=== hugo is now known as Guest77731 [00:27] I wonder if anyone is actually chatting. [02:46] Anyone here use Cairo-Dock in 13.04 successfully? I just intalled and it is not as I would expect === kenami is now known as yaos [03:14] How do I change a programs start-up option in Kubuntu? Add -i -l etc === kde is now known as Guest97025 [06:23] hello [06:23] hi :) [06:36] hi [06:41] Good morning. === soul is now known as Guest14225 [06:56] testing [06:56] Is anyone here? [06:57] I wish to chat with a computer expert who knows Kubuntu 12.04 [06:57] I want to install Kubuntu 12.04 onto my PC [06:58] How do I install Kubuntu 12.04 onto my PC? [06:59] Hey Genyar [06:59] Hi [06:59] Who knows how to install Kubuntu 12.04? [07:00] Ok, I'll try a different room... [07:01] Genyar: Let's see if I can find something for you. [07:01] Genyar: Why specifically 12.04 actually? [07:01] I want it [07:01] It's the latest stable release [07:01] and I have it on a CD [07:02] I also have the Gnome Partition Editor on a CD now, too [07:02] Genyar: It's the latest LTS, latest stable is 13.04. Anyhow watch this video, installing Kubuntu is really easy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pLzPGMNwrs [07:03] I already saw that video [07:03] But the installation from that video did not work [07:03] Did not work in what way? [07:03] I have tried installing it about 40 or 50 times, each time I had different problems [07:04] Most of the problems were related to the root drive [07:05] the one thing that happned the most was when I was preparing partitions [07:05] Genyar: If you have no other operating systems on there you can simply use "Guided use entire disk", that option should work. [07:05] I don't think that worked [07:05] Yeah, I'm certain it didn't work, I tried that about a dozen times [07:06] there are no errors on the drive [07:06] But when I did "Prepare Partitions", it kept saying, "No root file system defined" [07:07] I think there used to be about four partitions, one of which probably had Windows on it [07:07] But I used various programs to delete the entire disk and delete and format all the partitions [07:07] but none o fthem really worked [07:08] Genyar: Have you verified that the disk works? [07:08] At one point, I used Windows, which only recognized 120 GB of the 500 GB drive [07:08] I ended up installing Windows onto the 120 GB partition [07:08] Windows XP [07:09] Windows never recognized the rest of the hard drive [07:09] But something weird happened recently when I was using Nero Back It Up [07:09] Nero Back it up 4 [07:09] Genyar: Is it an IDE drive? [07:09] yes [07:10] the system drive disappeared [07:10] Windows disappeared [07:10] and the full 500 GB suddently came back [07:10] so now Windows recognizes the whole 500 GB hard drive [07:10] I tried installing 12.04 again, but no luck [07:11] Sounds like a jumper that is setup wrong. They sometimes limit the capacity of a drive. [07:12] so, now I"m thinking of using a Partition program like fdisk or GParted to wipe the whole drive and create new partitions, so I can install Kubuntu 12.04 [07:12] But drives doing things like this doesn't sound like a thrustworthy drive, I'd first make sure it is in working condition. [07:12] I tested the drive [07:13] It looks good, but it has over 2,000 file errors on it [07:14] My brother setup this PC as a dual boot system, he's a computer programmer and consultant with like over 20 years of experience [07:14] 2000 file errors is not good. [07:14] 2000 file errors is very bad. [07:14] He told me he used GParted to partition the hard drive [07:15] you mean I need a new hard drive? [07:15] Damn it man, it was working pretty well when a professor upgraded it to 12.04, but I wanted a clean install [07:16] I never should have formatted it [07:17] the only thing that wasn't working was the KDE wallet and there were some minor problems with java and Yahoo Messenger [07:18] Check the disk, or let your brother check the disk. But yes from the things I hear, this drive is near the end of it's health. [07:18] damn [07:18] But I found no sector errors [07:18] that would explain why Windows disappeared form the system drive [07:19] there must be sth wrong with the hard drive [07:21] I have another PC with Windows installed on it, and it has a whole bunch of IDE drives with a lot of memory [07:21] I was thinking of taking one of those drives and putting it into my Linux PC [07:22] Or even