[05:48] morning [05:52] Morning squirm [06:07] o/ mornings [06:52] Good morning everyone [07:13] hai ubuntu-za [07:14] ohai Vince-0 [07:27] good morning all [07:32] Morning magespawn [07:36] *work work [07:56] morning peeps [08:11] is die Oom nog nie wakker nie? [08:12] ohi ThatGraemeGuy, magespawn, Trixar_za [08:13] Hey superfly [08:16] Guten Morgen [08:32] guten morgen inetpro [08:35] good morning all [08:36] hi inetpro, superfly, Trixar_za, magespawn, ThatGraemeGuy, Vince-0 [08:36] * ThatGraemeGuy nods [08:36] hi charl [08:36] Hey charl and inetpro. And ThatGraemeGuy [08:36] :P [08:36] and Squirm, mazal and nuvolari [08:36] and psyatw and maiatoday bduk [08:37] did i get everyone ? *phew) [08:37] Maaz: coffee on [08:37] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [08:37] charl: hi [08:38] you forgot the other 20 odd peeps [08:38] hi charl [08:38] hello magespawn [08:38] hi inetpro [08:38] all the lurkers [08:38] hi maiatoday [08:38] hi Vince-0 [08:38] hi Trixar_za [08:38] hi ThatGraemeGuy [08:38] Hey psyatw [08:38] reading: http://www.jonobacon.org/2013/08/30/re-energizing-loco-teams/ [08:38] goedemorgen superfly [08:38] :-) [08:40] hi psyatw :-) [08:40] :) [08:41] Coffee's ready for charl! [08:43] Maaz: coffee on [08:43] * Maaz puts the kettle on [08:43] :P [08:47] Coffee's ready for Trixar_za! [08:47] Maaz: Thanks [08:47] Trixar_za: No problem [08:50] hi charl, Trixar_za, superfly, inetpro, psyatw, [08:50] and maaz [08:50] Hi nuvolari [08:50] Always fun to debate you on other people's statuses :P [08:52] lol [08:52] yeah [08:52] makes it more interesting [08:52] hi nuvolari [08:52] :) [08:57] What does LoCo stand for again? [08:58] * inetpro wonders what happened to Kilos today [08:58] Trixar_za: Local Community [08:59] Yeah, LUG makes more sense to me :P [09:05] nope, LUG stand for Linux User Group [09:05] stands as well [09:09] Exactly. It says what it is. Local Community is vague, so LoCo is kind of ambigious [09:10] Probably invented by the same people that created Cloud Hosting' [09:14] hi superfly ThatGraemeGuy Trixar_za and others [09:15] evening Kilos [09:15] hehe [09:15] Hi Kilos [09:16] wb Kilos [09:16] ty [09:16] hi not_found [09:16] hey all [09:16] hi magespawn [09:16] salute [09:16] Trixar_za: we are not a LUG here, we are a local community of ubuntu users [09:17] Technically, I'm not. Neither is nuvolari for that matter :P [09:17] * not_found is currently using an Ubuntu cousin... :p [09:18] We just started with Ubuntu [09:19] http://www.questionablecontent.net/comics/2530.png [09:19] Also that's how you quit a job [09:20] access denied... [09:20] Trixar_za: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams [09:20] nothing says the members of the loco need to be using Ubuntu :) [09:20] LUGs do exist as well [09:21] nothing says an Ubuntu Member must be using Ubuntu... [09:21] nobody said you can't be a member of the LoCo [09:22] technically the LoCo Team [09:25] i'm quitting ubuntu next week [09:26] ThatGraemeGuy: you don't have to quit Ubuntu if you start using Debian [09:26] Although it's encouraged [09:26] * Trixar_za runs [09:26] lol [09:26] what did i miss inetpro ? [09:27] my htpc will still be ubuntu [09:27] Trixar_za, shame on you [09:27] Kilos: we need your help here man :-) [09:27] too much bother to re-do it [09:27] these guys they want to cause trouble today [09:27] point me at the cause of the prob [09:28] Kilos: Trixar_za wants the LoCo to be called a LUG [09:28] not a good head day but well fight to keep our peeps here [09:28] ai! [09:29] No, I said I think LoCo is ambigious and doesn't say what it is like LUG does [09:29] loco is a very fitting word for the types we collect here [09:29] Maaz, define loco [09:29] Kilos: Loco \Lo"co\, adv. [It.] (Mus.) A direction in written or printed music to return to the proper pitch after having played an octave higher. [1913 Webster], Loco \Lo"co\, n. [Sp. loco insane.] 