[00:23] <peter__> hi
[00:27] <peter__> i did "sudo apt-get remove -purge openjdk-7-jre" it looks up the dependencies and does everything to remove the package
[00:27] <peter__> but in the same process it ask to install openjdk-6-jre instead
[00:27] <peter__> why is that?
[00:28] <peter__> (im just trying to get rid of everything "java" to do a complete reinstall ov java)
[00:28] <peter__> -v +f
[00:35] <peter__> anyone? i find it quite puzzling that a remove command will lead to a package install
[00:35] <peter__> is this a lubuntu specific behaviour?
[00:36] <peter__> im a beginner...iam at this for 6 hours now....im quite frustrated
[01:00] <nitus> hi. trying to install lubuntu 12.04 on an old inspiron 2200 -- the livecd locks up while loading. so does the installer
[01:01] <nitus> so does alternate and mini
[01:01] <nitus> what could it be?
[01:01] <phillw> peter__: why did you want to issue the command?
[01:01] <peter__> phillw, like i said to remove the opejkd-7-jre
[01:02] <phillw> nitus: please check that the ISO you downloaded is not corrupt and ensure the CD / DVD / USB has an uncorrupted version. The installer does work.
[01:03] <nitus> I've tried three discs and a usb install, all of which work fine on other machines
[01:03] <peter__> i had the freezing issue myself btw....using the alternate iso did it for me
[01:04] <nitus> even mini froze on me
[01:04] <nitus> somewhere it's doing something that inspiron just can't abide
[01:04] <phillw> peter__: wht do need to remove it?
[01:04] <phillw> *why*
[01:06] <peter__> philw: because im not getting the java web starter component running. so iwas going for a complete uninstall of java....then reinstall
[01:06] <nitus> ah I tried different boot methods and now lubuntu gives me the error: firmware file "b43-open/ucode5.fx" not found
[01:06] <nitus> then download instructions, not very helpful while locked up during boot
[01:07] <nitus> hmm, maybe if I just disable the wifi card in bios.
[01:07] <peter__> actually not true....java also doenst work properly on running -jar files as well
[01:07] <phillw> nitus: that may point to  PAE not being supported on that computer.
[01:08] <nitus> it isn't which is why I'm using 12.04. I recognize it as a reference to the broadcom wifi driver
[01:09] <phillw> nitus: I'm not too sure with inspirion, but https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu-fake-PAE
[01:09] <phillw> will explain further as to which machines it can be of use on.
[01:09] <nitus> yeah thanks, not the problem here
[01:10] <nitus> 12.04 doesn't require pae-enabled chip
[01:11] <nitus> I've installed it on a number if non-pae laptops so far, celeron m or pentium m
[01:11] <phillw> nitus: it was the last release from lubuntu that did not. However, it is not an LTS from lubuntu
[01:11] <nitus> no issues
[01:11] <nitus> but the error message clearly refers to the wifi driver
[01:12] <phillw> nitus: that is a driver issue, there is little we can do if providers do not make drivers available :'(
[01:13] <nitus> yeah I didn't see that error message before checking all the "other options" options
[01:14] <phillw> nitus: the best place to head? http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=336 read the FAQ and also feel free to register and ask on that area.
[01:15] <nitus> but is locking up the installer for no evident reason the provider's fault?
[01:15] <nitus> I know exactly where to get the drive for that card, and theinstaller is working fine with it disabled in bios for now
[01:15] <phillw> nitus: on standard installer or alternate?
[01:16] <nitus> I went back to standard since I now know the problem was just the wifi driver. with it disabled everything is working good
[01:16] <nitus> once installed I can just install the driver and turn it back on in bios
[01:17] <phillw> nitus: lubuntu is the only flavour that supports both.  As you have a solution for your machine, please do post it up so that anyone following you can follow it.
[01:19] <nitus> I wonder why there's no error message in the other installer modes? I think it may have just been the odd color scheme when you turn on all the "other modes" . .. you know, it goes sort of light blue. the error message was a slightly different shade of blue
[01:20] <nitus> so maybe it was always there but the same color as the background, hence invisible
[01:21] <phillw> peter__: I've not done java stuff for a couple of years now. The restricted-extras for 13.10 has been in flux, but it should be somewhat settled now.
[01:21] <nitus> phillw yeah I will do so as soon as I get everything up and running, so I can be sure to provide the correct details
[01:24] <phillw> nitus: I've been running 13.10 since alpha one, there is a bug which the boss will not fix for us updating. His time is better spent else where. I have my separate /home partition, I just need to re-install my extra apps :D
[01:24] <peter__> phillw:  im on 12.04....ok, i wasnt expecting being walked through a java install. but could you clear this up: an apt-get remove command shouldnt lead to a package being installed?
