on making thing we have robust/completing the panels we really need, and drop other items
[15:42] <seb128> expect updates about that soon
[15:42] <Laney> sounds good
[15:42] <seb128> tkamppeter, hey
[15:42] <tkamppeter>  - Visited the IFA in Berlin
[15:42] <tkamppeter>     o Touch, Touch, Touch
[15:42] <tkamppeter>     o A lot of screens, nearly all are touch, the ones which are not touch are TVs
[15:42] <tkamppeter>     o We need to support touch screens as well as possible also with our standard desktop, not only with Ubuntu Touch
[15:42] <tkamppeter>     o Convertibles with detachable or fold-away keyboards by nearly every leading laptop maker (also all-in-one PCs which double as large tablet): We should support this
[15:42] <tkamppeter>     o 4K and 21:9 monitors: Hope X and MIR scale well
[15:42] <tkamppeter>     o Wireless connection to external screen by Intel
[15:42] <tkamppeter>     o Mobile devices (phones, tablets) with Intel Atom processors: Nice for convergence as the standard desktop runs on Intel then, and so we can use also commercial software only available for Intel
[15:42] <tkamppeter>     o 3D printer for 800 EUR (pearl.de): Good news: These printers take a standard data format which is the same for all manufacturers
[15:42] <tkamppeter>  - Bug fixes in cups, system-config-printer, ghostscript
[15:42] <tkamppeter>  - Update to system-config-printer 1.4.2.
[15:43] <tkamppeter>  - Updated touch screen/convertible Blueprint.
[15:43] <tkamppeter>  - Bugs
[15:43] <tkamppeter>  - GSoC
[15:44] <seb128> tkamppeter, thanks, agreed on touch screen support needed for desktop, it's on our list ;-)
[15:44] <seb128> attente, hey
[15:44] <attente> seb128, hi!
[15:44] <attente> not much news
[15:44] <attente> worked on the language panel settings, blocked on a couple of qml snags, trying to workaround both
[15:44] <seb128> attente, back to Canada ?
[15:44] <attente> also need to switch to using GSettings for maliit settings
[15:44] <attente> EOF
[15:44] <attente> seb128, yep, but my body isn't sure what time zone...
[15:44] <seb128> hehe
[15:44] <larsu> attente: you know about gsettings-qt, right?
[15:45] <larsu> justasking
[15:45] <seb128> attente, did they move their side to gsettings yet?
[15:45] <attente> larsu, yes
[15:45] <attente> seb128, i'm not sure, i was focused on mostly front-end stuff so far
[15:45] <attente> will ping
[15:45] <seb128> ok, thanks
[15:46] <seb128> attente, I noticed that we have similars icons in gnome-control-center for language-selector and the region panel, in saucy
[15:46] <seb128> attente, do we need other tabs the "text entry" for keyboards?
[15:47] <seb128> attente, if not we should probably add back the hack we had before, renaming the panel to "keyboard" under Unity and just showing that tab
[15:47] <attente> seb128, sorry, this is for the phone?
[15:47] <seb128> attente, no, desktop
[15:47] <seb128> attente, if you open gnome-control-center, the first line has 2 blue flag icons
[15:47] <attente> seb128, right
[15:48] <seb128> attente, in "region", we only need the "text entry" tab right?
[15:48] <seb128> attente, we used to have that http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-control-center/precise/view/head:/debian/patches/10_keyboard_layout_on_unity.patch
[15:48] <attente> seb128, you'd prefer to use the language-selector tabs instead of the region tabs?
[15:49] <attente> seb128, oh, i see
[15:49] <seb128> attente, right, since region doesn't handle language packs installation from what I know
[15:49] <attente> ok, no problem
[15:49] <seb128> attente, I'm going to open a bug with the details and assign it to you
[15:49] <seb128> attente, thanks
[15:50] <seb128> desrt, hey, welcome back! I hope you had good holidays
[15:50] <desrt> the first half was very nice :)
[15:50] <larsu> the second half was in France?
[15:50] <seb128> stop complaining about France :p
[15:50]  * desrt didn't say anything!
