[00:23] <peter__> hi
[00:27] <peter__> i did "sudo apt-get remove -purge openjdk-7-jre" it looks up the dependencies and does everything to remove the package
[00:27] <peter__> but in the same process it ask to install openjdk-6-jre instead
[00:27] <peter__> why is that?
[00:28] <peter__> (im just trying to get rid of everything "java" to do a complete reinstall ov java)
[00:28] <peter__> -v +f
[00:35] <peter__> anyone? i find it quite puzzling that a remove command will lead to a package install
[00:35] <peter__> is this a lubuntu specific behaviour?
[00:36] <peter__> im a beginner...iam at this for 6 hours now....im quite frustrated
[01:00] <nitus> hi. trying to install lubuntu 12.04 on an old inspiron 2200 -- the livecd locks up while loading. so does the installer
[01:01] <nitus> so does alternate and mini
[01:01] <nitus> what could it be?
[01:01] <phillw> peter__: why did you want to issue the command?
[01:01] <peter__> phillw, like i said to remove the opejkd-7-jre
[01:02] <phillw> nitus: please check that the ISO you downloaded is not corrupt and ensure the CD / DVD / USB has an uncorrupted version. The installer does work.
[01:03] <nitus> I've tried three discs and a usb install, all of which work fine on other machines
[01:03] <peter__> i had the freezing issue myself btw....using the alternate iso did it for me
[01:04] <nitus> even mini froze on me
[01:04] <nitus> somewhere it's doing something that inspiron just can't abide
[01:04] <phillw> peter__: wht do need to remove it?
[01:04] <phillw> *why*
[01:06] <peter__> philw: because im not getting the java web starter component running. so iwas going for a complete uninstall of java....then reinstall
[01:06] <nitus> ah I tried different boot methods and now lubuntu gives me the error: firmware file "b43-open/ucode5.fx" not found
[01:06] <nitus> then download instructions, not very helpful while locked up during boot
[01:07] <nitus> hmm, maybe if I just disable the wifi card in bios.
[01:07] <peter__> actually not true....java also doenst work properly on running -jar files as well
[01:07] <phillw> nitus: that may point to  PAE not being supported on that computer.
[01:08] <nitus> it isn't which is why I'm using 12.04. I recognize it as a reference to the broadcom wifi driver
[01:09] <phillw> nitus: I'm not too sure with inspirion, but https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu-fake-PAE
[01:09] <phillw> will explain further as to which machines it can be of use on.
[01:09] <nitus> yeah thanks, not the problem here
[01:10] <nitus> 12.04 doesn't require pae-enabled chip
[01:11] <nitus> I've installed it on a number if non-pae laptops so far, celeron m or pentium m
[01:11] <phillw> nitus: it was the last release from lubuntu that did not. However, it is not an LTS from lubuntu
[01:11] <nitus> no issues
[01:11] <nitus> but the error message clearly refers to the wifi driver
[01:12] <phillw> nitus: that is a driver issue, there is little we can do if providers do not make drivers available :'(
[01:13] <nitus> yeah I didn't see that error message before checking all the "other options" options
[01:14] <phillw> nitus: the best place to head? http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=336 read the FAQ and also feel free to register and ask on that area.
[01:15] <nitus> but is locking up the installer for no evident reason the provider's fault?
[01:15] <nitus> I know exactly where to get the drive for that card, and theinstaller is working fine with it disabled in bios for now
[01:15] <phillw> nitus: on standard installer or alternate?
[01:16] <nitus> I went back to standard since I now know the problem was just the wifi driver. with it disabled everything is working good
[01:16] <nitus> once installed I can just install the driver and turn it back on in bios
[01:17] <phillw> nitus: lubuntu is the only flavour that supports both.  As you have a solution for your machine, please do post it up so that anyone following you can follow it.
[01:19] <nitus> I wonder why there's no error message in the other installer modes? I think it may have just been the odd color scheme when you turn on all the "other modes" . .. you know, it goes sort of light blue. the error message was a slightly different shade of blue
[01:20] <nitus> so maybe it was always there but the same color as the background, hence invisible
[01:21] <phillw> peter__: I've not done java stuff for a couple of years now. The restricted-extras for 13.10 has been in flux, but it should be somewhat settled now.
[01:21] <nitus> phillw yeah I will do so as soon as I get everything up and running, so I can be sure to provide the correct details
[01:24] <phillw> nitus: I've been running 13.10 since alpha one, there is a bug which the boss will not fix for us updating. His time is better spent else where. I have my separate /home partition, I just need to re-install my extra apps :D
[01:24] <peter__> phillw:  im on 12.04....ok, i wasnt expecting being walked through a java install. but could you clear this up: an apt-get remove command shouldnt lead to a package being installed?