better, getting rid of Windows and installing Kubuntu onto that PC, because it has a better video card [07:22] But that would require a lot of work [07:23] I think it would be easier to just get another IDE drive, and replace the current one, and then install Kubuntu in it [07:25] Genyar: What about a sata drive, no worries about jumpers :) [07:25] I'm thinking that Kubuntu can handle a shitty drive better than Windows. I could be that the errors were on the Windows partition, and that's why Kubuntu was working so well, before I fomatted the hard disk [07:25] Genyar: control the langauge please. [07:25] sorry [07:25] Genyar: linux will not deal with a "bad" drive any better/worse than windows [07:26] I think the PC is too old to handle a SATA drive, but I don't know [07:27] It has an AMD Athlon 64 Processor 3200+ [07:27] the processor has nothing to do with the hard disk [07:27] The processor speed is 2.0 Ghz [07:27] the processor has nothing to do with the hard disk [07:28] Well, it has an IDE Bus [07:28] that is important to the disk [07:28] and it has only 1.41 GiB of RAM [07:29] Yeah, so I need an IDE drive [07:29] Do those Egg people sell IDE drives? [07:30] Genyar: open the website and have a look [07:30] newegg.ca? [07:30] open google and search for the site you want [07:30] this is horrible, I already bought two new hard drives [07:31] I can't afford to buy any more hard drives [07:31] we can't help that [07:31] I will have to take them out of my Fangorn PC [07:32] Do they still make IDE drives? [07:33] Genyar: no [07:33] when did they stop making them? [07:34] But I"m guessing if I buy an IDE drive online, then it will be new and unused, right? [07:36] Well, if the hard drive is toast, repartitioning it with Gparted is not going to hurt anything, even if it doesn't work [07:37] Right? [07:37] I might as well try it, and see what happens [07:37] If it doesn't work, at least I tried, and I can go looking for a new IDE drive [07:40] But once I get a new hard drive, if I use the Kubuntu 12.04 installation CD, will Kubuntu automatically create its own partitions, or do I need to partition the hard drive myself, before I install Kubuntu 12.04? [07:41] Genyar: kubuntu's installer has the option to partition for you, or allow you to do it manually [07:41] Genyar: If you use the option Guided use entire disk it makes it's own. [07:41] How many partitions would it create automatically, and how big would they be? [07:44] Genyar: It creates two, one root (/) and one swap. [07:45] I"m thinking I should format the current fracked up drive with GParted, then try installing 12.04, even though it probably won't work, for two reasons... [07:45] 1. To see what happens [07:45] 2. To practice before the real install with my new drive [07:46] the practice would expose me to how the partitioning works [07:46] I don't know how to get to the option called "Guided" [07:47] But "Use the entire disk" is somewhat familar to me, but I"m not sure how to get there during the installation process [07:53] Goodbye === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube === FReaper is now known as FlameReaper [08:45] Hi [08:45] need help with Kubuntu setting up system wide proxy [08:46] it seems its not working in KDE system settigns [08:49] memphisto: I've setup a proxy, just select manual proxy config, then enter the addresses [08:50] [specifically tor, not for anonymity/security, but for accessing a website which is for some reason not accessible from my computer] [08:55] @RamchandraApte: i want to do it from system settings. and im wondering why isn't working. [08:55] dont' want to do it via cli everytime [08:55] go to proxy settings [08:55] it should recongine it by it self [08:56] it's simple, go to system settings -> proxy settings -> manual [08:56] (alt f2 and type proxy) [08:56] i know how to get to it, problem is its not working [08:56] it doesnt setup [08:56] which proxy server are you using? [08:56] i'm kde 4.8.5 [08:57] i'm in corporate network [08:57] which uses some proxy [08:57] when i'm in ubuntu - unity i can setup via gui [08:57] when i'm in kde it refuses to do so [08:57] is it VPN? [08:58] it probably uses L3VPN [08:58] oh, then I was giving you wrong instructions [08:58] go to network management -> hold the add button and go to the VPN option [08:58] *network settings in system settings [08:59] in that, go to the VPN tab and press add [08:59] memphisto: ☝ [08:59] and i can