[06:45] <moodoo> morning all
[07:19] <AlanBell> morning moodoo
[07:27] <MartijnVdS> \o
[07:28] <MartijnVdS> \o/ netflix launched in .nl
[07:29] <dwatkins> congrats, MartijnVdS
[07:43] <diddledan> MartijnVdS: is it a ghost town of really naff stuff like it was in the uk when they first launched it?
[07:45] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: it has Doctor Who
[07:46] <diddledan> \o/
[07:46] <MartijnVdS> and Pixar films
[07:46] <MartijnVdS> and lots of well-known TV shows
[07:47] <MartijnVdS> but yeah, I'd expected more
[07:47] <dwatkins> I've been watching Orange is the New Black recently, and Black Books.
[07:47] <dwatkins> No idea if they're likely to be on Netflix-NL, mind you,
[07:47] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: both are
[07:48] <MartijnVdS> Orange is the new Black is the first thing you see when you log in
[07:48] <dwatkins> No surprise, it's their own series.
[08:37] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Hot Cross Bun Day! :-D
[08:38]  * DJones points to Easter being about 5 months thataway ---->
[08:39] <dwatkins> merry summer solstice, JamesTait
[08:40] <JamesTait> DJones, what, we're only allowed to enjoy them at Easter?
[08:41] <moodoo> 15 saturdays left until christmas :p
[08:41] <DJones> JamesTait: I was working on only allowed to punish yourselves with them at easter, horrible things
[08:41] <JamesTait> dwatkins, is it really? Seems a bit early.
[08:42] <JamesTait> DJones, ah, then I can understand your position, even if I disagree with it. ;)
[08:42] <dwatkins> 09:37 < JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Hot Cross Bun Day! :-D
[08:42] <JamesTait> moodoo, SHHHH!
[08:42] <DJones> JamesTait: I don't like sweet things, so that covers anything like that, give me something savoury anyday
[08:43] <JamesTait> dwatkins, OK, I'm with you now.  Coffee hasn't kicked in yet.
[08:59] <dwatkins> ;) I have soup, as I have already had several cups of tea.
[08:59] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:00] <SuperMatt> morning brobostigon
[09:01] <brobostigon> morning SuperMatt
[09:06] <diddledan> is it normal to be working with two laptops and a dual-headed desktop all at the same time? :-p
[09:06] <Monotoko> I have energy drink... have had energy drink since 6 this morning
[09:07] <DJones> Ooh, First ever Doctor who to be broadcast in a restored format
[09:08] <diddledan> Monotoko: I has dietcoke and pepsi max - does that count as NRG drink?
[09:10] <Monotoko> DJones: When? Where?
[09:10] <brobostigon> i just have powerful coffee, that does me fine.
[09:10] <Monotoko> diddledan: I had Monster Ripper saved since I knew I needed to come into the office early...
[09:11] <DJones> Monotoko: Just mentions it on the bbc website http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-24038234 Doesn't give a date that I saw
[09:36] <Monotoko> ... I can't believe that worked
[09:37]  * Monotoko blinks at his computer screen
[09:37] <diddledan> o_O
[09:37] <diddledan> was it awesome?
[09:37] <Monotoko> I just had to install vanilla 3.11 in order to upgrade Debian because our crappy hosting provider give their own custom compiled kernel
[09:38] <Monotoko> my solution was so far out there, and I doubted it would work - but it did without a hitch
[09:39] <popey> diddledan: dunno, i have 3 phones, two tablets, two laptops and a desktop on my desk
[09:39] <diddledan> popey: ooh, good idea, airdisplay from my mac to my ipad for another screen! :-p
[09:40] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:41] <Monotoko> 'morning
[09:42] <DJones> popey: Do you have any empty space on the desk?
