| philipballew | jono, I submitted a request for some community funds today and was hopping you could take a look at it in the next day or so if possible. | 02:02 |
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| jose | jono, mhall119: ping | 04:52 |
| dholbach | good morning | 06:51 |
| elfy | hi dholbach | 06:55 |
| dholbach | hi elfy | 06:55 |
| philipballew | dholbach, Hey dude | 07:08 |
| dholbach | hi philipballew | 07:08 |
| philipballew | dholbach, This semester in school I am taking German. It seems like a cool language so far. | 07:15 |
| dholbach | nice... I hope you're going to continue to like it ;-) | 07:16 |
| philipballew | dholbach, Thanks. I'll let you know how it goes! | 07:22 |
| dholbach | :) | 07:22 |
| smartboyhw | dholbach_, the Hack Days are over, and http://developer.ubuntu.com/ isn't updated:P | 12:34 |
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| dholbach | smartboyhw, dpm and mhall119 might be able to answer that | 12:37 |
| dpm | smartboyhw, I'm on it, thanks for the heads up | 12:37 |
| dpm | smartboyhw, we thought if we leave it there for a few days more, we might trick you into contributing to core apps again ;) | 12:38 |
| smartboyhw | dpm, heh | 12:38 |
| cprofitt | morning all | 13:30 |
| mhall119 | jose: pong | 13:32 |
| SergioMeneses | cprofitt, \o | 13:43 |
| SergioMeneses | morning | 13:43 |
| dholbach | dpm, when exactly does the app showdown finish again? | 13:58 |
| dpm | dholbach, Sunday 15th Sept 23:59 UTC | 13:58 |
| dholbach | thanks | 13:58 |
| cprofitt | hey dholbach | 14:03 |
| smartboyhw | cprofitt, nice post | 14:03 |
| smartboyhw | I assume you are running for LoCo Council?:P | 14:04 |
| cprofitt | smartboyhw: No, I am not | 14:04 |
| smartboyhw | cprofitt, ok | 14:04 |
| cprofitt | I am on the Community Council and firmly believe that people should not sit on two councils at the same time | 14:04 |
| smartboyhw | Yeah, CC is enough for you | 14:04 |
| cprofitt | we need to develop more leaders and having people take multiple leadership spots does not help accomplish that goal | 14:05 |
| SergioMeneses | cprofitt, totally agree | 14:07 |
| smartboyhw | SergioMeneses, are you re-applying? | 14:07 |
| smartboyhw | (I think you are one of the people ending the appointment) | 14:07 |
| SergioMeneses | smartboyhw, I dont know, perhaps | 14:08 |
| SergioMeneses | I am still thinking about it | 14:08 |
| smartboyhw | SergioMeneses, sure | 14:09 |
| jose | mhall119: hey, did you know about the app design clinic today? | 14:38 |
| PabloRubianes | jose: I just email you | 14:42 |
| PabloRubianes | :) | 14:42 |
| jose | PabloRubianes: seen it, will respond in a while (connection is super slow atm) | 14:42 |
| PabloRubianes | jose: no rush, I got a mistaken email address | 14:43 |
| PabloRubianes | your old email :P | 14:43 |
| jose | yeah, happens :P | 14:44 |
| elfy | <cprofitt> I am on the Community Council and firmly believe that people should not sit on two councils at the same time - I totally agree with that | 14:48 |
| popey | sabdfl is on two. ☻ | 14:49 |
| smartboyhw | popey, that's an exception:P | 14:50 |
| smartboyhw | Nobody is in more councils then sabdfl | 14:51 |
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| popey | I was on 3 | 14:52 |
| smartboyhw | popey, eh hum, it is "is", not "was" | 14:54 |
| smartboyhw | I don't care for how many councils you *were* in | 14:54 |
| popey | ʘ‿ಠ | 14:54 |
| popey | Golly. That's rude. | 14:54 |
| smartboyhw | popey, nice emoticon:P | 14:54 |
| popey | ok. never mind. | 14:54 |
| smartboyhw | popey, I do care for how many councils you *are* in, and your tech skills are brilliant;P | 14:55 |
| smartboyhw | That's what I care, basically:P | 14:55 |