[15:50] <attente> haha
[15:51] <larsu> seb128: he meant because he met you in the first half ;)
[15:51] <desrt> i could have been in the middle of typing "...and the second half was even better" for all you know
[15:51] <seb128> suuure
[15:51] <desrt> anyway
[15:51] <seb128> ;-)
[15:51] <desrt> mostly dealing with a massive mail backlog since i've been back but i did get some time for useful work
[15:51] <desrt> right now i'm sorting out the mess of locale determination in glib because our behaviour is not the same as the C library, so we get weird results for (for example) translation of the contents of desktop files in some cases
[15:52] <desrt> which is work for the desktop file index stuff....
[15:52] <desrt> and also last week i managed to redo the g_file_measure_disk_usage() patch set and it got merged yesterday now
[15:52] <jbicha> darkxst has a patch for g-c-c 3.8 to install language packs; removal though isn't supported by packagekit
[15:52] <desrt> complete with progress reporting and a million other bells and whistles.... so it's now utterly unbindable
[15:53] <seb128> jbicha, great
[15:53] <seb128> desrt, when is next glib tarball due? ;-)
[15:53] <desrt> medium term: i think i'm more or less done for big things landing this cycle, so i'm getting stuff lined up for early merges next cycle
[15:53] <desrt> seb128: if you want the disk measure stuff i could do a special release for that
[15:54] <desrt> or you could just take the patches...
[15:54] <seb128> desrt, it's one commit (+1 for the utility)
[15:54] <seb128> so we can backport
[15:54] <seb128> yeah, i'm going to do that I think
[15:54] <desrt> ya... gvfs support is still outstanding
[15:54] <desrt> it's kinda tough to do it now that we have a progress reporting API
[15:54] <desrt> since now we need to wire that back across dbus to the caller
[15:54] <desrt> will have to chat with alex about this
[15:55] <desrt> you only wanted it for stuff in the homedir anyway, right?
[15:55] <seb128> yes
[15:55]  * sil2100 misses the good old times when all stacks were green
[15:55] <seb128> only for xdg dirs
[15:55] <desrt> k.  no problems then
[15:55] <desrt> eof
[15:56] <seb128> great
[15:56] <seb128> desrt, thanks ;-)
[15:56] <seb128> larsu, hey
[15:56] <larsu> hey!
[15:56] <larsu> - added scrolling and middle click support to the new indicators; made use of it in indicator-sound; documented it on wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemComponents
[15:56] <larsu> - fixed hardware volume key handling in unity8 (not merged yet)
[15:56] <larsu> - gicon deprecation: grepped for gicon in all core apps (facebook-app was the only one I found, fix is merged); we now print a warning when image://gicon is used; I want to remove it middle of next week, before the freeze
[15:56] <larsu> - bug fixes on i-messages (icons, multiarch, a mem leak) and qmenumodel
[15:56] <larsu> - went through my assigned bugs and cleaned them up a little
[15:56] <larsu> - started work on a phone profile for indicator-sound (to make it look like its designed)
[15:56] <larsu> eof
[15:56]  * larsu is in bug fixing mode
[15:56] <seb128> \o/
[15:57] <seb128> larsu, thanks
[15:57] <seb128> ok, my turn
[15:57] <seb128> setting work for most of the week
[15:57] <seb128> - ported code to the new itemselector/optionselector widgets
[15:57] <seb128> - some UI tweaks
[15:57] <seb128> - added support for click packages
[15:58] <seb128> - added support to reset the unity launcher
[15:58] <seb128> - some bug fixing
[15:58] <seb128> otherwise some desktop upgrades (including gtk 3.8.4)
[15:58] <seb128> some bugs fixing
[15:59] <seb128> oh and trying to build a listmodel from qt to expose to qml, no fun so far :/
[15:59] <seb128> some sponsoring as well
[15:59] <seb128> and I think that's it for the week
[15:59] <seb128> oh, and I'm probably going to be on holidays next week
[15:59] <seb128> starting thursday this week
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[16:00] <mlankhorst> enjoy
[16:00] <seb128> thanks!
[16:00] <Laney> you could look at the timezone location model stuff
[16:00] <desrt> seb128: any updates on the sprint?
