[00:10] <yeyeman> Can I make the file manager display files in a list instead of icons?
[00:17] <ochosi> yeyeman: press ctrl+1, ctrl+2 and ctrl+3 to switch the views
[00:17] <ochosi> or use the View menu
[00:17] <pleia2> probably want "view as detailed list" (I do!)
[00:19] <yeyeman> yep this is great
[05:42] <codygman> Not sure if that posted.. Is xubuntu going to be using mir?
[05:45] <baizon> codygman: http://www.webupd8.org/2013/08/xubuntu-1310-xmir-iso-available-for.html
[05:54] <Unit193> http://open.knome.fi/2013/08/22/xubuntu-team-no-mir-for-13-10/
[05:54] <Unit193> You can still try it though, or even use it, just not default.
[06:03] <MoL0ToV> i have a problem with xscreensaver, don't authenticate even with correct password
[06:43] <codygman> Unit193: That is good to hear, I'm glad they won't be using mir at first. I'm thinking of moving from debian testing as my main OS to xubuntu and need stability.
[06:44] <MoL0ToV> i have a problem with xscreensaver, don't authenticate even with correct password
[06:46] <Unit193> Little text in the top left say anything interesting?
[06:46] <Unit193> codygman: Moving from Testing, but need stable? ;)
[08:07] <codygman> Unit193: I need the newness of testing (or more). One of the reasons I'm moving is because I'm having to hack things to make hibernation and switching from external monitors to only my laptop and things like that. Going to see if Xubuntu fixes it. IIRC it corrected some of the problems.
[08:12] <Unit193> 13.10 (unreleased so far) has better support for multi-monitor setups as well.
[08:29] <xubuntu670> Hi..My name is Michael I am running Xubuntu 12.10 and have a problem with the Update Manager,I think that somehow it has got locked as its showing that there are upgrades to download but I can install them! any help appreciated
[08:32] <minbag> join #freebsd
[08:33] <TheSheep> xubuntu670: any error messages?
[08:34] <TheSheep> xubuntu670: note that if you have the update manager already running, you can't start a second one
[08:45] <xubuntu670> No error messages! How do I stop the instance of update manager thats running then?
[08:54] <pmjdebruijn> does the issue persist if you logout, and login again?
[08:59] <xubuntu670> yes the issue persists on log off log on i need to kill the process
[09:00] <TheSheep> xubuntu670: head to the task manager then
[09:01] <TheSheep> in applications -> system
[09:04] <xubuntu670> thanks Sheep ive just killed the update manager process so hop ethat sorts it out  michael
[09:18] <marion> hallo zusammen kann mir jemand helfen? ich habe ein problem beim starten...
[09:18] <marion> ...ich weiß nicht mehr weiter ;(
[09:18] <TheSheep> !de | marion
[12:59] <MoL0ToV> i have a problem with xscreensaver, don't authenticate even with correct password
[13:10] <xubuntu894> hi
[13:10] <xubuntu894> where can i find an old xubuntu distro
[13:11] <xubuntu894> it is for a celeron
[13:11] <xubuntu894> can anyone helpme
[13:12] <cfhowlett> xubuntu894, 12.04 will run fine on celeron
[13:12] <xubuntu894> sure? well lets try thanks
[13:13] <xubuntu894> i had most problems at boot time
[13:13] <pipe84> hi. i just installed xubuntu 13.04 in my netbook hp dm1, but doesn't works brightness keys. i have edited file grub add "windows2012" (it work in ubuntu 13.04) but either work.
[13:13] <cfhowlett> xubuntu894, I suggest you use the LTS version 12.04.  Also, Lubuntu should also run great on Celeron.  Install xubuntu then install lxde to see the desktop environment for lubuntu.
[13:13] <cfhowlett> xubuntu894, what problems?
[13:14] <xubuntu894> the menu show then its like a key is pressed
[13:14] <xubuntu894> and i can not shoose an option
[13:14] <cfhowlett> xubuntu894, ?? with ubuntu or with xubuntu?
