[05:48] <Squirm> morning
[05:52] <mazal> Morning squirm
[06:07] <nuvolari> o/ mornings
[06:52] <bduk> Good morning everyone
[07:13] <Vince-0> hai ubuntu-za
[07:14] <superfly> ohai Vince-0
[07:27] <magespawn> good morning all
[07:32] <Trixar_za> Morning magespawn
[07:36] <Vince-0> *work work
[07:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning peeps
[08:11] <magespawn> is die Oom nog nie wakker nie?
[08:12] <superfly> ohi ThatGraemeGuy, magespawn, Trixar_za
[08:13] <Trixar_za> Hey superfly
[08:16] <inetpro> Guten Morgen
[08:32] <superfly> guten morgen inetpro
[08:35] <charl> good morning all
[08:36] <charl> hi inetpro, superfly, Trixar_za, magespawn, ThatGraemeGuy, Vince-0 
[08:36]  * ThatGraemeGuy nods
[08:36] <superfly> hi charl
[08:36] <Trixar_za> Hey charl and inetpro. And ThatGraemeGuy
[08:36] <Trixar_za> :P
[08:36] <charl> and Squirm, mazal and nuvolari 
[08:36] <charl> and psyatw and maiatoday bduk 
[08:37] <charl> did i get everyone ? *phew)
[08:37] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[08:37]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[08:37] <inetpro> charl: hi
[08:38] <inetpro> you forgot the other 20 odd peeps
[08:38] <psyatw> hi charl
[08:38] <psyatw> hello magespawn
[08:38] <psyatw> hi inetpro
[08:38] <Vince-0> all the lurkers
[08:38] <psyatw> hi maiatoday
[08:38] <psyatw> hi Vince-0
[08:38] <psyatw> hi Trixar_za
[08:38] <psyatw> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[08:38] <Trixar_za> Hey psyatw
[08:38] <Vince-0> reading: http://www.jonobacon.org/2013/08/30/re-energizing-loco-teams/
[08:38] <psyatw> goedemorgen superfly
[08:38] <inetpro> :-)
[08:40] <superfly> hi psyatw :-)
[08:40] <psyatw> :)
[08:41] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[08:43] <Trixar_za> Maaz: coffee on
[08:43]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[08:43] <Trixar_za> :P
[08:47] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Trixar_za!
[08:47] <Trixar_za> Maaz: Thanks
[08:47] <Maaz> Trixar_za: No problem
[08:50] <nuvolari> hi charl, Trixar_za, superfly, inetpro, psyatw, 
[08:50] <nuvolari> and maaz
[08:50] <Trixar_za> Hi nuvolari
[08:50] <Trixar_za> Always fun to debate you on other people's statuses :P
[08:52] <nuvolari> lol
[08:52] <nuvolari> yeah
[08:52] <nuvolari> makes it more interesting
[08:52] <psyatw> hi nuvolari
[08:52] <psyatw> :)
[08:57] <Trixar_za> What does LoCo stand for again?
[08:58]  * inetpro wonders what happened to Kilos today
[08:58] <inetpro> Trixar_za: Local Community
[08:59] <Trixar_za> Yeah, LUG makes more sense to me :P
[09:05] <inetpro> nope, LUG stand for Linux User Group
[09:05] <inetpro> stands as well
[09:09] <Trixar_za> Exactly. It says what it is. Local Community is vague, so LoCo is kind of ambigious
[09:10] <Trixar_za> Probably invented by the same people that created Cloud Hosting'
[09:14] <Kilos> hi superfly ThatGraemeGuy Trixar_za and others
[09:15] <superfly> evening Kilos
[09:15] <Kilos> hehe
[09:15] <Trixar_za> Hi Kilos
[09:16] <inetpro> wb Kilos
[09:16] <Kilos> ty
[09:16] <Kilos> hi not_found 
[09:16] <magespawn> hey all
[09:16] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[09:16] <not_found> salute
[09:16] <inetpro> Trixar_za: we are not a LUG here, we are a local community of ubuntu users
[09:17] <Trixar_za> Technically, I'm not. Neither is nuvolari for that matter :P
[09:17]  * not_found is currently using an Ubuntu cousin... :p
[09:18] <Trixar_za> We just started with Ubuntu
[09:19] <Trixar_za> http://www.questionablecontent.net/comics/2530.png
[09:19] <Trixar_za> Also that's how you quit a job
[09:20] <not_found> access denied...
[09:20] <inetpro> Trixar_za: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams
[09:20] <not_found> nothing says the members of the loco need to be using Ubuntu :)
[09:20] <inetpro> LUGs do exist as well
[09:21] <not_found> nothing says an Ubuntu Member must be using Ubuntu...
[09:21] <inetpro> nobody said you can't be a member of the LoCo
[09:22] <inetpro> technically the LoCo Team
[09:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'm quitting ubuntu next week
[09:26] <inetpro> ThatGraemeGuy: you don't have to quit Ubuntu if you start using Debian
[09:26] <Trixar_za> Although it's encouraged
[09:26]  * Trixar_za runs
[09:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> lol
[09:26] <Kilos> what did i miss inetpro ?
[09:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> my htpc will still be ubuntu
[09:27] <Kilos> Trixar_za, shame on you
[09:27] <inetpro> Kilos: we need your help here man :-)
[09:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> too much bother to re-do it
[09:27] <inetpro> these guys they want to cause trouble today
[09:27] <Kilos> point me at the cause of the prob
[09:28] <inetpro> Kilos: Trixar_za wants the LoCo to be called a LUG
[09:28] <Kilos> not a good head day but well fight to keep our peeps here
[09:28] <inetpro> ai!
[09:29] <Trixar_za> No, I said I think LoCo is ambigious and doesn't say what it is like LUG does
[09:29] <Kilos> loco is a very fitting word for the types we collect here
[09:29] <Kilos> Maaz, define loco
[09:29] <Maaz> Kilos: Loco \Lo"co\, adv. [It.] (Mus.) A direction in written or printed music to return to the proper pitch after having played an octave higher. [1913 Webster], Loco \Lo"co\, n. [Sp. loco insane.] 1. (Bot.) A plant ({Astragalus Hornii}) growing in the Southwestern United States, which is said to poison horses and cattle, first making them insane. The name is also
[09:29] <Maaz> given vaguely to several other species of the same genus. Called also {loco weed}. [1913…
[09:30] <Kilos> i thought loco was crazy as well
[09:30] <Trixar_za> Depends on yor definition of Local
[09:30] <Trixar_za> Using Locale would probably be a better match for this channel :P
[09:30] <inetpro> Trixar_za: s/ambigious/ambiguous/
[09:30] <Kilos> Trixar_za, you been eating that loco weed
[09:31] <Trixar_za> In computing, a locale is a set of parameters that defines the user's language, country and any special variant preferences that the user wants to see in their user interface. Usually a locale identifier consists of at least a language identifier and a region identifier.
[09:31] <Trixar_za> ^
[09:31] <inetpro> Trixar_za: we're all South Africans here, not?
[09:31] <Kilos> mostly yeah
[09:32] <Kilos> and friends
[09:32] <Trixar_za> Yeah, but when I hear Local, I think same town or city
[09:33] <inetpro> Generally LoCo teams have a fairly large catchment area.
