[02:57] <electricprism> is there a way to remove the "dash panel" on my second monitor?
[02:58] <caf4926> I can't seem to see the latest beta1 .iso
[03:21] <caf4926> does anyone have a URL for Saucy beta 1
[05:47] <IamTrying> http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/motherboards/desktop-motherboards/desktop-kit-dccp847dye.html - Why Ubuntu 13.04 is with LiveCD showing all installed but after boot it says "A bootable device has not been detected, please refer to the product guide at http://support.intel.... " same micro pc was installed with windows 7
[05:48] <IamTrying> Intel® Celeron™ 847 (soldered down)
[05:53] <IamTrying> Intel DCCP847DYE - Ubuntu 13.04 is not getting installed permanently but whole liveCD shows installed.
[06:54] <rostam> Hi what is alternate Ubuntu CD? is this a different than for example Ubuntu server? thx
[06:57] <wilee-nilee> rostam, The alternative is now the mini since 12.10 and 13,10 does not have one yet.
[06:57] <wilee-nilee> the mini is a net install
[06:59] <wilee-nilee> I believe though that the mini is called the alternative now
[07:00] <rostam> wilee-nilee, thx
[07:00] <wilee-nilee> no problem
[07:21] <IamTrying> Intel DCCP847DYE - Ubuntu 12.04 64/bit is installed using CD-ROM, but  when i installed Ubuntu 13.04 using USB stick installation was success but was not booting. Is this a installation Media issue ?
[07:21] <IamTrying> Then i would like to test by burning the liveCD of Ubuntu 13.04 to CD-rom
[07:21] <bazhang> IamTrying, is this related to 13.10?
[07:21] <IamTrying> bazhang, YES - i am also testing 13.04 + 13.10
[07:22] <IamTrying> bazhang, comparing the stability specially
[07:22] <bazhang> IamTrying, I see no mention of that in your questions at all
[07:22] <bazhang> IamTrying, the full release is stable, the beta is still beta
[07:22] <bazhang> ie not stable by definition
[07:23] <IamTrying> bazhang, I have 2 of Intel DCCP847DYE . 1 i am installing 13.04 and another 13.10 but all 13.x failed while installing using USB Stick. But 12.04 was installed on both while using CD-ROM media
[07:24] <IamTrying> bazhang, i have my own devices like many USB hardware, they do not work well with previous kernels so i am testing them all to see how stable they are.
[07:24] <bazhang> IamTrying, the iso size is larger than a cd, how are you fitting that on
[07:24] <IamTrying> bazhang, DVD
[07:27] <IamTrying> Intel DCCP847DYE - with CD/DVD or USB stick after installation it fails to boot. But same mini PC with Ubuntu 12.04 get installed and boot perfectly. Whats wrong?
[07:29] <IamTrying> 13.04 and 13.10 is failing still - so something is not right there, where 12.04, i installed 3 time and worked fine.
[07:29] <ikonia> I think you need to explain what you mean by failing
[07:29] <ikonia> what's going wrong ?
[07:29] <ikonia> as saying "failing" gives no direction to look at
[07:31] <IamTrying> ikonia, 1) 13.04 and 13.10 is burned in CD/DVD rom and USB Stick + 12.04 is burned in CD/DVD rom and usb stick 2) i bought 3 x Intel DCCP847DYE 3) now tried to install 13.x, it was installed showing to restart 4) after restarting it does not boot to Ubuntu but showing no media found by pressing boot menu of bios when i select disk it does not find any disk
[07:32] <IamTrying> ikonia, but same PC when i installed same way 12.04 and rebooted simply it started to boot in Ubuntu.
[07:33] <ikonia> IamTrying: how many hard disks are in your machine ?
[07:33] <IamTrying> ikonia, One 32GB
[07:34] <IamTrying> ikonia, while installing 13.x it does not get stuck anywhere, install goes smoothly but after reboot there is no Ubuntu found  in the system, its the problem compared to 12.x and 13.x for this Intel board.
[07:34] <ikonia> IamTrying: when you say "does not find any disk" from the bios, can you please clarify that
[07:34] <IamTrying> timeout - i have to leave for a meeting, and test in the evening. thank you ikonia
[07:35] <IamTrying> ikonia, its like when you have no disk physically your bios shows black screen saying "insert media device to boot"
[07:35] <ikonia> IamTrying: that is incorrect
[07:35] <ikonia> IamTrying: that does not mean it can't see a disk, that means it can't boot that disk so asks you to insert a valid boot media
[07:35] <IamTrying> ikonia, i know you are not getting me. i will take a picture and share later thank you
[07:36] <ikonia> it's fine, I don't need a picture
[07:36] <ikonia> I'm pretty sure this can be resolved, or a correct bug logged to get a simple fix in
[07:36] <IamTrying> ikonia, right insert a valid boot media something like that was saying.