[13:15] <xubuntu894> i pressed several times enter an then starts in text mode
[13:15] <xubuntu894> i guess it is the video card is not strong
[13:16] <xubuntu894> i tried ubuntu debian and a distro with lxfce
[13:16] <xubuntu894> let me find the name of that distro
[13:17] <cfhowlett> xubuntu894, lubutnu is ubuntu with the LXDE desktop environment.
[13:17] <pipe84> hi. i just installed xubuntu 13.04 in my netbook hp dm1, but doesn't works brightness keys. i have edited file grub add "windows2012" (it work in ubuntu 13.04) but either work.
[13:17] <cfhowlett> xubuntu894, and lubuntu and xubuntu are optimized for older machines.
[13:19] <xubuntu894> yes i know even thoght i tried one that didnt strat, wait a minute im not sure if it was xubuntu thats why i am here, let me find it
[13:19] <nikolam> when I set tzdata (sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata) to set time zone, and NTP server is active, I get wrong local time for my city (belgrade, europe)
[13:19] <nikolam> but when I choose GMT+1 , I get correct time.
[13:19] <nikolam> why
[13:20] <nikolam> it is 12.04 32-bit, running inside virtualbox
[13:20] <nikolam> maybe it have to do that sometime I pause VM and save state, but there is NTP server to fix time
[13:20] <nikolam> hi xubuntu894
[13:21] <xubuntu894> i found it
[13:21] <xubuntu894> xubuntu-13.04-desktop-i386.iso
[13:21] <xubuntu894> this one didnt work
[13:21] <nikolam> uh, I now again got wrong time, and then i set it by town name and now it is againright. smells like NTP not set right..
[13:21] <xubuntu894> i guess i have to try 12
[13:22] <nikolam> xubuntu894, I think in the same place where new ones. just take care that only older LTS releases are supported for some time.
[13:22] <nikolam> you just use new one, you don't need old
[13:23] <cfhowlett> xubuntu894, the LTS version is supported for 5 years.  NON LTS are not.  Choose wisely.
[13:23] <nikolam> memory (RAM) is important resource, otherwise, it will run just fine, like releases before
[13:23] <xubuntu894> but 13 didnt work
[13:23] <nikolam> it is what applications want, by means of speed and cpu and graphics, not system.
[13:23] <cfhowlett> !nomodeset|xubuntu894, meaning?  what exactly failed?  graphics?
[13:24] <cfhowlett> xubuntu894, try the no mode set options to see if you can work around the graphics issue.
[13:24] <xubuntu894> ok it was i kind of corrupted boot screen
[13:24] <xubuntu894> then i wait about an hour and nothing happend
[13:25] <xubuntu894> let me see the page thanks
[13:25] <cfhowlett> xubuntu894, read the factoid I sent you and try the nomodeset option.
[13:25] <nikolam> also by typing "/nick nickname" you choose your nickname in chat :)
[13:27] <nikolam> Also up to 12.04 LTS, there is "alternate" install, that do installing in text-only mode, but then when installed, use GUI
[13:27] <cfhowlett> nikolam, excellent point.
[13:32] <nikolam> yeah, by using alternate I managed to install xubuntu on asus eeepc701 with 512MB RAM and just 4GB SSD, and I even end up with less then Gig free space with all apps and office etc ;p
[13:33] <nikolam> after text install with no gui installed, I added xubuntu dekstop and voila (was using UTP LAN cable for internet)
[13:33] <cfhowlett> nikolam, hows that working out for yhou?
[13:33] <nikolam> quite fine now.
[13:34] <nikolam> but I keep books and music etc on SD card
[13:34] <cfhowlett> nikolam, I thought as much ...
[13:34] <nikolam> I do sudo atitude clean, empty caches of browsers and he lives.
[13:35] <nikolam> and yes, I sometimes run synaptic, to clean stale linux kernel packages with old versions that does nto get cleaned by themselves after updates...
[13:37] <nikolam> I only had problem with Firefox not quite working right without swap space on 512MB RAM. he was stalling all machine after 5-6 tabs.