[01:24] <nitus> this is not the first time I've had issues with the installer locking up due to device issues. I had it fail with a defective hdd, even on the livecd it would fill a page of errors trying to scan the device and then dump me in to a text prompt, um, intrarefs or whatever it's called.
[01:25] <nitus> I know it's issues lubuntu inherited from parent distros
[01:25] <nitus> but why does livecd even care about the hdd?
[01:25] <peter__> philw:im a complete beginner but this is just completlely strange, right?
[01:25] <phillw> peter__: if there are applications that have depends on, then yes.. it will try to re-install.  Again, please give me a few minutes to look this issue up.
[01:27] <peter__> phillw: oh, ok i didnt know that
[01:27] <peter__> thx
[01:28] <nitus> this laptop only has a 512 stick but the installer is very laggy and choppy. maybe I should have used alternate
[01:29] <phillw> peter__: I cannot find it immeadiately, but if you remove certain packages that *buntu needs to have (called required) then the system will try to find an alternative.
[01:29] <phillw> nitus: indeed, you should of :)
[01:30] <nitus> I gave slitaz a go when I thought lubuntu wouldn't work, but I had to conclude that it would be too difficult for my friend to use. you have to do too much manually
[01:30] <phillw> nitus: or even the minimal route
[01:30] <nitus> lubuntu once I configure it is easy for any newb
[01:31] <nitus> phillw if it completes I'll be ok
[01:32] <peter__> phillw: ok, thx im happy with any answer at this point - that sounds somehow assuring!
[01:32] <peter__> ;)
[01:32] <phillw> nitus: lubuntu will go pretty low on resources, if the alternate install still needs too much for web browsing, there is xombrero in the 'non-official' apps area
[01:34] <nitus> it *should do ok on 512mb, but every machine is different. always assuming it makes it through the install ;p
[01:35] <peter__> phillw: might i issue another probaly too basic beginner question, i actually have hopes it might be easy to answer
[01:35] <nitus> peter what's your issue?
[01:37] <phillw> !ask | peter__
[01:37] <peter__> nitus: i did use the alternate install and the debain-based-installer aks you to make an account...basically just used for an email account
[01:38] <peter__> it supposed to use your real name here.....after that it asks to make your actualy user account
[01:38] <nitus> I usuallly find irc is better as you can get details or follow up, but the forum post stays there long enough for multiple answers
[01:38] <nitus> peter a user account you mean?
[01:39] <nitus> I could be wrong but I think in OEM mode it doesn't
[01:39] <peter__> well...i know have that (outdate i assume) email account as a regular user account on the graphical login screen
[01:39] <peter__> is that normal behaviour?
[01:39] <nitus> I'm not sure what you mean by email account
[01:40] <nitus> I've used all the different installers and they just want  user account
[01:41] <phillw> nitus: yes, all installers requires a person.
[01:41] <peter__> sorry for my typos and poor english...iam at this for far too long now
[01:41] <phillw> you have to say who the person is, so it knows where to save the data attributed
[01:43] <phillw> peter__: get some rest, feel free to 'ping' me (just put phillw as part of a message)
[01:43] <peter__> phillw: right, it asks me to put in my name ( real name suggested because it will only be used for emails mostly it says) and then it asks me to set up the normal user account
[01:43] <peter__> BUT: now i have to user accounts on my log in screen....that email thingy and my normal user/ computer account
[01:44] <phillw> peter__: put in what you are happy with, but do keep a record of both name and password
[01:45] <phillw> 'real name' means nothing, it is trying to set up your account.
[01:45] <nitus> locked up. now I think this must be the mini install as it says "ubuntu" on the menu
[01:46] <nitus> I was looking for alternate but mini will suffice
[01:46] <phillw> nitus: I'm heading for bed (02:46 here), feel free to give me a poke later
[01:47] <peter__> phillw: is it normal that i end up with two accounts in the graphical login screen after install?
[01:47] <nitus> not unless you create two ;p
[01:48] <phillw> peter__: it depends if you have added lubuntu to one existing system, or have installed it from fresh. If the latter, then yes, there will be two accounts set up for you.]