chose from some list [09:00] but don't know what to choose [09:00] is there any config file? [09:01] what's the extension of the config file for VPN, if any is being provided by your company? [09:02] nothing special , it looks like regular proxy [09:02] now i can't tell you the lines itself [09:02] but its http://proxyserver:8080 [09:02] and it works if you use it in CLI [09:03] or in Unity - gnome [09:03] why its not working in KDE i don't know [09:06] if it's proxyserver:8080, then go to proxy settings in system settings, then select "use manually specified proxy config" [09:07] easy as it seems; in KDE that's not working [09:07] and then type proxyserver in the address and 8080 in the port [like that] [09:07] what is your proxy config? [09:07] you have selected manual config and set the addresses right? [09:07] yes [09:09] hmm.. kde doesn't use the proxy settings or pages don't load at all? [09:10] if it's a VPN, go to network manager and go to the vpn tab [09:10] it seems that kde isn't using [09:11] no, but our line to outside world is through MPLS [09:14] what did you do in ubuntu to make it work? [09:16] just put it like manual setting like proxy_server:port [09:16] and it works [09:16] apt works [09:16] and i can go on net [09:16] in KDE these doesn't seem to be working [09:43] thanks for helping; have to go now work :) will come back later [09:58] You guys know how plasma displays notification popups right? Recently, I'm no longer getting this. Instead, the ubuntu-styled notification osd is displayed whenever I got a new mail for instance. I'm trying hard to diagnose this problem. I wanted the kde-styled notifications back. Anyone got any suggestions on what went wrong? [09:59] I should have mentioned that the kdialog command isn't displaying any notifications at all. [10:07] #rails [10:13] what would be the best app to create presentation and than export it to PDF for example ? === pesa is now known as Guest71900 [10:20] soee: calligra present, libreoffice, google docs presentation or latex [10:22] Riddell, thank you [10:22] personally I like google drive because it's simple, but you may want to do complicated things [10:22] mysticalzero: hmm.. I had that problem once [10:23] [previous install, where I had both kde and unity] === xsec6 is now known as xsec6_ [10:32] soee: there are some nice latex presentation templates about. [10:33] jussi, will check that to, thanks [10:34] soee: Lyx is a nice tool for latex manipulation ;) [10:40] I'm having trouble installing Kubuntu on an EFI system. I keep getting an error along the lines of 'grub-efi failed to install to /target.' I had gotten regular Ubuntu working, but tried arch and screwed everything up. === cortexA9_ is now known as cortexA9 [11:06] hello [11:06] what's the difference between the two proprietary AMD drivers? [11:06] There is no difference in their descriptions [11:10] hello [11:11] lordievader: are you here? [11:12] some of the applications started using a different language instead of using English [11:12] from the "locale" settings everything looks fine, and the use of different languages seem inconsistent [11:13] for example konsole or dolphin have english menus, but gimp doesn't, and if I use Mercurial from konsole it's in a different language [11:13] how can I fix this? [11:14] in "settings -> country/region & language -> languages" I have 3 preferred languages, with English at the top [11:14] I tried to move them around and restart but that didn't help [11:24] I'll try to restart again [11:26] now gimp it's in yet another language, and everything else seems in english (including mercurial) [11:30] apparently when I added more languages under "preferred languages" things got messed up, and now that I removed everything is ok and it also kept the dictionaries so I can use the spell check for other languages too [11:47] Hi I installed Kubuntu 13.10 and i install bumblebe and i need to now how many fps i have. I was try glxspheres but command not found [11:47] How i can install glxspheres? [13:20] 'Morning all === spawn[dead] is now known as spawn57 === ignacio_ is now known as ignacio__ [14:12] salut a touds === christian is now known as crodriguez [14:21] hello world [14:25] !steam [14:25] Valve have officially announced that they are developing Steam and are working with !ubuntu during their development, see http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/linux/steamd-penguins/ for further details, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Valve for install instructions, you can also join #ubuntu-steam for discussion. [14:37] hello all [14:37] what does it mean when I press right-click to bring up a context menu, and I get just a dark panel [14:37] or when I launch a Konsole, and all I get is a dark panel [14:37] or when I hit alt-` to bring up yakuake, and I don't see any panel at all [14:37] ? [14:37] how can I figure out if this is bad RAM [14:55] morning BluesKaj === dziegler is now known as dziegler_off [15:01] Sounds more like a refresh issue with your graphics driver === rafael is now known as Guest94196 [15:57] hi guys, since today flash in youtube doesn't work for me anymore, i've already tried dpkg-reconfigure flashplugin-installer but nothing. any suggestions? [16:01] vey which browser [16:01] veryhappy,^ [16:02] sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer [16:04] BluesKaj: hello all [16:04] what does it mean when I press right-click to bring up a context menu, and I get just a dark panel [16:04] or when I launch a Konsole, and all I get is a dark panel [16:04] <-- GSport has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [16:04] or when I hit alt-` to bring up yakuake, and I don't see any panel at all [16:04] ? [16:04] EvilRoey: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation. [16:04] bah [16:05] use f12 for yakuake [16:05] BluesKaj: dumb suggestions will be ignored [16:09] EvilRoey: Might help to know video card and the driver you're using for it [16:10] don't laugh [16:11] nvidia 8800 [16:11] genii: using the latest nvidia driver from kubuntu Raring [16:11] commercial driver [16:11] genii: ^ [16:11] use f12 for yakuake <-- Yeah so I've re-mapped it to alt-` because it's such an easy combination [16:12] veryhappy, then have fun , if you won't tell us which browser [16:12] F12 works well [16:12] EvilRoey: If you turn off screen effects with alt-shift-f12 does it still do it? [16:13] BluesKaj: i can tell you which browser but it's rather about your dumb suggestion apt-get install flashplugin-installer, because i already have it, in the future read twice. i gotta go now, i'll come back later. have fun [16:13] genii: oh hey! [16:13] genii: I disabled Screen Effects with alt-shrit-f12 [16:13] genii: and now I see menus! [16:14] good riddance [16:14] yeah I was concerned it was bad 12GB of ram [16:14] er [16:14] EvilRoey: Looks like an issue with the nvidia compositing then [16:14] 24GB [16:14] genii: it's fine for a day [16:14] and then starts getting artifact-y. [16:14] so now I'm thinking that it must have been some memory leak in the driver [16:15] *must be [16:15] rather [16:16] genii: how do I get Desktop Effects back? Re-start Plasma? [16:17] FlameReaper: your nick sounds like a skeleton with a burning dick [16:19] is there a way ti utilize the "Windows"-Key (super) to bring up the kde-startmenu ? [16:22] yeah you can assign it a shortcut key [16:26] but it wont take just one key :O so i would have to press "Meta + []" ? is there another way ? [16:26] EvilRoey: The same key combo toggles it on or off. Apologies on lag, trying to eat lunch..... [16:29] genii: I tried re-start it but nothing happens [16:31] someone tell the guys who make updates for kubuntu-backports, to not overwrite lightdm.conf with kdm-greeter [16:32] genii, BluesKaj: can I issue killall plasma-desktop && plasma-desktop to re-initialize the Desktop Effects? [16:32] genii, BluesKaj: will that terminate my KDE session? [16:32] I recall being able to do that before [16:32] it's anoying + makes the user (me), delete lightdm-kdm-greeter, and cause errors on startup, that for normal user would mean dead end [16:33] EvilRoey, dunno [16:33] killall is a drastic command , so most likely ir will [16:35] k [16:35] well the question becomes, what does plasma-desktop spawn such that killing -9 plasma-desktop will end up killing those clients as well [16:37] btw kde crashes when you try to download new widget [16:37] 4.11 [16:42] EvilRoey: I'm pretty sure you don't need to restart plasma. We currently know: A) your menus are blank with standard screen effects enabled ( so if you reboot or restart plasma or re-enable effects by either alt-shift-f12or through system settings it will revert back to that behaviour) B) if you disable effects the menus work. So... the idea would be then to find what part of the nvidia compositing is failing. [16:42] genii: