[00:18] <jjfrv8> ochosi, re the logout time - 12 seconds here, on a pretty fast machine :(
[00:19] <ochosi> jjfrv8: ok, thanks for the confirmation
[00:19] <ochosi> now we have to debug it somehow
[00:19] <ochosi> (find pointers in the logs)
[00:19] <ochosi> but i really assume it's a logind related issue
[09:59] <knome> ochosi, Unit193: cc always has by (attribution)
[13:47] <ochosi> knome: there was an old generic cc-sa, but it's retired now (googled it)
[14:06] <knome> ochosi, yeah sure, but it would've been kind of stupid to have sa without by (that's why cc dropped it)
[14:09] <ochosi> yup, basically what i said yesterday
[17:28] <ali1234> ochosi: "Windows Network" in thunar has no icon - bug?
[17:29] <ochosi> ali1234: screenshot?
[17:29] <knome> was there some obvious reason why some thunar custom actions do not work?
[17:29] <knome> the script i'm trying to run doesn't even launch
[17:29] <ochosi> ali1234: ah i see
[17:30] <ochosi> knome: you have to use absolute paths i think for executing the script if it's e.g. in your ~/.bin
[17:30] <knome> i am, no luck
[17:33] <knome> uff
[17:33] <knome> ok, fixed
[17:33] <ochosi> ali1234: ok, will see whether i can fix that, thanks for the hint
[17:40] <ochosi> ali1234: can't seem to find an icon-theme where that gets a real icon (that's with gnome: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-09102013-073954pm.php )
[17:40] <ali1234> yeah, same
[17:40] <ochosi> so as long as we don't find a theme that works, fixing is hard
[17:40] <ochosi> unless you wanna read the GIO/GVFS source code
[17:41] <ali1234> it gets an icon in nautilus...
[17:41] <ali1234> well, it did in raring anyway
[17:41] <ali1234> btw do i need to register to use zimagez?
[17:42] <ali1234> also i tracked down the gedit icon bug... it's because it used to use smclient to read the icon from the .desktop file, but smclient was removed. i sent it to gnome bugzilla
[17:42] <ochosi> i think you might have to
[17:43] <ochosi> i think gedit would simply have to use the gtk function to set the window-icon
[17:43] <ali1234> yes, basically that call got deleted when smclient was removed
[17:43] <ochosi> :/
[17:43] <ochosi> well they don't need it anymore in gnome-shell, but it blows for all other DEs
[17:44] <ali1234> yeah. ironically, windows and mac still gets the icon, because they never used smclient
[17:45] <ochosi> well it's a one-liner
[19:16] <OvenWerks> Just an extra bit of info on the long logout/shutdown time bug. It is not only xfce, kde (kubuntu) is the same. It is definitely longer than raring. I have been thinking it was broken and doing an sudo reboot... impatience on my part... and always having a terminal sitting open too.
[19:45] <ochosi> OvenWerks: very weird
[19:55] <OvenWerks> ochosi: It seems to me the big change has has been the change to upstart for starting sessions.
[21:18] <ochosi> OvenWerks: well that sounds annoying, i thought it was "only" the switch to logind?
[21:42] <jjfrv8> knome, I'm back
[21:43] <ochosi> ali1234: can you show me a screenshot of what icon nautilus uses for browse windows network?
[21:44] <ali1234> ochosi: sure, i'll have to boot up another machine though
[21:44] <ochosi> ok, that would be helpful
[21:44] <ochosi> then at least i can narrow down the options
[21:45] <ochosi> checking the gvfs source didn't shed too much light...
[21:58] <ali1234> ochosi: http://imagebin.org/270509
[21:59] <ochosi> ali1234: any chance you can try to use elementary-xfce there?
[22:01] <ali1234> the machine freezes when i try to open the dash, and there's no other way to open a terminal
[22:01] <ali1234> it might unfreeze in a minute or two
[22:01] <ochosi> :/
[22:01] <ochosi> ok
[22:01] <ochosi> on the first look i can't see any icons that look like that in Humanity that could be used
[22:02] <ochosi> so it might be a bug in thunar
[22:02] <ochosi> not sure
[22:02] <ali1234> well i'm using ubuntu-mono-light and thunar still shows no icon
[22:02] <ochosi> ok, that at least points into a direction (where it's not my fault anymore)
[22:03] <ali1234> what's the xfce-elementary icon package called?
[22:04] <ochosi> xubuntu-icon-theme
[22:04] <ochosi> but you can also use the daily of it
[22:04] <ochosi> makes more sense
[22:04] <ochosi> https://code.launchpad.net/~landronimirc/+archive/elementary-xfce
[22:05] <ali1234> i can't install it on a livecd
[22:05] <ochosi> ah 
[22:05] <ochosi> hm :/
[22:05] <ochosi> well those symlinks shouldn't be missing either way
[22:06] <ali1234> adding the ppa
[22:07] <ali1234> er... how do i change the icon theme in unity?
[22:10] <ochosi> ali1234: ask me something i know... :)
[22:13] <ali1234> ok it's a folder with a wifi icon on it
[22:16] <ali1234> gtk-network.png, but there are several that look like that
[22:17] <ali1234> also it's the same icon thunar uses on the places bar at the side for "browse network" and network shortcuts and also it is correctly displayed when you go into a computer and see the shares - each one has this icon
[22:21] <ochosi> ali1234: yeah, i know it's that icon (or it should be), so it's working with nautilus?
[22:22] <ochosi> if yes i'd presume it's thunar's fault
[22:28] <knome> jjfrv8, if you're interested in a bit different docs stuff, parole could do with documentation upstream; ochosi and bluesabre have been working on it lately, and they will soon need interested people to build up the parole docs from scratch :)
[22:33] <ali1234> ochosi: yes, it works in nautilus
[22:33] <ali1234> with xfce-elementary
[22:35] <ochosi> ali1234: ok, i guess reporting a bug against thunar would be good
[22:35] <ochosi> (on bugs.xfce.org)
[22:43] <knome> bbl, nighty ->
[22:45] <jjfrv8> ochosi, bluesabre, if you want to fill me in on the parole documentation thing knome mentioned, I'd be glad to look into it.