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loolheyo13:01
* stgraber waves13:01
loolstgraber, barry, ogra_: Around?13:01
* barry waves13:01
* ogra_ moos13:01
loolso let's perhaps start with a quick status?13:02
loolgood news is that the system-images are now formally official  :-)13:03
barry\o/13:03
looland the recommended images, except if you run into SDK bugs13:03
loolstgraber blogged this, mailed ubuntu-phone and this got decently G+-ed, so I think the news is out13:03
loolI had some back and forth with community team to try to get the words passed to larger circles, but I guess we're covered for now13:04
loolstgraber: you want to update us on the channel aliases work and importer work you have been doing?13:04
stgrabersure13:04
stgraberso over the past couple of work days I've implemented the new channels.json format to allow the flexiblity needed for channel aliases and hidden channels13:05
stgraberbarry implemented the client side of that in 1.5 which landed on Friday13:05
stgraber(I still need to update the wiki, will do that today)13:05
stgraberthen after that, I've been working on adding the code needed for the channel aliasing13:05
barry(technically sunday with 1.5.1 which fixed a test failure on 32 bit ;)13:06
stgraberI finished that yesterday with all the tests passing and 100% code coverage13:06
stgrabernext up is moving the existing cleanup script to the python module and have tests for that13:06
stgraberand once I'm done with that, implement the new channel management tool (not so much a cdimage importer anymore)13:06
stgraberthat last one will probably take me at least a couple of days because of how complex it can get and how long test runs take13:07
loolok; thanks13:07
stgraberbut I'm hopeful that we'll be able to transition to it by end of week (that's assuming we can get an image with 1.5.1 promoted today, otherwise we'll need to wait a bit longer for people to get the new client)13:07
loolbarry: so you've worked on client updates; what are the latest news?13:07
barrythe new version numbering support landed.  re-started work on d/l service integration, but that was put on hold to get the new channels.json format supported.  both of those features have landed.  i'll be getting back to d/l service integration today13:09
barryeot13:09
loolcool13:10
loollooking at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-1308-os-updates13:10
loolrepartitioning is still WIP/future13:11
loolthe rest should be targeted at 13.10, channel aliases, upgrade boot scripts, download service13:11
loolswitching to android.deb to get android bits13:11
loolthere are a couple of issues with the current images13:11
loolwe fixed some over Friday / the week end13:12
loolbut there might be more13:12
loolthere are two bad cases of people currently disable system-image that we need to help resolve13:12
loolone is QA tests that are currently switching to rw to run the tests13:12
loolthe other is SDK team (apt-get install openssh and qdeclarative packages and g++)13:13
ogra_FYI, here at the QA sprint people are working on fixing the fact that we dont actually do ro testing13:13
loologra_: cool13:13
ogra_i hope that is fixed by end of the week13:13
loolstgraber: I guess you might get queries from QA team / SDK team as they discover things in the image that ought to be rw13:13
ogra_right13:13
ogra_thats also one big topic here this week13:13
ogra_inpescting the image and finding all missing rw dirs13:14
loolI know there is sadly noone with time to work on fixing the SDK use cases right now13:14
ogra_*inspecting13:14
loolhigher priority projects underway13:14
loologra_: ok13:14
ogra_lool, my task for today is getting sshd to work for the SDK13:14
stgraberlool: yep, that's fine, updating lxc-android-config is pretty quick so long as it's either a single file that usually doesn't change outside of user's control or an empty directory.13:14
loologra_: if folks there don't know how to fix it, let stgraber or me know13:14
ogra_that should get us a step forward13:14
ogra_yeah13:14
loologra_: cool13:14
stgraberif it's something else, it usually requires some more thinking (which is why I like being the gate keeper for that :))13:14
loologra_: so you will likely need a new rw path13:14
loologra_: I'm expecting we will ship a openssh-server.override upstart job which disables it on startup and some sudo script will reenable it if people enable developer mode13:15
loologra_: you'll need this openssh-server.override file to be rw13:15
stgraberogra_: my guess for sshd is that we want it installed by default, with a .override saying manual and the override file and all the host keys marked writable with migration enabled13:15
ogra_well, lets see :)13:15
loolstgraber: migration?13:16
ogra_i dont really want us to re-write conffiles13:16
loologra_: wouldn't be a conffile?13:16
ogra_its in /etc/init/13:16
loolyes?13:16
ogra_i'll rather make it read some variable from somewhere else in the override job13:16