[16:00] <Laney> that does a qabstracttablemodel
[16:00] <seb128> desrt, confirmed for oct28th to nov1st in Oakland
[16:00] <desrt> score
[16:00] <seb128> ;-)
[16:01] <seb128> Laney, thanks, I tried to use QQmlListProperty without real luck so far
[16:01] <Laney> mmm kincaid's
[16:01] <desrt> seb128: maybe send an email around?
[16:01] <kenvandine> mmm kincaids
[16:01] <seb128> desrt, for the sprint confirmation?
[16:01] <desrt> ya
[16:01] <desrt> did i miss it?
[16:01] <Laney> I'm off Fri and Mon too btw
[16:02] <seb128> desrt, I think msm is going to do that
[16:02] <desrt> k
[16:02] <seb128> desrt, no, it just got decided, they are still making the list of people invited I think
[16:02] <seb128> desrt, it's team + some extra people around indicators/settings since we are going to focus on those topics
[16:02] <desrt> so larsu is invited twice? :)
[16:02] <seb128> yeah :p
[16:03] <seb128> ok, that's it for the first half of the meeting
[16:03] <seb128> thanks everyone
[16:03] <seb128> sil2100, didrocks: your turn
[16:03] <sil2100> o/
[16:03] <Mirv> o/
[16:03] <seb128> sil2100, Mirv: could any of you tell me what's the DSN issue? cf #ubuntu-touch
[16:03] <seb128> is that resolving api.lp.net?
[16:04] <seb128> sil2100, didrocks, so who is leading your half of the meeting?
[16:06] <sil2100> I hoped that didrocks will be able, but I guess with him being in meetings and such, I can lead it once again
[16:06] <sil2100> didrocks, Mirv, kenvandine, cyphermox, robru: hi everyone! All present?
[16:06] <seb128> didrocks, put your beer on the side for a bit and try to pretend working :p
[16:06]  * robru wipes sleep from eyes
[16:06] <sil2100> (not entirely counting didrocks as he might be 'busy')
[16:06]  * kenvandine waves
[16:07] <Mirv> from my side the sheet is uptodate
[16:07] <sil2100> Ok, awesome, so let's start of with a quick status update
[16:07] <sil2100> Mirv waved first, so let's start with him!
[16:08] <Mirv> so big good news is separation of Qt Creator plugins from QtC itself - QtC source is again about pure upstream, and has now hacked together -dev package against which plugins can be compiled
[16:08] <Laney>  oh hey, that is nice
[16:08] <sil2100> Oh, nice!
[16:08] <Mirv> so it results in faster and easier updates, plus removal of the messup in the ways SDK team worked vs. how archive wanted the updates
[16:09] <sil2100> Are the plugins provided already somewhere in a separate package?
[16:09] <Mirv> yep, lp:qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu - could be daiy released if SDK team would eventually have a good set of tests to run
[16:09] <Mirv> (it's already in config with daily release disabled, and does autolanding to SDK PPA)
[16:09] <sil2100> Love this news, good job!
[16:09] <robru> wow, nice
[16:10] <Mirv> the big bad news is that there are new crashers found with Qt 5.1.1, but at least bugs filed about those too by Ricardo
[16:10] <sil2100> Ouch, Mirv are those big blocker issues?
[16:10] <Mirv> I've tried now rebuilding a bunch of Unity8 deps (webbrowser crashes went away with rebuild), but so far no luck. I'm also trying building 5.1.0 again to see if the crashes happen there too
[16:10] <Mirv> sil2100: certainly, and the problem is that the backtraces show it happening "somewhere inside Qt", so apparently not easy to debug
[16:11] <Mirv> they're now also at https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.tag=qt5.1
[16:11] <Mirv> otherwise that's it for me I think, the Click backporting needs some more care (even though raring is now tested and updated), working on QtC 2.8 with SDK team and some other smaller stuff
[16:11] <sil2100> Ok, good to know the exact tag-name then
[16:12] <sil2100> Awesome, thanks!
[16:12] <sil2100> robru: could you go next? As you were the next one rubbing the eyes ;)
[16:13] <robru> ok, so very bad week for me. I was slogging through cordova MIR/FFe/nightmare and was just plagued with problems every step of the way. somehow managed to get one daily_release build to happen for it, so it should be appearing in universe now, somehow miraculously despite constant DNS problems blocking 90% of the stacks.