[09:34] <inetpro> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto#Getting_Started
[09:35] <inetpro> obviously we can start many smaller teams
[09:37] <Vince-0> member count is a bit of an issue, even in Dirtbin - people aren't so amped on LUG unless there's a bit deal on like RMS
[09:39] <Trixar_za> Would be cool to get Linus though or maybe ESR at one point
[09:39] <Trixar_za> I know, ESR and RMS at the same time for a debate
[09:39] <Trixar_za> In a wrestling ring
[09:39] <Vince-0> no sis
[09:40] <Trixar_za> Yeah, I'm pretty sure RMS can kick ESR's butt
[09:44] <Squirm> hi
[09:44] <Squirm> lo Trixar_za 
[09:44] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[09:44] <Squirm> heya Kilos 
[09:45] <Trixar_za> lo Squirm
[09:46] <not_found> nobody stopping anyone creating a LUG and the Loco and Lug working together ... can also be members of both...
[09:46] <not_found> but each has a slightly different "agenda"
[09:49] <Kilos> hi zerlgi 
[09:49] <zerlgi> Hi Kilos
[09:51] <Kilos> Trixar_za, have you tried www.elementaryos.org
[09:51] <Kilos> might suite your pc
[09:51] <Kilos> whoever gave the link here said it was lightning fast
[09:52] <Kilos> suit
[09:52] <andrewlsd> I've used it. It's pretty.
[09:53] <andrewlsd> and pretty quick. ... but it is important to realize that it is trying to be different from other linuxes and a lot like OS X.
[09:53] <andrewlsd> ... design of the environment is a key focus.
[09:53]  * not_found is currently giving SolydK a spin... it is pretty solid thus far...
[09:53] <andrewlsd> Maaz google SolydK
[09:54] <Maaz> andrewlsd: "SolydK | SolydXK" http://solydxk.com/products/solydk/ :: "SolydK | SolydXK" http://solydxk.com/category/solydk/ :: "SolydXK | Home of SolydX and SolydK" http://solydxk.com/ :: "DistroWatch.com: SolydXK" http://distrowatch.com/solydxk :: "SolydK Jul 2013 Review - An Excellent Linux Distro - YouTube" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPdHeLaRuCU ::
[09:54] <Maaz> "SolydX/SolydK Linux: Lightweight Operating Systems - YouTube" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7X5…
[09:54] <andrewlsd> Thanks Maaz
[09:54] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy, no matter what you use there is still irc and us
[09:55] <andrewlsd> so SolydK is almost LinuxMint Debian Edition
[09:56] <not_found> andrewlsd: yup... it is exactly that ... with either KDE or XFCE
[09:57] <not_found> same guy that did those two
[09:57] <not_found> for mint
[09:58] <not_found> Ubuntu is much more than just an OS... the biggest thing it has (had) over others was community... which lingers on long after the OS is perhaps not being used any more...
[09:58] <Trixar_za> It's sad that I can look at a photo and instantly know it's Hitchcock the movie director
[09:58] <superfly> ohi andrewlsd
[09:59]  * not_found slaps superfly around a bit with a large trout
[09:59] <Kilos> hehe
[09:59] <andrewlsd> ohi superfly
[10:00]  * andrewlsd offers redbait to not_found
[10:00]  * not_found looks at it suspiciously
[10:02] <superfly> jealous much, not_found?
[10:02] <superfly> :-P
[10:02] <superfly> hi not_found
[10:02] <not_found> :p
[10:03]  * andrewlsd wonders if not_found watches "lost"
[10:05] <not_found> nope
[10:21] <not_found> so what did uncle Kilos think of the week-ends Rugby Championship match?
[10:22] <Kilos> i enjoyed aus getting beat so good not_found 
[10:22] <Kilos> will see what happens to us with the kiwis
[10:22] <Kilos> they kinda tougher
[10:24] <not_found> well they are ranked #1 ... and we are #2 so should be epic :)
[10:24] <Kilos> lets hope
[10:25] <Kilos> be a good thing to win this one
[10:28] <not_found> epic
[10:29] <not_found> I think I will watch it and suffer night shift :p
[10:29] <not_found> so we have to win
[10:29] <Kilos> hehe
[10:44] <Symmetria> haha anyone watch the afrinic mailing list?
[10:44] <Symmetria> things are getting amusing again ;p
[10:45] <Trixar_za> I actually didn't watch it because I was expecting an epic loss. Heineke Meyer was overjoyed. Now imagine how we'd have dominated if he was actually a /good/ coach
[10:45] <Trixar_za> :P
[11:01] <mazal> Mirrag almal
[11:01] <mazal> When I execute this :
[11:01] <mazal> at 7:43 -f atfile.sh
[11:01] <mazal> I get this :
[11:01] <mazal> warning: commands will be executed using /bin/sh
[11:01] <mazal> Cannot open lockfile /var/spool/cron/atjobs/.SEQ: No such file or directory
[11:02] <mazal> So what I'm doing wrong ? What's wrong with the command ?
[11:20] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[11:20] <Kilos> did you start with at 7:43
[11:23] <mazal> yes
[11:23] <Kilos> what does the rest of the command do?
[11:23] <mazal> Just a ls
[11:24] <not_found> Trixar_za: >.>
[11:24] <mazal> the script is just ls
[11:24] <Kilos> ive only used at to download or upgrade i think
[11:24] <mazal> I just want to get at to work then I'll make correct commands in the script
[11:24] <mazal> That's what I want to do Kilos , want to run a wget command at 00:15 tonight , but at don't want to work
[11:24] <Kilos> is there a man at page
[11:25] <mazal> The man page is no help
[11:25] <mazal> Confusing and no examples
[11:25] <mazal> As with al man pages
[11:25] <mazal> all even
[11:25] <Kilos> lol i sukkel too
[11:25] <mazal> That command I got from google
[11:25] <inetpro> mazal: does it work if you execute it as follows?:
[11:25] <inetpro> ./atfile.sh
[11:25] <mazal> Lemme check inetpro 
[11:26] <mazal> yes it does
[11:26] <inetpro> ok, now where is it located?
[11:26] <mazal> in the same folder where I execute the at command
[11:26] <mazal> ~
[11:26] <inetpro> I guess /home/mazal/atfile.sh ?
[11:26] <mazal> yes
[11:27] <inetpro> how about specifying the full path to at
[11:27] <mazal> lemme check
[11:27] <mazal> warning: commands will be executed using /bin/sh
[11:27] <mazal> Cannot open lockfile /var/spool/cron/atjobs/.SEQ: No such file or directory
[11:28] <mazal> Looks like something is wrong with my at config or something
[11:28] <inetpro> mazal: http://salinelinux.proboards.com/thread/248
[11:31] <inetpro> sudo touch /var/spool/cron/atjobs/.SEQ
[11:31] <inetpro> sudo chown daemon:daemon /var/spool/cron/atjobs/.SEQ
[11:31] <inetpro> sudo chmod 600 /var/spool/cron/atjobs/.SEQ
[11:31]  * not_found loves when inetpro speaks Geek
[11:32] <inetpro> uh
[11:32] <Kilos> hehe
[11:33] <mazal> at 1:35pm -f /home/mazal/atfile.sh 
[11:33] <mazal> warning: commands will be executed using /bin/sh
[11:33] <mazal> job 2 at Wed Sep 11 13:35:00 2013
[11:33] <mazal> Thanx inetpro :-)
[11:34] <Kilos> Maaz, inetpro +1
[11:34] <Maaz> Kilos: Sorry...
