[07:25] <DJones> Morning
[07:27] <dwatkins> allo
[07:27] <dwatkins> I just discovered http://www.datasheetarchive.com/ - I can see this is going to be extremely useful
[07:31] <MartijnVdS> *bookmark*
[07:47] <dwatkins> I never expected a promoted link on Twitter to actually be useful.
[07:54] <popey> http://www.jmedved.com/usbamps/ want
[08:19] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:21] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Swap Ideas Day! :-D
[08:26] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[08:30] <MrFukinMoo> Morning andy , how are you doing , im up in glasgow and can do the night train service for weekly based commuting , what kind of coding are you after ?
[08:35] <DJones> I wonder whether that was the wrong channel
[08:36] <AlanBell> in response to andylockran yesterday I think
[08:37] <DJones> Ah
[09:25] <bigcalm> AlanBell: thanks for the card :)
[09:26]  * bigcalm tickles popey
[09:28]  * popey tickles bigcalm 
[09:32] <MartijnVdS> http://www.tikkels.nl/smaken.html ?
[09:57] <blazemore> Is this a social channel?
[09:58] <DGJones> Fairly social :)
[09:59] <DGJones> Most things get talked about/discussed as long as they're not too far away from reasonable discussion
[10:00] <brobostigon> and reasonable discussion includes talking about beer and curry, :)
[10:00] <Laney> we are a social channel for social people
[10:01] <DGJones> Just don't mention the war
[10:03] <DGJones> Have to say that IRC has been quiet this morning
[10:03] <directhex> we'll have no trouble here
[10:06] <SuperMatt> twelvty!
[10:25] <dwatkins> one!!!!11111!!!
[10:25] <MartijnVdS> !!1eleventyone!!!1
[10:26] <bigcalm> One-one was a horse. One-two was one too. One-one won one race. One-two won one too
[10:27] <DGJones> I'd forgotten today was the #ubuntu-uk bingo game
[11:00] <MartijnVdS> Ooh, a new Computerphile video!
[11:00] <mgdm> I don't know what that is, but I don't think I'm going to watch any video today that isn't the new Arcade Fire track
[11:01] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sskbSvha9M
[11:01] <mgdm> I think it's on for the 3rd time this morning
[11:41] <mungbean> remember that floating wizard thig from teh dungeons and dragons cartoon? i just aciidentally made his hat out of blue tac without noticing
[11:43] <mungbean> or was it another cartoon? some floating black wizard hat?
[11:45] <ali1234> he-man
[11:45] <ali1234> http://images.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/He-Man-Masters-of-the-Universe-he-man-604198_393_616.jpg
[11:46] <mungbean>  orko
[11:46] <mungbean> thats him \p/
[11:49] <ali1234> i don't believe this is a coincidence either http://www.ffcompendium.com/misc/9-orkoandvivi-o.jpg
[11:51] <mungbean> hmm
[11:57] <popey> anyone want a tizen dev phone? https://developer.tizen.org/support/development-unit-program/available-development-units
[11:57] <popey> "These are not phones, and cannot connect to a GSM network."
[11:58] <MartijnVdS> So.. 3G only? :P
[12:00] <directhex> tizen on phones is a waste of your time.
[12:00] <popey> Oh dear. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-24028902
[12:01] <mungbean> any closer pics of the letterbox?
[12:01] <mungbean> i mean "letterbox"
[12:03] <popey> unsurprising self-promotion from Geller
[12:03] <popey> my nephew lives in Sonning. I should get him to take a better pic.
[12:04] <popey> http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/local-news/post-box-prank-mystifies-villagers-5874497
[12:04] <mungbean> wikipedia says uri geller is a magician
[12:05] <mungbean> so he's admitted he was a fraud in the 80s then?
[12:05] <mungbean> " URI GELLER has lifted the lid on his secret past as a SPY - and told how his spoon-bending antics were just a cover."
[12:05] <mungbean> so say the sun
[12:06] <popey> he calls himself a mystifier
[12:06] <mungbean> thats one way to distance yourself from fraud.."it was a cover up for spying"
[12:06] <ali1234> uh...not really
[12:07] <mungbean> ah he claims he was in psychic ops
[12:07] <directhex> it;s not fraud unless you claim to talk to the dead
[12:07] <MartijnVdS> psycho ops
[12:07] <mungbean> For years Geller was apparently part of the CIA’s psychic opps programme whose brief was to organise mind-reading against the enemy. The programme was closed in 1995, but Geller will confirm that after 9/11 he got a call. “The only thing I can tell you is that I was reactivated.” And that he happened to be with Michael Jackson the day before.