[16:14] <sil2100> robru: right... sadly, DNS/container problems are the big BIG blockers this week
[16:14] <sil2100> Not sure what happened that all hell went loose this week - we had those issues from time to time but not so reproducible as now
[16:14] <robru> sil2100, other than that, friends is totally stalled due to requiring a massive re-architecting effort for which the requirements are currently unknown. I'm still attempting to communicate with other teams to figure out the requirements before I begin redesigning it from scratch.
[16:15] <sil2100> Oh, a re-design in architecture? Is that still for 13.10 ?
[16:16] <sil2100> Just hope you guys will make it on time!
[16:16] <robru> sil2100, oh god no. 13.10 gets what we have as-is
[16:16] <sil2100> Ah, phew
[16:16] <sil2100> robru: ok, anyway remember that if you want to work on friends for T, we need to diverge the branches so that Saucy is as it is - but there's a branch waiting for landing for that
[16:17] <sil2100> Let's talk about that after the meeting
[16:17] <robru> sil2100, before 14.04 friends needs to a) not be written in python and b) not be constantly polling social networks. so I'm talking with push dev guys about what this is going to look like but i don't even know yet
[16:17] <sil2100> There's still some time, but I guess it's still a bit stressful if a full re-design is needed indeed
[16:17] <robru> sil2100, yeah, i know about this, did the same thing last cycle already. there's already a trunk-next branch that just needs to be updated.
[16:18] <sil2100> Awesome!
[16:18] <sil2100> Ok then, let's move on. kenvandine!
[16:18]  * kenvandine waves
[16:19] <sil2100> kenvandine: what's up ;)? Still content-hub as no 1 priority?
[16:19] <kenvandine> mostly just working on content-hub... lots to do before 13.10
[16:20] <sil2100> kenvandine: awww
[16:20] <sil2100> kenvandine: so still just that on the plate, right?
[16:21] <kenvandine> yeah
[16:21] <sil2100> Ok, thanks ;) Sounds fair!
[16:21] <kenvandine> we're going to need to get stuff published :)
[16:21] <sil2100> cyphermox: ping! Are you around for a status update?
[16:21] <sil2100> kenvandine: yeah... I think EVERYONE needs to release something
[16:22] <sil2100> I'm a bit worried that now once we get the technical issues resolved, once we release everything we'll notice that all is broken anyway
[16:22]  * sil2100 doesn't like to accumulate lots of changes
[16:22] <sil2100> cyphermox: hm?
[16:23] <cyphermox> nothing to update
[16:23] <kenvandine> sil2100, yeah... and i have a ton queued up for content-hub... but that shouldn't break other things... yet ;)
[16:23] <cyphermox> busy with MTP
[16:24] <cyphermox> I'm at the sprint this week
[16:24] <sil2100> cyphermox: ACK
[16:24] <sil2100> Good to know that
[16:24] <sil2100> Ok, as for me:
[16:25] <sil2100> As you all know, we're in manual publishing mode right now, but there's actually no publishing going at all due to the issues
[16:25] <sil2100> But I'll be manually poking stacks for release until we get them building correctly
[16:26] <sil2100> I also started doing the creation of the Saucy series in cu2d-config, the branch is ready and has been pre-reviewed by Francis
[16:26] <sil2100> Once I get a final ACK I'll be continuing with the process, such as redeployment and such
[16:27] <sil2100> Besides that, I also worked a bit on the appmenu-qt5 QPA thing that we need for Qt 5.1, I created a working solution that I need to give to someone from our Qt-experts for a review, as the solution might look a bit 'risky'
[16:27] <sil2100> But it works
[16:28] <sil2100> Not sure if there's anything else.. so let's quickly move to the spreadsheet
[16:28] <sil2100> Just browsing through and I'll poke you guys about some status updates if it's needed
[16:29] <sil2100> Mirv: about the XIM SRU, I'm poking infinity every few days about this, so I hope soon we'll have it released
[16:30] <sil2100> Regarding lp:unity-voice that has been assigned to robru and me
[16:30] <sil2100> robru: so, I finished up the review of that, but it seems we're not adding that to daily release, as it's only a 'just-in-case' package, not to be used right now
[16:31] <sil2100> Everything else I think is pretty clear
[16:31] <robru> ok
[16:31] <sil2100> cyphermox, kenvandine, robru, Mirv: just in case you know:
[16:31] <Mirv> sil2100: alright
[16:32] <sil2100> cyphermox, kenvandine, robru, Mirv: so, please do not hastily publish the platform and unity8 stacks, as there are some changes in it that require specific actions (testing) before we can get it out
[16:32] <kenvandine> noted
[16:32] <robru> platform and unity8. got it.