[01:24] <nitus> this is not the first time I've had issues with the installer locking up due to device issues. I had it fail with a defective hdd, even on the livecd it would fill a page of errors trying to scan the device and then dump me in to a text prompt, um, intrarefs or whatever it's called.
[01:25] <nitus> I know it's issues lubuntu inherited from parent distros
[01:25] <nitus> but why does livecd even care about the hdd?
[01:25] <peter__> philw:im a complete beginner but this is just completlely strange, right?
[01:25] <phillw> peter__: if there are applications that have depends on, then yes.. it will try to re-install.  Again, please give me a few minutes to look this issue up.
[01:27] <peter__> phillw: oh, ok i didnt know that
[01:27] <peter__> thx
[01:28] <nitus> this laptop only has a 512 stick but the installer is very laggy and choppy. maybe I should have used alternate
[01:29] <phillw> peter__: I cannot find it immeadiately, but if you remove certain packages that *buntu needs to have (called required) then the system will try to find an alternative.
[01:29] <phillw> nitus: indeed, you should of :)
[01:30] <nitus> I gave slitaz a go when I thought lubuntu wouldn't work, but I had to conclude that it would be too difficult for my friend to use. you have to do too much manually
[01:30] <phillw> nitus: or even the minimal route
[01:30] <nitus> lubuntu once I configure it is easy for any newb
[01:31] <nitus> phillw if it completes I'll be ok
[01:32] <peter__> phillw: ok, thx im happy with any answer at this point - that sounds somehow assuring!
[01:32] <peter__> ;)
[01:32] <phillw> nitus: lubuntu will go pretty low on resources, if the alternate install still needs too much for web browsing, there is xombrero in the 'non-official' apps area
[01:34] <nitus> it *should do ok on 512mb, but every machine is different. always assuming it makes it through the install ;p
[01:35] <peter__> phillw: might i issue another probaly too basic beginner question, i actually have hopes it might be easy to answer
[01:35] <nitus> peter what's your issue?
[01:37] <phillw> !ask | peter__
[01:37] <ubottu> peter__: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience
[01:37] <peter__> nitus: i did use the alternate install and the debain-based-installer aks you to make an account...basically just used for an email account
[01:38] <peter__> it supposed to use your real name here.....after that it asks to make your actualy user account
[01:38] <nitus> I usuallly find irc is better as you can get details or follow up, but the forum post stays there long enough for multiple answers
[01:38] <nitus> peter a user account you mean?
[01:39] <nitus> I could be wrong but I think in OEM mode it doesn't
[01:39] <peter__> well...i know have that (outdate i assume) email account as a regular user account on the graphical login screen
[01:39] <peter__> is that normal behaviour?
[01:39] <nitus> I'm not sure what you mean by email account
[01:40] <nitus> I've used all the different installers and they just want  user account
[01:41] <phillw> nitus: yes, all installers requires a person.
[01:41] <peter__> sorry for my typos and poor english...iam at this for far too long now
[01:41] <phillw> you have to say who the person is, so it knows where to save the data attributed
[01:43] <phillw> peter__: get some rest, feel free to 'ping' me (just put phillw as part of a message)
[01:43] <peter__> phillw: right, it asks me to put in my name ( real name suggested because it will only be used for emails mostly it says) and then it asks me to set up the normal user account
[01:43] <peter__> BUT: now i have to user accounts on my log in screen....that email thingy and my normal user/ computer account
[01:44] <phillw> peter__: put in what you are happy with, but do keep a record of both name and password
[01:45] <phillw> 'real name' means nothing, it is trying to set up your account.
[01:45] <nitus> locked up. now I think this must be the mini install as it says "ubuntu" on the menu
[01:46] <nitus> I was looking for alternate but mini will suffice
[01:46] <phillw> nitus: I'm heading for bed (02:46 here), feel free to give me a poke later
[01:47] <peter__> phillw: is it normal that i end up with two accounts in the graphical login screen after install?
[01:47] <nitus> not unless you create two ;p
[01:48] <phillw> peter__: it depends if you have added lubuntu to one existing system, or have installed it from fresh. If the latter, then yes, there will be two accounts set up for you.]