| mhall119 | jose: I did, yes | 14:59 |
| mhall119 | why? | 14:59 |
| jose | because I wasn't told at all, didn't know about it until yesterday | 14:59 |
| jose | who was hosting it? | 14:59 |
| jose | (I needed the details for the calendar) | 15:00 |
| popey | I did | 15:00 |
| popey | I didnt know we had to tell you. | 15:00 |
| popey | Where is the process for making UoA Hangouts documented? | 15:01 |
| jose | let me grab a link | 15:01 |
| jose | we have https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OnAir/Submissions, although a simple email to onair@ubuntu.com saying 'we'll be doing this at this time and date on uonair, and he will be hosting it' is good enough | 15:02 |
| popey | thanks | 15:04 |
| popey | jose: that one will happen every week | 15:04 |
| jose | what are the nicks of the people who will be in the hangout? so I can add them to the calendar and AirBot can manage questions with them | 15:04 |
| popey | that depends | 15:05 |
| popey | different people each week | 15:05 |
| popey | but me and katie_ initially | 15:05 |
| jose | great, if there are any other nicks participating just let me know a couple days before and it'll be all done | 15:05 |
| popey | k | 15:06 |
| dholbach | jono_, hey hey | 15:13 |
| dholbach | jono_, hanging out? | 15:20 |
| philipballew | jono_, got a minute for a pm? | 15:45 |
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| jono_ | philipballew, sure | 16:12 |
| jono_ | dholbach, hey | 16:13 |
| jono_ | sorry, was in another call, I marked myself as No in the invite | 16:13 |
| dholbach | ah ok | 16:13 |
| dholbach | I didn't check that bit | 16:13 |
| jono_ | bkerensa, where did you FUD blog entry go? | 16:19 |
| jono_ | I don't see it anymore | 16:19 |
| jono_ | bkerensa, http://benjaminkerensa.com/2013/09/10/ubuntu-voice-feedback-market-research is 404ing | 16:31 |
| philipballew | 404! | 16:33 |
| cprofitt | 8? | 16:34 |
| jono_ | 72! | 16:34 |
| SergioMeneses | philipballew, look http://t.co/VdH0DHoLdg | 16:35 |
| cprofitt | Yeah... that works better. | 16:35 |
| SergioMeneses | cprofitt, jono_ \o | 16:35 |
| cprofitt | SergioMeneses: I used to play WoW, but gave it up for Guild Wars | 16:36 |
| jono_ | hey SergioMeneses | 16:36 |
| SergioMeneses | cprofitt, really? that is awesome | 16:36 |
| cprofitt | Yeah... I played on Earthen Ring and led an alliance back in the early days | 16:36 |
| cprofitt | played a paladin, druid and warlock | 16:37 |
| philipballew | I need to get in on these games one day, but have never been able to call myself a gamer. | 16:37 |
| SergioMeneses | cprofitt, :') I am a paladin | 16:37 |
| * SergioMeneses hugs cprofitt | 16:37 | |
| SergioMeneses | btw jono_ are you busy? | 16:37 |
| jono_ | SergioMeneses, a little, what's up? | 16:39 |
| SergioMeneses | pm | 16:39 |
| dholbach | all right my friends - I call it a day | 17:03 |
| dholbach | see you tomorrow! | 17:03 |
| cprofitt | see ya dholbach | 17:03 |
| SergioMeneses | dholbach, see you | 17:04 |
| bkerensa | jono_: It was being flooded with negative comments and also your comments I disliked so I removed it. | 17:58 |
| jono_ | bkerensa, erm, ok | 17:59 |
| bkerensa | jono_: Did you think fanboys were not going to pounce on me when you left that comment yesterday? Clearly you underestimate the bacon effect. | 18:01 |
| jono_ | bkerensa, I don't think the negative comments were because I commented | 18:02 |
| jono_ | I think the negative comments were because people disagree with your viewpoint | 18:02 |
| jono_ | and speaking personally, I would not delete a blog entry because people disagree with me in the comments | 18:02 |
| jono_ | every blog entry I have ever written and people have disagreed strongly with, I have left online | 18:02 |