1. (Bot.) A plant ({Astragalus Hornii}) growing in the Southwestern United States, which is said to poison horses and cattle, first making them insane. The name is also [09:29] given vaguely to several other species of the same genus. Called also {loco weed}. [1913… [09:30] i thought loco was crazy as well [09:30] Depends on yor definition of Local [09:30] Using Locale would probably be a better match for this channel :P [09:30] Trixar_za: s/ambigious/ambiguous/ [09:30] Trixar_za, you been eating that loco weed [09:31] In computing, a locale is a set of parameters that defines the user's language, country and any special variant preferences that the user wants to see in their user interface. Usually a locale identifier consists of at least a language identifier and a region identifier. [09:31] ^ [09:31] Trixar_za: we're all South Africans here, not? [09:31] mostly yeah [09:32] and friends [09:32] Yeah, but when I hear Local, I think same town or city [09:33] Generally LoCo teams have a fairly large catchment area. [09:34] see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto#Getting_Started [09:35] obviously we can start many smaller teams [09:37] member count is a bit of an issue, even in Dirtbin - people aren't so amped on LUG unless there's a bit deal on like RMS [09:39] Would be cool to get Linus though or maybe ESR at one point [09:39] I know, ESR and RMS at the same time for a debate [09:39] In a wrestling ring [09:39] no sis [09:40] Yeah, I'm pretty sure RMS can kick ESR's butt [09:44] hi [09:44] lo Trixar_za [09:44] hi Squirm [09:44] heya Kilos [09:45] lo Squirm [09:46] nobody stopping anyone creating a LUG and the Loco and Lug working together ... can also be members of both... [09:46] but each has a slightly different "agenda" [09:49] hi zerlgi [09:49] Hi Kilos === zerlgi is now known as andrewlsd [09:51] Trixar_za, have you tried www.elementaryos.org [09:51] might suite your pc [09:51] whoever gave the link here said it was lightning fast [09:52] suit [09:52] I've used it. It's pretty. [09:53] and pretty quick. ... but it is important to realize that it is trying to be different from other linuxes and a lot like OS X. [09:53] ... design of the environment is a key focus. [09:53] * not_found is currently giving SolydK a spin... it is pretty solid thus far... [09:53] Maaz google SolydK [09:54] andrewlsd: "SolydK | SolydXK" http://solydxk.com/products/solydk/ :: "SolydK | SolydXK" http://solydxk.com/category/solydk/ :: "SolydXK | Home of SolydX and SolydK" http://solydxk.com/ :: "DistroWatch.com: SolydXK" http://distrowatch.com/solydxk :: "SolydK Jul 2013 Review - An Excellent Linux Distro - YouTube" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPdHeLaRuCU :: [09:54] "SolydX/SolydK Linux: Lightweight Operating Systems - YouTube" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7X5… [09:54] Thanks Maaz [09:54] ThatGraemeGuy, no matter what you use there is still irc and us [09:55] so SolydK is almost LinuxMint Debian Edition [09:56] andrewlsd: yup... it is exactly that ... with either KDE or XFCE [09:57] same guy that did those two [09:57] for mint [09:58] Ubuntu is much more than just an OS... the biggest thing it has (had) over others was community... which lingers on long after the OS is perhaps not being used any more... [09:58] It's sad that I can look at a photo and instantly know it's Hitchcock the movie director [09:58] ohi andrewlsd [09:59] * not_found slaps superfly around a bit with a large trout [09:59] hehe [09:59] ohi superfly [10:00] * andrewlsd offers redbait to not_found [10:00] * not_found looks at it suspiciously [10:02] jealous much, not_found? [10:02] :-P [10:02] hi