[16:32] <sil2100> And of course, before we want to publish anything, be sure to ask asac or didrocks first (especially asac if he's around)
[16:33] <sil2100> Ok, I think that's all - thanks for the updates guys, keep up the good work!
[16:33] <robru> sil2100, thanks
[16:33] <Mirv> thanks!
[16:33] <sil2100> It was awesome to have you on the meeting ;) I hope next week will be a more 'normal' meeting with didrocks around and such ;)
[16:34] <sil2100> I go to start manually all those stacks ;/
[16:34] <didrocks> will be there for sure :)
[16:34] <didrocks> jet lagged, but there
[16:34] <sil2100> \o/
[16:34] <sil2100> Man, never saw the stacks SO RED
[17:25] <sil2100> fginther: hi! Related to the CI question I had - do you know if mediumtests use daily-build as well? How do those jobs work?
[17:39] <fginther> sil2100, mediumtests use the same build process as the -ci or -autolanding job
[17:57] <jibel> qengho, Hey, I look at autopkgtest for chromium-browser and it essentially only build the package and run the tests that already run at build time. I think they could be removed as they never passed and only slow down the migration of chromium. What do you think?
[17:58] <qengho> jibel: Build tests aren't run by autopkgtest at all.
[17:59] <jibel> qengho, well autopkgtest tries to build the package
[17:59] <jibel> there is a build-needed restriction
[18:00] <qengho> jibel: I don't need the build files right now, true.  I'll kill that for now.
[18:00] <jibel> qengho, thanks
[19:18] <seb128> pitti, there?
[19:18] <pitti> seb128: oui
[19:18] <seb128> pitti, I hope you are having fun in Lexington!
[19:19] <seb128> pitti, question for you
[19:19] <seb128> $ dpkg -S ubuntuone-client.mo
[19:19] <seb128> dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern *ubuntuone-client.mo*
[19:19] <pitti> seb128: yeah, I do
[19:19] <seb128> pitti, where do I report that? langpack-o-matic?
[19:19] <seb128> pitti, it makes the indicator-sync untranslated
[19:20] <pitti> seb128: yeah, bug against langpack sounds fine as a starting point
[19:20] <seb128> pitti, danke
[19:21] <pitti> WARNING: unknown translation domain: ubuntuone-client-gnome
[19:21] <pitti> no log entry at all for ubuntuone-client
[19:21] <seb128> pitti, weird, https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/saucy/+source/ubuntuone-client/+pots/ubuntuone-client
[19:22] <seb128> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/147396791/buildlog_ubuntu-saucy-i386.ubuntuone-client_13.08-0ubuntu2_UPLOADING.txt.gz suggests the build generated the pot as well
[19:23] <pitti> the quantal and raring packs have them
[19:24] <seb128> pitti, https://bugs.launchpad.net/langpack-o-matic/+bug/1223530
[19:24] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1223530 in langpack-o-matic "ubuntuone-client translations missing for langpacks in saucy" [Undecided,New]
[19:40] <pitti> seb128: it's in the tarballs, so it's indeed on the langpack-o-matic side
[19:41] <seb128> pitti, do we have any log from that side?
[19:41] <pitti> seb128: I suppose it gets categorized as "kde", and not put into the generic langpack
[19:41] <pitti> seb128: meeting now, will look later
[19:42] <seb128> pitti, no hurry, thanks! and good meeting ;-)
[19:54] <qengho> jibel: of that SIGABRT on chromium, were you intending to run autopkgtest at the same time? I'm trying to piece details together.
[19:56] <jibel> qengho, yes, I was running steps from smoke-actual to understand why it failed
[20:27] <pitti> seb128: I hope that with the change I put in tomorrow's langpack updates should get it
[20:27] <pitti> seb128: if not, I need to debug more in-depth
[20:29] <seb128> pitti, thanks, let's see