| jono_ | I think it is important to be accountable for our words | 18:03 |
| jono_ | but it is your blog, your choice | 18:03 |
| jono_ | this is just my opinion | 18:03 |
| cjohnston | 19 | 18:04 |
| jono_ | an example being: http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/12/07/on-richard-stallman-and-ubuntu/ :-) | 18:04 |
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| bkerensa | jono_: Sure I remember that post and like you said its my choice and I think that post needed to go versus explaining why I halted commenting on it. | 18:06 |
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| bkerensa | jono_: plus its not like it disappears completely if I elect to remove it | 18:07 |
| bkerensa | http://bd.summit.net/articles/2013/09/10/benjamin-kerensa-ubuntu-voice-feedback-or-market-research/ | 18:07 |
| jono_ | bkerensa, np, like I said, your blog, your choice | 18:07 |
| jono_ | makes no difference to me :-) | 18:07 |
| jcastro | lol | 18:30 |
| jcastro | come on, that post is crazy | 18:30 |
| bkerensa | jcastro: What you dislike the Steller's Jay? | 18:31 |
| jcastro | "I don't like that Ubuntu is not using Wayland, therefore Ubuntu doesn't listen to users" makes no sense | 18:31 |
| bkerensa | jcastro: why does it make no sense? Have you surveyed users at all to see what they think? I know there was solid support behind using Wayland and it was quite controversial when Mir was announced because Wayland was previously promised (repeatedly even) | 18:33 |
| bkerensa | This is why publicly available feedback from users is good | 18:33 |
| jcastro | because community development is not "run a web poll to see what users think" | 18:33 |
| jcastro | no OSS project works like that | 18:33 |
| cjohnston | meritocracy | 18:33 |
| jcastro | users want stable, high performance, OS that works. | 18:33 |
| bkerensa | jcastro: oh really none? https://dnt-dashboard.mozilla.org/ | 18:34 |
| bkerensa | jcastro: Mozilla takes user feedback on every product it makes and it shapes every product | 18:34 |
| jcastro | If that's Mir or Wayland has _zero_ to do with running a poll | 18:34 |
| bkerensa | so | 18:34 |
| bkerensa | thats absolutely false | 18:34 |
| jcastro | who says we don't? | 18:34 |
| bkerensa | ok | 18:34 |
| bkerensa | no staff | 18:34 |
| bkerensa | who in here has been surveyed by Canonical? | 18:34 |
| jcastro | ok, so basically ... if I convince 10,000 people that Firefox should dump Gecko for blink ... then they'll do that? | 18:34 |
| bkerensa | anyone? | 18:34 |
| jcastro | of course they won't | 18:34 |
| bkerensa | if it had been feedback early very likely | 18:35 |
| jcastro | "Firefox refuses to switch to a different rendering engine, refuses to listen to end users" would be ridiculous! | 18:35 |
| bkerensa | Mozilla is feedback driven | 18:35 |
| bkerensa | and community driven | 18:35 |
| bkerensa | not business not driven | 18:35 |
| bkerensa | Have you read the Mozilla Manifesto? | 18:35 |
| cjohnston | isn't do not track tracking ? | 18:35 |
| jcastro | yes. | 18:35 |
| jcastro | it's like, users want better graphics support | 18:36 |
| bkerensa | cjohnston: Its opt-in based and anonymized | 18:36 |
| jcastro | so we made Mir so we can give them than on every form factor | 18:36 |
| bkerensa | cjohnston: by default Mozilla does not collect any data from users unless they are running nightly and it is always anonymized in any case | 18:36 |
| jcastro | we don't run a web poll to be like "ok what do you all think about doing this?" | 18:36 |
| bkerensa | jcastro: I hardly need the marketing speech | 18:36 |
| bkerensa | :) | 18:36 |
