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rick_h_kind of cool, greg-g has a popular bookmark https://twitter.com/search?q=bmark.us&src=typd01:55
rick_h_and the promise of bookie/readable content pays off. The page is gone/404, but the readable content is still there. Yay!01:56
rick_h_cmaloney: widox was there any news about CHC location last week? e.g. are they going to be closed this week?02:27
cmaloneyI didn't ask unfortunately03:09
cmaloneyThat said, they didn't offer either03:11
greg-grick_h_: nice04:32
jrwrenmorn12:08
rick_h_morning12:09
brouschug12:11
widoxrick_h_: I didn't make it out last week12:48
widoxrick_h_ cmaloney are they starting to change over brands?12:48
rick_h_widox: k, just checking.12:48
rick_h_widox: so one of the stores was supposed to be changing around the 1st I think it was?12:48
rick_h_our store was going to swap later, but they're going to get trained on the first one to switch/etc12:48
widoxah12:49
widoxok, I thought they said October'ish in the past12:49
rick_h_yea, I assume we're safe but curious if you guys heard anything12:49
rick_h_sounds like nope12:49
widoxor, we'll just be in the parking lot on your mifi ;)12:50
rick_h_lol;12:50
brouschrick_h_: Give mcdonc some work http://plope.com/is_open_source_consulting_dead13:04
rick_h_brousch: hah! Didn't you hear, we don't do python any more :P13:04
rick_h_I did hit him up to talk about it via podcast. I think with that and armin's post we'd have a good episode13:05
brouschSo Python is dead?!13:10
brouschDamnit. What are people using now?13:10
brouschAnd which Armin post are you talking about?13:11
rick_h_brousch: the one from yesterday13:14
rick_h_brousch: yea, Go is taking over :P it is getting some traction13:14
rick_h_mongodb is doign their new tooling all in mongodb13:14
rick_h_doing that is ugh13:14
jrwrenthe problem is how he thinks. "open source consulting" <-- its a mindset problem13:17
brouschI remember an Alex Gaynor post (not your playground), but not an Armin post13:17
rick_h_brousch: ah sorry you're right. That post13:17
rick_h_jrwren: yea, it is.13:17
jrwrentooling in go you mean?13:17
rick_h_jrwren: yea, having too many conversations at once this morning. ugh13:20
jrwrenwhenever someone laments like this, I go to the obvious answer: you have your carts hitched to the wrong horse. :)13:21
jrwreni just finished my cup of coffee, so I'm ready for today. :)13:23
brouschThe Kivy lead dev has a similar problem (in France)13:25
brouschThough we determined part of his problem is that his rates were too low for the value he can provide13:26
jrwreni need more openstack friends. Learning this myself with no support is a pain.13:35
brouschNo IRC channel?13:48
jrwrenits useless13:51
jrwren*sigh* and I search bugs and find my own :(14:03
rick_h_jrwren: what are you up to these days?14:05
rick_h_that's using/hammering against openstack?14:06
jrwrenwriting a cloud orchestration tool :p14:06
rick_h_lol14:07
jrwrennot really, but a mgmt tool.14:07
jrwrenan existing mgmtool from before ec2 had a mgmt console14:07
rick_h_ugh14:07
jrwrenextending with openstack support, and finding openstack pretty terrible.14:07
jrwrenactually... i wonder if juju isn't designed the way it is becuase openstack sucks in the places i'm poking it.14:09
rick_h_well, the thing to remember is that juju is meant to work around OS, AWS, Azure, etc14:10
rick_h_so it's working around a lot of sucky places14:10
jrwrenso yes! :)14:10
jrwrenhrm...14:10
jcastromy management tool do you mean soemthing like the AWS console?14:10
jrwrenjcastro: nothing so fancy, no.14:11
jrwrenjust something to start/stop/managedns and userdata in our environment.14:11
rick_h_jrwren: you guys run your own OS?14:12
rick_h_openstack I guess...OS doesn't shorten well for that does it14:12
jrwrenha!14:12
jrwrenyes, we have a grizzly deploy14:12
jrwrenbasically, we want 1 tool for hybrid cloud mgmt, so tool manages services and where they run and when I start/stop it happens in correct place.14:13
jrwrenit all works pretty well, except for the occasional openstack wtf.14:13
jrwrenfor example, openstack takes userdata as part of query string instead of post data AFAICT, so I think its probably limited in size a bit more than ec2s 16k limit14:14
cmaloneyGood morning15:16
cmaloneyrick_h_: Actually we went by the Downtown Royal Oak Caribou. It's papered up with a sign in the window looking for applicants15:19
cmaloneyNo ETA on when it's supposed to open15:19
trevlarcmaloney: yeah I saw that a few days ago.. but it's not going to be caribou anymore?15:33
trevlarhttp://berkley.patch.com/groups/business-news/p/caribou-coffee-shops-in-royal-oak-to-be-converted-to-peets15:34
trevlarthe sign had a peet's logo on it15:35
jrwrenah! I guess ultimately my issue is openstack doesn't support gzipped userdata :(15:46
jrwrenoh well, I can live without for now.15:46
cmaloneyIt'll be Peets in the future15:48
cmaloneyhttp://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-michigan/2319-michigan-ubuntu-global-jam-s-series/15:48
cmaloneyUnfortunately I can't just say "The State of Michigan" so I gave the address of the Capitol Building in Lansing15:49
cmaloneyso please for the love of God don't make the trip unless you have business in Lansing. :)15:49
greg-ghaha15:56
greg-gcmaloney: just instigated the quietest and geekiest protest on the state capitol15:57
cmaloney;)16:06