[11:34] <mazal> Looks like it will work , now I just needs something in the sh file that will show something that the job is executed
[11:34] <Kilos> aw
[11:34] <mazal> Any ideas , my ls doesn't show
[11:34] <Kilos> Maaz, +1 inetpro 
[11:34] <Maaz> Kilos: Sorry...
[11:34] <Kilos> grrr
[11:34] <Kilos> how you do that not_found 
[11:35] <Kilos> the pro is good
[11:35] <inetpro> hmm...
[11:35] <inetpro> Kilos: you scared him away
[11:35] <Kilos> who?
[11:36] <inetpro> bduk
[11:36] <Kilos> nee man its the net, hell be back
[11:37] <Kilos> he must be very shy, hasnt said a word when ive been on
[11:37] <mazal> Just added > atfile.txt to the command , let's see
[11:37] <not_found> Maaz: ++ inetpro
[11:37] <Maaz> not_found: What?
[11:37] <not_found> Maaz: ++ inetpro ++
[11:37] <not_found> ?
[11:37] <mazal> Thanx inetpro , you da man ;-)
[11:38] <mazal> It works :-)
[11:38] <Kilos> i foget how to do the karma thing
[11:38] <not_found> Maaz:  inetpro ++
[11:38] <Kilos> wb bduk 
[11:38] <not_found> Maaz: sudo make-me-a-sanswich
[11:38] <Maaz> not_found: Huh?
[11:38] <Kilos> welcome back
[11:41] <inetpro> not_found: waar val jy uit die bus uit?
[11:41] <Kilos> lol
[11:42] <Kilos> superfly, how does one +1 someone with maaz please?
[11:42] <Kilos> the pro needs a karma upgrade
[11:43] <mazal> Oom Kilos , now I need your advice
[11:43] <inetpro> Maaz: karmaladder
[11:43] <Maaz> inetpro: 0: superfly (23), 1: cocooncrash (19), 2: tumbleweed (16), 3: maiatoday (11), 4: drubin (10), 5: Kilos (9), 6: Vhata (8), 7: morgs (8), 8: highvoltage (7), 9: confluency (6), 10: nuvolari (3), 11: Symmetria (3), 12: ubuntu-za (2), 13: russell (2), 14: |3o|3 (2), 15: yusuf (2), 16: inetpro (2), 17: queery (2), 18: maverick (2), 19: sars (1), 20: youtube-dl
[11:43] <Maaz> (1), 21: ScorpKing (1), 22: Web Africa (1), 23: Lenovo (1), 24: fnb (1), 25: ibid devs (1…
[11:43] <inetpro> Maaz: help karma
[11:43] <Maaz> inetpro: Keeps track of karma for people and things. You can use it like this:
[11:43] <Maaz>   forget karma for <subject> [[reason]]
[11:43] <Maaz>   karma for <subject>
[11:43] <Maaz>   [reverse] karmaladder
[11:43] <Maaz>   <subject> (++|--|==|ftw|ftl) [[reason]]
[11:44] <mazal> I want to put the following in the script :
[11:44] <mazal> wget --tries=0 --progress=bar http://ftp.is.co.za/linux/distributions/ubuntu/releases/precise/ubuntu-12.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso 
[11:44] <mazal> To what folder is it going to download ?
[11:44] <Kilos> home
[11:44] <inetpro> mazal: man wget
[11:44] <mazal> Becuase I scheduled the at command ?
[11:44] <Kilos> im sure wget downloads to home
[11:44] <inetpro> for one, don't do the progressbar thing if you're downloading via a script
[11:45] <mazal> Ya that bit I know is unneccesary
[11:45] <superfly> Maaz: karma intepro
[11:45] <Maaz> superfly: nobody cares, dude
[11:45] <mazal> That command comes out of my manual testing
[11:45] <not_found> Maaz: karma for inetpro
[11:45] <Maaz> not_found: inetpro has karma of 2
[11:45] <superfly> bah
[11:45] <inetpro> mazal: always specify the location 
[11:45] <superfly> 2 second lag :-(
[11:45] <mazal> So I know running manually goes to where I am in cli
[11:46] <superfly> Maaz: karma inetpro
[11:46] <Maaz> superfly: inetpro has karma of 2
[11:46] <not_found> Maaz: inetpro ++ noodles
[11:46] <Maaz> not_found: Excuse me?
[11:46]  * mazal fiddles in the confusing man page
[11:46] <inetpro> man man
[11:46] <Kilos> Maaz, inetpro +1 for helping peeps
[11:46] <Maaz> Kilos: Sorry...
[11:47] <inetpro> :-)
[11:47] <Kilos> grr
[11:47] <inetpro> mazal: man wget reads like a novel man
[11:47] <Kilos> why dont it work
[11:49] <inetpro> Maaz: Kilos -- [for not reading the help]
[11:49] <Kilos> Maaz, inetpro ++ for helping peeps
[11:49] <Maaz> Kilos: Excuse me?
[11:49] <Kilos> ai!
[11:49] <Kilos> i did man
[11:49] <inetpro> :-D
[11:50] <Kilos> Maaz, inetpro ++ [for helping with the difficult stuff]
[11:50] <inetpro> ai!
[11:51] <mazal> man page doesn't give destination option
[11:52] <Kilos> just wget it and find in home, dont get too technical
[11:52] <Kilos> wb DeonP 
[11:52] <mazal> This is all I get , but I don't know if that is it :
[11:52] <mazal> -O file
[11:52] <mazal>        --output-document=file
[11:52] <mazal>            The documents will not be written to the appropriate files, but all will be concatenated
[11:52] <mazal>            together and written to file.  If - is used as file, documents will be printed to standard
[11:52] <mazal>            output, disabling link conversion.  (Use ./- to print to a file literally named -.)
[11:52] <DeonP> been on hols :)
[11:52] <inetpro> mazal: that is it
[11:52] <Kilos> nice
[11:53] <mazal> So:
[11:53] <mazal> wget --tries=0 --progress=bar -O /home/mazal/ubuntu-12.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso  http://ftp.is.co.za/linux/distributions/ubuntu/releases/precise/ubuntu-12.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso
[11:53] <mazal> Like that ?
[11:54] <andrewlsd> rather
[11:54] <andrewlsd> wget -q -c  -O /home/mazal/ubuntu-12.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso http://ftp.is.co.za/linux/distributions/ubuntu/releases/precise/ubuntu-12.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso
[11:54] <andrewlsd> -q == quiet
[11:55] <inetpro> mazal: ^^
[11:55] <andrewlsd> -c (try to continue)
[11:55] <cocooncrash> mazal: You could probably also do "cd ~/downloads && wget ..."
[11:55] <andrewlsd> ^^
[11:55] <DeonP> Q for the networking xperts :) T2TP connection up on ppp0 with fixed IP assigned a.b.c.d. From the lan side i can enter a.b.c.d in browser and apache responds but from internet side i get time-out. tcp dump on ppp0 shows tcp traffic reaching ppp0 but i think traffic not returning back to ppp0
[11:55] <DeonP> L2TP
[11:56] <inetpro> Kilos: did you notice who is back?