| bkerensa | jcastro: if its what users wanted then why is not one flavor supporting Mir? | 18:37 |
| jcastro | users don't want display servers | 18:37 |
| bkerensa | if its such a great experience and has such great support why has not a single Ubuntu fork considered using it? | 18:37 |
| jcastro | they don't care, they want a working computer | 18:37 |
| bkerensa | oh users dont care? | 18:37 |
| jcastro | the developers make the choice of how best to deliver that to users | 18:37 |
| jcastro | of course not | 18:37 |
| bkerensa | maybe Mac Users that Canonical is trying to target dont care | 18:38 |
| jcastro | you really think my wife cares if she's running X or wayland or mir? | 18:38 |
| bkerensa | but I care about all the software I run | 18:38 |
| bkerensa | I care about the drivers I use | 18:38 |
| jcastro | so run wayland! What's the problem? | 18:38 |
| bkerensa | I care about the networking stack | 18:38 |
| jcastro | I don't really see the problem you're trying to solve | 18:40 |
| jcastro | other than "I don't like mir" | 18:41 |
| bkerensa | jcastro: the problem is unsolvable with Canonical driving Ubuntu | 18:41 |
| jcastro | which is fair enough | 18:41 |
| bkerensa | :) | 18:41 |
| bkerensa | which is why the flavors are the best option for users who want to have a say in their desktop | 18:41 |
| bkerensa | because quite frankly | 18:41 |
| jcastro | ok so let's say I want Xubuntu to switch to KDE. If they don't do that they don't listen to the community? | 18:42 |
| bkerensa | Ubuntu stopped being Linux for Human Beings a long time ago | 18:42 |
| jcastro | dude please. | 18:42 |
| jcastro | you have _zero_ evidence to support that | 18:42 |
| jcastro | other than you don't like Mir | 18:42 |
| bkerensa | How many time has the release time objected to sabdfl pushing stuff into release after freeze? three cycles now? Its been a wreck each time | 18:42 |
| bkerensa | why do development processes exist if Canonical does not follow them | 18:42 |
| bkerensa | where is the meritocracy there? | 18:42 |
| bkerensa | jcastro: Xubuntu switching to KDE? Xubuntu is a XFCE desktop OS | 18:43 |
| jcastro | the people putting stuff in ubuntu have release and quality criteria to pass | 18:43 |
| bkerensa | yes | 18:43 |
| bkerensa | and we have a thing called Freeze | 18:43 |
| jcastro | bkerensa: oh but I want Xubuntu to be the KDE desktop. If they don't listen to me then they're not listening to the community. | 18:43 |
| jcastro | that's basically your argument | 18:43 |
| bkerensa | thats the thing... There is an alternative there where if you want KDE you use Kubuntu | 18:44 |
| bkerensa | and thats why I said flavors are the best option | 18:44 |
| bkerensa | you can use a DE of your choice | 18:44 |
| bkerensa | and still have input that is actually valued | 18:45 |
| jcastro | I don't get how you can claim that input isn't valued | 18:45 |
| jcastro | just because you don't agree with a decision | 18:45 |
| bkerensa | jcastro: when members of the tech board/security team are not even replied to on bugs that alone shows input is disregarded if Canonical is set on doing something | 18:46 |
| jcastro | people get ignored on bugs all the tiem | 18:47 |
| jcastro | it's not a conspiracy | 18:47 |
| bkerensa | jcastro: but members of the tech board which sits high on the meritocratic totem pole should not be ignored | 18:47 |
| bkerensa | otherwise its not a meritocracy is it? | 18:47 |
| jcastro | if it's an issue then surely the person would bring it up on the dev list or something | 18:48 |
| bkerensa | they did | 18:48 |
| bkerensa | and blogged about it | 18:48 |
| bkerensa | and comment on a bug | 18:48 |
| bkerensa | and assigned it to desktop team | 18:48 |