[07:36] <ikonia> IamTrying: that normally means there is no boot loader on the disk
[07:36] <IamTrying> ikonia, it was not showing while 12.x installed went all smoothly.
[07:37] <IamTrying> ikonia, OK so the iso to media was corrupted
[07:37] <ikonia> no
[07:37] <ikonia> I did not say that
[07:37] <ikonia> IamTrying: let me know when you are back/have time and I'm pretty sure this can be worked through
[07:38] <IamTrying> OK - ikonia, thank you so much.
[07:40] <peter0911> any help on current issue with login on saucy
[07:50] <ikonia> with such a detailed description.....no
[07:51] <peter0911> hi - new on irc, stumbling around a bit. I am getting to the login screen but just see a white ubuntu logo.
[07:52] <peter0911> The drum roll happens and I can get to a terminal with control-alt-F2
[08:10] <eagles0513875> hey guys im getting an instant crash of eclipse when launching here is the error log
[08:10] <peter0911>  /boot/
[08:11] <peter0911> any help here?
[08:12] <eagles0513875> here is the error log guys any help would be greatly appreciated http://pastebin.com/nynj1gij
[08:29] <peter0911> quit
[08:56] <peter0911> can anyone help - I have a login problem this morning - only getting a white ubuntu logo on the login screen. Get a drumroll and can get a terminal with cntrl-alt-f2.
[09:10] <eagles0513875> peter0911: sadly its very quiet in here
[09:11] <eagles0513875> im having a java issue which seems to be rather nasty
[09:11] <peter0911> yes - my first time here - is it normally this quiet?
[09:19] <eagles0513875> peter0911: its still early in some places it will pick up as teh afternoon rolls in
[09:19] <eagles0513875> you just have to be patient
[09:19] <peter0911> ahh - ok - going to have to survive without a gui for a while longer
[09:24] <eagles0513875> peter0911: what exactly is the issue
[09:30] <peter0911> when I boot all goes ok, but the login screen does not show available users and a password entry box - it just shows a white Ubuntu logo. I suspect the rest of the system is OK, just I cannot login.
[09:32] <eagles0513875> peter0911: you tried booting with a different kernel
[09:32] <ikonia> peter0911: can you take a screen shot of this
[09:32] <ikonia> eagles0513875: why would a kernel matter ?
[09:32] <ikonia> eagles0513875: how does the kernel interact/setup the login screen ?
[09:34] <ikonia> hello ?
[09:34] <peter0911> Not tried a screen shot - it is simple - the orange boot background - with a white ubuntu logo in the center. The drumroll finishes, the ubuntu boot animation has gone, so I think the system is to all intents up.
[09:35] <ikonia> am I missing something, something why are you suggesting a different kernel
[09:35] <ikonia> peter0911: what install image did you use, can you share it and I'll test it on a machine here ?
[09:36] <peter0911> this was from the latest updates of today, been running for a couple of weeks with everything working OK
[09:36] <ikonia> ok, so you're using current, and it was working before todays updates ?
[09:36] <peter0911> yes
[09:36] <ikonia> eagles0513875: am I missing something, is there something with the kernel ?
[09:36] <ikonia> peter0911: ok, lets take a look
[09:37] <eagles0513875> ikonia: and there were updates to the kernel headers i noticed so if he tries a previous kernel version wouldnt that potentially fix the issue
[09:38] <ikonia> what ???
[09:38] <ikonia> updates to the kernel headers ???
[09:38] <ikonia> what has that got to do with his login manager or even the running kernel ?
[09:38] <ikonia> or am I missing something ?
[09:38] <eagles0513875> that is why im just going ot shut up
[09:38] <ikonia> eagles0513875: was there any reason you suggested this (eg: something you saw/new) or was it just random ?
[09:39] <eagles0513875> ikonia: i have had issues during boot up where the login screen fails to load sometimes after installing new updates
[09:39] <eagles0513875> reverting to a previous kernel somtimes for me had resolved the issue
[09:40] <ikonia> is there any reason you suggested this, eg: any actual real reason
[09:40] <ikonia> eg: is there something I'm missing on why this may work ?
[09:40] <eagles0513875> only past experience but ill just shut up now and go about my business
[09:40] <ikonia> eagles0513875: if there is reason behind it - go for it
[09:41] <ikonia> eagles0513875: I'm just confused at why you think kernel headers would change anything, or why changing the kenrel would change a login display
[09:41] <ikonia> peter0911: did you upgrade from a 13.04 box, or an install of 13.10
[09:42] <peter0911> it was an upgrade from 13.04
[09:42] <ikonia> peter0911: ok,
[09:43] <peter0911> note that I am on the box at the moment - it seems ok - just no gui login available.
[09:43] <ikonia> peter0911: how are you using it currently ?