loologra_: I think this is similar to e.g. changing your timezone13:17
stgrabersure, that works too13:17
barryi guess we can't just make sshd start on boot for everyone eh? ;)13:17
loolI think this is too slow13:17
loolnotably key generation on first start13:17
lool/!\ make sure we don't ship the same host keys to everyone   :-)13:17
stgraberthe trick will be to get ssh to agree to generate new keys to empty files instead of missing fils13:17
stgraber*files13:17
ogra_lool, indeed13:17
stgraberbecause we can't mark all of /etc/ssh writable due to the other config files in there, so we need to mark the individual key files as writable13:18
loolright; not easy to trick sshd in installing the keys properly once generated13:19
lool(similar to sed -i issue in qa-regression-testing)13:19
loolok13:19
loologra_: did you have updates on images that you wanted to share?13:19
loolotherwise, I am happy to open the floor to AOB13:20
ogra_lool, nothing special, nope13:20
ogra_(apart from the ro tests and ssh)13:20
loolwere there specific things that you folks want to discuss today outside of things we covered above?13:20
loolI'd like to make this meeting biweekly13:20
stgraberI think we'll need the rootfs build to create empty key files in /etc/ssh/, then have code doing the ssh-keygen to the writable target (/userdata/system-data/etc/ssh/) on the device after removing the empty files in there. Once done, reboot and it should be all good.13:20
loolstgraber: sounds good13:21
barrybiweekly sounds good13:21
stgraberogra_: anyway, let me know what you come up with so I can quickly confirm there shouldn't be problems with that in the future13:21
stgraberI'm fine with biweekly too13:21
stgraberI won't be there next week anyway (Plumbers)13:21
loologra_: I'd like us to get updates on the QA efforts in some way; what's the best way?13:22
loolwould folks at the sprint grab us on #ubuntu-touch?>13:22
loolthere was a weekly hangout, but it got cancelled13:22
ogra_well, i'm mainly sitting with my team in a separate room, i guess asac participates a lot more in the cross team meetings13:22
loologra_: who should we ask?  paul larson and doanac?13:23
loolI guess we can ping them in a couple of days13:23
loolif we dont hear any queries  :-)13:23
loolok; I guess that's it for today then!13:23
loolhave a good end of day everyone13:23
* lool waves13:24
ogra_you too :)13:24
barrycheers!13:24
ogra_lool, heh ... i just noticed your claendar invitation says "Bieekly upgrader ...."13:27
loologra_: fixed thanks13:53
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smoserroaksoax, ping16:03
hallyn_i think arosales will be stepping up today16:03
arosalesroaksoax, isn't able to chair this seek16:04
arosalessorry smoser ^16:04
arosaleshallyn_, were you interested in chairing16:04
smoseri can do it.16:04
smoser#startmeeting16:04
hallyn_arosales: i just did last week :)  don't have stuff ready, but can in 2 mins if it's not convenient for you16:04
hallyn_k16:04
smoser#startmeeting ubuntu-server-team16:05
arosalesI can cover16:05
hallyn_hm?  not working?16:05
arosalesor it looks like smoser16:05
smoserwell, no bot i think16:05
smosermeetingology seems gone.16:06
arosalessmoser, should we just proceed with out it?16:07
smosergive 3 minutes.16:07
smoser12:10. then go on without.16:08
smosertrying to find it.16:08
smoserk.16:10
smoser12:10. i'll start16:10
smoser#startmeeting ubuntu-server-team16:10
smoser#topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting16:10
smoser * everyone spend extra time triaging bugs this week16:10
smoseri think i saw hallyn do that, but i'm not sure of anyone else, and I know i was delinquent.16:10
hallyn_wellt he list is still long enough that we could use another week of it16:11
smoserreguarding Meetingology, i pinged AlanBell just now as the contact per16:11
hallyn_i may dedicate tomorrow to it16:11
smoserhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots16:11
smoserok. so we'll push that again.16:11
smoser#action  everyone spend extra time triaging bugs this week16:11
smosertopic Saucy Development16:11
smoser#topic Saucy Development16:11
smoserhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseSchedule16:11
smoserWe just passed Beta 1.  So we're moving towards a release some time.16:12
smoserutlemming cut beta-1 cloud images for us.  and we have daily images of those of course.16:12
smoser#topic ReleaseBugs16:12
smoserbug 1221906 seems like adam_g is on it.16:13
ubottubug 1221906 in horizon (Ubuntu Saucy) "Havana-3 Dependency missing: python-troveclient" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122190616:13
smoserbug 1208455.16:13
ubottubug 1208455 in linux (Ubuntu Saucy) "general protection fault running apt-get inside double nested kvm VM" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120845516:13
smosersmb did you make any progress there ?16:13
smbA bit16:13
AlanBellhi smoser16:14
smbGot a rough bisection done. Which leads to some rework of nested VMX code16:14