[01:48] <peter__> ok, i guess ill do a reinstall and just leave this email stuff blank
[01:48] <nitus> I honestly don't know what email stuff you are talking about
[01:49] <peter__> nitus: i know, i know.....i can find it anyhwere on the help pages as well...i always end up with stuff like that
[01:49] <peter__> enough of it! thanks to both of you
[01:49] <peter__> ;)
[01:50] <phillw> peter__: you will see guest and your user name.. select your user name and enter the password. Next time you reboot, it will default to the name
[01:50] <peter__> thanks for ypur patience and good will
[01:50] <nitus> it asks for root credentials and a user afiak
[01:51] <peter__> phillw: oh well...ok, i have 3 accounts then your  right i also have a guest account...i forgot hehe
[01:51] <peter__> this is confusing.....i think ill just do a reinstall
[01:51] <nitus> why?
[01:52] <nitus> peter__ it asks for an account name and then a username for the account, but it's the same account
[01:53] <peter__> ok
[01:54] <peter__> i hope i got it then.
[01:54] <peter__> thanks a heap....again :)
[01:54] <nitus> np
[01:55] <peter__> im better getting off this for some sleep now ;)
[01:55] <peter__> bye bye
[07:26] <nitus> ok, I don't know what I changed, but now instead of the standard list of wifi access points in range, it wants me to preconfigure for a single, specific access point
[07:31] <nitus> oh, and it seems to think it's ubuntu
[08:14] <nitus> oh, I see. the repository isn't even in synaptic
[09:49] <DANNN> ok
[09:50] <DANNN> hi guys... i have any problems withs flash! ..... i dont know if... its a grafic card, cpu, adobe or lubuntu problem xD
[09:51] <DANNN> can u help me?
[09:51] <DANNN> how can i discover which is the problem?
[09:54] <bioterror> http://youtube.com/html5
[09:54] <bioterror> try it out with with Chromium/Chrome
[09:54] <bioterror> if it works, it's the flash
[09:54] <DANNN> mmm
[09:54] <DANNN> ok
[10:00] <bioterror> gotta love flash <3
[12:45] <leszek> hi
[17:17] <DANNN> how can i see the use of swap space?!
[17:18] <rosemball> install htop and it shows to you
[17:19] <DANNN> how? software center?
[17:19] <DANNN> repositorys?
[17:19] <Unit193> free -m, but of course
[17:19] <wxl> for that matter cat /proc/swaps and free -m too
[17:19] <Unit193> !software
[17:19] <wxl> installing htop is useful for other things but totally unnnecessary for that one thing
[17:20] <Unit193> Of course, you can always sudo killall5.
[17:21] <rosemball> learning your way through /proc would be the best
[17:21]  * wxl slaps Unit193 
[19:48] <rosemball> so I installed lubuntu using abnt keyboard layout and now I am using an en_us layout
[19:48] <rosemball> is there a way to change the default layout at boot time, I don't want to have to change it by hand everytime
[19:58] <pepee> the logout menu doesn't work in 13.10, it show an error about dbus and systemd ...
[20:02] <rosemball> graphical error or terminal?
[20:02] <rosemball> if graphical ps it and upload to imagehoster, post link here
[20:02] <cson> Anybody happen to run lubuntu on a thinkpad x100e?  It seems 80% of the time I boot up to a frozen display.  I tried grub changes like i915.modeset=n to no avail.
[20:03] <cson> The fact that it boots up fine the other 20% is what's weird.
[20:08] <pepee> rosemball, this is the error message:   gdbus.error:org.freedesktop.dbus.error.serviceunknown: the name org.freedesktop.systemd1 was not provided by any .service file
[20:09] <pepee> it happens when I press the "suspend" button
[20:10] <pepee> (or whatever it's called, my language is spanish...)
[20:13] <rosemball> ok I understand
[20:13] <gomiboy> rosemball: edit this file: /etc/default/keyboard
[20:13] <rosemball> thanks gomiboy
[20:20] <rosemball> XKBLAYOUT="br" changing this to "en" will do the trick?
[20:23] <gomiboy> rosemball: mine is actually set to "us"
[20:24] <rosemball> ok
[20:24] <rosemball> I used another way, as pointed by the manual
[20:24] <rosemball> dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[20:24] <rosemball> dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
[20:24] <rosemball> these 2 commands should do the trick
[20:25] <rosemball> *did*
[20:41] <pepee> for anyone interested, this is the bug I have:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-session/+bug/1221809
[20:41] <pepee> systemd-shim is missing..
[20:42] <Unit193> There's all sorts of login/out issues, all flavors.
[22:03] <pepee> installing systemd-shim solved it (error message from the logout menu:  "the name org.freedesktop.systemd1 was not provided by any .service file")