[09:44] <peter0911> At the non-login screen I can get to a terminal using cntrl-alt-f2
[09:44] <ikonia> peter0911: out of interest, what video card are you using ?
[09:44] <peter0911> radeon#
[09:45] <peter0911> not sure the exact flavour
[09:46] <ikonia> peter0911: have you considerd, for a test, forcing use of the "vesa" xorg module, it will cripple your performance, but it will use a failsafe xorg mode to see if the login screen renderes correctly ?
[09:46] <peter0911> Radeon 4530
[09:47] <peter0911> ok - will do that now - thinks, how do I get to recovery these days, holding shift does not work.
[09:47] <ikonia> just hange the xorg driver to "vesa"
[09:47] <ikonia> "change"
[09:48] <eagles0513875> peter0911: runlevel 1 if im not mistake unless they changed it to where the recovery console doesnt pop up
[09:49] <peter0911> sorry - what do I do during boot ... did not understand you - how would I make it run level 1
[09:49] <ikonia> you don't want single user mode
[09:49] <ikonia> you just want to change the xorg driver to vesa
[09:49] <eagles0513875> ikonia: isnt that what the recovery console is?
[09:49] <ikonia> he doesn't want the recover console
[09:50] <ikonia> he wants to change the xorg module to vesa
[09:50] <peter0911> There is no Xorg.conf defined
[09:50] <ikonia> make one
[09:51] <peter0911> well just out of interest - how do I get to the recovery console - it used to be 'hold down the shift key' :-)
[09:52] <eagles0513875> was wondering about that myself yesterday actually peter0911
[09:52] <ikonia> not aware that its changed, worth checking though
[09:54] <peter0911> ok - there is an xorg.conf.failsafe - which uses the vesa driver - I'll go off line and try that.
[09:58] <peter0911> back - no success
[09:58] <peter0911> same issue
[10:12] <peter0911> just to summarize, after an update this morning I boot to a login screen which contains just a white ubuntu logo, no login boxes etc. The system appears to be running OK. I hear the login drumroll etc, and can use a termain through cntrl-alt-f2
[10:16] <eagles0513875> ikonia: this sounds like something is up with gdm no?
[10:34] <peter0911> Hi, now back in after a login problem. It appears to be a driver issue. I can get in by booting strainght through from recovery mode. However I am not using the correct driver.
[10:36] <peter0911> currently have the vesa driver
[10:48] <peter0911> How to get the Radeon driver back up and running?
[12:41] <unknown__> If i upgrade from 12.10 my skype 12.04 will still work?
[12:42] <unknown__> from 12.10 to 13.10 ***
[13:13] <Yu-Yu> Hi! Does anyone use a2dp headset with Ubuntu 13.XX successfully?
[13:20] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[13:21] <Yu-Yu> Hi there.
[13:32] <Ari-Yang> I have a question... will ubuntu 13.10 be using Mesa 9.2? (from git) so people can utilize UVD?
[13:32] <Ari-Yang> if it won't, what version will it be using?
[13:54] <rostam> HI is the toolchain version has changed from LTS 12.04 to LTS 12.03 update 3?thx
[14:13] <Yu-Yu> This channel is getting much more questions that people can answer.
[15:01]  * yofel off to work, bbl
[15:01] <yofel> nvm that
[17:11] <SuperLag> Can you still do Natural Scrolling with a mouse in 13.10? If so, how do you enable it?
[17:12] <SuperLag> BluesKaj: figured out what you meant with putting dropboxd in the startup apps. Much better. *sigh*
[17:14] <SuperLag> haha, just read Yu-Yu's earlier comment about the channel getting more questions than people can answer :)
[17:22] <unknown_1> Can i download skype on ubuntu 13.10?
[17:27] <genii> !info skype saucy
[17:28] <genii> Lies. It's in the partner repository, and yes, it installs
[17:32]  * SuperLag has Skype on Saucy
[17:32] <SuperLag> works great
[18:10] <fak3r> I'm running saucy x86_64, how can I install ia32-sun-java6-bin (or any 32-bit java)
[18:21] <fak3r> (was cut off...) how can I install a 32-bit java on saucy? Don't see it in any repo
[18:22] <yofel> fak3r: you can install openjdk-7-jre:i386
[18:27] <fak3r> yofel: thanks, don't see that in the repos though, so just find it and dnld it manually, then set JAVA_HOME in a script?
[18:27] <yofel> fak3r: it is in the repos
[18:27] <yofel> you can install any 32bit package by appending ':i386' to the package name
[18:27] <yofel> (as long as multiarch is enabled)
[18:29] <fak3r> ah, so I install multiarch-support, then I can install the java with :i386 to get a 32 bit version.
[18:29] <fak3r> awesome, thanks
[19:38] <Doomhammer> does an unstable livecd exist with kernel 3.10 or later and bcache support?