ok [16:42] ( and then probably either make appropriate xorg.conf entries to fix it that way, or revert to an earlier driver where the compositing DOES work) [16:42] how do I dig deeper into that then? [16:43] no idea , i don't muck about with desktop shortcuts on the KB [16:44] EvilRoey: Perhaps pastebin the /var/log/Xorg.0.log ... also if there exists in your home directory a file called .xsession-errors to pastebin that as well [16:45] AFK a bit, more food to finish eating before lunch ends [16:46] ok, thanks genii [16:50] BluesKaj, genii: Also it appears that the Flash plugin for Firefox has crashed and won't come back, doesn't matter if I exit Fx and restart it [16:50] works in Chromium-browser though === dziegler_off is now known as dziegler === mj is now known as mapyth [16:56] EvilRoey: Chromium browser has it's own flash compiled in [16:57] genii: right, I recalled that [16:59] EvilRoey: You could do: ps x | grep flash ...then look for an entry with libflashplayer.so in it, then kill the process by it's pid (the first number in the line from ps ) [17:00] ahaaaa [17:00] right. === dziegler is now known as dziegler_off [17:01] genii: http://pastebin.com/SsQTgTfT [17:02] EvilRoey: So in this case 15253 [17:02] one moment then [17:04] genii: ok I tried that, then re-started Firefox, yet I still see this error (Even though I do not have Flash running as a background process) [17:05] EvilRoey: The error of blank menus , or the error of flash crashed in firefox? [17:10] genii: I assume they are related, but I meant specifically for the Firefox one [17:16] Good evening. [17:56] KDE saves my display configuration somehow so if I adjust xorg.conf differently, KDM shows up correctly following xorg.conf, but when I log in KDE applies other settings ignoring xorg.conf [17:56] how can I stop KDE from messing with my display settings all together? [17:57] (I know it's KDE doing it, because if I `mv .kde .kde-outoftheway` and log back in, my display settings aren't changed and it follows whats in xorg.conf === root is now known as Guest61680 [17:58] moparisthebest: It's possible you are restoring a session in which the resolution was something different [17:58] that sounds right, I do like it keeping a record of what I had open and such, but i'd prefer it not mess with my resolution, any way to avoid that? [17:58] if its all or nothing i'd rather never resume a session then [18:01] moparisthebest: Maybe set it how you like , including correct resolution and whatever apps open you prefer, then manually save session [18:02] that's the problem, it's a laptop, i have a dock at home and one at work, and sometimes i use it without a dock [18:03] thats 3 different monitor setups, and so without moving .kde out of the way and losing EVERYTHING, my screen is blank after i log in === spawn57 is now known as spawn[dead] [18:07] how do KDE sessions work? can I have multiple of them that I can choose from on login or something? [18:17] moparisthebest: what kubuntu version? Since 13.04 we use kscreen which saves the session dependent on attached monitors [18:17] somewhere in ~/.kde/share/apps/kscreen/ === soul is now known as Guest71666 [18:20] oh, that sounds nice, I was going to script it if I could stop KDE from managing it for me without my consent [18:20] unfortunatly i'm still on 12.04 LTS [18:20] i need it to be super-stable :/ [18:27] moparisthebest: hm, the older application is krandr which has ~/.kde/share/config/krandrrc [18:27] and some startup stuff in /usr/bin/startkde [18:29] anyone user here who have a mpv deb package wih statically linked ffmpeg and libass? compiled on 13.04? [18:31] $ cat .kde/share/config/krandrrc [18:31] [Display] [18:31] ApplyOnStartup=true [18:31] hmm, looks like a good candidate to change to 'false', thanks for the pointer yofel === dziegler_off is now known as dziegler === dziegler is now known as dziegler_off [19:19] Firefox is giving me issues with some websites. I am not sure why. ReKonq, Chromium are fine. Here is a shot of a Google results page: http://snag.gy/6E2VZ.jpg [19:19] Would appear to be a font issue but not sure what [19:22] Anyone know of a way to force KDE's display settings to not extend the desktop but to mirror or clone? It seems like each TV I connect my KDE box up to by default extends rather than mirrors :( [19:28] x05h: That should be configurable in SystemSettings. [19:29] anyone else here getting just into busybox when