| bkerensa | and desktop team ignored it | 18:48 |
| jcastro | well go yell at them | 18:49 |
| bkerensa | anyways this is pointless conversation... I'm not going to convince you otherwise and your not going to convince me differently | 18:50 |
| jcastro | I'm not trying to convince you of anything | 18:50 |
| bkerensa | jcastro: thats futile... I have been asking them for weeks for release critical stuff for doc and they have not responded | 18:50 |
| bkerensa | whats the point anymore? | 18:50 |
| bkerensa | why do you think I dont want to contribute anymore? | 18:50 |
| jcastro | other than everytime you make something up about us not caring about the community that I am going to call you out on it | 18:50 |
| bkerensa | its a joke to swim against the current | 18:50 |
| bkerensa | jcastro: call me out all day there are plenty of people in the community who feel similarly to the way I do | 18:51 |
| bkerensa | and outside of the community | 18:51 |
| bkerensa | and former Canonical employees | 18:51 |
| bkerensa | lets not pretend like its just me | 18:51 |
| bkerensa | :) | 18:51 |
| jcastro | "I don't like these decisions being made therefore they don't listen to the community" is made up hogwash | 18:51 |
| bkerensa | jcastro: then why are we discussing Firefox not being default next cycle if Canonical listens to the community? | 18:52 |
| bkerensa | the discussion this cycle was overwhelming against changing to Chromium | 18:52 |
| bkerensa | ? | 18:52 |
| bkerensa | exactly | 18:52 |
| jcastro | overwhelming? | 18:52 |
| jcastro | let me guess ... you ran a poll. | 18:53 |
| cjohnston | was it overwhelmingly or the loudest | 18:53 |
| bkerensa | jcastro: OMG did | 18:53 |
| bkerensa | jcastro: the mailing list discussions were also almost all against | 18:53 |
| bkerensa | there were two people who supported it | 18:53 |
| jcastro | dude, no project on the planet makes technical decisions via web polls | 18:53 |
| bkerensa | ok | 18:53 |
| bkerensa | but on mailing lists and at UDS they do | 18:53 |
| bkerensa | and the feedback was against | 18:53 |
| bkerensa | and Jason Warner keeps pushing it | 18:53 |
| cjohnston | I supported it.. but I didn't reply to an email or take a survey | 18:53 |
| bkerensa | despite cycle after cycle of people saying no | 18:54 |
| jcastro | I supported it | 18:54 |
| jcastro | I also didn't vote on the webpoll | 18:54 |
| bkerensa | this is not the first time he has proposed it | 18:54 |
| cjohnston | jcastro: I guess it was just you and me | 18:54 |
| jcastro | probably because tons of people have been asking about chromium | 18:54 |
| jcastro | and it's been brought up since UDS in Belgium | 18:55 |
| bkerensa | I dont see a comment from either of you in the discussion | 18:55 |
| bkerensa | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2013-August/004271.html | 18:55 |
| jcastro | of course not | 18:55 |
| jcastro | because _I don't care_ | 18:55 |
| jcastro | I don't want to care | 18:55 |
| jcastro | that's why I use Ubuntu! | 18:56 |
| jcastro | pick the best browser, I have more important things to do | 18:56 |
| cjohnston | bkerensa: I think we both said that we didn't take a poll, and I said that I didn't email... | 18:56 |
| bkerensa | ok | 18:56 |
| cjohnston | I support switching to chromium | 18:56 |
| bkerensa | so you were not involved in the discussion | 18:56 |
| cjohnston | but I don't care what ships default | 18:56 |
| cjohnston | nope.. | 18:57 |
| cjohnston | so.. again.. | 18:57 |
| bkerensa | well the discussion and feedback was mostly not in support of | 18:57 |
| cjohnston | Was it the overwhelming support, or was it the loudest | 18:57 |
| bkerensa | which is why it did not change | 18:57 |