[11:56] <Kilos> wb cocooncrash where you been
[11:56] <cocooncrash> Kilos: Back from California for a few weeks
[11:56] <inetpro> even andrewlsd has been very quiet
[11:57] <inetpro> nice to see you guys!
[11:57] <Kilos> well wb we missed you
[11:57] <cocooncrash> :)
[11:58] <andrewlsd> lol
[12:03] <Kilos> hi Tonberry 
[12:03] <Kilos> other one too
[12:05] <Kilos> DeonP, why dont you have simple probs
[12:06] <DeonP> my life is never simple lol
[12:06] <Kilos> looks like
[12:07] <Kilos> everyone else gets told man this or that
[12:07] <Kilos> i dont think man pages even know what you are trying to do
[12:08] <Kilos> inetpro, wheres man for that?
[12:08] <inetpro> DeonP: try asking at #glug.za
[12:09] <DeonP> ty will try
[12:12] <mazal> cocooncrash, nice idea thanx , didn't think about that one
[12:12] <mazal> Or I could even first line cd ~/Downloads and second line wget........
[12:12] <mazal> It's will be a script running
[12:17] <mazal> Oom Kilos , how do you do updates with the at command ?
[12:17] <mazal> One needs sudo
[12:18] <Kilos> i think i just used the command
[12:18] <Kilos> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[12:19] <mazal> And the password ?
[12:19] <mazal> Where does that go ?
[12:19] <mazal> Or you run it in root mode ?
[12:19] <Kilos> doesnt it run without a password with at?
[12:19] <Kilos> i dunno
[12:19] <mazal> I don't know , that's why I'm asking
[12:19] <Kilos> the pro will know
[12:20] <Kilos> or say man at
[12:20] <Kilos> hehe
[12:20] <mazal> Would also like to do updates after midnight
[12:20] <mazal> Ag nee man , man is useless , ek hou nie van man nie man !!!
[12:20] <Kilos> lol
[12:21]  * mazal grabs a stick and wacks man until man is no man no more
[12:22] <Kilos> Maaz, google how to use at to do update/upgrades on ubuntu
[12:22] <Maaz> Kilos: "Upgrading - Official Ubuntu Documentation" https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/installing-upgrading.html :: "AptGet/Howto - Community Ubuntu Documentation" https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGet/Howto :: "Automatic Security Updates - Official Ubuntu Documentation" https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticSecurityUpdates :: "How do I update Ubuntu
[12:22] <Maaz> Linux softwares? - nixCraft" http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/how-do-i-update-ubuntu-linux-soft…
[12:22] <Kilos> ai1
[12:23] <mazal> Neeman oom Kilos , jy't dit al gedoen , leer my
[12:23] <Kilos> Maaz, google using the at command to update in the future
[12:23] <Maaz> Kilos: "War Balloon Talks About Future 'Star Command' Updates | Touch ..." http://toucharcade.com/2013/05/21/war-balloon-talks-about-future-star-command-updates/ :: "CVS--Concurrent Versions System - Guide to CVS commands - Blank" http://www.thathost.com/wincvs-howto/cvsdoc/cvs_16.html :: "Reference manual for CVS commands"
[12:23] <Maaz> http://www.cs.utah.edu/dept/old/texinfo/cvs/cvs_18.html :: "Command Post of the Future - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://…
[12:23] <Kilos> sjoe man dit was maande terug
[12:23] <Kilos> hi nocware 
[12:24] <mazal> LOL , war balloon lol , mooi maaz
[12:24] <nocware> Kilos sup
[12:24] <Kilos> np and there
[12:25] <nocware> No big problem all goof
[12:25] <nocware> Good*
[12:25] <magespawn> later all
[12:25] <Kilos> later magespawn 
[12:25] <Kilos> mazal, did you try just with the command
[12:26] <mazal> nope
[12:26] <Kilos> it might do it without password
[12:27] <mazal> There is one BIG flaw in at command
[12:28] <mazal> You must write a script first
[12:28] <mazal> Can't just type the command , or I am missing something again
[12:29] <mazal> I get syntex error if I just add a command after the time
[12:29] <Kilos> ai!
[12:29] <Kilos> set your alarm to wake you at midnight
[12:30] <mazal>  -f file Reads the job from file rather than standard input.
[12:30] <Kilos> only the pro will know how to do that and he must be kinda busy
[12:30] <mazal> But it doesn't say how must the standard input look **sigh** man pages
[12:30] <Kilos> yeah i hate them too
[12:31] <Kilos> but some peeps read them like novels
[12:31] <mazal> Without examples a doc is useless
[12:33] <Kilos> hehe you gotta read between the lines
[12:36] <Kilos> Maaz, inetpro  ++
[12:36] <Kilos> oh my
[12:36] <mazal> Ok oom sudo apt-get update doesn't work with at
[12:36] <mazal> Just scheduled one to run 1 minute later , nothing happens
[12:37] <Kilos> hmm...
[12:37] <Kilos> alarm?
[12:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> mazal: echo "your-command" | at 14:38
[12:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> echo "echo hello | wall" | at 14:38
[12:37] <Kilos> leave you pc online with audio on and ill ping you
[12:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> "echo hello | wall" is the command
[12:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> you can test the command using: sh -c "command"
[12:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> because 'at' is effectively doing that
[12:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> are you just messing around, or are you actually trying to use 'at' for something?
[12:39] <mazal> Yeah I want to learn to use at to run commands at a later time. So now I'm trying to figure it out
[12:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah
[12:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> fwiw, i've never seen any real-world use of 'at'
[12:41] <andrewlsd> it might be worth mentioning at this point that there are some cron jobs that get run for apt also on most 'buntus
[12:42] <mazal> Must you put the echo in the beginning ?
[12:42] <Kilos> it works well to wget stuff after 11pm to use night surfer data when you asleep
[12:42] <andrewlsd> ...one use case for the upgrade is the cheaper "night owl" 3G data
[12:42] <andrewlsd> ... but what I would rather do is something like... (as root, not sudo)
[12:42] <andrewlsd> apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade -dy
[12:43] <andrewlsd> ... so that no software gets installed, but everything gets downloaded to /var/cache/apt/archives/
[12:43] <andrewlsd> so that the next morning, when you are able to intervene if dialogs require input, you can do the actual software upgrades.
[12:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> mazal: that's how you get input to the stdin of another process
[12:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> echo "something" | myproc
[12:44] <mazal> I just did this :
[12:44] <mazal> sudo apt-get update | at 2:44pm
[12:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> "something" is what myproc would find if it were to read its stdin
[12:44] <mazal> And it started checking at 2:44
[12:45] <mazal> So mine is wrong ?
[12:45] <andrewlsd> mazal, I expect that you would have problems with sudo authentication timeout
[12:45] <andrewlsd> if you set that for a time more than a few minutes in the future.
[12:45] <mazal> Ag nee :-(
[12:46] <mazal> So how am I gonna schedule updates after midnight **scratches head**
[12:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> create a cron job that runs as root
[12:46] <mazal> Can't I just sudo su
[12:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'at' is pretty ancient
[12:46] <mazal> And then the at command ?