[19:43] <genii> !daily
[19:44] <Doomhammer> genii, thanks! i'll take a look at it and see if it has what I need :)
[20:17] <unknown101> How can i install skype on ubuntu 13.04?
[20:20] <IdleOne> !skype
[20:20] <IdleOne> hmm
[20:20] <genii> known101: Add the partner repositories, then it becomes available to install from Software Centre
[20:20] <IdleOne> there it is
[20:20]  * genii feeds IdleOne cookies
[20:21] <IdleOne> chocolate chip?
[20:21] <genii> Sorry, all i have is oatmeal!
[20:34] <pepee> I get this error when pressing the "suspend" button in the logout menu in lubuntu 13.10: gdbus.error:org.freedesktop.dbus.error.serviceunknown: the name org.freedesktop.systemd1 was not provided by any .service file
[20:38] <brainwash> pepee: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-session/+bug/1221809
[20:39] <brainwash> the package "systemd-shim" is missing on your system, right?
[20:40] <johnjohn101> 5 more weeks until 13.10 is out. getting close, i can't wait
[20:41] <pepee> thanks brainwash
[20:41] <pepee> yeah, it was missing
[20:42] <brainwash> you should add a comment to the bug report
[20:44] <brainwash> there's another bug report I actually didn't check yet
[20:44] <brainwash> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd-shim/+bug/1196752
[20:51] <pepee> brainwash, gotta test it... sadly, suspend gives me a black screen, so I gotta close everything before doing it :/
[20:51] <pepee> brb
[20:51] <fak3r> what is the best Evernote (compatible) client for Ubuntu?
[21:06] <SuperLag> fak3r: logging in to the web interface
[21:07] <fak3r> SuperLag: yep, that's what I'm doing currently, it lacks the polish of the native OS X app
[21:07] <SuperLag> Has it been officially decided if Ubuntu is going to a rolling release model, or not? or is it still up in the air?
[21:07] <SuperLag> fak3r: I wish they'd make a native client, for Ubuntu/Debian, at least.
[21:08] <SuperLag> fak3r: I understand they may not have the resources/demand to do it for every distro... but it sure would be nice if they did it for the one that'd get the most traction :)
[21:16] <amblin> anyone know if ubuntuone nautilus integration being missing in saucy is a known issue?
[21:18] <wilee-nilee> amblin, It's not a release yet.
[21:19] <amblin> understand that, wondering if it's a known bug or feature lacking or something local to me
[21:56] <pepee> yeah brainwash , that fixed it, thanks
[22:13] <pepee> brainwash, could this be related?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/1195256
[22:14] <IcemanV9> just installed Beta 1 ... chromium opened without address bar! i've searched the google for answers. ctrl+L does not bring up the address bar. is there another shortcut to bring the address bar back?
[22:14] <pepee> err, I didn't see the duplicate tag..
[22:14] <brainwash> pepee: yes, it's a duplicate
[22:16] <brainwash> so the question is, why doesn't the package "systemd-shim" get installed when upgrading to 13.10?
[22:16] <brainwash> why is the dependency missing
[22:16] <brainwash> looks like this issue isn't getting the needed attention
[22:18] <brainwash> IcemanV9: this bug was introduced with the upgrade to version 29 just few days ago
[22:19] <pepee> was that package needed in 13.04?
[22:19] <IcemanV9> any shortcut command to bring it back?
[22:20] <IcemanV9> yep. confirmed. Chromium 29.0.1547.65 Ubuntu 13.10
[22:21] <brainwash> pepee: no, it's related to the switch from consolekit to systemd/logind in 13.10
[22:21] <brainwash> IcemanV9: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1223251
[22:25] <IcemanV9> thx, brainwash. you beat me to it. i see it as i should have check launchpad, too.
[22:25] <brainwash> yes, always worth checking launchpad :)
[23:10] <pepee> ok, so I found yet another bug :P
 systemd-udevd[3901]: failed to execute '/lib/udev/udev-acl' '/lib/udev/udev-acl --action=change --device=/dev/dri/card0': No such file or directory
[23:10] <pepee> that after resuming from suspend-to-RAM
[23:11] <pepee> '/lib/udev/udev-acl' doesn't exist anymore...
[23:16] <binaryhermit> I don't think *buntu has udev anymore...
[23:16] <binaryhermit> !info udev saucy
[23:16] <binaryhermit> ok, ignore me, I'm an idiot
[23:18] <pepee> binaryhermit, anyway, what should I use instead of it?
[23:18]  * binaryhermit isn't sure
[23:20] <pepee> well, I've been upgrading this system since... 11.something or 10.something I think
[23:21] <pepee> so I'm not sure about anything anymore :P
[23:56] <Ari-Yang> I have a question... will ubuntu 13.10 be using Mesa 9.2? (from git) so people can utilize UVD?