| cjohnston | i.e. the loudest | 18:57 |
| bkerensa | but Jason despite that is planning to push again next cycle | 18:57 |
| bkerensa | if the support wasnt there then drop it | 18:57 |
| cjohnston | the people who supported it have no huge reason to 'debate' the switch | 18:57 |
| cjohnston | 3 | 18:57 |
| bkerensa | mhall119: its interesting to see you in expats? :) Are you using Debian? | 19:01 |
| jcastro | debian rebrands firefox, they don't listen to the community | 19:01 |
| jcastro | See how silly it all becomes? | 19:02 |
| bkerensa | jono: http://www.jonobacon.org/2013/03/18/recent-ubuntu-community-refinements/ | 19:25 |
| bkerensa | did the Leadership Meetings ever start happening? | 19:25 |
| pleia2 | no, CC never followed up with jono to schedule another | 19:26 |
| * pleia2 has been busy this summer :\ | 19:26 | |
| elfy | and the FC often can't make things like that - it took 2 or 3 goes to get us to a CC meeting | 19:27 |
| bkerensa | pleia2: >(<o.o>)< | 19:29 |
| bkerensa | pleia2: would it work maybe at a vUDS as a session? | 19:29 |
| pleia2 | bkerensa: maybe, if we wanted to wait that long for the next | 19:30 |
| bkerensa | :) | 19:31 |
| elfy | you'd not be very likely to get us on a webcam | 19:31 |
| elfy | I mean - for 1/6th of us you have no chance and for the other 5/6th little chance | 19:32 |
| bkerensa | elfy: especially since Google opens up that data to NSA :) | 19:33 |
| elfy | I couldn't care less about that | 19:33 |
| bkerensa | elfy: camera shy? :) | 19:33 |
| elfy | no - I just don't want people to know what I look like - we've had incidents in the past | 19:34 |
| mhall119 | bkerensa: I've been in that channel since it started | 19:48 |
| jono | bkerensa, as pleia2 said we haven't had an opportunity to schedule them, pleia2 would it help if I coordinate one and mail the leadership team as before? | 20:07 |
| jono | pleia2, I think if we get you, some other CC folks, a TB member, LC members etc, that could be fun | 20:07 |
| jono | but I know you are busy | 20:07 |
| pleia2 | jono: yeah, that would at least get the ball rolling so we can start sorting out schedules | 20:08 |
| jono | pleia2, np, maybe we can do it later next week | 20:08 |
| pleia2 | I'm traveling next week, but the following week I should be around | 20:08 |
| jono | pleia2, ditto | 20:08 |
| jono | pleia2, are you at LinuxCon? | 20:08 |
| pleia2 | jono: nah, heading up to seattle for an openstack sprint | 20:08 |
| pleia2 | (get to see lifeless, yay!) | 20:08 |
| jono | pleia2, oh awesome :-) | 20:09 |
| elfy | jono: the trouble with these hangouts is they stop some people participating | 20:10 |
| pleia2 | elfy: we already have fully open community council meetings on IRC, and a mailing list people can mail, the hangout is just another avenue of contacting councils/leaders | 20:11 |
| elfy | I know that | 20:11 |
| pleia2 | so it doesn't really replace participation elsewhere, just supplimental for folks who like video | 20:11 |
| jono | elfy, every communication method stops people participating | 20:12 |
| jono | but we need to pick something to move forward | 20:12 |
| jono | as pleia2 said, this is supplmental | 20:12 |
| elfy | if there's really a want to have a meeting with leaders of different communities then it should be in a way that all will be able to take part | 20:12 |
| cjohnston | jono: you headed to New Orleans? | 20:12 |
| jono | cjohnston, yup | 20:12 |
| pleia2 | not everyone can get on IRC either (company firewalls), or use the forums (content filtering) | 20:13 |
| cjohnston | jono: cool | 20:13 |
| jono | elfy, there will always be something people can't access | 20:13 |