[12:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> sudo requires you to enter your password
[12:47] <mazal> Even if you in root mode ?
[12:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh, you're creating at jobs as root?
[12:47] <mazal> ja
[12:47] <mazal> sudo su
[12:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh
[12:47] <mazal> enter password
[12:47] <mazal> at command
[12:47] <mazal> go to bed
[12:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> meh.... no idea, i still say use cron
[12:49] <bduk> Bye all
[12:49] <mazal> ThatGraemeGuy, I don't know how to do that
[12:49] <mazal> Will look into it
[12:50] <mazal> Home time , bye all. Enjoy your evening
[12:50] <Kilos> cheers mazal 
[12:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah, since you're trying to learn, might as well learn the more modern option :)
[12:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> ciao ciao!
[13:28] <nuvolari> oh hi oom Kilos 
[13:28] <Kilos> lo nuvolari 
[13:29] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy, have you perhaps got a link that explains the more modern way nicely?
[13:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> man 5 crontab
[13:30] <Kilos> lol you okes and man
[13:30] <Kilos> ty will lookmat it
[13:30] <Kilos> look at
[13:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> you don't laugh at doctors and their medical testbooks do you? :P
[13:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> same reason you needn't laugh at our man pages
[13:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> :D
[13:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> uh
[13:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> textbooks
[13:32] <Kilos> im not lol at you , its the idea of man pages
[13:32] <Kilos> i find them hard to understand
[13:32] <Kilos> they are written for peeps that know
[13:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> maaz, google how to use cron
[13:32] <Maaz> ThatGraemeGuy: "What are cron and crontab, and how do I use them? - Knowledge Base" http://kb.iu.edu/data/afiz.html :: "Newbie: Intro to cron - UnixGeeks.org" http://www.unixgeeks.org/security/newbie/unix/cron-1.html :: "Schedule tasks on Linux using crontab - Kevin van Zonneveld" http://kvz.io/blog/2007/07/29/schedule-tasks-on-linux-using-crontab/ :: "Cron and
[13:32] <Maaz> Crontab usage and examples - Pantz.org" http://www.pantz.org/software/cron/croninfo.html :: …
[13:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: that makes no sense
[13:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> they are written for people who want to know
[13:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> the peeps that know don't need man pages ...... we already know :P
[13:33] <Kilos> they are written for guys with an understanding of linux
[13:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> ag nonsies
[13:34] <Kilos> with some IT background then
[13:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> they're written in english, if you can read, you can make it work ;)
[13:34] <Kilos> hehe
[13:43] <magespawn> afternoon all
[13:44] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[13:44]  * Kilos looks here
[13:44] <Kilos> http://www.unixgeeks.org/security/newbie/unix/cron-1.html
[13:44] <Kilos> sigh
[13:48] <not_found> well that is one plant off... stupid pump tripped... bb tomorrow I suspect :p
[13:51] <Kilos> sjoe
[15:37] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:38] <Kilos> you home magespawn ?
[15:38] <magespawn> yes got of early today
[15:39] <Kilos> i been waiting for your later all
[15:39] <Kilos> gonna take some getting used to this new job
[15:40] <magespawn> yup definately
[16:15] <Symmetria> you know, american cluelessness and arrogance at points really knows no bounds? I was sitting downstairs at the hotel having dinner and there was this american couple at the table next to me, and there is a live band playing, playing extremely traditional mauritian music and the chick was like "you know, its amazing how far american influence has spread, I mean, listen to those regga beats, straight outta the good old USA"
[16:16]  * Symmetria bangs his head on the desk
[16:21] <magespawn> Symmetria: like regga comes from the usa anyway
[16:22] <Symmetria> magespawn my thoughts exactly, and this wasnt close to regga anyway
[17:25] <kbmonkey> hello
[17:25] <Kilos> yo kbmonkey 
[17:25] <kbmonkey> yo Kilos 
[17:26] <Kilos> you in time to tell me how to see the stratup scripts once booted
[17:26] <Kilos> startup
[17:27] <Kilos> they fly past so fast one cant keep up
[17:27] <kbmonkey> so you say he just zoomed through? ha ha
[17:27] <Kilos> hehe
[17:28] <kbmonkey> well, what kind of startup scripts? like system services?
[17:28] <Kilos> yeah ian glimpsed some thing to do on his kde
[17:28] <Kilos> but too fast to see what
[17:29] <DeonP> i give up
[17:29] <Kilos> aw DeonP no joy
[17:29] <DeonP> nope
[17:29] <Kilos> did the glug guys not know either
[17:29] <Kilos> they are more the networking okes
[17:30] <kbmonkey> well, commands in ~/.bash_profile get run on login
[17:30] <kbmonkey> and system services live as scripts in /etc/init.d/
[17:30] <kbmonkey> also, depending on your window manager, each has a different way to launch startup commands
[17:30] <kbmonkey> like ~/.xinitrc
[17:30] <DeonP> they knew but only told me basics
[17:30] <kbmonkey> so it all depends on what you are looking for :D
[17:30] <kbmonkey> in ubuntu there was a "startup applications" or "sessions" menu 
[17:30] <DeonP> just told be its doing something i dont understand
[17:30] <Kilos> he wants to see what it says he must do
[17:30] <kbmonkey> but I cannot say where this lives in the new unity interface
[17:31] <kbmonkey> hmm, well I do not understand that question very well
[17:31] <Kilos> he just says he saw in when booting kbmonkey 
[17:31] <kbmonkey> see what it says he must do what? add a new startup command?
[17:31] <Kilos> that might find it
[17:31] <kbmonkey> or find an existing startup command?
[17:32] <Kilos> i think something is broken or removed by accident
[17:32] <Kilos> no panel or launcher
[17:32] <kbmonkey> he saw an error on login, is that what you mean kilos?
[17:32] <Kilos> yeah
[17:32] <kbmonkey> ah
[17:32] <Kilos> he calls it to do stuff
[17:33] <kbmonkey> well I have not used KDE for years now, I cant say where that configures startup commands
[17:33] <kbmonkey> but you may check the file ~/.Xsession-errors (or something like that)
[17:33] <Kilos> ok ty
[17:33] <kbmonkey> but your best bet is to google for how to check KDE startup commands
[17:34] <kbmonkey> perhaps the panel got uninstalled?
[17:34] <Kilos> we all have
[17:34] <Kilos> yeah but i dont find a package for it
[17:35] <Kilos> sorry DeonP 
[17:36] <kbmonkey> you can look in the file /var/log/apt/history.log and look for dates around the time this started happending, and try spot if anything got removed that might be related
[17:36] <Kilos> have you got what they told you
[17:36] <kbmonkey> find out what the kde panel package name is called, and search for it in that history
[17:36] <Kilos> he is doing everything from cli kbmonkey 
[17:36] <kbmonkey> is this Kubuntu?
[17:37] <Kilos> yeah
[17:37] <Kilos> he had an open proxy thing going and we removed lotsa stuff to get freenode to unban him
[17:37] <kbmonkey> okay. on log in does it show a blank desktop? is there a mouse cursor ?
[17:37] <kbmonkey> i.e. does X start?