[09:43]  * dwatkins has pretty much the same as popey - but with two deskphones, two mobiles
[09:43] <diddledan> I've got two mobiles and a deskphone
[09:43] <diddledan> my tablets are elsewhere
[09:43] <DJones> I thought I was bad with 2 desktops, a tablet & a mobile phone
[09:44] <dwatkins> I 'only' have three tablets, as the other two are being used by colleagues, my desk tends to be used as the charging station (we support mobile apps, too)
[09:47] <Monotoko> I have a movile... a tablet, and a desktop
[09:47] <Monotoko> *mobile
[09:48] <popey> DJones: not at the moment, no
[09:48] <popey> its a bit of a mess today
[09:55] <popey> ali1234 enjoyed this last time.. https://canyoufindit.co.uk/
[09:56] <dwatkins> I think I'd rather do competitions that teach me sysadmin and hacking ;)
[10:33] <andrewebdev> anyone here know the ins/outs of port forwarding on a TalkTalk router?
[10:37] <DJones> andrewebdev: Not one I've had anything to do with, but http://portforward.com/ should have some info
[10:38] <DJones> Probably just a case of finding the manufacturer/model number and searching for it
[10:38] <andrewebdev> well, my issue is somewhat unique
[10:38] <andrewebdev> I'm able to forward a port fine so that someone from the outside can access something
[10:38] <andrewebdev> but I myself, cannot access it
[10:39] <andrewebdev> using the same ip/port
[10:39] <brobostigon> from inside or outside?
[10:39] <DJones> Is that using the external ip address of the machine, some routers force you to use the internal ip address of the machine you want to access
[10:39] <andrewebdev> inside
[10:40] <DJones> I use ssh from inside & outside my network, inside I have to ssh to the 192.168 address, but externally I use the public ip address
[10:40] <DJones> That sounds like the same situation
[10:41] <andrewebdev> ok. It's strange because it makes it difficult to test callbacks from web services
[10:41] <andrewebdev> if I cannot check if my ports are forwarded correctly
[10:41] <dwatkins> andrewebdev: can you ping the machine internally using its local accress on the same subnet?
[10:41] <andrewebdev> yup that's fine
[10:41] <andrewebdev> I can also access it perfectly with http://localhost:8000/
[10:42] <dwatkins> is the ssh daemon running on the standard port, and can you ssh -vvv to it to see if it responds?
[10:42] <andrewebdev> well it's not a ssh port
[10:42] <andrewebdev> or service
[10:42] <DJones> dwatkins: May not be ssh, i used ssh as an example
[10:42] <dwatkins> oh ok
[10:43] <popey> i set my external dyndns hostname in my /etc/hosts file
[10:43] <dwatkins> but yeah, start from the most basic tests to see if it's running where it should be etc.
[10:43] <popey> that way I can use the external hostname internally
[10:43] <popey> breaks when I leave the house of course ☻
[10:43] <dwatkins> I have my server at home giving out its local IP address to local machines, so that I can use its dyndns address internally or externally
[10:43] <andrewebdev> popey, that's not a bad idea actually
[10:44] <popey> so if you go to popey.mooo.com you get my external IP, I get the internal one
[10:44] <AlanBell> my router bounces stuff back to me from inside which is nice
[10:44] <Laney> yeah I set that up
[10:44] <Laney> "port reflection" I think it was called
[10:44] <Laney> or maybe "internal port forwarding"
[10:50] <popey> hmm http://hax.at/text/41
[10:50] <popey> seems fixable via iptables
[10:51] <MartijnVdS> openwrt fixes it using iptables as well I think
[10:51] <MartijnVdS> let me check
[10:52] <MartijnVdS> ah it uses DNAT instead of MASQUERADE for reflection, but similar to that, popey
[10:52] <andrewebdev> popey, does that mean it's a issue on ubuntu or some service on the router?
[10:53] <DJones> Looks like the Sky routers do the same thing via iptables if you telnet into the router
[10:53] <mgdm> Are Sky ones still just rebranded Netgears?
[10:53] <Laney> banshee just took me from Mogwai to songs from Lion King
[10:53] <Laney> jarring
[10:54] <DJones> mgdm: Not sure, I've just got the latest white one replacing an one of the old black ones
[10:54] <mgdm> they at one point were dishing out DG834GTs, I think
[10:54] <MartijnVdS> Laney: at least it's Lion King, not some death/doom metal.