| pleia2 | so while we do have IRC meetings and discussions on email too, there will never be a method that everyone likes and is comfortable with | 20:13 |
| elfy | pleia2: whatever - I'm just saying | 20:13 |
| jono | the only consistent balance for everyone is mail | 20:13 |
| jono | which sucks for meetings :-) | 20:13 |
| elfy | I'm not interested enough to argue the point | 20:13 |
| elfy | just so long as you don't all wander along thinking that google hangouts are the best thing since sliced bread ;) | 20:14 |
| PabloRubianes | timezones suck too :P | 20:14 |
| pleia2 | I guess my point is that we *do* have meetings elsewhere too, everyone is welcome at CC meetings and we now even have specific meetings where we ask leaders from the communities to come chat | 20:14 |
| pleia2 | the leadership hangout is just extra | 20:15 |
| elfy | good lord - please read what I say | 20:15 |
| pleia2 | I don't like hangouts either | 20:15 |
| elfy | it's not a leadership hangout - it's a hangout where some people can participate | 20:15 |
| pleia2 | I give up | 20:16 |
| elfy | so do I | 20:16 |
| IdleOne | Not trying to stir the pot, but I think what elfy is trying to say is that sometimes it feels like google hangouts is the first comminucation method that is being chosen for ubuntu stuff. | 20:18 |
| PabloRubianes | we could use IRC for this meeting | 20:19 |
| elfy | IdleOne: yea - more or less - not very well though, it's the end of a long day :) | 20:21 |
| IdleOne | elfy: I think the point is that there is no one perfect method/time/day. | 20:22 |
| IdleOne | We're all just trying to do our best :) | 20:22 |
| pleia2 | IdleOne: that doesn't even make sense, we have 24 IRC-based community council meetings per year, we've had 1 leadership hangout ever, I don't see how you could reasonably make that argument at all | 20:22 |
| pleia2 | if anything the argument should be that IRC has been our favored communication method and we're excluding folks who can't use it or aren't comfortable with it | 20:23 |
| IdleOne | pleia2: I didn't mean to imply that the CC seemed to default to hangouts | 20:23 |
| elfy | I certainly wasn't talking about CC meetings - but specifically about one - the leadership meetings - which has 100% been done on google hangouts so far :) | 20:25 |
| pleia2 | I guess I don't really make a distinction | 20:25 |
| elfy | the conversation isn't about all of the ubuntu meetings - just the one type :) | 20:26 |
| pleia2 | so that's the issue, I see all CC meetings as pretty much leadership meetings, I've been trying for a couple years to get more people to come to them, part of the reason we have scheduled check-ins with teams now is so people actually come so we can get caught up, so I always saw the leadership hangout as a CC meeting+ | 20:32 |
| pleia2 | rather than its own distinct thing | 20:33 |
| elfy | :) | 20:33 |
| pleia2 | anyone know how to relaunch the touch intro tour after dismissing it? mhall119? | 20:49 |
| pleia2 | (prepping for an Ubuntu Hour tonight were an attendee has a flashed tablet, woo) | 20:50 |
| jcastro | you can mute video on google hangouts btw | 20:55 |
| jcastro | I do it all the time | 20:55 |
| pleia2 | nm, found someone in -touch | 20:59 |
| mhall119 | pleia2: there's a long command you can run to reset it....I don't recall what it is though | 21:00 |
| mhall119 | pleia2: try asking in #ubuntu-touch | 21:00 |
| pleia2 | see above :) | 21:00 |
| mhall119 | ah, cool :) | 21:00 |
| pleia2 | thanks though | 21:01 |
| bkerensa | jcastro: you can mute the video but the voice is still captured and sent to NSA :) | 21:02 |
| bkerensa | g+ is spyware! | 21:02 |
| bkerensa | oh thats right I use g+ | 21:02 |
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