[01:48] <peter__> ok, i guess ill do a reinstall and just leave this email stuff blank
[01:48] <nitus> I honestly don't know what email stuff you are talking about
[01:49] <peter__> nitus: i know, i know.....i can find it anyhwere on the help pages as well...i always end up with stuff like that
[01:49] <peter__> enough of it! thanks to both of you
[01:49] <peter__> ;)
[01:50] <phillw> peter__: you will see guest and your user name.. select your user name and enter the password. Next time you reboot, it will default to the name
[01:50] <peter__> thanks for ypur patience and good will
[01:50] <nitus> it asks for root credentials and a user afiak
[01:51] <peter__> phillw: oh well...ok, i have 3 accounts then your  right i also have a guest account...i forgot hehe
[01:51] <peter__> this is confusing.....i think ill just do a reinstall
[01:51] <nitus> why?
[01:52] <nitus> peter__ it asks for an account name and then a username for the account, but it's the same account
[01:53] <peter__> ok
[01:54] <peter__> i hope i got it then.
[01:54] <peter__> thanks a heap....again :)
[01:54] <nitus> np
[01:55] <peter__> im better getting off this for some sleep now ;)
[01:55] <peter__> bye bye
[07:26] <nitus> ok, I don't know what I changed, but now instead of the standard list of wifi access points in range, it wants me to preconfigure for a single, specific access point
[07:31] <nitus> oh, and it seems to think it's ubuntu
[08:14] <nitus> oh, I see. the repository isn't even in synaptic
[09:49] <DANNN> ok
[09:50] <DANNN> hi guys... i have any problems withs flash! ..... i dont know if... its a grafic card, cpu, adobe or lubuntu problem xD
[09:51] <DANNN> can u help me?
[09:51] <DANNN> how can i discover which is the problem?
[09:54] <bioterror> http://youtube.com/html5
[09:54] <bioterror> try it out with with Chromium/Chrome
[09:54] <bioterror> if it works, it's the flash
[09:54] <DANNN> mmm
[09:54] <DANNN> ok
[10:00] <bioterror> gotta love flash <3
[12:45] <leszek> hi
[17:17] <DANNN> how can i see the use of swap space?!
[17:18] <rosemball> install htop and it shows to you
[17:19] <DANNN> how? software center?
[17:19] <DANNN> repositorys?
[17:19] <Unit193> free -m, but of course
[17:19] <wxl> for that matter cat /proc/swaps and free -m too
[17:19] <Unit193> !software
[17:19] <ubottu> A general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents
[17:19] <wxl> installing htop is useful for other things but totally unnnecessary for that one thing
[17:20] <Unit193> Of course, you can always sudo killall5.
[17:21] <rosemball> learning your way through /proc would be the best
[17:21]  * wxl slaps Unit193 
[19:48] <rosemball> so I installed lubuntu using abnt keyboard layout and now I am using an en_us layout
[19:48] <rosemball> is there a way to change the default layout at boot time, I don't want to have to change it by hand everytime
[19:58] <pepee> the logout menu doesn't work in 13.10, it show an error about dbus and systemd ...
[20:02] <rosemball> graphical error or terminal?
[20:02] <rosemball> if graphical ps it and upload to imagehoster, post link here
[20:02] <cson> Anybody happen to run lubuntu on a thinkpad x100e?  It seems 80% of the time I boot up to a frozen display.  I tried grub changes like i915.modeset=n to no avail.
[20:03] <cson> The fact that it boots up fine the other 20% is what's weird.
[20:08] <pepee> rosemball, this is the error message:   gdbus.error:org.freedesktop.dbus.error.serviceunknown: the name org.freedesktop.systemd1 was not provided by any .service file
[20:09] <pepee> it happens when I press the "suspend" button
[20:10] <pepee> (or whatever it's called, my language is spanish...)
[20:13] <rosemball> ok I understand
[20:13] <gomiboy> rosemball: edit this file: /etc/default/keyboard
[20:13] <rosemball> thanks gomiboy
[20:20] <rosemball> XKBLAYOUT="br" changing this to "en" will do the trick?
[20:23] <gomiboy> rosemball: mine is actually set to "us"
[20:24] <rosemball> ok
[20:24] <rosemball> I used another way, as pointed by the manual
[20:24] <rosemball> dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[20:24] <rosemball> dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
[20:24] <rosemball> these 2 commands should do the trick
[20:25] <rosemball> *did*
[20:41] <pepee> for anyone interested, this is the bug I have:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-session/+bug/1221809
[20:41] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1221809 in xfce4-session (Ubuntu) "systemd-shim removal causes restart to logout" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[20:41] <pepee> systemd-shim is missing..
[20:42] <Unit193> There's all sorts of login/out issues, all flavors.
[22:03] <pepee> installing systemd-shim solved it (error message from the logout menu:  "the name org.freedesktop.systemd1 was not provided by any .service file")