[13:37] <nikolam> I think i solved it by setting small Swapfile as swap space (20-50Megs or so) and now I think he is more happy when swap is there
[13:39] <nikolam> it is set in /etc/fstab and file is made with dd
[13:40] <MoL0ToV> i have a problem with xscreensaver, don't authenticate even with correct password
[13:41] <nikolam> MoL0ToV, you have another user to log in?
[13:41] <nikolam> then check user rights on home dir
[13:41] <MoL0ToV> is all right
[13:41] <MoL0ToV> 700
[13:42] <MoL0ToV> i just done chmod -R 700 $HOME
[13:42] <nikolam> e.g. sudo chown user /home/user ; sudo chmod u+rw /home/user -R
[13:42] <nikolam> then try to change password
[13:43] <nikolam> maybe have something to do with character set or something?
[13:45] <nikolam> MoL0ToV, what xubuntu it is. Does it authenticate in console (ctrl+alt+f2) ? try killing screensaver
[13:45] <nikolam> and try creating new user and see how it goes for  him
[13:47] <nikolam> if happens with new user too, try setting update server to main, update, and it persist with a  new user, report bug with ubuntu-bug <packagename>
[13:50] <xubuntu894> ok, i started it 13.04 and says by a message box exiting... you are leaving graphical boot menu and starting the text mode interface
[13:51] <cfhowlett> xubuntu894, right.
[13:51] <xubuntu894> while its appear its like if someone is pressing the cancel button of the message box indicaterd
[13:52] <xubuntu894> this continues like in an infinite loop
[13:52] <xubuntu894> i pressed a lot of enter and it stop and starts again
[13:53] <xubuntu894> i can not even write an order
[13:54] <xubuntu894> by pressing all functions keys it happneds nothing
[13:54] <cfhowlett> xubuntu894, break the loop.  you DID verify integrity of your ISO, right?
[13:54] <xubuntu894> really no, but same happends with ubuntu an other distros
[13:55] <cfhowlett> xubuntu894, try a different keyboard
[13:55] <xubuntu894> i started pressing all keys like crazy and it stop but enter in installing mode i guess
[13:55] <xubuntu894> then appears xubuntu 13.04 in text mode but its an infinite loading screen
[13:56] <xubuntu894> uhnnn maybe, i didnt think about that
[13:57] <xubuntu894> ill try an other keyboard
[13:57] <xubuntu894> sorry for my english im a spanish speaker
[13:58] <cfhowlett> xubuntu894, don't feel bad.  I'm an American in Beijing China and I speak NO Chinese.
[13:58] <xubuntu894> Lol
[13:58] <xubuntu894> ok, thasks a lot
[13:58] <GridCube> !es | xubuntu894  :)
[14:03] <xubuntu894> well ill be back later, i have not a compatible keybord right now, thanks a lot bye
[14:03] <pipe84> hi, i have problem with keys up/down  brightness in xubuntu 13.04, doesn't works.
[14:04] <GridCube> they usually dont
[14:04] <GridCube> sadly
[14:06] <GridCube> pipe84, you might want to take a look to this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1815228
[14:06] <GridCube> its kind of old but might direct you to a solution
[14:07] <pipe84> ok gridcube, im going to see
[14:07] <xubuntu028> im back
[14:08] <pipe84> gribcube why doesn't work ctrl+alt+T for to open terminal??
[14:08] <xubuntu028> it stop loading and now its says busybox v1.20
[14:08] <GridCube> pipe84, its meta-t
[14:08] <GridCube> where meta its the usually windows flag painted key
[14:08] <pipe84> sorry but i dont understand you
[14:08] <xubuntu028> i guess one problem is the keyboard as said flow
[14:09] <cfhowlett> xubuntu028, they do break
[14:09] <xubuntu028> but now its other
[14:09] <xubuntu028> why?
[14:09] <GridCube> causality
[14:10] <xubuntu028> try again?