[12:08] <directhex> in which case there's a law requiring you to only talk to the dead legitimately
[12:08] <directhex> The Fraudulent Mediums Act 1951
[12:09] <mungbean> he's made many fraudulent claims
[12:09] <ali1234> nobody really believes it though
[12:09] <ali1234> so who cares?
[12:09] <mungbean> yeah, TV loved him in the 80s
[12:09] <directhex> ali1234, this country is filled with morons. "psychics" of all stripes are a multi-million pound industry
[12:09] <directhex> mungbean, his career was destroyed overnight by james randi, thankfully
[12:10] <ali1234> not my problem if stupid people want to waste their money
[12:10] <directhex> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9w7jHYriFo
[12:10] <ali1234> actually if the vast majority of the world didn't regularly flush all their money down the toilet civilization would probably collapse
[12:10] <awilkins>  I see mediums advertised in pubs around here all the time
[12:10] <awilkins> It's sad, this area is a hotbed of evangelical Christianity and other mental diseases
[12:11] <directhex> ali1234, it's explicitly evil. see also south park 6x15, "The Biggest Douche in the Universe"
[12:11] <popey> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdTqpscvaw4&feature=related also
[12:11] <ali1234> perhaps, but on the galactic scale of objective evil, it's pretty low
[12:11] <awilkins> Did you see the news story about the Karate Black Belt Teen Exorcists today?
[12:12] <mungbean> i was telling my wife, if more people were like me, most shops would cease trading overnight
[12:12] <awilkins> Video of them doing their Ukranian tour. Guess being poor makes you more vulnerable to memetic diseases
[12:15] <mungbean> "It's to advertise the Mikron Theatre production of Don't Shoot the messenger at Sonning Lock.
[12:16] <mungbean> popey: ^^
[12:16] <popey> there we go
[12:17] <mungbean> bbc journo didn't do their homework
[12:17] <popey> well
[12:17] <popey> scroll down ☻
[12:17] <popey> "Not true we have asked The Mill.
[12:17] <mungbean> they asked a dolly bird on reception
[12:17] <popey> lets just pipe that forum here yes? ☻
[12:17] <popey> ʘ‿ಠ
[12:21] <ali1234> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/sep/09/nsa-sabotage-dead-mans-switch
[12:21] <ali1234> rsync.net weren't the first to do this
[12:22] <ali1234> pepperfish.net was doing it back in 2003
[12:37]  * bigcalm tickles a rackspace cloud server
[12:37] <bigcalm> Wonder if they are having routing problems today
[12:38] <SuperMatt> oh, did you just notice something?
[12:38] <SuperMatt> I got a couple of timeouts on a couple of services I run on there
[12:39] <bigcalm> SuperMatt: getting huge packet loss within their network
[12:42] <SuperMatt> aha!
[12:43] <SuperMatt> oh, I'm seeing 0 packet loss from one location, but quite a bit from another
[12:44] <SuperMatt> my mtr shows me this rackspace-gw.ip4.tinet.net is where it starts losing packets
[12:45] <ali1234> can ssh tunnel dbus?
[12:45] <ali1234> like ssh -X, but for dbus?
[12:47] <mungbean> sounds like hackery
[12:47] <ali1234> i would like to be able to run notify-send on the remote machine and see the notification on the local machine
[12:48] <mungbean> https://github.com/guyzmo/notossh
[12:48] <mungbean> for irssi?
[12:48] <ali1234> no, i don't use that
[12:48] <ali1234> just for notifying me when some long job finishes on a server
[12:49] <mungbean> probably apply the same method to that though
[12:49] <ali1234> yeah
[12:57] <SuperMatt> bigcalm: it looks like there's still packet loss in rackspace, but it's not so high that my nagios is complaining any more
[12:57] <SuperMatt> could be that whatever the issue is, is getting sorted
[12:57] <bigcalm> Good to know
[12:59] <SuperMatt> it's still hovering around the 23% mark though, which is less than ideal
[12:59] <bigcalm> Sluggish terminals are a load of fun
[12:59] <SuperMatt> no they're not
[13:00] <SuperMatt> although ssh is a great protocol
[13:00] <SuperMatt> it's useful that it can survive quite a lot of packet loss
[13:00] <SuperMatt> at least it gives you a *chance* to fix something remotely
[13:04] <mungbean> my sun servers are shagged :(
[13:04] <mungbean> even ILOM is misbehaving
[13:04] <SuperMatt> ILOM?