not_found [10:02] :p [10:03] * andrewlsd wonders if not_found watches "lost" [10:05] nope [10:21] so what did uncle Kilos think of the week-ends Rugby Championship match? [10:22] i enjoyed aus getting beat so good not_found [10:22] will see what happens to us with the kiwis [10:22] they kinda tougher [10:24] well they are ranked #1 ... and we are #2 so should be epic :) [10:24] lets hope [10:25] be a good thing to win this one [10:28] epic [10:29] I think I will watch it and suffer night shift :p [10:29] so we have to win [10:29] hehe [10:44] haha anyone watch the afrinic mailing list? [10:44] things are getting amusing again ;p [10:45] I actually didn't watch it because I was expecting an epic loss. Heineke Meyer was overjoyed. Now imagine how we'd have dominated if he was actually a /good/ coach [10:45] :P [11:01] Mirrag almal [11:01] When I execute this : [11:01] at 7:43 -f atfile.sh [11:01] I get this : [11:01] warning: commands will be executed using /bin/sh [11:01] Cannot open lockfile /var/spool/cron/atjobs/.SEQ: No such file or directory [11:02] So what I'm doing wrong ? What's wrong with the command ? [11:20] hi mazal [11:20] did you start with at 7:43 [11:23] yes [11:23] what does the rest of the command do? [11:23] Just a ls [11:24] Trixar_za: >.> [11:24] the script is just ls [11:24] ive only used at to download or upgrade i think [11:24] I just want to get at to work then I'll make correct commands in the script [11:24] That's what I want to do Kilos , want to run a wget command at 00:15 tonight , but at don't want to work [11:24] is there a man at page [11:25] The man page is no help [11:25] Confusing and no examples [11:25] As with al man pages [11:25] all even [11:25] lol i sukkel too [11:25] That command I got from google [11:25] mazal: does it work if you execute it as follows?: [11:25] ./atfile.sh [11:25] Lemme check inetpro [11:26] yes it does [11:26] ok, now where is it located? [11:26] in the same folder where I execute the at command [11:26] ~ [11:26] I guess /home/mazal/atfile.sh ? [11:26] yes [11:27] how about specifying the full path to at [11:27] lemme check [11:27] warning: commands will be executed using /bin/sh [11:27] Cannot open lockfile /var/spool/cron/atjobs/.SEQ: No such file or directory [11:28] Looks like something is wrong with my at config or something [11:28] mazal: http://salinelinux.proboards.com/thread/248 [11:31] sudo touch /var/spool/cron/atjobs/.SEQ [11:31] sudo chown daemon:daemon /var/spool/cron/atjobs/.SEQ [11:31] sudo chmod 600 /var/spool/cron/atjobs/.SEQ [11:31] * not_found loves when inetpro speaks Geek [11:32] uh [11:32] hehe [11:33] at 1:35pm -f /home/mazal/atfile.sh [11:33] warning: commands will be executed using /bin/sh [11:33] job 2 at Wed Sep 11 13:35:00 2013 [11:33] Thanx inetpro :-) [11:34] Maaz, inetpro +1 [11:34] Kilos: Sorry... [11:34] Looks like it will work , now I just needs something in the sh file that will show something that the job is executed [11:34] aw [11:34] Any ideas , my ls doesn't show [11:34] Maaz, +1 inetpro [11:34] Kilos: Sorry... [11:34] grrr [11:34] how you do that not_found [11:35] the pro is good [11:35] hmm... [11:35] Kilos: you scared him away [11:35] who? [11:36] bduk [11:36] nee man its the net, hell be back [11:37] he must be very shy, hasnt said a word when ive been on [11:37] Just added > atfile.txt to the command , let's see [11:37] Maaz: ++ inetpro [11:37] not_found: What? [11:37] Maaz: ++ inetpro ++ [11:37] ? [11:37] Thanx inetpro , you da man ;-) [11:38] It works :-) [11:38] i foget how to do the karma thing [11:38] Maaz: inetpro ++ [11:38] wb bduk [11:38] Maaz: sudo make-me-a-sanswich [11:38] not_found: Huh? [11:38] welcome back [11:41] not_found: waar val jy uit die bus uit? [11:41] lol [11:42] superfly, how does one +1 someone