[17:38] <Kilos> no desktop there but no bottom panel or launcher
[17:38] <kbmonkey> okay, if he right-clicks on the desktop does a menu come up?
[17:39] <Kilos> yeah but no add panel option
[17:39] <kbmonkey> cool. I got some steps here what to do if there is no add panel
[17:39] <Kilos> yay
[17:40] <kbmonkey> 2) Right-click on the desktop and select 'appearance settings'. This should open up a 'Desktop settings - Plasma Workspace' dialogue.
[17:41] <kbmonkey> let me know when he is ready for the next step :)
[17:41] <Kilos> hes gone offline or something
[17:41] <Kilos> you can give ill save to a document
[17:41] <Kilos> bad 3g by him
[17:41] <Kilos> bad internet rather
[17:42] <kbmonkey> okay, the link I got it from is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1303549
[17:42] <Kilos> cool ty
[17:42] <kbmonkey> yw!
[17:42] <kbmonkey> I hope that works. the replies say it worked for them
[17:42] <Kilos> ill go see
[17:44] <kbmonkey> Kilos, if that fails, one can also remove the KDE settings from terminal, and when you log in gain it will recreate them per default
[17:44] <Kilos> hehe when he is online he also sukkels to switch from app to app
[17:44] <kbmonkey> To reset you user's KDE modificatiosn to defaults open a terminal and type: mv ~/.kde4 ~/.kde4.old
[17:45] <kbmonkey> log off and log back in, KDE will restore the desktop with defaults
[17:45] <Kilos> we tried that
[17:45] <Kilos> and lots more
[17:45] <Kilos> tried another user but same
[17:46] <kbmonkey> ah. did he try to apt install kubuntu-desktop?
[17:46] <Kilos> yes
[17:46] <Kilos> and all the plasma stuffs
[17:46] <Kilos> and lots more
[17:46] <Kilos> but i dunno what app controls the panel
[17:47] <Kilos> its like panel has been purged
[17:48] <kbmonkey> we need someone else with kubuntu
[17:48] <kbmonkey> to check if the panel is bundles with kubuntu-desktop
[17:48] <Kilos> the pro helped already
[17:48] <Kilos> i been on my kde as well
[17:48] <kbmonkey> kde is really overcomplicated if you ask me
[17:49] <Kilos> only when you break stuff
[17:49] <Kilos> my 12.04 runs lekker
[17:50] <kbmonkey> the easy way is to reinstall the os
[17:50] <kbmonkey> it probably can be fixed by hand
[17:51] <Kilos> with a hammer
[17:51] <kbmonkey> but I would not bother as it sounds like he been sukkling and tried so much of things
[17:54] <Kilos> hehe
[17:56] <Kilos> DeonP, what did they tell you to do
[17:58] <DeonP> i need appropriate firewall setup
[17:58] <SilverCode> Kilos: plasma-desktop is usually what is responsible for the "tak bar"
[17:58] <SilverCode> *task bar
[17:58] <SilverCode> Kilos: but you need to make sure kwin is starting first
[18:01] <Kilos> ive looked in my kubuntu-full installation and told him to install all the plasma packages mine shows as installed in muon
[18:03] <Kilos> how do you see if kwin is starting?
[18:03] <kbmonkey> Ctrl+ESC or similar to bring up running processes?
[18:04] <SilverCode> well the most obvious indicator is that there are window decorations
[18:04] <SilverCode> but I assume there are no windows opening up
[18:04] <Kilos> he can open konsole and  from there pidgin and skype etc
[18:04] <SilverCode> ah
[18:04] <SilverCode> are the minimize and maximize buttons on those windows?
[18:05] <Kilos> i dunno and hes off now
[18:05] <Kilos> sigh
[18:05] <SilverCode> well, if there are, then it means kwin is running
[18:05] <kbmonkey> sigh
[18:05] <Kilos> yeah pidgin shows its own minimise button
[18:06] <SilverCode> which means he should try running plasma-desktop from the console
[18:06] <Kilos> oh ok
[18:06] <SilverCode> plasma-desktop is responisble for all the widgets in kde, including things like the panles
[18:06] <Kilos> aha
[18:07] <DeonP> l8r folks
[18:08] <Kilos> cheers deo
[18:08] <Kilos> ai!\
[18:10] <kbmonkey> oh he's gone, alright
[18:10] <kbmonkey> well this is why I prefer a minimal window manager XD
[18:10] <Kilos> ya when he gets home hes pooped 
[18:10] <kbmonkey> who needs bling when you have stability
[18:11] <kbmonkey> plus my window manager I compile myself
[18:11] <Kilos> i think i got him to install fbpanel too but that dont show either
[18:11] <kbmonkey> but thats overkill for every normal person. lol
[18:20] <nuvolari> o/
[18:20] <nuvolari> I'm hungary
[18:21] <Kilos> lol hi nuvolari 
[18:21] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos :D
[18:21] <nuvolari> ek is nou-nou terug, gou my ouers bietjie bel :P
[18:23] <Kilos> yo SilverCode he popped in and i told him to run plasma-desktop from konsole and its fixed ty
[18:23] <Kilos> ok
[18:24] <kbmonkey> sorry I am suddenly so quiet Kilos - updating my CV
[18:24] <kbmonkey> and my site that hosts it
[18:24] <Kilos> np kbmonkey 
[18:25] <kbmonkey> then I have to hunt down that darn irp5 form - it got legs !
[18:25] <Kilos> here is what that found
[18:25] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s21TlJmTCv
[18:25] <Kilos> eish dont lose it
[18:27] <kbmonkey> unversioned plugin detected, may result in instability
[18:27] <kbmonkey> suspicious ^
[18:27] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: librejs?
[18:27] <kbmonkey> also, many DBus erros, perhaps DBus needs to be installed again
[18:27]  * nuvolari still need to try that out
[18:28] <kbmonkey> hallo nuvolari - no that was from oom Kilos pasting a kde startup command 
[18:28] <nuvolari> ooh :P
[18:28] <kbmonkey> the kde panels are not showing up :P
[18:28] <kbmonkey> ja I wana try librejs too!
[18:28] <kbmonkey> thanks for reminding me!
[18:28] <kbmonkey> thought I'd go the whole mile and use it with the IceCat browser too
[18:29] <nuvolari> brr! nippy in ballito tonight :-/
[18:29] <nuvolari> ok, bbiab for real
[18:29] <Kilos> hehe
[18:29] <kbmonkey> lol
[18:29] <Kilos> 2 weeks of sukkeling sorted
[18:30] <Kilos> inetpro, dis reg uiteindelik
[18:30] <Kilos> personally i would reinstalled long ago
[18:31] <Kilos> but he aint got time and all work on the lappy
[18:33] <kbmonkey> eish
[18:33] <kbmonkey> is home its own partition?
[18:33] <kbmonkey> backup in install xubuntu 
[18:34] <kbmonkey> or gnome
[18:34] <Kilos> i think its an install without partitioning
[18:34] <Kilos> default install
[18:34] <Kilos> when i get hold of the lappy sometime ill part the drive lekker and install for him
[18:35] <Kilos> and make rsyncs of everything first
[18:36] <smile> bye! :)
[18:36] <Kilos> night smnil
[18:36] <Kilos> smile, too
[18:36] <kbmonkey> bye!