[11:13] <popey> http://hax.at/text/41 didn't work
[11:13] <popey> iptables -t nat -I POSTROUTING -o br0 -s 192.168.144.0/24 -d 192.168.144.0/24 -j MASQUERADE
[11:13] <popey> added that (changing 144 to 1) and rebooted router.
[11:15] <MartijnVdS> popey: what's the router running?
[11:18] <popey> dd-wrt
[11:19] <MartijnVdS> ah.. I don't know how to configure that. On OpenWRT it's a single flag in /etc/config/network or /etc/config/firewall
[11:52] <DJones> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/09/mass-effect-composer-ubuntu-14-04-start-up-sounds
[12:49] <MartijnVdS> popey: office music! http://open.spotify.com/artist/6VsiDFMZJlJ053P1uO4A6h
[12:54] <DJones> Hi toby10ant
[12:54] <toby10ant> Hi
[12:55] <toby10ant> I'm new to the ubuntu community and wondered if anything was happening for ubuntu jam in the uk?
[12:57] <DJones> There should be a couple of people around that can give you an idea of what events/meetings are going on
[12:57] <DJones> I thought there was a web page with a list of events, but can't seem to find it
[12:58] <DJones> Found it http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-uk/events/ However only thing mentioned is a Real Ale Train meetup
[12:58] <AlanBell> hi toby10ant not much happening in real life for the global jam
[12:58] <moodoo> how about this page - http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/
[12:59] <moodoo> lol :)
[12:59] <daftykins> hey all. i've got a bare metal install file server (10.04.4) that i was updating with the latest kernel refresh yesterday. during the "update-grub" run however, it was getting totally stuck to the point i had to kill the process. i found this in dmesg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6092369/
[12:59] <AlanBell> but there are various online activities
[12:59] <moodoo> only the real ale train for the uk at the moment
[12:59] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: that doesn't look good.
[12:59] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: broken disk?
[12:59] <moodoo> toby10ant: hanging around in this channel will help :D
[13:00] <daftykins> the kernel going on was 2.6.32-50-generic-pae - the smartctl output showed nothing wrong with the disk
[13:00]  * AlanBell is going up to London later this afternoon
[13:00] <daftykins> now - i do have a very bad habit of removing the running kernel after installing the new, before i reboot :D but i've never seen this before?
[13:01] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: grub-probe tried to access a device that doesn't exist or takes VERY long to reply
[13:01] <toby10ant> okay, it actually sounded a really cool event, just I don't think I could justify traveeling for it
[13:01] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: so you either need to let it run, or have it skip that device, IF you can find out which device that is
[13:01] <DJones> toby10ant: Wherabouts are you based
[13:01] <toby10ant> Nottingham
[13:01] <moodoo> toby10ant: o/ :)
[13:02] <daftykins> MartijnVdS: there's a single HDD with a large XFS RAID volume, but since it's doing things with GRUB surely it's only on the boot disk?
[13:02] <daftykins> or does GRUB probe every device 0o
[13:02] <moodoo> toby10ant: where abouts?
[13:02] <toby10ant> moodoo: I was thinking of going along to the local linux group, to see what it's like
[13:02] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: grub-probe tries to access a lot of disk-like devices in /dev
[13:02] <davmor2> Man working boston hours in the uk is a killer :)
[13:02] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: and some not in there (using the bios)
[13:02] <moodoo> toby10ant: notts lug is a great bunch of guts.
[13:02] <moodoo> guys
[13:03] <MartijnVdS> moodoo: guys with guts? 8-)
[13:03] <toby10ant> moodoo: guts lol
[13:03] <moodoo> yeah yeah yeah ;)
[13:03] <DJones> moodoo: I think that was deliberate
[13:03] <davmor2> moodoo: I've seen you gut in photos you were right the first time :P
[13:03] <moodoo> davmor2: shush man, toby10ant is new here, don't want to give a wrong impression from a fellow nottingham user
[13:04] <daftykins> MartijnVdS: "sudo update-grub" is sufficient to re-do the process yeah? that's what i was trying a couple of times to see if it'd complete
[13:04] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: yeah
[13:04] <daftykins> ty sir
[13:04] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: there might be a "no probe" command line option
[13:04] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: to stop it from doing BIOS calls
[13:05] <davmor2> moodoo: come on they are linux geeks someone has to keep the beer houses open ;)
[13:05] <daftykins> do you think it was my removing the prior kernel before rebooting into the new that's likely the reason for making it go funny? :D
[13:05] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: no
[13:05] <moodoo> davmor2: lol
[13:05] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: unless you haven't rebooted yet
[13:05] <MartijnVdS> (yay double negatives)
[13:05] <daftykins> i've not no
[13:05] <moodoo> toby10ant: you live in the center?