with maaz please? [11:42] the pro needs a karma upgrade [11:43] Oom Kilos , now I need your advice [11:43] Maaz: karmaladder [11:43] inetpro: 0: superfly (23), 1: cocooncrash (19), 2: tumbleweed (16), 3: maiatoday (11), 4: drubin (10), 5: Kilos (9), 6: Vhata (8), 7: morgs (8), 8: highvoltage (7), 9: confluency (6), 10: nuvolari (3), 11: Symmetria (3), 12: ubuntu-za (2), 13: russell (2), 14: |3o|3 (2), 15: yusuf (2), 16: inetpro (2), 17: queery (2), 18: maverick (2), 19: sars (1), 20: youtube-dl [11:43] (1), 21: ScorpKing (1), 22: Web Africa (1), 23: Lenovo (1), 24: fnb (1), 25: ibid devs (1… [11:43] Maaz: help karma [11:43] inetpro: Keeps track of karma for people and things. You can use it like this: [11:43] forget karma for [[reason]] [11:43] karma for [11:43] [reverse] karmaladder [11:43] (++|--|==|ftw|ftl) [[reason]] [11:44] I want to put the following in the script : [11:44] wget --tries=0 --progress=bar http://ftp.is.co.za/linux/distributions/ubuntu/releases/precise/ubuntu-12.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso [11:44] To what folder is it going to download ? [11:44] home [11:44] mazal: man wget [11:44] Becuase I scheduled the at command ? [11:44] im sure wget downloads to home [11:44] for one, don't do the progressbar thing if you're downloading via a script [11:45] Ya that bit I know is unneccesary [11:45] Maaz: karma intepro [11:45] superfly: nobody cares, dude [11:45] That command comes out of my manual testing [11:45] Maaz: karma for inetpro [11:45] not_found: inetpro has karma of 2 [11:45] bah [11:45] mazal: always specify the location [11:45] 2 second lag :-( [11:45] So I know running manually goes to where I am in cli [11:46] Maaz: karma inetpro [11:46] superfly: inetpro has karma of 2 [11:46] Maaz: inetpro ++ noodles [11:46] not_found: Excuse me? [11:46] * mazal fiddles in the confusing man page [11:46] man man [11:46] Maaz, inetpro +1 for helping peeps [11:46] Kilos: Sorry... [11:47] :-) [11:47] grr [11:47] mazal: man wget reads like a novel man [11:47] why dont it work [11:49] Maaz: Kilos -- [for not reading the help] [11:49] Maaz, inetpro ++ for helping peeps [11:49] Kilos: Excuse me? [11:49] ai! [11:49] i did man [11:49] :-D [11:50] Maaz, inetpro ++ [for helping with the difficult stuff] [11:50] ai! [11:51] man page doesn't give destination option [11:52] just wget it and find in home, dont get too technical [11:52] wb DeonP [11:52] This is all I get , but I don't know if that is it : [11:52] -O file [11:52] --output-document=file [11:52] The documents will not be written to the appropriate files, but all will be concatenated [11:52] together and written to file. If - is used as file, documents will be printed to standard [11:52] output, disabling link conversion. (Use ./- to print to a file literally named -.) [11:52] been on hols :) [11:52] mazal: that is it [11:52] nice [11:53] So: [11:53] wget --tries=0 --progress=bar -O /home/mazal/ubuntu-12.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso http://ftp.is.co.za/linux/distributions/ubuntu/releases/precise/ubuntu-12.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso [11:53] Like that ? [11:54] rather [11:54] wget -q -c -O /home/mazal/ubuntu-12.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso http://ftp.is.co.za/linux/distributions/ubuntu/releases/precise/ubuntu-12.