[18:36] <smile> thanks
[18:37] <smile> :)
[18:41] <kbmonkey> Kilos, lunch time today I hit the gym. got a good work on the upper body.
[18:41] <kbmonkey> ironmonkey lol
[18:41] <Kilos> and when do you eat?
[18:41] <kbmonkey> I eat after and before
[18:42] <Kilos> dont get muscle bound then you battle to type
[18:42] <kbmonkey> ha ha
[19:03] <inetpro> Kilos: well done!
[19:03] <Kilos> not me SilverCode he be the clever oke
[19:03] <inetpro> sometimes you need to learn to be patient and find the real problem
[19:04] <Kilos> i had him install everything plasma related that i have in my kde
[19:04] <inetpro> these things they don't just break by themselves
[19:04] <Kilos> but just running plasma-desktop from cli worked
[19:05] <inetpro> now tell him to do what he did to break it
[19:05] <inetpro> again
[19:05] <Kilos> lol
[19:05] <inetpro> so he can understand what he did :-)
[19:05] <Kilos> he says i must thank all of you for the help
[19:05] <Kilos> no man he aint got time to go through all of this again
[19:05] <inetpro> can he still not login to freenode?
[19:06] <Kilos> i dunno how he has managed to get any work done all from cli
[19:06] <Kilos> yes he can
[19:06] <inetpro> ahh, so why you being the third party here?
[19:06] <Kilos> but he is poegaai most of the time
[19:07] <Kilos> because he woulda just carried on struggling
[19:07] <inetpro> ai!
[19:07] <Kilos> i nag till its fixed
[19:07] <inetpro> he must learn to be persistent like you man
[19:07] <Kilos> a few times he has said please leave it rest
[19:08] <Kilos> but now he will sleep lekker
[19:08] <Kilos> ad me too
[19:08] <Kilos> and
[19:08] <inetpro> this kind of thing won't fix itself
[19:09] <Kilos> nope but if you think of all the things we tried and looked at it was major work
[19:09] <superfly> things don't normally break themselves either...
[19:09] <Kilos> and my fault im sure
[19:09] <Kilos> hehe
[19:09] <inetpro> superfly: I already said that :-)
[19:09] <inetpro> wb superfly
[19:09] <superfly> [21:04:33] <inetpro> these things they don't just break by themselves
[19:09] <superfly> ah, there
[19:10] <inetpro> superfly: how's the family?
[19:10] <nuvolari> yum, home 'made' pizza
[19:10] <nuvolari> I heated it myself :P
[19:10] <Kilos> before you showed me he must mail freenode i just kept telling him remove this then check if you can login to freenode then remove that and check
[19:10] <superfly> wife is not feeling great (not that I'm brilliant either) but I've been looking after the kids
[19:10] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:10] <inetpro> look after yourself man
[19:11] <Kilos> eish get well soon flies of ours
[19:11] <inetpro> if you don't look after yourself you can not look after the family
[19:13] <inetpro> go to the gym or find something to give the body a workout so it can fix itself
[19:13] <Kilos> swim
[19:13] <inetpro> or run up and down the stairs
[19:14] <Kilos> swimming is the most healthy exercise and makes you breathe properly as well
[19:14] <Kilos> hehe or run around the block
[19:14] <Kilos> then kick it under the bed
[19:14] <inetpro> ai!
[19:16] <superfly> You're talking about exercise to the wrong person. I abhor exercise.
[19:17] <inetpro> yikes!
[19:18]  * inetpro knows the feeling
[19:18] <inetpro> but you have to find something
[19:18] <Kilos> yoga and health
[19:19] <Kilos> learn to breathe properly
[19:19] <inetpro> or go cycling
[19:19] <Kilos> thats exercise
[19:19] <inetpro> no man, do it for the fun
[19:20] <Kilos> thats why we invented motor bikes
[19:22] <Kilos> oh inetpro when you first taught me about at
[19:22] <inetpro> Kilos: yes?
[19:22] <Kilos> didnt you work out how i could use it for updates without the password hassle
[19:22] <inetpro> uh?
[19:23] <inetpro> no
[19:23] <Kilos> that cron thing is even harder work
[19:23] <Kilos> you sure
[19:23] <Kilos> was it only for wget
[19:24] <nuvolari> hah, what do we need to help out a mac in a makeover?
[19:24] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: ^^
[19:24] <inetpro> nuvolari: you in the wrong channel?
[19:24] <nuvolari> inetpro: nope
[19:24] <Kilos> lol
[19:25] <inetpro> Kilos: I don't think I mentioned teh at command and ubuntu updates in the same context
[19:25] <nuvolari> a guy is willing to install a debian/debian based distro on his mac
[19:25] <Kilos> hmm...
[19:25] <inetpro> nuvolari: we don't do macs here
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[19:25] <Kilos> was almost sure id used it to do update upgrade back then
[19:25] <nuvolari> inetpro: we do Ubuntu
[19:25] <nuvolari> and ubuntu doesn't ask questions :P
[19:26] <nuvolari> but I mostly agree, macs suck
[19:26]  * inetpro still despises macs more than windows
[19:26] <Kilos> shame man weve even helped win peeps to install ubuntu here
[19:27] <inetpro> that's the real dark side
[19:27] <Kilos> cant you put ubuntu on them?
[19:27] <inetpro> Kilos: but even the hardware just sucks
[19:28] <inetpro> and the mouse is the worst of all
[19:28] <Kilos> ah
[19:28] <nuvolari> pay big bucks for little bang
[19:28] <Kilos> ive never seen a mac'
[19:29] <Kilos> so you can boot from ubuntu cd and go dlete everything and install ubuntu
[19:29] <Kilos> cant
[19:29] <superfly> nuvolari: pearos
[19:30] <superfly> nuvolari: http://pearlinux.fr/
[19:30] <nuvolari> superfly: ooh, sounds edible :P I'll check it out
[19:30] <nuvolari> thanks!
[19:30] <Kilos> hehe
[19:30] <inetpro> Kilos: http://askubuntu.com/questions/28575/how-to-schedule-an-update
[19:30]  * superfly is hopefully getting a new PC tomorrow
[19:30] <superfly> quad core, 8 gigs or RAM, 2TB hard drive
[19:31] <superfly> *of
[19:31] <Kilos> wow
[19:31]  * nuvolari wipes away a tear
[19:31] <nuvolari> that sounds so beautiful
[19:31] <superfly> insurance paid out for my servers being wiped out by lightning
[19:31] <inetpro> :-)
[19:31] <Kilos> that sound really great
[19:32] <inetpro> superfly: sounds like nice hardware
[19:32] <nuvolari> hmm.. discover pearlinux... and boom. HTTP/404
[19:32] <superfly> inetpro: entry level, really
[19:32] <superfly> just a little bit of extra here and there
[19:32] <Kilos> no man inetpro i said earlier cron is even harder work 
[19:33] <Kilos> whew
[19:34] <nuvolari> ack, having a very bad first impression of pear :-/ website has more missing pages than working ones
[19:35] <Kilos> if i can stay awake ill get www.elementaryos.org tonight
[19:35] <inetpro> Kilos: A short introduction to cron-apt http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/162
[19:36] <nuvolari> http://pear.prophecy.li/ now we're talking!