[13:05] <daftykins> wow it just completed update-grub fine
[13:05] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: then it might be looking for a module to load, and not finding it
[13:06] <toby10ant> moodoo: no i live a bit out
[13:06] <daftykins> i guess its' hissy fit was temporary :D
[13:06] <daftykins> now i just have to see if it'll reboot and survive \o/
[13:06] <MartijnVdS> *\o/*
[13:06] <toby10ant> mooddoo: yourself?
[13:06] <moodoo> toby10ant: calverton
[13:08] <toby10ant> moodoo: so you attend lug meetings much?
[13:09] <daftykins> MartijnVdS: thanks :)
[13:09] <moodoo> toby10ant: not in a while
[13:17] <moodoo> toby10ant: http://nlug.ml1.co.uk/ :)
[13:18] <toby10ant> moodoo: cheers I was thinking of going along to the next meetup :)
[13:20] <moodoo> toby10ant: and perhaps we could arrange an ubuntu hour in one of the local pubs :D
[13:20] <toby10ant> moodoo: perhaps I live in kimberley and don't have a car atm
[13:20] <moodoo> ah ok :)  kimberley ubuntu hour ;)
[13:21] <moodoo> toby10ant: if you're not sure what I mean - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hour
[13:22] <toby10ant> moodoo: that makes more sense!!
[13:24] <moodoo> toby10ant: so go here and buy a tshirt/stickers lol http://shop.canonical.com/
[13:24] <toby10ant> I've actually already got some stickers, from a few years ago on my laptop
[13:24] <toby10ant> :)
[13:25] <DJones> Monotoko: Given you're interest earlier in the Doctor Who comment http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/09/11/doctor_who_50th_anniversary_pic/
[13:25] <moodoo> yay
[13:41] <Azelphur> meanwhile, in Linux, my PCs sound card is broken so I'm using my laptop as a sound card.
[13:41] <Azelphur> pulseaudio <3
[13:45] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: How did you do that?
[13:45] <MartijnVdS> Break a sound card?
[13:45] <MartijnVdS> #blamepulseaudio?
[13:45] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: I have no idea, it just seems to no longer function on my PC, tried it with a live xubuntu disk and everything, pulseaudio says its outputting, but nothing comes out.
[13:45] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: weird!
[13:46] <Azelphur> yea
[13:46] <Azelphur> it's only temporary till my USB headset gets fixed, I killed that too
[13:46] <Azelphur> :<
[13:46] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B000L98002
[13:47] <Azelphur> lol
[13:47] <ali1234> so, cassette tapes
[13:48] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: vinyl records
[13:48] <ali1234> no, cassette tapes. i have one with some old C64 source code on it, which was taped over
[13:48] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: oops
[13:48] <ali1234> i have a theory that since the C64 datasette is mono and the music was taped in stereo
[13:48] <ali1234> then the data should still be present between the stereo tracks
[13:49] <ali1234> albeit in very weak form
[13:49] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: it might be, call the GCHQ to be sure :)
[13:49] <popey> ali1234: thats quite a narrow gap isn't it?
[13:50] <popey> although that tech probably not narrow by modern standard
[13:50] <ali1234> http://matesy.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=55&Itemid=74&lang=en
[13:50] <ali1234> i need one of these
[13:50] <popey> ali1234: did you see the gchq thing?
[13:50] <ali1234> yeah, i'm no good at ciphers
[13:50] <popey> oh, i thought you were
[13:50] <NET||abuse> d
[13:50] <NET||abuse> umm, sorry :P
[13:51] <ali1234> so i was thinking about ripping the read head from a old hard disk, attaching it to a servo, and using it to scan the tape in 2d
[13:52] <MartijnVdS> ghetto forensics
[13:53] <ali1234> i need to know more about cassette recorders though. like does the erase head wipe the whole width of the tape?