smoserhey, AlanBell . we're missing your bot. :)16:14
smbBut I think I need some upstream help to dig deeper16:14
smosersmb, ok. thanks.16:14
smoserbug 121391516:14
ubottubug 1213915 in ceph (Ubuntu Saucy) "Please demote ceph-mds and ceph-fs-common to universe" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121391516:14
smoserhm.. i'll leave that on jamespage. to push on a archive admin.16:15
smoserbug 120687216:15
ubottubug 1206872 in samba (Ubuntu Saucy) "samba fails to unpack (behavior change in patch) and ftbfs on aarch64" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120687216:15
smoserthat looks like incomplete at the moment... that should probably get off this list.16:17
smoserbug 115693216:17
ubottubug 1156932 in python-novaclient (Ubuntu Saucy) "User can't modify security-group-rule via nova-api if there are duplicated security group name" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/115693216:17
smoserhm.. that seems languishing. wonder if still relevant.16:18
smoserbug 119979116:18
ubottubug 1199791 in nova (Ubuntu Saucy) "nova-compute-xcp misses nova-compute.conf" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/119979116:18
smoserbug 1170393 and bug 1222180 show fix-committed16:18
ubottubug 1170393 in neutron (Ubuntu Saucy) "Quantum services should be respawned by upstart if necessary" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117039316:18
ubottubug 1222180 in postfix (Ubuntu Saucy) "postfix package produces errors in ubuntu-bug" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122218016:18
smoserbug 1188069, mdeslaur should we not have fixed that in saucy?16:20
ubottubug 1188069 in apache2 (Ubuntu Saucy) "apache2 mod_rewrite CVE 2013-1862" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/118806916:20
smoserok. so i think we should probably do something to some of those bugs so that they're not on this list.16:20
smoserbug 1206872 and bug 1156932 seem not really relevant.16:21
ubottubug 1206872 in samba (Ubuntu Saucy) "samba fails to unpack (behavior change in patch) and ftbfs on aarch64" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120687216:21
ubottubug 1156932 in python-novaclient (Ubuntu Saucy) "User can't modify security-group-rule via nova-api if there are duplicated security group name" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/115693216:21
smoserso moving on.16:21
smoser#topic blueprints16:21
smoserhttp://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-s/group/topic-s-servercloud-overview.html16:21
smoserwell, that clearly shows we have a lot of work to do :)16:22
smoserplease just take some time and get your pblueprints into order.16:22
smoseri still have plenty of work to do. i fthere are things that you're not going to get to, consider postpone.16:23
smosertopic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (plars)16:23
smoser#topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (plars)16:23
smoserplars,  ?16:23
plarssmoser: you still have my name on this? :) but nothing this week, psivaa and I are both at a sprint16:23
smosershould your name not be here ?16:24
psivaait would help to change it to mine16:24
smoserok.16:24
smosercan-do16:24
psivaathanks16:24
smoser#topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)16:24
smbXen-4.3 has been uploaded (but needs to be NEWed), thanks zul. Otherwise nothing to report. Any questions?16:24
plarssmoser: I moved this to psivaa a while back, but we might ought to check if it should go to someone on the qa team or to him still16:24
smoserplars, updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting16:25
smosersmb i dont have anything.16:25
smoserprobably noteworth to many here.. bug 1206961 is now 'fix-released'16:25
smosereverywhere.16:25
ubottubug 1206961 in linux (Ubuntu Saucy) "Include rbd and kvm modules in the virtual package" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120696116:25
smoserwhich means if nested virt is available, you'll get it in a cloud image without having to reach for linux-image-extra-virtual.16:26
smoser#topic Weekly Updates & Questions regarding Ubuntu ARM Server (rbasak)16:26
hallyn_(which means more ppl will hit the other bug)16:26
rbasakNothing new to report. Any questions for me?16:26
smoserhallyn_, whats the other bug ?16:27
hallyn_nested kvm on intel failing in saucy16:27
smoserah. yeah.16:27
hallyn_(more ppl hitting it => good thing)16:27
smoser#topic Ubuntu Server Team Events16:27
smoserI think LinuxCon and CloudOpen are both next week.16:27
smoserttx told me he was going.16:28
smoseranyone have anythign else?16:28
smoser#topic Open Discussion16:28
smoseri dont hae much here. just that we're really in crunch time in the cycle.16:28
smoserpleae file bugs and subscribe or assign people for work you know needs to be done.16:28
smoser#topic Announce next meeting date and time16:29
smosernext meeting will be Tuesday Sep 17 at 16:00 UTC16:30
smoser#endmeeting16:30
hallyn_thx smoser16:30
arosalessmoser, thanks for chairing ubuntu server meeting16:38