trying to boot 13.10 beta 1 install media in uefi? [19:39] DarthFrog: Yeah, but it's like it sets up a profile for each TV, so every new TV I connect it to I have to go in and configure it. [19:42] x05h: Perhaps put it in as a feature request to the KDE boys? === thelionroars is now known as thelionsleeps [20:15] DarthFrog: Thanks for your help [20:16] You're welcome. [20:24] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6094134/ what's the problem? [20:25] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6094162/ and this. I to do configuration raid [20:27] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6094174/ [20:28] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6094182/ === dziegler_off is now known as dziegler === thelionsleeps is now known as thelionroars === dziegler is now known as dziegler_off [22:21] libtaskmanager4abi4 : Depends: libprocesscore4abi1 (= 4:4.11.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu13.04~ppa1) but 4:4.11.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu13.04~ppa1 is to be installed [22:22] Any way to fix? [22:22] I realize I am using the kubuntu ppas, but i would think having a very minor version newer wouldnt pose an issue [22:22] its for a plasma widget [22:22] Im trying to use a wildcard * to install all plasma widgets [22:23] I do have a couple kde bits from 13.10 but those arent the problkem and that was for something else [22:26] TsarObomba: Find the libtaskmanager4abi4 deb file in the /var/cahe/apt/archives directory, then do dpkg -i --force-depends on it [22:26] With sudo, of course. [22:27] that plasma widget needs to be rebuilt against the new libtaskmanager, what's the package name? [22:29] genii: k [22:29] TsarObomba: Also perhaps let yofel know what the widget name it's trying to install at the time is as well [22:30] shouldnt matter, same pkg of pastebinoit [22:30] woops [22:30] wrong channel [22:50] dang genii quit [22:51] yofel: you want it [22:51] plasma-widgets-smooth-tasks [22:51] ah ok, that one. [22:51] I forced installed the libtaskmanager thingy [22:51] but i get this now [22:51] plasma-widget-smooth-tasks : Depends: libtaskmanager4abi4 (>= 4:4.10.90) but it is not going to be installed [22:51] thank, I'll make sure it gets rebuilt [22:51] *thanks [22:51] yofel: how soon? [22:51] will take a few hours [22:51] do you use a hudson type system for rebuilding? [22:52] (rebuilds android devices that way) [22:52] not sure how package managers do it === dziegler_off is now known as dziegler [22:52] if you showed me how, i could rebuild it now [22:52] I have a VERY powerful buildbox [22:52] well, the launchpad archive does work kinda like a CI, you upload a package and it builds and publishes it [22:53] you don't have access to the PPA though ;) [22:53] FX8350 8 core, 32GB ddr3, with 5.2TB raid0 and two 256GB ssd's for my building [22:53] that sucks [22:53] + launchpad doesn't accept binary uploads [22:53] right [22:53] but couldnt i grab the spource [22:53] and rebuild it myself? [22:53] sure, like: [22:54] i have all the normal, build tools [22:54] apt-get source plasma-widgets-smooth-tasks [22:54] apt-get build-dep plasma-widgets-smooth-tasks [22:54] for building l,ots android stufff, etc [22:54] ooh, ok [22:54] cd plasma-widgets-smooth-tasks-* [22:54] i never used those fancy tools [22:54] dpkg-buildpackage [22:54] in all these years [22:54] ok [22:54] that will output a pkg? [22:54] and you'll have a new .deb [22:54] yofel: how can i set a -jX? [22:55] cause im ghonna use the buildbox [22:55] dpkg-buildpackage -jX [22:55] thx [22:55] you should run that on the system that has the PPA enabled, otherwise you'll need a chroot [22:55] ummmm [22:55] i can enable it on both [22:55] they both are kubuntu [22:55] and both could use it [22:56] yofel: you know what someone needs to do [22:56] overhaulk how ppas and launchpad work with apt-get update [22:56] I download over 90MB of crap from apt-get update and tons of hits to launchpad, cause of all my ppas [22:56] ppas should be all in one hit somehow to launchpad [22:56] get it? [22:58] that would be a bit of a problem really. If you put all packages into the same list, you can't have different set of packages with different dependencies [22:58] the launchpad archives are so small that apt doesn't cause much traffic really [22:59] eh, i guess [22:59] it jiust takes awhile to update local repo list [22:59] i could envision a better setup [22:59]