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso [11:54] -q == quiet [11:55] mazal: ^^ [11:55] -c (try to continue) [11:55] mazal: You could probably also do "cd ~/downloads && wget ..." [11:55] ^^ [11:55] Q for the networking xperts :) T2TP connection up on ppp0 with fixed IP assigned a.b.c.d. From the lan side i can enter a.b.c.d in browser and apache responds but from internet side i get time-out. tcp dump on ppp0 shows tcp traffic reaching ppp0 but i think traffic not returning back to ppp0 [11:55] L2TP [11:56] Kilos: did you notice who is back? [11:56] wb cocooncrash where you been [11:56] Kilos: Back from California for a few weeks [11:56] even andrewlsd has been very quiet [11:57] nice to see you guys! [11:57] well wb we missed you [11:57] :) [11:58] lol [12:03] hi Tonberry [12:03] other one too [12:05] DeonP, why dont you have simple probs [12:06] my life is never simple lol [12:06] looks like [12:07] everyone else gets told man this or that [12:07] i dont think man pages even know what you are trying to do [12:08] inetpro, wheres man for that? [12:08] DeonP: try asking at #glug.za [12:09] ty will try [12:12] cocooncrash, nice idea thanx , didn't think about that one [12:12] Or I could even first line cd ~/Downloads and second line wget........ [12:12] It's will be a script running [12:17] Oom Kilos , how do you do updates with the at command ? [12:17] One needs sudo [12:18] i think i just used the command [12:18] sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade [12:19] And the password ? [12:19] Where does that go ? [12:19] Or you run it in root mode ? [12:19] doesnt it run without a password with at? [12:19] i dunno [12:19] I don't know , that's why I'm asking [12:19] the pro will know [12:20] or say man at [12:20] hehe [12:20] Would also like to do updates after midnight [12:20] Ag nee man , man is useless , ek hou nie van man nie man !!! [12:20] lol [12:21] * mazal grabs a stick and wacks man until man is no man no more [12:22] Maaz, google how to use at to do update/upgrades on ubuntu [12:22] Kilos: "Upgrading - Official Ubuntu Documentation" https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/installing-upgrading.html :: "AptGet/Howto - Community Ubuntu Documentation" https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGet/Howto :: "Automatic Security Updates - Official Ubuntu Documentation" https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticSecurityUpdates :: "How do I update Ubuntu [12:22] Linux softwares? - nixCraft" http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/how-do-i-update-ubuntu-linux-soft… [12:22] ai1 [12:23] Neeman oom Kilos , jy't dit al gedoen , leer my [12:23] Maaz, google using the at command to update in the future [12:23] Kilos: "War Balloon Talks About Future 'Star Command' Updates | Touch ..." http://toucharcade.com/2013/05/21/war-balloon-talks-about-future-star-command-updates/ :: "CVS--Concurrent Versions System - Guide to CVS commands - Blank" http://www.thathost.com/wincvs-howto/cvsdoc/cvs_16.html :: "Reference manual for CVS commands" [12:23] http://www.cs.utah.edu/dept/old/texinfo/cvs/cvs_18.html :: "Command Post of the Future - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://… [12:23] sjoe man dit was maande terug [12:23] hi nocware [12:24] LOL , war balloon lol , mooi maaz [12:24] Kilos sup [12:24] np and there [12:25] No big problem all goof [12:25] Good* [12:25] later all [12:25] later magespawn [12:25] mazal, did you try just with the command [12:26] nope [12:26] it might do it without password [12:27] There is one BIG flaw in at command [12:28] You must write a script first [12:28] Can't just type the command , or I am missing something again [12:29] I get syntex error if I just add a command after the time [12:29] ai! [12:29] set your alarm to wake you at midnight [12:30] -f file Reads the job from file rather than standard input. [12:30] only the pro will know how to do that and he must be kinda busy [12:30] But it doesn't say how must the standard input look **sigh** man pages [12:30] yeah i hate them too [12:31] but some peeps read them like novels [12:31] Without examples a doc is useless [12:33] hehe you gotta read between the lines [12:36] Maaz, inetpro ++ [12:36] oh my [12:36]