[13:04] <mungbean> like DRAC
[13:05]  * SuperMatt stares blankly at mungbean 
[13:05]  * SuperMatt blinks
[13:05] <mungbean> what servers do u use
[13:05] <SuperMatt> we simply have a few vms scattered around the country
[13:05] <mungbean> lights out management/out of band management interface
[13:06] <mungbean> for accessing a serial console on the box
[13:06] <mungbean> or performing power on/off indepently of server
[13:07] <SuperMatt> I see
[13:11] <MartijnVdS> They've discovered a new species of rabbit: http://i.imgur.com/KX7XAxW.jpg
[13:11] <mungbean> lovely
[13:12] <mungbean> can look at that all day
[14:08] <mungbean> why do people have audible email notifications in office environment?
[14:10] <jpds> mungbean: Because they don't have libnotify.
[14:11] <mungbean> :(
[14:11] <mungbean> constant ding dong swoosh and etc
[14:11] <dwatkins> I have a colleauge who has his IM "bing" on all the time, so every time I message him, I get a bing
[14:11] <dwatkins> ...and then there's the humming
[14:11] <mgdm> send him messages timed so it spells 'eejit' in morse, or some such
[14:11] <brobostigon> mine phone has a cookoo noise for incoming emails in k9, very amusing.
[14:11] <brobostigon> my*
[14:11] <dwatkins> mgdm: sadly I think the joke would be lost on him
[14:12] <dwatkins> he doesn't even realise when he's humming
[14:12] <mgdm> brobostigon: surely a woof would make more sense for K9? :P
[14:12] <mgdm> this is why I have big headphones
[14:13]  * mgdm sticks on that new Arcade Fire track *again*
[14:13] <dwatkins> mgdm: likewise, Sennheiser HD 210s make life bearable
[14:13] <brobostigon> mgdm: certainly, or a dr who k9 extract.
[14:15] <dwatkins> my alarm clock is R2D2
[14:15] <mgdm> dwatkins: I forget precisely what these are, but they're a Scottish company, and they're comfy enough...
[14:15] <jpds> mungbean: You could imitate the sounds so thta it completely confuses them.
[14:16] <mgdm> I keep meaning to SSH into someone else's Mac here and abuse the 'say' command
[14:16] <mungbean> nobody needs aural stimuli for emails
[14:17] <popey> what if you're alt-tabbed into sommat else?
[14:20] <ali1234> i've got one of these: http://www.nandahome.com/products/tocky/
[14:21] <ali1234> and i loaded the audio from this video in it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv6RbEOlqRo
[14:22] <mgdm> that's horrific
[15:15] <mungbean> wow http://www.flickr.com/photos/rhysdaviesphotography/4443501034/sizes/l/in/set-72157626849039396/
[15:16] <mungbean> great shot of beachy head
[15:19] <dwatkins> yeah, very nice
[15:22] <DJones> Ugh, Windows Live Mail is an appalling email client
[15:24] <SuperEngineer> DJones: I assume that's copied from an advert for Windows ;)
[15:25] <DJones> Nope, thats from 4 hours of having to use the pile of &%*$£^%
[15:25] <mungbean> going to wildlife park tomorrow \o/
[15:27] <bigcalm> Whom here is a nginx fan?
[15:27] <mgdm> I'm a fan of it
[15:28] <bigcalm> Old nginx server had two fqdn on SSL on the same server and IP just fine
[15:28] <mgdm> not used it for much complicated, though
[15:28] <bigcalm> New nginx server isn't playing ball
[15:28] <bigcalm> duplicate default server for 0.0.0.0:443
[15:29] <bigcalm> Ignore me
[15:30] <bigcalm> I copied a available-sites config but didn't remove default_server from the 2nd conf
[15:30] <bigcalm> mgdm: ta for being ready
[15:47] <jussi> AlanBell: you about=
[15:47] <jussi> ?
[15:50] <AlanBell> might be :)
[15:50] <AlanBell> whassup jussi?
[16:18] <Monotoko> wasps suck
[16:18] <funkyHat> Do wasps actually contribute usefully to any ecosystem?