cmaloneyWEll, and it's also supposed to be the state of Michigan. When I just put the state in there it chose somewhere south of Traverse City16:07
cmaloneywhich would have been a real fun one16:07
brouschcenter of the state17:14
cmaloneyYep17:24
wafhere's waf's CS interview tip #57: if asked to take an online assessment, do not respond with "i will not take your piddling on-line evaluation"17:24
wafespecially if you're a college student looking for an entry level position17:27
rick_h_yea, I was going to say...it's ok if you're willing to walk away from the job or point at OSS completed imo17:27
wafsure, sometimes we have (senior) people balking at taking a test, though rarely that rude.17:29
rick_h_oh, I didn't realize that was a quote17:29
wafyep17:29
rick_h_that's dumb regardless17:29
cmaloneyI wonder if they thought it was one of those logic problem tests17:30
cmaloneylike "why are manhole covers round"17:30
wafnah, we gave a description of it.  it covers cs fundamentals17:30
cmaloneyThat's the only kind of test I'd walk away from unless my job was to write those sorts of lateral thinking problems.17:30
wafright17:31
cmaloneyI remmeber commenting to someone asking me to write one of those programming problems "is there much call for this stuff here"?17:31
wafit's less concerning that he put up some resistance, it's more about being needlessly rude to our HR person.17:32
cmaloneyNeedless to say I didn't get that job.17:32
cmaloneyYeah, no. That's definitely rude.17:32
cmaloneyTrying to understand more than absolve17:32
jrwreni love screeners.17:33
rick_h_cmaloney: thurs night podcast?17:34
cmaloneyrick_h_: Can't this week17:34
rick_h_cmaloney: k17:34
cmaloneyrick_h_: But yeah, seems this is the week to resurrect the podcast. :)17:34
cmaloneyor month17:35
rick_h_cmaloney: yea, chris McD is up for a chat on his blog post and alex's17:35
cmaloneyOh, that's awesome.17:35
cmaloneyIt'd be fitting, since I think he was our last interview17:35
rick_h_yea17:35
mathomastechExciting news. I finally have a computer set up to idle in IRC all day! Ok, maybe not all that exciting.18:42
cmaloneymathomastech: That's awesome that they have computers out there. :)18:42
rick_h_lol18:43
mathomastechcmaloney: Yea, I was surprised as well.18:43
mathomastechSo, I connected to the ubuntu-us-mn (Minnesota) channel and am sad to see a near ghost town there. Only a half dozen people connected, and no one actually talking.18:44
greg-ghmm, I wonder who I know in there18:44
greg-gh00k is familiar, but I forget who they are. Tony Y is good people18:45
cmaloneyYeah, I feel blessed that we actually have a core group of folks that will talk online18:45
mathomastechgreg-g Tonyy seems to be the Minnesota Coordinator. Ive seen his name several places on the Minnesota LoCo pages.18:47
greg-gyeah18:47
brouschWhat's that easy chroot thing people are gushing about?18:55
cmaloneylxc?18:56
jrwrenchroot is the easy chroot.19:05
jrwrenlxc is the really nice container thingy19:05
cmaloneyjrwren: Yeah, but we've sold it as a super-chroot19:06
cmaloneyeven though it's more a container19:06
rick_h_lxc...it even has container in the name19:08
mathomastechI am finally starting to see the issues everyone else has had with Google Maps. It is extremely slow to load and redraw. Just started seeing it the past few weeks. It was quite snappy when I first got access to it. Anyone else having problems?20:10
widoxits always been slow for me20:21
flipsidecreationhello20:22
flipsidecreationthe new google maps is quite cpu intensive20:23
cmaloneyYeah, I haven't been able to get it to start up, afaict20:30
cmaloneyhttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/09/canonical-launch-ubuntu-voice-initiative21:10
greg-gman, git filter-branch on my eeepc 'server' is really slow21:11
cmaloneygreg-g: It's definitely disk I/O intensive21:13
greg-gyah, doesn't help that it is also over usb ;)21:15
cmaloneygreg-g: I think the only way you could make it suck is if it was over Wifi to a card punch reader.21:16
greg-g:)21:17
cmaloneys/suck/suck more/21:17
greg-gyeah21:17
greg-gmy stupidity for accidentally having git add a bunch of podcasts instead of git-annex add them :/21:19
greg-g(and git-annex sync auto committed them)21:19
cmaloneyAre you using that as a backup strategy?21:21
greg-gI wouldn't say backups, but, data management across multiple devices21:23
greg-gbut yeah, poor man's backups in a way (makes offsite easy)21:24
cmaloneyHuh. I'm having a bit of mind-wrap to see how this works.21:24
greg-gI love it for my documents, music, videos, photos, etc kind of media21:24
greg-gbut I still do real backups of everything else (using obnam)21:24
cmaloneyI wish obnam worked for me21:24
cmaloneyIt never seemed to finish21:25
greg-gwhat part doesn't?21:25
greg-goh, sad21:25
cmaloneyYeah, had to revert to rdiff-backup21:25
greg-gwhich isn't bad21:25
cmaloneyYeah, it just seemed like something I might enjoy using21:26
cmaloneybut it didn't seem to work well with virtualbox images21:26
greg-gdef, I love Lar's design aesthetics21:26
cmaloneyI might retry it again at some point21:27
cmaloneyOh, an di think a bug that I had was also causing problems, and the PPA wasn't up to date21:31
cmaloneyit looks like it's been updated since then21:31
cmaloneyI wish I had better notes21:32
greg-g:)21:50

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