[14:10] <elfy> pipe84: meta is the windows key
[14:10] <GridCube> xubuntu028, that, things happens some times for some reason
[14:11] <pipe84> ok
[14:11] <pipe84> i have understand
[14:11] <elfy> pipe84: later versions have ctrl+alt+t
[14:11] <pipe84> ok, im going to see the site for brightness key
[14:11] <xubuntu028> yes Lol, i would like to know the reasons
[14:11] <GridCube> elfy, wich version?
[14:12] <elfy> GridCube: this one I'm using has it :)
[14:12] <GridCube> 13.10?
[14:12] <xubuntu028> i really need a live distro only to access internet
[14:12] <elfy> GridCube: yep
[14:12] <GridCube> interesting
[14:12] <xubuntu028> because on my work a hace an php aplication in a computer that is ussualy full used
[14:13] <xubuntu028> and i jast want to access that computer by an internet explorer
[14:14] <xubuntu028> is there out any other live old distro that i could use only for that thing
[14:14] <xubuntu028> ?
[14:15] <pipe84> GridCube, in ubuntu 13.04 i add GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="acpi_osi=\"!Windows2012\"" and works keys brightness, but in xubuntu 13.04 doesn't
[14:15] <GridCube> tinycore, puppy, dsl, slitaz, xubuntu028
[14:16] <GridCube> :/ i have no idea of that pipe84
[14:16] <xubuntu028> ok thanks ill try puppy or tiny core, thanks
[14:16] <GridCube> xubuntu028, pasate por #ubuntu-es despues :)
[14:16] <GridCube> o por #ubuntu-es-cafe :P
[14:16] <xubuntu028> dale gracias
[14:16] <pipe84> GridCube hablas español??
[14:17] <xubuntu028> si
[14:17] <xubuntu028> creo
[14:17] <GridCube> XD claro
[14:17] <xubuntu028> jaja
[14:17] <pipe84> joe
[14:17] <GridCube> pero este canal es en ingles por favor
[14:50] <BlackShadow7777> well im back, i changed my nick from xubuntuuser088 to my real, pipe are you there?
[14:50] <BlackShadow7777> i have a question
[14:50] <BlackShadow7777> sorry this question is not from this channel
[14:51] <BlackShadow7777> i need a way to put an access link or simbolic link intyo desktop of a live distribution, is there a way?
[14:53] <xubuntu808>  i need a way to put an access link or simbolic link intyo desktop of a live distribution, is there a way?
[14:55] <xubuntu808>  i need a way to put an access link or simbolic link intyo desktop of a live distribution, is there a way?
[16:06] <mr_chris> Does anyone know how to get nm-applet working when running XFCE in a freenx session?
[16:31] <GridCube> nope
[16:35] <recon_lap> running into a annoying issue with a SD card, It'll be recognized the first time I plug it in, but after I take it out I cannot use it again till I reboot. and solutions?
[16:37] <SuperEngineer> recon_lap: put it into another slot... worked for me
[16:38] <recon_lap> afraid I only got one slot.
[16:38] <SuperEngineer> oops
[16:39] <SuperEngineer> do you boot with it in or out of slot?  try the other one - whichever
[16:41] <recon_lap> SuperEngineer: I appreciate the suggestion, but rebooting not really a solution. and I think the issue happen either way.
[16:42] <recon_lap> any, be back in a min, want to use this bloody card.
[16:55] <mr_chris> recon_lap, What does dmesg say?
[16:55] <mr_chris> Compare what it says when you plug it in to when you plug it in again.
[16:55] <pmjdebruijn> recon_lap: did you "eject it"?
[16:55] <pmjdebruijn> recon_lap: sometimes that means "Disconnecting the cardreader"
[16:56] <pmjdebruijn> my cardreader has an on/off button so I can hardware disconnect/reconnect it
[16:56] <recon_lap> I did, got a message that flashed passed so fast I could not read it.
[16:56] <pmjdebruijn> but you "shouldn't" eject
[16:56] <pmjdebruijn> there another option usually
[16:56] <pmjdebruijn> safely remove or something, right?
[16:56] <mr_chris> recon_lap, What does dmesg give you. You're running blind until you look at that.
[16:56] <recon_lap> think there might be something going on with the card itself. there is a folder I cannot delete
[16:56] <mr_chris> recon_lap, dmesg would tell you that too.