[19:36] <Kilos> i looked at 2 sites today inetpro for newbies to cron and updating with it
[19:37] <Kilos> dunno nebies to what they write for
[19:38] <Kilos> newbies
[19:38]  * inetpro just installed cron-apt for the first time
[19:38] <superfly> nuvolari: wow, the last time I looked it worked
[19:39] <inetpro> Kilos: looks like there's nothing to do
[19:39] <inetpro> by default it will run at 4:00 every morning
[19:39] <Kilos> huh?
[19:39] <Kilos> i dont want that man
[19:40] <Kilos> i turn of all updates and auto upgrades etc
[19:40] <Kilos> off
[19:40] <nuvolari> superfly: that other link's website is making an impression
[19:40] <superfly> nuvolari: looks like they're going to upgrade the site when they release PearOS 8?
[19:41] <inetpro> Kilos: you started this
[19:41] <Kilos> ai!
[19:41] <Kilos> it needs to work with at
[19:41] <Kilos> thats understandable
[19:41] <inetpro> no man
[19:42] <inetpro> 11/09 21:22:40 <Kilos> didnt you work out how i could use it for updates without the password hassle
[19:42] <inetpro> Kilos: explain that ^^
[19:42] <Kilos> oh ya didnt you
[19:43] <Kilos> have i never done update upgrade with at?
[19:43] <inetpro> Kilos: you just don't do it with at
[19:43] <inetpro> why would you want to?
[19:43] <inetpro> there is cron-apt for this purpose
[19:43] <superfly> nuvolari: from what I can see, PearOS is a highly customised Gnome Shell
[19:44] <Kilos> why not sudo -i and then run the at command with apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[19:44] <Kilos> wont that work
[19:44] <inetpro> ai!
[19:44] <inetpro> By default, cron-apt will only download updates -- it will not install them.
[19:44] <Kilos> what will that break something
[19:46] <inetpro> Kilos: read the link above man
[19:46] <Kilos> i am
[19:46] <inetpro> start from the top and go from left to right
[19:47] <Kilos> grrr
[19:47] <inetpro> then keep going until you have reached the bottom of the page :-)
[19:48] <inetpro> that's how you read a man page as well
[19:52] <Kilos> you mean that script inetpro ?
[19:52] <inetpro> Kilos: what script are you talking about?
[19:53] <Kilos> if [[ `apt-get update 2>&1 | grep Get` ]]; then
[19:53] <Kilos>   if [[ `apt-get --simulate dist-upgrade 2>&1 | grep Inst` ]]; then
[19:53] <Kilos>     apt-get --simulate dist-upgrade
[19:53] <Kilos>   fi
[19:53] <Kilos> fi
[19:53] <Kilos> with the commands before it
[19:53] <inetpro> nee man
[19:53] <inetpro> that is someone commenting on teh story
[19:54] <inetpro> some anonymous guy nogal
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[19:54] <inetpro> obviously you can learn from that
[19:54] <Kilos> man ek sukkel
[19:54] <inetpro> ai!
[19:54] <Kilos> learning isnt the prob remembering is
[19:55] <inetpro> Kilos: don't do stuff that you don't understand what they do
[19:55] <Kilos> thats why i asked about at
[19:55] <inetpro> at is old man
[19:56] <Kilos> dont understand the cron stuff and having it download daily and mail me and whatever else
[19:56] <inetpro> that was mentioned by me just to introduce you to the idea of automating stuffs, back then
[19:56] <Kilos> old i good for me
[19:56] <Kilos> is
[19:56] <inetpro> old can be dangerous
[19:56] <inetpro> things change, remember!?
[19:56] <Kilos> modern stuffs need modern way of thinking brains
[19:57] <inetpro> so even cron-apt needs to be looked at carefully
[19:57] <Kilos> ya ill stay awake to do update/upgrades
[19:58] <Kilos> and no good saying its english if you can read it you can understand it
[19:58] <inetpro> I still like the idea of con-apt and will try it out on my side
[19:58] <inetpro> cron-apt as well
[19:59] <Kilos> ya if you can do once only update/upgrades then fine
[19:59] <inetpro> looks like a very simple and easy solution
[19:59] <Kilos> not daily
[19:59] <Kilos> and no mailing
[19:59] <inetpro> ai!
[20:16] <magespawn> howdy all
[20:16] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[20:19] <magespawn> everyone still awake
[20:19] <Kilos> looks like
[20:19] <Kilos> no one said night yet'
[20:21] <Kilos> i wanna get that fast iso
[20:21] <Kilos> www.elementaryos.org
[20:21] <Kilos> if it will work with 12.04 .deb packages thats good
[20:22] <magespawn> new software again?
[20:22] <Kilos> well everything is working here
[20:22] <Kilos> and lpi is hard work so i need to do something relaxing
[20:25] <magespawn> different way to relax, not waht most people would consider
[20:25] <magespawn> what as well
[20:25] <Kilos> hehe
[20:25] <magespawn> i am busy reading the Asterisk manual
[20:25] <Kilos> ah i wanna know about that sometime
[20:26] <Kilos> how do they connect fones to the pc with it running
[20:27] <magespawn> there is a pci phone card in the computer
[20:27] <Kilos> aah
[20:28] <superfly> I write code to relax
[20:28] <superfly> oh wait, I write code to work too
[20:28] <Kilos> lol
[20:28] <superfly> hrm, now I'm confused
[20:28] <Kilos> why?
[20:28] <magespawn> be careful, the lure of the dark side is powerful
[20:29] <magespawn> he does not know when he is working or relaxing
[20:29] <Kilos> hahaha
[20:29] <magespawn> or doing both at the same time
[20:30] <Kilos> i still dont understand 2 same keyboards to the pc
[20:30] <Kilos> they both type to the same place so why?
[20:31] <Kilos> different if one worked to pidgin for right hand and one to xchat for left hand
[20:33] <magespawn> why? who has that set up?
[20:33] <Kilos> the fly
[20:38] <magespawn> the best way to find out is to ask him, it might well be for two seperate programs or two different areas of the same program
[20:38] <magespawn> never tried that
[20:39] <Kilos> i have but he just said he uses both
[20:42] <magespawn> well that is a good a reason as any other 
[20:42] <Kilos> hahaha
[20:42] <Kilos> i need some help i dont see where to download that os
[20:43] <Kilos> www.elementaryos.org
[20:43] <Kilos> what am i missing
[20:44] <Kilos> oh i found it sorry
[20:44] <Kilos> sigh
[20:44] <Kilos> right nerar the top
[20:44] <Kilos> near
[20:47] <magespawn> no worries
[20:47] <magespawn> is it that time already?
[20:47] <Kilos> nearly
[20:47] <Kilos> 13 mins more
[20:48] <magespawn> heck i should be in bed
[20:48] <Kilos> ya 
[20:49] <Kilos> go sleep
[20:49] <Kilos> night magespawn 
[20:49] <Kilos> work tomorrow
[20:50] <magespawn> yes but have a few things to finish first
[21:16] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[21:18] <magespawn> and hes of to bed before me
[21:19] <magespawn> good night
[21:22] <inetpro> good night