[13:54] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: just the half of the side you're recording, I guess
[13:54] <popey> wish I still had some of my old casettes
[13:54] <ali1234> true, so it must be localized
[13:54] <popey> think my mum threw them out
[13:54] <MartijnVdS> I have some of mine, but nothing to play on
[13:54] <AlanBell> if it was mono, but recorded on a stereo recording rig, it probably got recorded as two lines
[13:54] <popey> if it was his own code on a tapedeck, thats less likely
[13:55] <ali1234> AlanBell: that's the thing - the C64 cassette deck is mono, it was recorded over with music on a stereo tape desk
[13:55] <popey> most people used crappy little mono tape decks, especially on c64
[13:55] <ali1234> it was the original datasette, so obviously no need for stereo
[13:55] <AlanBell> plausible then  :)
[13:56] <popey> would it be "easier" to mask the stereo tracks, obscuring them from the reader
[13:56] <popey> so the only 'visible' bit was the central mono remains
[13:56] <AlanBell> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tape_head#Erase_heads
[13:57] <ali1234> well the stereo reader has two heads
[13:57] <ali1234> there's a picture on the wiki from that magview machine, there is a gap between the stereo tracks according to that
[13:59] <AlanBell> I would say that is a lot harder than the awesome teletext recovery
[14:01] <AlanBell> wonder if gordonjcp knows about the stuff ali1234 did on that
[14:01] <ali1234> yeah, i've shown him before
[14:02] <ali1234> "To put this in perspective, the government still has found no one who  can recover the 18-1/2 minute gap in the Nixon Watergate tape. They ran a  test in 2002-2003 with tapes similar to the Watergate tape and recorded  and erased on the same or similar machines. They decided that no one  showed enough promise during these trials to warrant letting them try  the real thing."
[14:03] <ali1234> sounds like a challenge then
[14:03] <ali1234> same page does say data recordings can sometimes be recovered
[14:29] <celestin> any topic?
[14:31] <popey> celestin: hello
[14:34] <ali1234> hmm a floppy drive head might work better
[14:55] <mgdm> Jabber \o/
[14:55] <mgdm> actually I'm going to upgrade that to Jabber + OTR \o/
[15:00] <MattJ> Jabber \o/
[15:00] <MattJ> mgdm \o/
[15:01] <mgdm> \o/
[15:03] <Azelphur> \o/
[15:04] <SuperMatt> me \o/
[15:04] <Azelphur> him \o/
[15:04] <SuperMatt> him? /o\
[15:04] <Azelphur> you \o/?
[15:57] <MartijnVdS> *\o/* ?
[18:42] <mralc> hello uk
[18:45] <mralc> how is everyone?
[18:48] <mralc> i am new to linux and have installed unbuntu on my laptop
[20:08] <ali1234> ok, i solved problem number one: how to wind the tape outside of a tape player
[20:09] <ali1234> with lego
[20:12] <mgdm> cunning
[20:13] <ali1234> hmm... i need more gears
[20:13] <ali1234> these old lego motors do not have gearboxes
[20:24] <diddledan> hunble bundle 9
[20:27] <zleap> hi toby10ant
[20:27] <zleap> tombrough,
[20:38] <ali1234> diddledan: fez!
[20:58] <diddledan> has anyone got anywhere with the canyoufindit.co.uk challenge?
[20:59] <ali1234> i think it is a bazeries cipher
[21:00] <ali1234> because that would likely make q = e
[21:15] <Monotoko> if I had about 5 VM's in a virtual network, and I set DNS up on one of them and pointed the others resolv.conf at it, would I be able to use internal DNS names?
[21:16] <mgdm> Sure
[21:16] <mgdm> I recommend dnsmasq for the purpose, it's nice and simple
[21:17] <mgdm> though of course you can use BIND or whatever
[21:44] <directhex> libvirt uses dnsmasq automatically for this
[21:59]  * mgdm wonders why xfs (as in X font server) spontaneously went completely mental and ate 2GB of RAM on one machine