[16:57] <recon_lap> I'm using the card in my printer now, I'll reformat the card when it's free an do some testing. if the problem persists I'll ask again :)
[16:57] <mr_chris> recon_lap, Seriously, someone is trying to help you by asking you for more info and you're just going to ignore it?
[17:00] <recon_lap> mr_chris: the card is in my 3d printer for the next 20 min or so. and thx for helping , sry if I got you annoyed :(
[20:40] <ozbrk> it's too quiet in this channel
[20:40] <ozbrk> isn't it
[20:41] <knome> maybe nobody has a problem with their xubuntu
[20:41] <knome> also, if you want a social channel, try #xubuntu-offtopic
[20:43] <ozbrk> maybe you are right xubuntu is so stable
[20:54] <andreas> just installed xubuntu lts on my eee 900... works great!
[20:58] <XRS1> wifi works okay? and the card reader?
[20:58] <recon_lap> welcome to the club, hope your stay is enjoyable !!
[20:59] <XRS1> im thinking about replacing windows on my niece's eee 900,
[20:59] <andreas> wifi works... i am using it right now
[20:59] <andreas> card reader... well, ich installed it from SD card... so i guess it actually works
[20:59] <andreas> but... let me insert it after the reboot...
[21:00] <andreas> yes... it works and mounts automatically
[21:00] <recon_lap> XRS1: best thing to do is make a bootable USB and test the target machine, gives you a really good idea if there are any likley
[21:00] <recon_lap> problems
[21:01] <andreas> XRS1: yes... i replaces windows due to the low capacity of the system SSD (4 GB)
[21:01] <XRS1> card reader is what has me most worried. mine looks like it works, it'll work on a live enviornment, but if you unmount the card and plug in a new card, the new card wont work untill Windows sees it
[21:01] <andreas> ok, i will insert another one
[21:01] <XRS1> gotta reboot into windows every time i wanna change cards
[21:02] <recon_lap> XRS1: was having some issues with a SD card myself today.
[21:04] <andreas> ok, i inserted another card... not automatically mounted... but, after unmounting the old card and insert the new card again, it works
[21:04] <recon_lap> XRS1: think I had a corrupt folder on the SD that was cause odd probelms.
[21:06] <andreas> reboot...
[21:06] <XRS1> i dont deal with SD cards much so it's  not a problem for me, but my neice needs to have it, and her mom uses the netbook when traveling and uses needs SD cards to work. well ill give it a go next time i see it. it's just too slow to still be running windows
[21:08] <andreas> re
[22:16] <jk_> Question: Running two systems here, both xubuntu 12.04.3. One is quite responsive, the other extremely slow to load any program. Checking /var/log/boot.log for each shows that the snappy one starts GDM, then stops GDM and shortly afterward starts lightdm. The slow one stargs GMD, then starts lightdm, then stops GDM. Can this be the problem, and if so, how can I fix it?
[22:26] <bekks> Thats not the problem.
[22:26] <bekks> In both cases, gdm is stopped, and lightdm is started.
[22:26] <bekks> More likely, you are encountering performance issues.
[22:30] <gormandy> I just updated to using the AMD catalyst drivers, I login and then xubuntu gets stuck. Can't switch to a different TTY either
[22:30] <gormandy> can anyone help me figure out the problem?
[22:31] <gormandy> I have a dual monitor setup, and I can boot just fine if I have only one monitor plugged in
[22:32] <gormandy> and i can re-plug the second monitor and it works, no hangs or anything… why won't it boot with both monitors connected?
[22:32] <jk_> bekks, Hardware is pretty much the same on both systems, as is RAM and the drives. What made me suspect the overlapped display managers was that on the slow box, update manager seems to run "three levels deep." That is, after completing an update, it reloads itself to a copy of the original screen, before bringing up the "up to date" screen. Localepurge also runs three times, rather than once, at the end of an update. FWIW, this box b
[22:32] <jk_> oots via EFI and the fast one uses MBR,; could that be involved?