mdeslaursmoser: re: 1188069: saucy isn't affected. Updated bug. Thanks.16:39
jsalisbury#startmeeting17:00
jsalisbury##17:00
jsalisbury## This is the Ubuntu Kernel Team weekly status meeting.17:00
jsalisbury##17:00
jsalisbury[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting17:00
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jsalisbury[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Saucy17:00
jsalisbury# Meeting Etiquette17:00
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jsalisbury# NOTE: '..' indicates that you are finished with your input.17:00
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jsalisburyRoll Call for Ubuntu Kernel Weekly Status Meeting17:00
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jsalisbury[TOPIC] ARM Status (ppisati)17:01
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ppisatiFixes for Calxeda's NIC and Omap4 mmc landed in S/master-next, and patches17:01
ppisatito handle the DTB concatenation and the generic-lpae kernel flavour were17:01
ppisatisubmitted to the flash-kernel mantainer.17:01
ppisatiIn the mean time, while testing the Calxeda kernel a new panic crop up and17:01
ppisatiinvestigation is ongoingi (no LP bug was filled yet since we are still ruling out17:01
ppisatithe hardware).17:01
ppisati..17:01
jsalisbury[TOPIC] Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs (jsalisbury)17:01
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jsalisburyRelease metrics and incoming bug data can be reviewed at the following link:17:01
jsalisbury[LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kt-meeting.txt17:01
jsalisbury..17:01
jsalisbury[TOPIC] Milestone Targeted Work Items (ogasawara)17:02
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jsalisbury[LINK] https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-distro-team/+upcomingwork17:02
jsalisbury[LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-s/canonical-kernel-distro-team.html17:02
jsalisbury|| apw       || foundations-1305-arm64-bringup     || 2 work items ||17:02
jsalisbury|| bjf       || foundations-1308-kernel            || 1 work item  ||17:02
jsalisbury|| cking     || foundations-1308-power-measurement || 1 work item  ||17:02
jsalisbury|| ogasawara || foundations-1308-kernel            || 1 work item  ||17:02
jsalisbury|| ppisati   || foundations-1305-kernel            || 1 work item  ||17:02
jsalisbury|| smb       || servercloud-s-virtstack            || 1 work item  ||17:02
jsalisbury||           || servercloud-s-openstack-hypervisor || 1 work item  ||17:02
jsalisburyNote: Some of the WI's listed in the table above don't show up in any of17:02
jsalisburythe tracking pages due to the BP's needing to get properly assigned to a17:02
jsalisburyseries (ie Saucy).  I'll try to get this sorted with the BP owners.17:02
jsalisbury..17:02
jsalisbury[TOPIC] Status: Saucy Development Kernel (ogasawara)17:02
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jsalisburyAs noted last week, v3.11 final has been released and we have already17:03
jsalisburyrebased.  We have uploaded this to the Saucy archive and it should be17:03
jsalisburyavailable for testing.  Please let us know your results.  We will17:03
jsalisburycontinue to track the upstream stable v3.11.x releases as we move17:03
jsalisburyforward.17:03
jsalisbury-----17:03
jsalisburyImportant upcoming dates:17:03
jsalisbury[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseSchedule17:03
jsalisburyThurs Sep 19 - Final Beta Freeze (~1 week away)17:03
jsalisburyThurs Sep 26 - Final Beta (~2 weeks away)17:03
jsalisburyThurs Oct 03 - Kernel Freeze (~3 weeks away)17:03
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jsalisbury[TOPIC] Status: CVE's17:03
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jsalisbury== 2013-09-10 ==17:03
jsalisburyThe current CVE status can be reviewed at the following link:17:03
jsalisburyhttp://people.canonical.com/~kernel/cve/pkg/ALL-linux.html17:03
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jsalisbury[TOPIC] Status: Stable, Security, and Bugfix Kernel Updates - Raring/Quantal/Precise/Lucid (bjf/henrix/sconklin)17:04
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bjfStatus for the main kernels, until today (Sept. 10):17:04
bjf  *   Lucid - Skipping this cycle17:04
bjf  * Precise - Prep'ing Packages17:04
bjf  * Quantal - Prep'ing Packages17:04
bjf  * Raring  - Prep'ing Packages17:04
bjfCurrent opened tracking bugs details:17:04
bjf  * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kernel-sru-workflow.html17:04
bjfFor SRUs, SRU report is a good source of information:17:04
bjf  * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/sru-report.html17:04
bjf..17:04
jsalisbury[TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions? Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)17:04
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jsalisburyThanks everyone17:04
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