[16:19] <Monotoko> I don't think so, one landed on the back of my neck, I wasn't aware of what it was so put my hand up to get rid of it
[16:19] <Monotoko> stung my neck and my hand :(
[16:22] <ali1234> did anyone see that news story the other day about "drunk, unemployed" wasps
[16:24] <SuperEngineer> bzzzzzzzzzz
[16:24] <ali1234> it was on the front page of the telegraph of course
[16:25] <SuperEngineer> funkyHat: actually, yes - they do [surprisingly]
[16:26] <SuperEngineer> or as one wasp said to the other... Do humans actually contribute usefully to any ecosystem?
[16:27] <funkyHat> SuperEngineer: what is it? Wikipedia has a deceptively titled "Role in ecosystem" section which doesn't really explain much at all
[16:27] <funkyHat> SuperEngineer: we make pandas have babies when they don't want to so they won't become extinct... surely that counts for something?
[16:28] <funkyHat> Oh! If we didn't have fig wasps then we wouldn't have figs. I've never tried a fig, but fig wasps sound ok.
[16:28] <SuperEngineer> funkyHat: they eat debris, waste, bugs & harmful insects [& humans at pubs]
[16:29] <ali1234> pandas keep the bamboo under control
[16:30] <SuperEngineer> ali1234: and make us all smile
[16:30] <ali1234> not me
[16:30] <SuperEngineer> boo hiss
[16:30] <ali1234> o_o
[16:31]  * SuperEngineer sends virtual wasp to ali1234 
[16:42] <popey> ali1234 has a heart of stone
[18:32] <AlanBell> minecraft question, do mods such as the lion king mod work on Ubuntu?
[18:34] <diddledan> AlanBell: afaik yes
[18:39] <ali1234> lion king mod?
[18:42] <AlanBell> apparently that is what all the cool kids are playing
[18:48] <ali1234> the mods are all patched java classes
[18:48] <ali1234> so they all can work potentially
[18:49] <ali1234> some of them have weird patching methods, but if oyu know what you're doing you can bypass that
[18:50] <ali1234> that mod looks pretty cool
[18:50] <davmor2> AlanBell: you know you're a geek right and not allowed in the cool kids group? ;)
[18:54] <AlanBell> yeah, I don't do games
[18:56] <MartijnVdS> Argh @ car stereos
[18:59] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: problem?
[19:00] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: Had to use extreme force to get the old one out (the "keys" didn't do their job -- could only get the radio out 1cm)
[19:01] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: and the new radio expects the red and yellow wires to be reversed (12V continuous vs 12V when ignition is on)
[19:01] <MartijnVdS> so I have to find some kind of converter block or something
[19:02] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: so pull the pins out of the current plug and then swap them around ;)
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: yes.. pull them out of the plug. How? :)
[19:03] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: have I got to tell you everything sheesh ;)
[19:03] <MartijnVdS> the lead for my old radio had a plastic sleeve + connector in the middle
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> to rearrange the 12V lines
[19:06] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: :( sound like you are outta luck unless you cut the cable and solder it I guess
[19:08] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: I'm going to check Halfords tomorrow, see if they have some kind of convertor/extension lead I can (ab)use
[19:08] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: you in the UK then dude?
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: no, but we have Halfords in .nl :)
[19:24] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: in Halfords in .nl do they sell beam deflectors for driving in the UK?
[19:25] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: they do
[19:29] <popey> AlanBell: have you ever played CaH?
[19:29] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: cool, I was wondering if they were even a think outside of the UK
[19:30] <AlanBell> popey: nope
[19:59] <blazemore> Any League of Legends ppl?
[20:00] <andylockran> nope
[20:00] <directhex> dota2 4 evah!
[20:06] <ali1234> do we have any sound editors that aren't audacity?
[20:10] <ali1234> ugh, launchpad is really messed up
[20:10] <diddledan> that;'s windows 8.1 preview installed *ducks*
[20:12] <ali1234> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-100913-211108.php
[20:27] <mungbean> wow, new oz PM https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zyY-xI6zgfk
[20:35] <diddledan> he looks very uncomfortable
[20:35] <mungbean> odd guy
[20:35] <mungbean> Blackberry
[20:35] <mungbean> 9.3%
[20:35] <mungbean> 1.7%
[20:35] <mungbean> 0.1%
[20:36] <mungbean> market share uk/us/china
[20:57] <dutchie> directhex: woo dota
[21:27] <bigcalm> What language are upstart scripts?
[21:28] <bigcalm> I'm guessing bash
[21:28] <bigcalm> But likely wrong
[21:35] <diddledan> bigcalm: they're a unique format
[21:36] <diddledan> bigcalm: they're more config files than scripts
[21:38] <bigcalm> Okay, ta