[22:33] <bekks> jk_: Nope.
[22:34] <bekks> The most usefull approach is comparing: uname -a; sysctl -a; vmstat 1 30; free -m
[22:42] <yeyeman> I use two different keyboard layouts, how do I add the language switcher to the taskbar?
[22:43] <yeyeman> I can't find any such item through the add new plugins to panel menu
[22:44] <yeyeman> I can change it in system settings of course, but I know it's possible to have little button in the panel as well
[22:49] <gormandy> still can't pinpoint the issue… xubuntu freezes after i login. I have a dual monitor setup. If I unplug one of the monitors I can boot just fine… can anyone tell me what's causing this issue?
[22:50] <recon_lap> yeyeman: only thing I can think of is workout the terminal command that will switch layouts and create a launcher. bit involved.
[22:56] <XRS1> im interested in this too. i have a laptop with a dead screen i'd like to use in the kitchen,  but when you plug a monitor into the VGA port, xubuntu will not boot (usaing x.org drivers on first gen Radeon)
[23:02] <XRS1> i know it boots fine without the monitor plugged in as you can hear a popping sound through the speakers as xubuntu logs in and starts the sound service
[23:15] <jk_> bekks, I'll do that. Sorry to be away so long; got called to supper!
[23:17] <bekks> jk_: no problem ;)
[23:23] <jk_> bekks, Interesting! The slow box is running 64-bit kernel, the snappy one is 32-bit. I thought I had 64-bit systems on both boxes. Perhaps I should change the slow box to 32 bits and see if that helps <b>
[23:24] <meh_> Hello fine people. I downloaded a program that was designed to run in java. I forget it's exact name. The problem is that I do not have java, and extracted all the files to the desktop. Which filled it up. so I deleted all those files, and erased them from the recycle bin. Each time I log in or restart more of these files keep appearing. What do I need to get rid of?
[23:30] <XRS1> open /home/usrname/Desktop/ in a file manager and check to see whats there
[23:34] <meh_> XRS1: Thanks. I was able to delete them from there.
[23:40] <jk_> bekks, Sysctl -a didn't show any obvious major discrepancies, but swappiness on the slow box was set to 60 while the fast one runs at 10. I changed the slow one to 10 and will see if that makes any difference. Thanks for your suggestions!
[23:41] <bekks> jk_: Obviously. Do you know how swappiness actually works?
[23:42] <bekks> If not, please read this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/103915/how-do-i-configure-swappiness and this: http://lwn.net/Articles/317814/
[23:44] <jk_> bekks, I don't know the intimate details, but I do know that the lower its value, the longer the system will go without attempting a swap. In any case, neither system ever reports using ANY of its swap space.
[23:44] <bekks> Especially the first article explains the impacts pf setting swappiness very well. In addition, even read this: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysctl/vm.txt on oom_kill_allocating_task
[23:44] <bekks> jk_: your second implication is untrue.
[23:45] <bekks> Setting the swappiness to a lower value just lowers the value of free, really _unused_ (not used for buffers, cache, etc.) value.
[23:46] <bekks> Setting it to 0 will have the impact, without setting oom_kill_allocating_task=1, that your system instantly starts to swap whenever there is a memory allocation excedding the value of free RAM.
[23:47] <bekks> Set swappiness to 10, and oom_kill_allocating_task=1, and you'll be fine for almost alll use cases.
[23:48] <bekks> And seeing heavy swap usage with swappiness=60, you will also see io wait events in vmstat.
[23:50] <jk_> bekks, Since I've not seen ANY swap usage on either system, are these settings likely to be significant? I suspect the differences between 32 and 64 bit systems are the major reason for such a significant difference in performance -- though I'd expect 64 to be faster, not slower.
[23:50] <bekks> Which is untrue, either.
[23:50] <bekks> If you dont see _any_ swap usage on both systems, you do not have an IO problem caused by swapping.
[23:54] <jk_> bekks, I'll go play on the other (slow) system for a while and see if the swappiness change made any difference in its feel. I did see, running top on it just now, that it had used 32K of swap space so that might be it.